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Posted: 12/15/2007 5:00:08 PM | We do have "Charter Schools" a program where privatization of a community school system and the government provides a portion of the tuition for each child. However, most charter schools are not meeting the scores necessary for additional funds and sadly close up shop...
We also have "School of Choice" where families are sending children from the inner city to the suburbs( living with aunts, uncles, adult siblings)... to get some kind of proper education because the inner city schools superintendents are eating up any funds that should go to the education of the children.
Most african american children are getting cultural knowledge from the church communities and inner city programs. | |
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Posted: 12/15/2007 6:07:07 PM | I guess I don't understand whether these schools are race based in terms of admissions as well. I do not agree with race as a basis for admission into any school. Whether it be black only, white only, or Asian only, etc. However, let's not fool ourselves into believing that today's society isn't segregated. People segregate themselves all the time. Neighborhoods are segregated so many schools tend to be. Just because my school wasn't labeled as a white-school doesn't mean that it wasn't. I graduated with over 400 other students, less than 20 of whom were also black. Even fewer were Asian, and even fewer than that were Hispanic. In total less 1/4 of my graduating class was NOT white. Nobody seemed all that concerned that the white students wouldn't know how to function in a multicultural society.
My point is, just because something isn't labeled as white-only doesn't mean that for all intents and purposes that's not what is. Look at churches, sororities/fraternities, clubs, etc. They all seem to divide along racial lines. Yes there are exceptions, but it's not the rule.
And do not forget that when segregation was banned in schools, housing, jobs, etc. many white families moved or sent their children to private schools. My mother grew up in a white collar neighborhood populated mostly by Italians and Jews. Today that neighborhood is almost 100% black (mostly Jamaicans) as are the public schools that serve it. It's not just minorities who have a tendencies toward segregation.
So once again, I ask the question do you truly have a problem with segregation in any form or just the label?
Also, I know plenty of people who majored in Africana/African-American studies while in college and have great jobs. They are social workers, teachers, psychologists, etc. And they deal with all types of people in any of these professions. The demographic they work with is strictly determined by the population of the city they live in. I also know people who went to HBCUs (Historically Black Colleges and Universities). They have gone on to grad school at PWIs (predominantly white institutions) or jobs at prominent Fortune 500 companies. So it does seem as though black students can learn perfectly well in an all-black environment and still be able to integrate into a mult-cultural workforce. What many tend to forget is it's a lot more difficult for minorities to avoid interacting with the majority than vice versa. | |
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Posted: 12/15/2007 6:16:13 PM | Once again, just because something isn't called White Only, doesn't mean that it's not. I could be wrong but I don't see too many black country artists being recognized at the CMA awards year in and year out. That could also be because the country music industry is pretty much white only. Just like there are very few successful white people (beyond record execs) in the rap/hip-hop industry. People who have crossed those racial boundaries in terms of music are often marginalized (with a couple of exceptions like Eminem).
The reason for black music awards or hispanic music awards is because often the mainstream venues do NOT recognize black and hispanic musicians. That's been changing a lot in the last 2 decades, but it's still a work in progress.
Look at the Academy Awards for example. How long did it take for a black woman to win a Best Actress Oscar? From 1929-2002. You're telling me in that period of time, even over 30 years after the passing of the Civil Rights Bill, that not a single black actress was deserving of the award? I can count on my hand how many were nominated. It's only been in the last 5 years that black actors have been consistently recognized by the Academy. So if the "mainstream" won't recognize your accomplishments, you've got two choices. You can either sit around and be bummed out about it and complain until someone notices you, or you can notice your damn self. And that's what programs like the NAACP Image awards do. I have yet to see an Hispanic win the top prize at these Academy Awards. And don't get me started about how few Asian actors/actresses are even nominated. | |
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Posted: 12/15/2007 10:12:16 PM |
the inner city schools superintendents are eating up any funds that should go to the education of the children.
Are you serious??
Look at the Academy Awards for example. How long did it take for a black woman to win a Best Actress Oscar? From 1929-2002. You're telling me in that period of time, even over 30 years after the passing of the Civil Rights Bill, that not a single black actress was deserving of the award?
Consider the percentage of white actors to black actors, though. The odds are much higher that a white person is going to get it just based on the ratio.
That said, I never pay attention to the awards so I can't say one way or the other if I felt anyone had lost or not been nominated because of their skin color. | |
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Posted: 12/15/2007 11:11:40 PM |
Consider the percentage of white actors to black actors, though. The odds are much higher that a white person is going to get it just based on the ratio.
That said, I never pay attention to the awards so I can't say one way or the other if I felt anyone had lost or not been nominated because of their skin color.
I'm not suggesting that people won or lost based on their skin color. What I'm talking about is representation. In the U.S. blacks make up almost 13% of the population, yet are very underrepresented in many areas (and over represented in others). Up until 5 years ago we were underrepresented when it came to top acting prizes. And while there are more white actors in Hollywood than black, 0% recognition doesn't fit any ratio. My point was that if the mainstream awards shows (or since this thread is about schools) do not recognize the achievements of blacks or other minorities in the creative arts, it's only natural that they would create their own awards. So once again I ask...is the problem with anything that focuses on blacks (or any minority group) the focus or the label. Because as I've said before just because something lacks a label doesn't mean that it isn't segregated. | |
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Posted: 12/16/2007 2:10:35 AM | So once again, I ask the question do you truly have a problem with segregation in any form or just the label?
In grade 7 I attended a school where both male and female students took 1/2 semester of Home Ecomonics and 1/2 semester Woodworking. I excelled in Woodworking and looked forward to enrolling in the class for a complete semester the following year.
But my family moved, and my new school refused to allow girls to take Woodworking.
Only boys could take Woodworking-- girls were forced to learn Home Ec.
I cried and begged my mother to petition the school to let me join the "boys-only" class but she refused.
I hated baking/sewing and had failed miserably, yet had received straight A's in Woodworking and was more talented than many of the male students.
I dreamed of making cabinets and furniture...not quiche.
I was also unable to enroll in Woodworking classes in high school and begrudgingly accepted my position and learned how to cook, clean and successfully iron pleats.
I truly believe that segregation squashed my dreams and altered my life.
Had I been able to pursue my interests I might have become a skilled craftsman...er, woman.
Instead I now work in a predominantly female profession, over-worked and underpaid, and have to hire men to do simple home repairs since I lack the necessary skills.
So yes, because of my experience I do have a problem with any form of enforced segregation.
Ok, so no one will be forcing black kids to attend the proposed "black-focus" school but I'm sure that they'll be encouraged to do so. I agree that people have a tendency to separate themselves based on age, race, religion, and gender. Birds of a feather stick together and sooner or later we could end up with separate schools.
What will happen if the "at risk" black males don't succeed in this environment? Then what?
Will the standards be lowered? | |
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Posted: 12/16/2007 1:03:00 PM |
I'm not suggesting that people won or lost based on their skin color. What I'm talking about is representation. In the U.S. blacks make up almost 13% of the population, yet are very underrepresented in many areas (and over represented in others). Up until 5 years ago we were underrepresented when it came to top acting prizes. And while there are more white actors in Hollywood than black, 0% recognition doesn't fit any ratio. My point was that if the mainstream awards shows (or since this thread is about schools) do not recognize the achievements of blacks or other minorities in the creative arts, it's only natural that they would create their own awards.
With all due respect, I disagree. If race isn't an issue then the best man wins. Generally speaking, instead of creating your own Class B category of the same thing, why not encourage more involvement in the original thing?
If Hollywood was 80% black, odds are black people would be winning most of the awards. If a school is 80% black, odds are black kids are going to have top honors. Creating your own just encourages segregation. I'm not saying conform, I'm saying consort. | |
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Posted: 12/16/2007 2:54:46 PM | When people are shut out (whether legally or by longstanding practice), consorting really isn't possible. When you aren't allowed to go to certain schools, you start your own. When no matter how well you do in a particular area, the establishment doesn't recognize you, you recognize yourself. When all of a sudden the people who shunned you for years decide that they'll let you in a little bit, then you're supposed to drop everything you've created for yourself and be happy they threw you a bone? Yeah right.
If that's your philosophy, maybe we should get rid of girls' sports teams and encourage them to consort with the boys in basketball, soccer, gymnastics, etc. Instead of creating their own Class B category, let's get them more involved in the original thing. | |
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Posted: 12/17/2007 4:34:11 AM | | This seems like a bad idea to me. How are schools funded in Canada ? I fear that a "black" school would not recieve equal funding. | |
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Posted: 12/17/2007 11:52:54 AM | That is a legitimate concern.
In Ontario schools are ranked by provincial (EQAO) test scores and grade 10 literacy exams.
Oddly enough, schools that rank highest receive the most funding.
Schools that really need funding to improve their programs, hire more staff, or upgrade their facilities are often ignored.
Social and economic factors effect each individual school district.
Students from low-income areas may not have many resources available to them at home.
Many students arrive at school hungry, improperly dressed, and lacking proper health care.
Some schools have sponsored breakfast and lunch programs, dental clinics, and after-school care for 'latch-key' kids who'd otherwise be home alone until their parent(s) return from work.
Obviously schools that serve a high population of 'disadvanted youth' have issues that other institutions aren't confronted with.
Let's face it---we are not talking about building a school in the wealthy subsurbs to enhance the education of black students who are already succeeding within the system.
The proposed "black focus" school would serve an area that is already infested with poverty, drugs, gangs, and crime.
The school's target audience is "at risk" black teens who currently have a 40% drop-out rate.
Unless this school can perform exceptionally well, chances are that it won't receive a large chunk of provincial funding. | |
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Posted: 12/31/2007 5:33:27 AM | | As I said earlier. Without parental support and making the kids responsible for their actions the focus isn't the issue. Black focus, white focus, it's still school. They still have to go and it's still law that the parents are responsible. The drop out rate isn't likely to change without an attitude change of the care givers of these teens. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2008 2:19:08 PM | | I don't know, but there certainly wasn't much "black" history done in my high school.....Have things changed? | |
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Posted: 1/5/2008 3:02:30 PM | It sounds like a black only school but other c hildren are more than welcome. I think the teachers, the majority would be black otherwise the school is open to any child who wishes to learn.
More focus would be placed on black history and the contributions that are made by blacks to society on a whole that is not included in regular texts. Why they choose to make it seem as if the school will only be for black kids baffle me, but I know that in school I would have loved to learn more about my roots in , the way I did about every other culture.
There was a couple town hall meetings on this issue, I wish more people had attended they would have realized this.
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Posted: 2/2/2008 8:14:23 PM | In Central Arkansas, Jacksonville has separate Boys and Girls Middle Schools, although they are basically on the same extra large campus.
The boys and girls mix before school and in a few electives. But all the core subjects are all in single sex classes.
As for separate by race, 15 years ago a lovely Sister, then in her late middle-ages, said something very profound about kids acting up in schools. She said that when black and white teachers were teaching in separate race schools, the black teachers didn't put up with any gruff and messes from the kids, spanking them with a thick paddle and other punishments without having to worry about offending no liberal whites . And the kids knew when they got home, they would be disciplined by their parents.
Now, you have so many young inmature parents who think their kids can do now wrong in school!
In San Antonio and other Texas cities, you have a lot of schools that are 90 to 100 percent Hispanic in various area. Don't know if you can call that a focus or not.
In Central Arkansas, to get whites into the majority black schools, they have a lot of MAGNET schools with special emphasis and focus on certain areas, depending upon the School. The teachers are suppose to tie in and give special emphasis to what ever the Magnet school advertises. The magnets start at elementary level and go up to high school, with more optional electives in theme area than in a regular school. North Pulaski High School runs its own restaurant with students cooking and serving meals. | |
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Posted: 2/2/2008 10:47:02 PM | Here in the UK, there has been some talk about establishing Black Only Schools, and as a Black Man and as a Teacher too, I have to say that I champion this idea.
There are many "faith" schools here in the UK that may as well be "racial" Schools to be honest. So if it's good enough for them, then why not for us?
Also, just as I'm sure in the States, Black school children are underperforming badly in mainstream education. One shocking study here, has shown that Black children actually do quite well in Primary education (before the age of 11), but as soon as they go on to Secondary education (post 11 to 16 years) they drastically fall well behind their peers.
The situation IS complex however and I for one would not simply blame the school or institutional racism (even though that does exist... I've seen it with my own eyes). It's a whole host of reasons, both internal and external to the school. And I'd say that key issues would have to lie within the household, the streets and also mass media. I.e., if we're going to compare the impact of external factors verses the impact of internal factors within a particular school, then the external factors play a HUGE role.
I've been teaching for thirteen years now and have come to the conclusion that a lot of non-Black teachers don't really have an understanding on these external problems that a lot of Black children face. I believe that many of these children need positive role models (especially those that have absent fathers) and being educated in a Black environment with Black teachers, would serve that vital role.
Anyway, I could go on and on about this issue (I've only just scratched the surface... But it's late and I need sleep LOL!), but yeah, Black schools are vital if we're ever going to tackle the problems of Black children underachieving.
Also remember, such underachievement has HUGE implications for the greater society at large. The benefits of such schools may go a LOT further than you think. | |
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Posted: 2/3/2008 9:15:30 PM | its truly amazing that after finally getting rid of slavery and segregation some people want back inot the pit of cultural segregation again
what havent these people learned from past mistakes??
i guess we truly do get dumber as a race seeing as we keep trying to fall back into old patterns
the world doesnt need more divisions
whether your black green orange pink purple or mauve you are still a human being
breaking up and segregating people according to merely physical appearance is the stupidest thing we could possibly do.it is also pretty immature and childish
the whole ideology behind this is because someone thinks history isnt being taught correctly
maybe we need to start refocussing and get the teachers and book makers to prove what is written in textbooks before introducing it to our children as fact
this isnt a matter of culturally biased it is historically biased education that is being misused.
when i went to school there werent alot of black or oriental people in the school system, as a result i never truly learned to meet or asssociate with these people, i grew up hearing stories and misrepresentations about these cultures and in turn had noone to seek the truth from
as the only apparent intelligent race on this earth we owe it to ourselves and the future of our kind tomingle and grow together , from babies to grandparents we all need eachother .
by splitting us up into different colored piles , we merely hilight the divisions and differences between us
in the end war and misunderstandings are goin to become even more prevalent as we set our focus now on seeing the differences that divide us , rather than learning and holding firm to our similarities and our true brotherhood.
its easy to look at the differences in the world right now and see how they always end in death and distrust
religious differences
class systems
racial issues
people that think they are more intelligent
rich people
poor people
colors
cultures
in order for us to grow as a race we need to stop focussing on these thing and true equality will come naturally.
canada is multicultural,not mutiracial
and in turn school systems should teach children the facts only
if we wish to learn about different cultures maybe schools could have cultural classes for anyone wishing to participate in them
removing black or white orr pink people because they dont fit the proper hue doctrine is sick and perverts the whole idea of education
its diseducation at its worst
go figure this whole concept grew from the most racist country on earth , the usa | |
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Posted: 2/3/2008 9:31:24 PM | | Kind of amazes me that a race of people that have been championing for equal rights and have gotten them, to champion for a black only school is a step back, I see lady posted in an earlier thread about teaching more black kids about the black contribution to society, and I agree there has been alot, but what about the Irish, the Italians, the Polish, the German, and so on. All these folks have contributed to society as much as the black. Give you a lil info about a school that opened here in Philly 3 years ago. It was built by Bill Gates and is called the School Of The Future, every child enrolled gets a Lap Top, and a desk top for home, they have no books, everything is done via computer, but in order to get in this school, guess what you have to be black, and this school is also aided by tax payer money, so tell me is that fair ? | |
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Posted: 2/4/2008 12:15:42 AM | | i didnt learn a damn thing about black history seems a shame that a black child would have to sit in class and only learn about white history,doesnt it? i HIGHLY doubt they will be teaching black supremacy classes i believe the objective is to educate children in their own culture...how is that bad? | |
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Posted: 2/4/2008 2:57:54 AM | AncientCelt Says: Bill Gates and is called the School Of The Future, every child enrolled gets a Lap Top, and a desk top for home, they have no books, everything is done via computer, but in order to get in this school, guess what you have to be black, and this school is also aided by tax payer money, so tell me is that fair ?
Others who are reading this; AncientCelt is misrepresenting the truth. The real truth here is that this school is located in the black community and whites are welcome, it's just that whites don't want to go into the black community to get to these schools, it's not that they are kept out, it's that they don't want to go into these communities to get to the schools. | |
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Posted: 2/4/2008 4:14:46 AM | | I dont know where most of you people been in the past 20 years but there are schools all across the U.S. they are called afro-centric,and no you just cant send your child there they are put into a lottery and selected and they are not just for blacks. | |
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Posted: 2/4/2008 2:41:38 PM | ^^yes that in the united states
this is canada
our country wasnt founded on slavery and civil wars
and we shouldnt b pushed down that path by yanky racists pushing their agendas down our throat
canada is a country happy to have avoided that sickness tyvm and the people here would like to keep it that way
we dont need ghettos set up to pander to certain groups hand picked by certain ethno racists and separatists
we have enough of them currently in quebec
the different coloured people in this country are canadians
they are now part of a diverse culture not a singular one
as in all multi cultural societies the education system becomesa bit blurred
however everyone whites red pinks ets all are fed the same propaganda in schools sothe field is lvld as far as the education goes
if you want to have certain educational ideas changed u must do the legwork and get it updated
there is absolutley nothing to be gained by teaching one group of people 1+1=2 and a different group that 1+1= 3
this is just another way for some group to squeeze canadian taxpayers to feed their own personal agendas. | |
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Posted: 2/4/2008 5:01:58 PM | | trubblemakr, yeah, ok; See how rightous you canadians become when your members of different races choose to date and marry. See, how high & mighty you canadians become then. | |
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Posted: 2/4/2008 5:50:45 PM | | it wont foster racisim as long as sufficient time is spent on abolitionists roles and the multicultural support of the civil rights movement. | |
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Posted: 2/4/2008 7:33:07 PM | "i believe the objective is to educate children in their own culture...how is that bad?"
....the thing is, I think that non-black students that are having difficulties with school will be able to enter this school....and so i believe this statement is NOT racist in that sense IF only BLACK students were only able to enter this school.
But what most people aren't talking about is that this problem WAS solved awhile back I did a paper on this and used a crapload of research to back up my argument:
The solution to the problem of disadvantaged children dropping out at higher rates than the provincial average has already been solved. The solution of course, was not racial, religious or cultural segregation. The solution was to address the root causes - poor role models, lack of parent time and skills to provide support etc. The program was successfully implemented in Regent Park and resulted in the dropout rate going from over 50% to 10%. The provicial average is 25%.
The program involved the community, public and private sector resources to provide mentoring and support to the students, 80% of whom went on to some form of post-secondary education. A few weeks after the report of the success of the program appeared in the Globe, another report stated that the Ministry of Education would not confirm that funding would continue, due to other, higher priorities. That of course prompts the question, what could be a higher priority?
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...I think this issue is a great debate topic...because this will be setting a precedent for the downfall of public education.....too bad the idea of this kind of school is a BAD idea.
Lumping all "blacks" into one category is racist unto itself.
let's keep it going. | |
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Posted: 2/4/2008 7:58:12 PM | ...oh yes, it's also funny how the media / school boards / ministry of education are not putting any ONUS on the responsibilities of parents anymore...since when was it the responsibility of the school to teach children the BASIC difference between right and wrong...and to instill BASIC good morals...?
...when did it become ok, that teachers of the same colour as their students is the ONLY way of having these students succeed?
Man , i hope that a whole bunch of "white" teachers get hired at this new school...and we'll see the fireworks....I wanna see the racist black parents will say, "only black teachers can teach about black history".....and then it'll become a a circus in the media about the school board's hiring practises being RACIST....I wonder if any white teacher would be able to sue.?? And I also wonder how many black teachers in the next year hired on to fill these new positions, since there's plenty of factual evidence that there aren't many black teachers teaching at a high school level in the last 10 years at the TDSB anyways???
A "black" - focused school isn't going to help "black" students feel better about themselves or curb whatever disadvantages that they may have...the Public schools already have had special programs in place for ALL students that are disadvantaged....
And can anyone tell me the last time that English, Math, Science, Physics, Music could be primarily taught in an Afro Centric way?
Get Real. I'm a visible minority and this type of judgement makes me sick and makes us look bad as a city as well as a country who's motto is : multiculturalism.
But you know what? I guess I shouldn't pass judgment on the future effects that this will have in Toronto. Let's give the black students this opportunity and see how they do....who knows, maybe this new school will surprise us. | |
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