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Posted: 2/4/2008 10:06:09 PM |
The idea behind a "black focus" school is to specialize in black History and cultural identity. Supporters of this idea hope to lower the highschool drop-out rate of teens in this ethnic group by giving them a specialized cirriculum. It seems to me that opinions on the best way to deal with a group that has a minority status changes with each generation. At one point, there's talk of inclusion, then at different points there ends up being talk of exclusion being the answer. I'm not sure I'm entirely convinced that this is the answer. Are there any case studies?
I'm concerned about more separation. Maybe a better answer would be the change the history curriculum to be equal in how much time is given to minorities and women and Caucasian? Some things that are taught seem to be frivolous knowledge that can be thrown out. For example, I don't see where knowing the names of Columbus' ships has taught me anything beyond the fact that I'm able to remember a useless fact for 30 years. Granted, I'm assuming that the curriculum has changed since the 70's.
I grew up in an area that kept itself pretty separate from all things not white Christian. Growing up in that area was actually a huge detriment to me rather than a help. The focus ended up on external factors rather than internal factors, such as the character of people. Ever since leaving that area, I've went from one learning experience to the next about the real world, real cultures, and real people with quality of character to relate to rather than any other factor. If I ever have kids, I actually DON'T want them in a non-mixed classroom. I would want my kids to learn how to play with children of other cultures and see them just as other kids like them.
I see a lot of focus in general today being placed on making kids decide a focus at younger and younger ages. Some high schools require a "major." I know if I was forced to stick with the same things I said I wanted as a child, I'd be miserable right now. Doing away with the Renaissance style education that has a wide variety of subjects I think will turn society more towards being a society of drones. People will be indoctrinated earlier into one mind set with fewer opportunities to learn, change, or grow later in life.
Rather than creating another school, I think we should invest more time and money into the schools we have where the children need help. I think it tends to be more of the inner city schools. It seems pretty dumb that the government started basing how much money a school gets by the performance of students, because it's actually the schools with the low performance that need the most assistance. It's frustrating. Only some kids are going to get to go to the African focus schools, and then the rest are left at the inner city schools still, and with even less money than before. What will a kid do once they realize that even those of their own culture left them behind?
Maybe a better solution would be to end ALL specialized schools and to make everyone have to get along in the same school, but then have after school programs that have a focus for those parents who want their kids to have some additional focus, like on their religion, or culture, or whatever it may be??
If there are studies though showing that an African focus school would really help, then maybe we should dissolve the public schools that fail to provide what they need to if there are private schools in the area that can pick up those students? Then we're not spreading the already limited money even more. | |
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Posted: 2/5/2008 2:50:56 AM |
are u for real??
do u have a single clue as to what makes a race, a race?
there is only one RACE of people on this earth and that is human race.
the only differences apart from that are cultural and perhaps physical.
javan apart from your obvious dislike for the treatment ,perhaps you or your fellow cultural members have had to endure at the hands of the oppresors. i and a vast majority of my fellow canadians havent mistreated or cause u any personal grief. brown people in the past escaped the oppression and persecution pushed on them by the american dictators.
in my opinion regardless of your color or thnicity , you are a man when u handle your business and treat your family #1. you work and support the children u bring into this world andyou cherish your wife/girlfriend
apart from that i dont care if you are green skinned and 3 eyed
canada isnt a racist country and wasnt founded on the principles of slavery and oppression of minorities
and to see the sickness of american oppression being pushed across our borders to segregate and alienate a group of different colored people is just a sad state of affairs
as canadians we should all oppose and boot these deranged racists back across the border where they came from
these people plant the seeds of terrorism and hate thru these semi acceptable ideas. the end picture tho is clear. all cultures will want to separate and be separate from the whole.
if thats what certain people want , then i say we send them to the country of their choice , where in turn they can fully integrate into that culture, because in the end canada is multicultural and as such , all cultures must blend and accept one another
and live in peace .
bigotry can only be destroyed when all people learn to accept one another and learn to relish in our differences
the greatest people in history have said the same thing , in different words.ie
we hold these things to be self evident, that all men were created equal
try to live your life according to the words of that great man that stood up againt oppression and voiced those words for all man, not just browns or whites or reds
mankind is the race . everthing else is just a distraction | |
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Posted: 2/5/2008 3:10:29 AM | This is an absolutely ridiculous idea. and speaks to the victimization syndrome... These kids are victims because the school system is not serving their needs ?!?!?!.. Horsecrap.
Schools should teach the 3 r's first... Reading, 'riting and 'rithmetic . These area essential. If the kids are not learning the basics, they'll never become tomorrows scientists, teachers, doctors, engineers. Get the 3 r's down and them move to the arts, music, etc. | |
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Posted: 2/5/2008 3:14:27 AM |
bigotry can only be destroyed when all people learn to accept one another and learn to relish in our differences
I have always wondered why people make remarks like this, while making bigoted anti-american statements about us because of our history. | |
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Posted: 2/5/2008 3:47:37 PM | it isnt bigotted if it is factual . sorry but even today mainstream american propaganda pushes ideas about muslims, iraquis etc as subhumans
in th 60s it was the evil vietnamese and the further back u got the more cultures it has attacked and degraded
this isnt a past error that is being rehashed upon the united states it is current and has always been a mainstay of that countries governmental sytem
the united states has always considered itself above the rest of the world ie manifest destiny etc
dont try to push your ideas on civil countries ,
the united states also doesnt speak for all north america. it merely speaks for itself and it is a very tiny part of north america.
truth always hurts. try to gro and learn from it tho
they say that if you fail to learn from the past, you will make the same errors again
apparently someone isnt learning from past mistakes and errors are being redone | |
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Posted: 2/5/2008 4:35:28 PM | | Come on troublemaker. Yes, the US is full of racism. We speak our minds, thats how the world knows about it. We have internet friends in Canada. We know the truth. Canadians may not publicly speak of it as we do, but racism is there. If it wasn't, why would ya'll need hate crime laws or black only schools. Thanks for a good laugh. | |
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Posted: 2/5/2008 6:13:20 PM | {Yes, the US is full of racism. We speak our"Small" minds}
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i agree so are u trying to debunk my arguement or agree with it? so far u seem to not like the messenger but agree with the message , so where is the arguement?
do u think by segregating the brown ppl into brown only schools that this will in some way reduce cultural bigotry?
what exactly is your arguement anyways?
i think the only laugh so far is on the people supporting this stupid idea, as it truly shows how small minded they truly are | |
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Posted: 2/6/2008 2:28:56 AM | Actually, I see it both ways. If the black kids are having trouble, why not use a black only school to help them become more successful. I had never heard of a black only school until a few months ago, but I read the schools here in the USA, Milwaukee, have been successful.I honestly cant find much information on them.But I also see how it could create problems. It will further divide us, and if kids are raised in a special cultured school, they may have problems dealing in the real world.I also believe that any kind of cultured school should be private, unless all special cultured schools are public.
We speak our"Small" minds}
When you say we, that means you are speaking of Canadians and yourself.I would not say ya'll have small minds.If you are referring to Americans, that is a bigoted statement, and yet, you complain about bigotry.Thats was my argument. | |
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Posted: 2/6/2008 8:54:22 AM | The whole concept is distressing. They are basing the need for afrocentric schools on the presumtion of institutional racism in the shcool system. They are also using Black on Black violence as a reason for the need of such schools. Heres the problems as I see them,they are sending the "Black" children the message that they don't do well or succeed because "Whites"' are racist. They are also sending the message that "Whites" don't care about the welfare of "Blacks" or that"Blacks"are killing each other. This is many steps in the wrong direction. It will create a whole generation of Blacks who will not feel the need to assimilate and will be indoctrinated in the belief that all Whites are racist.If we allow Black only schools then every other group should be allowed the same rights, that would be awesome then noone would ever have to interact with anyone else who wasn't like them....
Will these schools still be subjected to the same testing as other students or will new tests(basic skills tests) be created to insure that these new schools are "sucessful"?
A related thought, why is it that we all live in the same culture have access to the same schools and educational opportunities when a segment of our society fails the system and tests are labeled as culturally biased. Where is the cultural relevance that accounts for failure? All students have equal access to the information on which they are tested...
do u have a single clue as to what makes a race, a race?
there is only one RACE of people on this earth and that is human race The whole argument about "race" comes down to semantics ... | |
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Posted: 2/6/2008 9:13:56 AM | O-BOY.!....... Where do I sign up?
I 've always loved dark chockolate.!!!
I do wonder what the benifit of such a school could be..
Are the teaching those kids to hate whites? | |
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Posted: 2/6/2008 9:33:07 AM | | Ummm is this really news to any of you? they already have black only schools and it's not a punishment to go there. Now on the other hand... try starting up a whites only school and see how many bus loads of Jessie Jacksons come raining down on you. I think it is total BS to allow any school to say what color you can be to get in. Just as it is BS to have a black college fund and not allow a deserving white or latino child to have a shot at an education. to seperate is never going to get anyone ahead. whats fair for one race should be fair for all. Period! | |
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Posted: 2/6/2008 12:24:20 PM | It's a 'black focused' alternative school geared towards addressing the needs of black students who have a 40% drop out rate. The school will be opened to all who wish to attend, though I doubt that many white parents will be rushing to register their kids there.
I'm curious as to why there was so much opposition to opening this school, when there is the Triangle Program, which is a school that addresses the needs of Lesbian, Gays & Transgender students!
Anyway, bravo to the Toronto School Board......looks like it's a done deal!
Board okays black-focused school
Jan 30, 2008 12:58 AM
The black-focused school is a go.
After a heated but civil debate, Canada's largest school board voted 11-9 last night to open an alternative Africentric school to help fight a 40 per cent dropout rate among Toronto's black teens.
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/298714 | |
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Posted: 2/7/2008 9:12:34 AM | | I am not sure how it is in Toronto or other parts of Canada, but in many parts of the US, public schools have basically reverted back to where they were before the anti-segregation and bussing laws took effect. And a lot of that has happened because those laws were rolled back. And interestingly, it wasn't the unavailability of good schools that created this after the rollbacks, but by the community school choice approach. For example, where I grew up in Boston, and here where I live in Ohio, many schools were definitely segregated by race and income. Poor, majority black areas of the city had run down schools that were 95-100% black and 95-100% poor. Other areas, more affluent and more white, showed in their neighborhood schools. In the 70s, the bussing laws took effect, and they actually did do what they were supposed to do, even though, of course, many people did not like this idea (putting it lightly..Boston actually had a lot of civil unrest and even rioting due to these laws). So gradually, parents accepted this to an extent, especially in the K-5 and 6-8 schools though high schools are where the main hotbed of protest took root. Well here come the 90s..and after 10-15 years of protests, the bussing laws were gradually repealed. So did we go back to the very unequal way it was before. Nope..we offered parents and students 'choice' of school. Which resulted in..like wanting to be with like. Now, the schools that were majority black or majority white like in the 70s..are again, but this time, it is all by choice. And while funding for all schools attempted equality during the Clinton years, that is now reverting to the pre-1970s as well. Since a lot of federal and state funding is based on test scores because of NCLB (and here in Ohio, the archaic school funding system based on property taxes..use deductive reasoning and think what that means for inner city areas..), those schools, are once again, impoverished and segregated. We Americans seem to love choiced and options..but sometimes, maybe that isn't the best is it? | |
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Posted: 2/7/2008 9:50:16 AM | Its sad that "race" is still the negative force in societies today. Its ironic that one of the most important institutions needed to combat the negativity actually must compromise real education to even attempt to do its job. In a multi cultural nation(even a nation that is NOT multicultural) representation of various cutural groups must be fairly presented in education. this is obviously relevant in literature, arts and history(and other social sciences). Those are the areas in which there is or can be a "focus". A focus is ONLY needed when there is and/or has been a VOID or misrepresentation/underrepresentation. The "focus" concept is NOT new; its NOT de visive it simply focuses. There have been schools that focus on arts, sciences,industry even gender(although gender "focus "schools are almost always private).
The problem is that there is still a need for a focus school on misrepresented cultural groups that make up significant portions of a nation. IF, the curriculum is already multi cultural adequately there would NOT be a need for schools that have that "focus". I have found that the 2 Canadian curriculums I have reviewed are sorely lacking and misrepresentative of cultural "minorities" in Canada.
A part of the fore mentioned problem of need is that so many still think and believe in the concept of "race' even in the field that is responsible for fighting ignorance.....education. therefore adult fools see these things as 'racial' issues and not cultural issues that are important to the healthy strengthening of a nation. An educational system that supports ignorance is a system that ultimately continues a mechanism that weakens a nation.
I ran a private school that had a focus on CHRISTIAN education. Most of the students were African American,Latino or Native American. I changed the curriculum to fit my students cultural needs. In a nation in which they were the cultural minority and underrepresented when not misrepresented in the media and in other areas, I felt it Imperative to do what any VALUABLE educational system must...STRENGTHEN THEM. I felt it imperative to make sure they had food to strengthen their bodies, spiritual food to strengthen their spirits; cultural food to strengthen their communities and sense of self and well being ...beginning with knowledge of self; academic food to strengthen their minds and foster tools to lift up their nation. Some may call this a "focus" school. I suppose in a sense it is.....focus on doing something to help children have the tools to BEST help themselves once they become adults. Others may use the term specialty school...it is......the specialty is on allowing children to see how special they are.
As I see it, the educational system being caught up in ignorances many adults carry had to compomise from instituting a better more comprehensve multi culltural or TRUE curriculum throughout the educational system and instead have a "focus school".Shame that there is still a need, but there is. I applaude them for trying to do SOMETHING positive.  | |
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Posted: 2/9/2008 3:25:01 AM | | Attendance at this type of school will be a matter of choice, not force. While all people are equal they are not the same, different students have different needs and intrests. Expanding the educational options made availible to parents for the education of their children does not seem to me to be a bad thing. As other posters have mentioned, we currently have schools that offer different choices ( Catholic, Islamic, Gifted, Acedemic, Vocational etc). I fail to understand the hoopla regarding the creation of an Afrocentric school. The other thing that is puzzling is the complete disregard that people have seem to have for other cultures in this country that prides itself on its supposed commitment to diversity. As the child of mixed parentage I would have welcomed the chance to attend such a school. By virtue of growing up in Canada I am well versed in all aspects of Canadian culture. I am surrounded by it when I go to work, go to school, turn on the television or read a newspaper. To gain an understanding and appreciation for the aspects of my cultural background that are not from European roots, I had to make the effort as an adult to seek out information on my own. The teaching materials used in my classrooms reflected the majority of the students, they did not represent me. When other cultures are discussed in classrooms, they are often reduced to the food they eat, dances they perform, music and mythology. It is unfair to expect teachers to be able to address every single cultural background in a class of 30 students in depth and in a meaningful way. By default, teachers and the curriculm in mainstream schools speak to the majority population and try their best to be respectful of others. In a city the size of Toronto, there is a large enough population of students to justify the creation of a school geared more strongly to the commonalities present thoughout the diaspora of "Black" cultures. This is not segragation. Segregation is about the forceful legislated seperation of people. This is a matter of choice. Some parents may choose to send their children to this new school, others will not. Just as some parents send their children to boys schools or girls schools or school with uniforms or Catholic school this is simply one more option. It seems to me that in our country we need to reduce the number of children that fail to graduate high school. If we keep doing the same things we are going to get the same results. If the creation of schools that speak to the needs and intrests of students currently at risk increases the number of graduates I am all for it. And that applies to Jewish schools, Sports, Arts, Academics, Islamic, Boys, Girls, Christian, Islamic, Hindu, First Nations(s) and so on. | |
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Posted: 2/9/2008 3:55:26 AM | I respectfully have to disagree with your perspective . It is true that Canada was not built on the backs of slaves as was the case with our neighbors to the south. That being said, as Canadians we really do need to stop patting ourselves on the backs so much for being more tolerant then Americans. Canadian history is full of incidents of injustice and racism. The Chinese head tax, the moves to stop African -American settlers from entering Alberta and Saskatchewan in the early 1900's, not to mention the historic and ongoing treatment of First Nations(s) people in this country are but a handful of examples. As Canadians we seem to think that so long as we aren't burning crosses on someones front yard that there is no racism here.
As far as the comment about "some group squeez[ing] canadian taxpayers for their own personal agendas," are not the parents of these children Canadian and are they not taxpayers? My parents are taxpayers as am I, yet I don't accuse you of squeezing me for my tax dollars that go toward the creation of a curriculum that benifits white Canadians more than it benefits other Canadians. Isn't the point of education and the tax money earmarked for that purpose intended to provide the best possible educational success for all students? As a citizen of this country I want my tax money to be used in the most effective way possible. If 40% of one group of students is failing to graduate, I don't think we can say these kids and their parents are just bad people. Something else needs to be done because clearly, what we have in place now is not providing the end results I think all Canadians are looking for. Namely, educated people who are able to contribute to our society and become taxpayers themselves. If this school increases the graduation rates of these students and reduces the number who end up in the justice of welfare systems I would call it money well spent. I would rather pay now for 3 or 4 years of high school as opposed to paying for 20 years of incarceration or 60 years of welfare. | |
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Posted: 2/9/2008 4:01:13 AM | | To postulate that Black schools will teach students to hate white people means by default that schools which are predominatly white teach students to hate black people. Utter nonsense. Now I am sure people are going to jump all over me but so be it. Why is it that anytime a minority group seeks to do something for themselves people complain that they are racist or promoting segregation but if those same people keep going with the status quo and fail, people point at them and say they need to try harder or pull themselves up by their bootstraps? Seems to me a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't. | |
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Posted: 2/9/2008 5:03:09 AM | i dont think it teaches anyone to hate anyone
but merely instills separatism and alienation in a society thats sole purpose is to blend all cultures
this country is multicultural. if you want a separate culture then go to that country and b a part of a singular country.
nobody forces anyone to stay here r to become anything more or less than they choose to become.
but, when it comes to pur tax dollars being spent to support or prop up some outdated or defunct culture in a multicultural environment it seems a waste fo resources that could more suitably be spent towards propping up the only true ," persecuted " culture left, that being the poverty stricken culture and the homeless culture
what the ancestors did or did not do , really has no leg to stand on when u put it in context with your starving homeless neighbors.
our resources should b put towards educating all people equally, not some individual group or class of people who may or may not think they have superiority over another,
we already have that happening in quebec and it doesnt help anyone in the long run by hilighting or enabling this cause
canada is multicultural , period ,anyone truly interested in learning more about a certain culture has ample means to do so by visiting a library or surfing the internet, these forms of education should be voluntary not paid for by joe taxpayer or supported by the right wing separatistsic idealists | |
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Posted: 2/9/2008 5:27:37 AM | | Come on everyone, we all know us black people are more racist than whites. I have played the race card many times and got what I wanted by doing it.I dont see anything wrong with a black only school, but I guess I would be offended by a white only school. | |
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Posted: 2/9/2008 5:30:16 AM | I don't know much about Canadian school law - or American 'school law' for that matter ;)
I DO know we have schools here in PA - where the students (and teachers) are 90% black...yes, most are in/near the city area's but the point remains -
{the actual figures are between 87% - 90%) for some.
If (this) law is inacted, will there be 'WHITE ONLY' schools? If so, go for it. May help both sides.
Finally, here in PA, even though a city school is 80+% black, the revenue collected to FUND these schools comes from - the homeowner property taxes, which continue to escalate. The very large majority of these tax paying homeowners (at least 70% last check) are paying for 'these schools'...
So I would say - if the black community wants their 'own / all black' schools, we do this.
Each ethnicty funds their own schools :)  | |
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Posted: 2/9/2008 5:44:20 AM | I have no problem with having black schools in canada 
hope to have sum with mixed race attending a black school at least.....lol
get to know their culture as well as i learned about other cultures.
We(aborigionals) accept other race dat comes thru our school doors, dont matter what color you are, as long as your human... | |
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Posted: 2/9/2008 6:02:52 AM |
We have internet friends in Canada. We know the truth. Canadians may not publicly speak of it as we do, but racism is there. If it wasn't, why would ya'll need hate crime laws or black only schools. Thanks for a good laugh.
It's a 'black focused' alternative school geared towards addressing the needs of black students who have a 40% drop out rate. The school will be opened to all who wish to attend, though I doubt that many white parents will be rushing to register their kids there.
I'm curious as to why there was so much opposition to opening this school, when there is the Triangle Program, which is a school that addresses the needs of Lesbian, Gays & Transgender students!
It is true that Canada was not built on the backs of slaves as was the case with our neighbors to the south. That being said, as Canadians we really do need to stop patting ourselves on the backs so much for being more tolerant then Americans. Canadian history is full of incidents of injustice and racism. The Chinese head tax, the moves to stop African -American settlers from entering Alberta and Saskatchewan in the early 1900's, not to mention the historic and ongoing treatment of First Nations(s) people in this country are but a handful of examples. As Canadians we seem to think that so long as we aren't burning crosses on someones front yard that there is no racism here.
Above are some of the postings that caught my attention. I have been in Canada for 8 yrs, worked with Canadians for the past twenty seven yrs and have actually been told in all seriousness by a Canadian that Canadian whites are extremely racist but they are a silent majority.......... This being is they will pretend the most to be not racist...... but you will not get past the barriers they have put up to keep you separated and in the low order that they think you should not exceed beyond..........unless they need some color as a token....... Hopefully, in the future that will change......
I am encouraged in this in the form of my son..........He has friends of all races......they all talk about racism.......I instill in him the importance of not becoming white-washed and to appreciate people for who they are and not for color...... I would not want him focussed on having a "white" girlfriend and would be concerned if the only people he was attracted to were of different ethnicity from him........so far he has told me that:
"RACISM IS JUST FOR YOU OLDER PEOPLE.....WE DONT HAVE TIME FOR THAT"
I know that my son, in the future, will be someone to be reckoned with if anyone tries to stop his progress in life because of his skin color because he feels he has no bounderies and his friends and school mates..........orientals, blacks, whites, middle easterns and mixed all feel the same way.
I honestly think this next Generation is going to be so much smarter than us "oldtimer" who use color to separate and to make ourselves feel superior and cover our weaknesses................
I find in our Generation people need someone's back to step on to climb on to achieve.......Because of some defect in people's mind, it is somehow easier to dislike someone based on their skin color because they do not have the smarts to go beyond that and then other people who are nearer in color the the whites who feel like that...... follow...............trying to make themselves more acceptable to the side that they feel are more in control.
I have a Great deal of respect for the USA. Regardless of how racist they are perceived to be............ so many People of color could never have reach as far as they have done in Canada....... JMHO | |
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Posted: 2/9/2008 6:05:28 AM | | In saying all of the above........Just like they have had to put schools focussed on black children in all the most racist states in America..........it is telling that there is a need for it in Canada.................that's all I am thinking here............... | |
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Posted: 2/9/2008 7:49:36 AM | If you are referring to Americans, that is a bigoted statement,
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just for clarification here, americans are "not" a race. your comment shows the need for more intense education, not cultural education but terminology education
commenting on their historical facts are not the ramblings of a racist but merely the observances of history
blacks arent a separate race and neither are the aboriginal peoples
scientists have proven all makind came from the exact same dna source, ergo we are one race
most people love to use the term racists as a cop out to attack or belittle somene simply because they lack the ambition or intelligence to research the subject enough, in order to get a decent background on the subject at hand
as i sai before it is far more important for all of us to relish in our similiarities than in our differences
its the differences and the people focussing on these differences that are tearing societies and communities apart
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We(aborigionals) accept other race dat comes thru our school doors, dont matter what color you are, as long as your human...
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this is a sweeping comment and isnt necessarily true. aboriginals are no more accepting of others than anyone else
the education needed these days isnt culturally motivated but instead acceptance orientated.
i went to a pow wow once just to check it out n got leered at because i wasnt one of them .plus i also grew up in the system , natives are no nicer than any other cultural group . we all have the ability to be idiots, and being grouped together culturally only builds the so called cultural powertripper mentality
and ive also witnessed some of the nastiness with all cultures of children when they are pushed into separate little cultural groups and the gang lifestyle that ensues directly after
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Posted: 2/9/2008 7:55:26 AM | I have only one thing to say on this subject:
Discrimation based on race is illegal! | |
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