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Posted: 12/1/2007 3:19:47 PM | It is never that simple, leigh. You're not automatically a murderer. You're scott free in New York State. In my state I am sure there'd be an investigation. Killing is not automatically murder. Even the bible recognizes this and specifically talks about killing a man after dark you are incident and before dark it is quite a different matter. Plus the ten commands say Thou shalt not Murder not Thou shalt not Kill as everyone has been misquoted and misinterpreted from its original languages. You are a human being and going back to even biblical times your life has right and meaning and as such, as long as you are in the right, you are allowed to defend yourself by killing. A gun simply helps facilitate that.
This thread isn't about home invasion, but about civilians owning firearms and whether or not it is a matter of survival or just plain unnecessary. Even though the title of the thread is "Guns at home", the OP is simply referring to civilians with guns, whether they be kept in homes or automobiles and whether they are used for self defense or recreation.
Did you even hear what you just said? It's somehow OK in your mind for you to make this about guns in the car but not for me to make it about home invasion? Home invasion is probably the leading reason for wanting a loaded firearm in the home. My reason is more legit and plausible than yours about cars.
The fact is, their are two sides to this picture. On the Montel Williams side, you see crime rising. But then again, so is our population, and anyone would agree that when your population grows, so does your crime rate.
And though you probably never looked at them I cited THREE sources, not just Montel. But you should look at what MW has done before you ride him off as another shallow inflammatory talkshow host because he is far from that and far truer to what media should be than even most news shows are these days.
As far as Montel Williams goes, he's nothing more than a motivational speaker turned talk show host. Just like every other talk show or news program his job security is dependent on ratings, which makes his primary concern controversial information that will catch the viewers attention, no matter how skewed that information may be.
MW has gotten prepscription programs started, he suffers with MS and severe chronic pain. If you watched a show or two and started to feel what is in his heart and the good and empowerment of people he facilitates through his show I think you'd wisen up.
Besides, anyone who says that they need a gun for protection has watched too many movies. If someone does invade your home while you are in it, they are more apt to attempt to kill you if they are aware that you have a gun. So, are you really more safe with a gun?
That all depends on the circumstances and your plan. First off, IF it were loaded I wouldnt want it simply in a common drawer. I'd want it in a book or the freezer ice tray or somewhere the thief is not going to look for regular things like money, drugs, and jewelery.
I'm not saying I needed a loaded gun in the house, but when I have felt things tense locally I have. I like knowing I can. For example.
Say I saw a neighbor doing violent threatening things, like wounding another neighbors dog to bully around their kids into not telling on him. Repeatedly harming animals who were not bothering him. I borrowed a relative's 12 ga shotgun that I assisted him in buying for hunting previously and bought some magnum buckshot loads. I later ran the neighbor's criminal record and found out he had a record of weapons violation. What do you do then?
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Posted: 12/1/2007 3:46:35 PM |
It is never that simple, leigh. You're not automatically a murderer. You're scott free in New York State. In my state I am sure there'd be an investigation. Killing is not automatically murder
that is where our states are different... I am trained in security.... I still had no right to harm my attacker any harder than he was me.... if he attacked me with a wooden stick for example.... if I attacked him back with an iron rod... I would be the one who would be arrested... YES I AGREE CRAZY.... We don't have the protection we deserve... but that is our law.... If I had barred wire around my garden wall... someone tried to jump my wall to try and rob me... he harmed himself getting over my wall... I WOULD BE AT FAULT ... NOT HIM.... no that is not justice I grant you.. but THE STUPID ENGLISH LAWS..... BUT... I will never agree to GUNS.... say you were a little drunk... your ex came round.... he got heavy handed with me.... I would be so tempted to get my gun and shoot him..... IS THAT RIGHT? NO....
Say I saw a neighbor doing violent threatening things, like wounding another neighbours dog to bully around their kids into not telling on him. Repeatedly harming animals who were not bothering him. I borrowed a relative's 12 ga shotgun that I assisted him in buying for hunting previously and bought some magnum buckshot loads. I later ran the neighbor's criminal record and found out he had a record of weapons violation. What do you do then?
sorry.... being a typical blonde now... I don't really understand what you are saying here? can you explain more please....
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Posted: 12/1/2007 4:04:13 PM | 
He was just being a nuisance and drunk a lot and you never know when some one who is testing the bounds of their machoismo will decide to go off half c o c ked. He also was the prime suspect in a suspicious fire that was started. He kept walking bye and smiling about the whole thing. I'm about 99 percent sure he did it and it could have lead to some serious property loss because it was between two garages. I don't know what his problem was. I'm sure he was a stoner and a drunk and his wife worked all the time and he never did. He sat home and caused trouble for the whole neighborhood. I could just feel the trouble building so I prepared for the worst.
The brits can be that something else that you can't defend yourself if attacked? In your own home? | |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 4:23:15 PM | I strongly believe in the right for private citzens to own firearms. I've grown up around guns and know people that carry them in their vehicle as faithfully their tools, which is what guns really are. Guns don't make me nervous and the only people that make me nervous having guns are people I would avoid regardless.
Home security? You can give a thousand stories too prove or disprove the effectiveness of protecting yourself by being armed. I respect anyone's choice whichever they chose.
Several years ago, a neighbor came home to find someone running from his garage carrying a gas can(?). I started keeping a loaded gun near my bed after that. One night I had fallen asleep on the couch and was awoke in the middle of the night by a noise in the next room. Turns out it was a friend of a friend that had an emergency (He was out of beer after closing time with some chick in the car and I was the only one he knew within 15 miles. Ok, he should have been shot. ) I wouldn't have shot but, if I had been in bed he would have sh*t his shorts when he saw the barrel of a gun asking who the h*ll was in my kitchen. After that, I quit keeping a loaded gun near my bed. I may still have one readily accessible but will make sure I know what's up before I think about loading it. | |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 5:34:01 PM |
I would be so tempted to get my gun and shoot him..... IS THAT RIGHT? NO....
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Posted: 12/1/2007 7:03:41 PM | | I'm a hunter and competitive shooter and have quite a few firearms in the house. Most are locked up separately from the ammunition. One exception is a shotgun because I have a problem with skunks around here,but it is kept unloaded with the ammunition very handy. I do have 3 year old in the house as well,and I am not worried about an accident because all my firearms are out of reach and unloaded. Besides,he shows more interest in his own guns at this point in time. | |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 7:26:27 PM |
Do you know what scares me more than being robbed? People who think like this. The fact is, the likelihood of someone breaking into your home while you are still in it is extremely small. There are less than 40 reports a year of this in the United States.
I must be one of the lucky ones because I have walked in on people burglarizing my home.
I think your figures are off by quite a bit. Seems home invasions are becoming much more common and it seemed like there were two or three a month where I used to live (The Atlanta area).
Your are entitled to your opinion, but I'll never understand the thoughts of people who don't want to shoot a home intruder. I'll never understand the thoughts of someone who is fine with being a victim.
Most gun owners aren't running around like John Wayne, pulling them out when they get cut off in traffic or feel insulted. I would feel much safer if everyone owned a firearm than if no one owned one(legally). Criminals will always have guns. | |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 2:02:49 AM |
but I'll never understand the thoughts of people who don't want to shoot a home intruder. I'll never understand the thoughts of someone who is fine with being a victim
WOW.... it would not enter my head to do such a thing.... yes they are in the wrong... but to kill them ??? gosh we are so different.... that home intruder (yes is in the WRONG) BUT... could be a teenager on a dare thinking he is clever.... WRONG I know.... but deserves to die for it? I don't think so
It is not about wanting to be a victim.... no one wants that.... but it is a matter of being humane and not a murderer....You will get a higher sentance than the intruder,if they don't threaten your life... you have no right to shoot them in my mind.
Several years ago, a neighbor came home to find someone running from his garage carrying a gas can(?). I started keeping a loaded gun near my bed after that. One night I had fallen asleep on the couch and was awoke in the middle of the night by a noise in the next room. Turns out it was a friend of a friend that had an emergency (He was out of beer after closing time with some chick in the car and I was the only one he knew within 15 miles. Ok, he should have been shot. ) I wouldn't have shot but, if I had been in bed he would have sh*t his shorts when he saw the barrel of a gun asking who the h*ll was in my kitchen. After that, I quit keeping a loaded gun near my bed. I may still have one readily accessible but will make sure I know what's up before I think about loading it
you hit the nail on the head country.... that is my fear and that is why I don't agree with them.... I am a very nervous women.... the slightest noise when I am in bed makes me tremble... could you imagine me with a gun... it could be my little girl creeping down stairs for a sneaky drink ffs.... NO NO NO.....
The brits can be that something else that you can't defend yourself if attacked? In your own home?
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Posted: 12/2/2007 5:45:45 AM |
Did you even hear what you just said? It's somehow OK in your mind for you to make this about guns in the car but not for me to make it about home invasion?
I know exactly what I said. I think you completely missed my point which was that you must look at the "big picture" and not just one aspect of the reason people claim to have guns.
MW has gotten prescription programs started, he suffers with MS and severe chronic pain. If you watched a show or two and started to feel what is in his heart and the good and empowerment of people he facilitates through his show I think you'd wisen up.
I have done more than watched a show or two, I have attended two of his motivational speeches before he ever set foot on television. His catch phrase was "Mountain! Get out of my way!", and he quoted scripture from the Bible while boasting that he drove a brand new Nissan 300ZX. While I never called him shallow as you suggested, I do think he can be a bit hypocritical and inflammatory. Having MS and living life in pain does not automatically make someone noble or trustworthy and it certainly does not make them an expert on crime statistics. Thats why I find my statistics at places like the US Department of Justice, Bureau of Statistics, Federal Crime Statistics, and FBI Uniform Crime Reports instead of trusting people with unfortunate illnesses like Montel Williams or Stephen Hawking.
Say I saw a neighbor doing violent threatening things, like wounding another neighbors dog to bully around their kids into not telling on him. Repeatedly harming animals who were not bothering him. I borrowed a relative's 12 ga shotgun that I assisted him in buying for hunting previously and bought some magnum buckshot loads. I later ran the neighbor's criminal record and found out he had a record of weapons violation. What do you do then?
A: You do your civil duty and call the authorities. Letting him get away with bullying kids and maiming animals just as long as he is not bothering you is a cowards way of thinking and it makes you no better than him. By the way, if that shot gun is registered in your relatives name is something does go down, did you know that your relative can be held just as responsible as you are for whatever might happen. You are now not only allowing a criminal to get away with illegal acts, but you are also putting your relative at risk. You have obviously done your homework to find out when it is OK in your state to kill someone, now do your homework to find out about weapons registrations. Because if your criminal neighbor does break into your home while you are not their and takes that gun and then used it to kill someone, now your relative is also to blame.
That all depends on the circumstances and your plan. First off, IF it were loaded I wouldnt want it simply in a common drawer. I'd want it in a book or the freezer ice tray or somewhere the thief is not going to look for regular things like money, drugs, and jewelery.
I was not referring to the robber finding your gun and then using it on you. I meant that if they are burglarizing your home the likelihood of them wanting to kill you is probably not that great, but if you then point at gun at him, you have just put yourself at risk and you better believe that if he has a gun he is going to be much more likely to use it at this point. Everyone assumes that if you shoot someone that they will automatically fall over and die. This is not at all true. Even if you shoot first, you may still be in imminent danger of being shot yourself. And just out of curiosity, how are you going to stash that shotgun in a freezer, and if you figured out how to do that, how are you going to get to it when you home is invaded?
By the way, did you know that 80% of home burglaries occur between 10am and 3pm while people are at work? I can guarantee that your gun will not deter them if you are not home, but they can steal that gun to commit other crimes in the future...and like I have already pointed out, that now makes you an accomplice to those future crimes once they realize that it was your gun. | |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 6:02:37 AM |
Your are entitled to your opinion, but I'll never understand the thoughts of people who don't want to shoot a home intruder. I'll never understand the thoughts of someone who is fine with being a victim.
Prevention is the best form of defense. Why no use that money spent on a gun to invest in an alarm system?
I don't know what I would feel if someone invaded my home while I was in it, and I am not saying that I wouldn't feel the desire to pull out a firearm. But what I am saying is that it doesn't change anything but make you a greater risk of losing your life. Me having a gun doesn't change the fact that someone just broke into my home. Me having a gun doesn't change the fact that he is probably more prepared for the situation than I am. And me having a gun does not give me the right to use it however I see fit.
I am not against people owning guns. I just think that many of the reasons people give for owning guns are nothing more than either cop out excuses or they haven't really thought of the potential consequences. In most cases, the owners of those firearms are not aware of the magnitude of the responsibilities and legal ramifications that are involved in owning them.
I was in Iraq as a United States Marine and because of what I had to do and see there, I could care less to even be around another gun at this point in my life. But I do not hold this against anyone who thinks that guns are good. I am simply saying that you can never be prepared for what will happen to you after you pull that trigger for the first time whether it be used in self defense or premeditated murder. Only a sociopath can walk away emotionally unscathed. | |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 7:44:51 AM |
you can Random...but only the same force as they are using....
See that is what is american about being armed. A woman or granny is equalized to stop a violent thief now. Without some means of equalization all women, smaller people, or people with great medical illness are now reduced to victims from the start. THAT is what is empowering about our laws.
I agree, though, if you're the jumpy type a gun might not be the wisest for you or maybe the first round should be a hard rubber bullet or rock salt that will not kill should you, god forbid, accidentally shoot your child. That is part of the inherent danger of guns at home and why I am not in the camp of always having a loaded gun around. Too many loved ones get shot when people get creeped out. I alluded to this in my first msg here.
Me having a gun doesn't change the fact that he is probably more prepared for the situation than I am.
You'd be surprised you know what the preparation is. In my state as in many a thief entering the premises with a weapon of any kind have commited a much different crime than a simple burglarly. Now there is intent to harm even if they never use it. Many of the better thieves know this and will enter unarmed and then look for the nearest weapon BECAUSE the legal implications are so different -- so I've read anyway.
By the way, did you know that 80% of home burglaries occur between 10am and 3pm while people are at work? I can guarantee that your gun will not deter them if you are not home, but they can steal that gun to commit other crimes in the future./ Of course I knew that, which is why my position is what it is. The best way to have a gun is to keep it as hidden as possible. I've said this already. And for the icebox example I meant pistol but I could keep a legal 18" sawed off shotgun in there if I needed to. There's room. how are you going to get to it when you home is invaded? I have a plan. I am not going to reveal all my strategies here as I know thieves read as well as normal citizens. In some cases due to incarceration they have more time to read and share secrets of their "trade" than you or I do. Which is also why I haven't done my complete research... some of this stuff you don't anticipate like the unruly neighbor. But yes, my relative and I did discuss that aspect when I borrowed the firearm from him. He's known me like half my life, knows I got the highest score in my firearms safety class, he knows I am definitely not the type to shoot first and ask questions later as I fall on the rational compassionate side to most issues. He knows that when I take an action I make sure I am on the right side of being right. For that matter I don't even like shotguns, which is why I wanted to just borrow one or I'd have bought my own. It's offtopic but I think they are a hacks gun in terms of hunting. If you can't hit it with one projectile then there is no skill and sportsmanship in the hunting as far as I'm concerned. I decided this after I went goose hunting once. I killed two geese with one round from a single shot 12 ga legally saw off shotgun.  A: You do your civil duty and call the authorities. Letting him get away with bullying kids and maiming animals just as long as he is not bothering you is a cowards way of thinking and it makes you no better than him. I did call the authorities on the fire incident. I did do more. I was so shocked when I heard the dog yelp and saw what he did I wasn't totally sure what to do -- it was the first time I had experienced anything like that and I turned to look after he hit the animal so I really didnt see the incident. I heard it. I did the best I knew to do at that moment. I intimidated him and let him know I was watching, I prepared for later by borrowing the shotgun. The neighbor's kids weren't saints, either... for all I know, and suspect, they(or their parents) were the source of his drugflow. Things get complicated quick, but authorities are not as much help as you would have us all believe. The local cop in that neighborhood has his wife show up in public as she works in the local school, repeated with black eyes. The world is not a perfect place. I do what I can to make it better but we don't always win. If the local authorities wife doesn't even stand a chance then how do the rest of us? I don't have all the time and energy in the world to attend to other people's problems. I do what I can but I have a life of my own to live which does not include excess drinking which does not include drugs which does not include bullying others. Ironically, in the end the most powerful tool I had in that situation seemed to be word of mouth. I discredited him by talking to others and eventually he was shamed into moving out of the neighborhood. Is it the best solution? Not by a long shot. So what good does all the millions spent on authority with guns really end up doing at the moment of crisis? A -- None, unfortunately. You care so much I'll look up his new residence and YOU go police him. | |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 7:51:08 AM | I own 14 firearms ranging from a .22 all the way up to .45 cal. This does not include my 4 shotguns and 2 rifles. I have over 4000 rounds of Ammo total and buying more every week.
This does not make me evil or a criminal. I have a concealed weapons permit and carry most of the time.
On the subject of guns in my home...not your place to tell me I cant have them. If someone tries to break into my home...they had better be bullet proof. Try to rob me..bang..your dead...hurt my family...bang your dead...
After 12 years in the Army...I have no problem pulling the trigger...no remorse...no guilt...If it comes down to someone dying...It will not be me! | |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 8:03:37 AM |
I must be one of the lucky ones because I have walked in on people burglarizing my home.
I think your figures are off by quite a bit. Seems home invasions are becoming much more common and it seemed like there were two or three a month where I used to live (The Atlanta area).
Ditto. Twice I have walked in on burglars and both times my guns were well enough hidden that they did not find them.
I think his figures are way off, too, which is why I posted the crimedoctor link and the reason for it. Government is SLOW to move with trends so this leaves it to citizens to protect themselves.
A mile from me two guys followed some people home from a bar and tried to rob them. This fellow had an antique calvary sword above his mantle and fought off the two intruders and sent them to the hospital. That was not just a home invasion but a very very bold and very blatant one. | |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 8:08:12 AM |
not your place to tell me I cant have them
gosh no it isn't... it is legal where you live... but in the UK... it is law who tells you you can't not me...
If someone tries to break into my home...they had better be bullet proof. Try to rob me..bang..your dead...hurt my family...bang your dead...
see....that is what I call scary,that is not a humane attitude.... if someone tries to murder you...of course you have to protect yourself.... but kill for someone entering your house,you have no right to take a life
After 12 years in the Army...I have no problem pulling the trigger...no remorse...no guilt...If it comes down to someone dying...It will not be me
no remorse for killing a teenager stealing your tv? .... I don't think I need to say what I am thinking over that last statement.... just because you were in the Army gives you no right to murder and not feel guilt or remorse...
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Posted: 12/2/2007 8:31:47 AM | | And I love it when the electronic home alarm people come around to sell their systems. I tell them I have all the protection I need and its free...no monthly fee...lol. | |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 9:26:39 AM | I own 14 firearms ranging from a .22 all the way up to .45 cal. This does not include my 4 shotguns and 2 rifles. I have over 4000 rounds of Ammo total and buying more every week.
Good for you. Many guys have a hard time finding compensation for their lack of manhood.
On the subject of guns in my home...not your place to tell me I cant have them.
Of course it's not, which is exactly why I said that I was not against people owning them. So what's up with all the aggression and defensiveness? Low self esteem perhaps?
After 12 years in the Army...I have no problem pulling the trigger...no remorse...no guilt...If it comes down to someone dying...It will not be me!
What is it about guns that make people think they are incincable? You probably think that your God's gift to women after a few beers too right? | |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 10:45:47 AM | Rs...
No lack of manhood here lil fella...
Self esteem? Not a problem again....
A gun does not make you invincible...just more protected.
As for a teenager breaking into my home and stealing a t.v? Am I suppose to know that is what he wants? Or am I suppose to ask? How about offer it to him because he is to damn lazy to go EARN one? I think not...bang...he's dead.
Tell me...what is it like to be a coward? To steal what another man earns? Are you telling me that if some punk came at you with a gun...you had one...do you kill him or try to feel his pain? How about this...you and your family are in your nice warm beds...some punks break into your home...is this not a threat to you and your wife and kids? Are you going to tell them to please go away and your sorry for hurting their feelings? Or do you do the right thing...protect your home and family? I can here you now..."I would call the police"...not realizing that by the time they get there...your dead...
You liberals are so damn touchy feely that you can not see the trees for the forrest! | |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 11:11:06 AM |
As for a teenager breaking into my home and stealing a t.v? Am I suppose to know that is what he wants? Or am I suppose to ask? How about offer it to him because he is to damn lazy to go EARN one? I think not...bang...he's dead.
well lets just prey that if you have children and they do something stupid...they do not have a person like you on the recieving end.... will you then say your child deserved to die? yes of course you would as you don't have one....
Tell me...what is it like to be a coward? To steal what another man earns? Are you telling me that if some punk came at you with a gun...you had one...do you kill him or try to feel his pain?
that is different... I stated earlier.. if your life is at risk,you do all you can to protect yourself..... don't twist my words
How about this...you and your family are in your nice warm beds...some punks break into your home...is this not a threat to you and your wife and kids? Are you going to tell them to please go away and your sorry for hurting their feelings? Or do you do the right thing...protect your home and family? I can here you now..."I would call the police"...not realizing that by the time they get there...your dead.
very few buglaries are armed.... my brother has been buglaries four times.... either when they were in bed or at work.... NO... NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO DO THIS.... BUT... it is not our choice to kill them for it.... DAMN.... I HAVE BEEN SEXUALLY ABUSED BY MY GRANDFATHER FROM THE AGE OF 5 TO 13..... was raped at 14..... mugged and beaten at 17.... fook... believe me... I KNOW THE MENTAL PAIN ..... I HATE THEM FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO ME.... BUT I STILL DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO MURDER THEM..... on saying that... if anyone touches my children.... I WILL MAKE THEM PAY.... BUT NOT BY MURDERING THEM... that is to light ... make them suffer... MURDER IS NOT THE ANSWER....
You liberals are so damn touchy feely that you can not see the trees for the forrest!
and you feel the need to patronise me because I have a heart and the strength of guilt WHY?
I WOULD RATHER BE ME THAN YOU... I have a heart... I FEEL PAIN AND GUILT.... something you obviously don't | |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 11:14:20 AM | [quote[Prevention is the best form of defense. Why no use that money spent on a gun to invest in an alarm system?[/dquote]
I agree but if you just own a single gun you are not going to get much. I have spent more money on security items than weaponry now that you've made me think about it and all up the amounts. But with home invasions on the rise and the incident a mile away I am seriously considering I might be better off with a pistol, too. What I'd really like to find is one of the remmington XP 100 (or was it 200?) the target silhouette pistol. Beautiful little weapon. Bolt action, only one shot, but chambered for high powered rifle rounds. Like the 7mm. That way it'd be perfect for target shooting, hunting, and a good backup home defense weapon. Most pistols don't have enough power for decent knock down power in a defense situation.
Looks like they have it in that new ultra speedy ruger round, too.
The .204 Ruger is proving to be a very accurate and efficient cartridge: an early tester reported 1/2 MOA groups at 100 yards (91 m) with the Hornady loads and a Ruger #1 Varmint rifle. This is not surprising, considering that the first cartridge in the family, the .222 Remington, was a top benchrest shooting cartridge for many years after its introduction.
Caliber production by year
.221 Remington Fireball (1963 -1985)
7 mm BR Remington (1980-1985)
.223 Remington (1986-1994), (2005-Present in XR-100)
.35 Remington (1986-1994)
.250 Savage (1990-1991) Custom Shop only
6 mm BR Remington (1990-1991) Custom Shop only
.22-250 Remington (1992-1994) Custom Shop only, (2005-Present in XR-100)
.308 Winchester (1992-1994) Custom Shop only
7 mm-08 Remington (1993-1994)
.204 Ruger (2005-Present in XR-100)
1/2 inch groups at 100 yards out of a rifle? Pretty impressive, bet it'd do great in that pistol. The .308 has a lot more lob in its arc but it'd still be a fun way to shoot and enough potential power if one needed to defend their home. I know I'd only need one shot. | |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 11:32:17 AM | Well princess...
My kids would NOT BE STUPID enough to rob or steal. Or break into a home and cause a threat to others. It is how they are raised that decides who and what they are.
You say very few burglers are armed? You must be talking about the good ol UK. HERE THEY CARRY KNIVES AND GUNS...LOOK AT THE PRO FOOTBALL PLAYER KILLED LAST WEEK....SHOT...
You seem to have had a hard childhood...as a child you could not help but be harmed..may I ask where your parents were? Why did they do nothing?
As an adult...you have every right to SELF PRESERVATION....I suggest getting a gun...shooting ol gramps in the ass...cutting off the rapist's pecker...and move on with your life.
Murder is wrong yes...but self defense and protection of home and loved ones...necessity! | |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 12:46:44 PM | Tell me...what is it like to be a coward? To steal what another man earns?
You tell me. Seems to me like you are the only one of us hell bent on taking from another man. And if you ask me, taking a mans life is more serious than taking his TV.
Are you telling me that if some punk came at you with a gun...you had one...do you kill him or try to feel his pain?
That's just my point. I have no need for a gun. I would have to deal with him as a man, and if I were killed in the course, then so be it. That shoot first, ask questions later attitude seems like the cowards way out of the situation to me.
You liberals are so damn touchy feely that you can not see the trees for the forrest!
Do you have any idea what the word "liberal" even means? It means "free". A liberal minded person is a free thinker, which is the opposite of a closed minded person. With that said, thanks for the compliment. I am proud not to be a closed minded redneck. | |
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| guns at home
Posted: 12/2/2007 7:58:34 PM | .
All the human rights hating socialists should be proud to declare that their homes are a weapons free zone with a sign out front for all to see. See how that works, and who it attracts. . . .
Or, we could drive them into the center of Detroit on any warm Friday night and drop them off. If they get out of there alive, to be sure they’ll be strong Second Amendment supporters forever.
A home alarm system indeed! What the hell good is an alarm system when everyone knows the police are so overworked you’ll be lucky to get a car within two hours? Whereas, birdshot applied to the belly of the bad guy through a 20 gauge shotgun is both instantly effective and neighbor friendly.
A gun is just a tool and a man should know which of his tools is most appropriate for which job. Of course, he mush also know when not to use each tool. For instance, you should not take a chainsaw to a fistfight -- else, the guy with the shotgun has a right to use it. 
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| guns at home
Posted: 12/2/2007 9:23:57 PM | They're kept in all the right places . . to cover any door . . from any angle . . of any room !
The swords, machettes amd throwing knives are just back-ups . .
the noisy wood-chipper takes care of bulky waste-products . .
as part of daily chores around the house,
so noone notices . . !! | |
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| guns at home
Posted: 12/3/2007 2:37:43 AM | All the human rights hating socialists should be proud to declare that their homes are a weapons free zone with a sign out front for all to see.
Socialists aren't human rights haters. They just understand that humans have very few, if any rights. And they are correct. Allow me to elaborate...
Rights (AKA rights of passage) are attributes that cannot be taken away. Our declaration says that the three unalienable rights given to man by the "Natural God" is Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. Well, obviously they are wrong about those. I mean, what man can't have his life stripped away from him at any given moment. That's a big part of what this post is about.
No, the "rights" that my fellow countrymen think that they have are nothing more than privileges that can be stripped away at any time. The privilege to bare arms is just as fragile as one's privilege to drive a car and can be taken away just as easily if abused.
Don't believe me? Try signing up for the military and then tell me if you have these rights and freedoms. There is no freedom of speech, right to bare arms, or freedom of religion in the military. | |
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| guns at home
Posted: 12/3/2007 6:26:53 AM | I recognise that it is your right to have guns ?
I accept it as an individual thing , I believe in treating everyone as an individual so just help me out, as someone wanting to learn here ok.
I just looked up the number of deaths by Firearms in the USA in 2004 through your justice department stats and was given the total number as 29,569.
They said there was a direct correlation between the greater amount of deaths in countries where guns were kept in house holds than in countries without.
That being the case even with good education, wouldn't the restriction of firearms decrease the amount of deaths in the country each year. | |
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