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| guns at home Posted: 9/29/2009 3:42:51 PM | i read those stats too.according to them...my family of 5 should have died 13 times.....and my ex and myself shot each other 9 times......................strangely......nothing like that happened....................nor has anything like that happened to the hundreds of gun owners i know........
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| guns at home Posted: 9/29/2009 4:40:35 PM |
I would never get into a relationship with someone who had a gun or guns and would never have one in my home under any circumstance. Period and emphatically.
Have you ever had the opportunity to use a firearm?
My Mother was deathly afraid of guns. One day my brother dropped a shotgun shell on the floor as he was preparing to go hunting and she almost had a heart attack. Thirty years later, she laughs about it now.
My Mother and Father divorced back then and the new man in her life, my Step father Vince, introduced her to range shooting. In the years following she became a Winchester Gold Shield expert in rifle. The high point in her competitive shooting came when she won a pistol competition in which local police officer, mounties, and members of the armed forces took part in.
She became an instructor and taught the fire arm safety course. She owned her own target firearms plus several collector rifles and pistols. She is 74 now. Vince passed away a few years back and she had a stoke two years ago but shot right up to that point. Today she regrets that her health prevent s her from taking part in firearms use.
Vince was a great man and loved my mother very much. He became a great friend to me. I miss him everyday. She did not let her fear of guns get in the way of their relationship. It became a part of her life instead. No one got shot or injured.
If you have tried firearms and you still fear them that much then you are wise to avoid firearm owners. If you have never used firearms you might be passing on the love of your life if someone like Vince were to come into your life. | |
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| guns at home Posted: 9/29/2009 7:04:18 PM | | ^^^Fear them? I don't fear them, I hate them. How limited is someone's understanding to assume that if someone doesn't like guns it's because they fear them? I hate violence and guns and the whole attitude regarding the right to have them. From what I can see it is all those Americans who keep insisting they need them for self protection who are afraid, afraid of their own shadows. I lived in America alone, for many years and was not fearful. And yes I have shot a gun. I have been around them as a child and young adult through family. You have made a huge assumption based on absolutely nothing. I have been threatened by someone with a gun, to the point I was given unasked for police protection for a week. That incident, which happened in my late forties, did not form my opinion about guns and did not change it, it had no effect on it. I have more knowledge of and experience of the issue of gun possession and use by both joe public and the police, having a half brother who was in the police force, than most people. Again, you make huge assumptions. | |
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| guns at home Posted: 9/29/2009 7:43:21 PM | I've shot lots of guns, both at people and at targets.
I think farmers need a gun around, that target enthusiasts should be allowed to shoot but I I don't believe that everybody and their grandmother needs a gun or that people should be allowed to have them without extensive training and background checks. | |
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| guns at home Posted: 9/29/2009 10:19:17 PM |
I lived in the US for 50 years. Much of my adult life I lived alone. I NEVER had a gun or any other kind of weapon, never wanted one and never felt the need for one. I think a lot of safety is where you live and how you live. The vast majority of people in the US who feel they need to have a gun don't actually need it at all. This would be an absolute deal breaker for me: I would never get into a relationship with someone who had a gun or guns and would never have one in my home under any circumstance. Period and emphatically
Well, I agree with someof what you have said about how someone lives determining their need for protection, to an extent. However, I don't feel like I need an excuse to breath, and I don't need an excuse to read novels, and I don't need an excuse to own a firearm either. Whether I choose to use it for protection, hunting, or just because I enjoy sports, does not matter. As to you not dating someone who chooses to excercise that choice in the affirmative, that is a personal call. Noone can bash that either. Reguardless of their opinion of it they don't have the right. Hell, noone has a right to bash anyone for a PREFERENCE. Makes us all unique.
On the flip side of this coin, I know plenty of people who live right who could have/have used a weapon to defend themselves. I simply hope that your stance does not end up with you being victimized due to your physical helplessness.
Fear them? I don't fear them, I hate them. How limited is someone's understanding to assume that if someone doesn't like guns it's because they fear them? I hate violence and guns and the whole attitude regarding the right to have them. From what I can see it is all those Americans who keep insisting they need them for self protection who are afraid, afraid of their own shadows. I lived in America alone, for many years and was not fearful. And yes I have shot a gun. I have been around them as a child and young adult through family. You have made a huge assumption based on absolutely nothing. I have been threatened by someone with a gun, to the point I was given unasked for police protection for a week. That incident, which happened in my late forties, did not form my opinion about guns and did not change it, it had no effect on it. I have more knowledge of and experience of the issue of gun possession and use by both joe public and the police, having a half brother who was in the police force, than most people. Again, you make huge assumptions. Okay, this I find totally laughable.
You "HATE" guns. Yeah? Hrmmm, I could blame society's problems on lots of things. I could say "I HATE CARS!" because cars kill more people than...wait. No they don't. Cars don't kill anybody. People driving them do. I could even say I hate food, because it causes obeisity, which costs America almost as much as this war in Iraq has over the past 5 years roughly. However, I don't. Because that is childish and has no logical basis. I think what you really hate are people, not guns. A firearm is a tool, the value and nobility of its use is determined SOLELY by its user. End of story. However, if you know of a firearm that will cock, aim, and fire itself, and dare I hope reload as well! Please tell me, I am sure it could improve some of my odds of hitting the target at times, especially after a few hundred rounds of .45ACP has me feeling fatigued.
My point is, you hate violence...and somehow you think guns cause violence. At some point you will be either forced to admit that you have not left the "magical thinker" stage of development, or ascribe the attrocities of society to those committing them instead of the tools they use.
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| guns at home Posted: 9/29/2009 10:43:54 PM |
guns in the home. the result of america watching way to many westerns in the 50s.
Or the result of that being one of the hobbies I enjoy. The fact that it can be used to protect me and mine is just a bonus. Do you play any musical instruments, sing? Maybe it's the result of too many viewings of "The Sound of Music" or some such.
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| guns at home Posted: 9/30/2009 8:50:38 AM | | ^While I might have worded them in a slightly more tactful manner, I pretty much completely agree with both of the above two posts by jwg86. | |
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| guns at home Posted: 9/30/2009 9:12:32 AM | ...and somehow you think guns cause violence Yes, I'm just crazy that way....
Okay, this I find totally laughable. What is not understood by so many Americans is that there is a mindset, a limited, provincial, uneducated mindset about guns. The rest of the modern Western world does not share your perspective, and they are all laughing at you. | |
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| guns at home Posted: 9/30/2009 11:39:24 AM | nope..they arent laughing at us....its more of a nervous, jealous laugh..............whenever they get into trouble..who do they call?
hint:.it aint ghostbusters | |
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| guns at home Posted: 9/30/2009 12:30:57 PM | | violence has been around long before guns!!! my outlook is you wont got shot by me if u dont break into my house, is that a uneducated outlook? if u do break into my house , you will get shot, again i didnt bring the situation on the person breaking into my house did, so they can and will pay the price. i dont like soccer, the rest of the mordern world does, good for them, on the flipside is i dont give a damn what they think of me having a gun in my house. i work to hard for the stuff i have to let some hoodlum just take it. it will not happen.a gun is the way i make sure i keep what i have worked for. | |
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| guns at home Posted: 9/30/2009 6:03:33 PM | How scarry would it be for some nut job to get into your house, cut your phone lines and do whatever they want to you and yours?
The thought of that is so scarry to me I keep a firearm in my home. The Ammo was locked away till I heard about a home invasion in my area where by a man and his pregnate girlfriend were beatin before they were left alone by the invaders. I loaded my SKS and it sits in the closet. I live alone.
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| guns at home Posted: 9/30/2009 6:07:49 PM | Stats are skewed. Some of us have proper training with firearms. That is why police carry them. Police have shot themselves with their own guns, committed suicide with them, had accidental discharges and have used them while beating their wives. In those cases those police officers have been punished accordingly and the rest of the police departments continued to issue and use firearms
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| guns at home Posted: 9/30/2009 6:29:11 PM |
What is not understood by so many Americans is that there is a mindset, a limited, provincial, uneducated mindset about guns. The rest of the modern Western world does not share your perspective, and they are all laughing at you.
Are they? Or are they wondering how someone can hold onto a developmental phase decades longer than is proper? You are still atributing magical properties to a piece of metal, wood, and polymer. It is not a mind-control device. It is not a malevolent, sentient being. If you argue that it is, then you are telling me several things: One, no matter what someone does to you, you don't think they belong in jail, because the gun made them do it, or did it by itself. Two, your brother at some point will turn to the dark side and give in to the evil call of the pistol he carries on his duty belt, unless your made a hyperbole and he is just a mall-cop or something.
You are right, there is an education defecit involved. | |
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| guns at home Posted: 9/30/2009 7:40:51 PM | i hope and pray that you never run into a situation where you regret your stance
I know plenty of people who live right who could have/have used a weapon to defend themselves.
Self-defense Dr. Roth argues that "Self-defense is commonly cited as a reason to own a gun. This is the explanation given by 20 percent of all gun owners and 40 percent of all handgun owners contacted for a household survey conducted in 1979. (Decision-Making Information, Inc., Attitudes of the American Electorate Toward Gun Control, Santa Ana, California: Decision-Making Information, Inc., 1979). But research has shown that a gun kept in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a member of the household, or friend, than an intruder.(Arthur Kellermann and Donald Reay. "Protection or Peril? An Analysis of Firearm Related Deaths in the Home." The New England Journal of Medicine, vol. 314, no. 24, June 1986, pp. 1557-60.) The use of a firearm to resist a violent assault actually increases the victim's risk of injury and death(FE Zimring, Firearms, violence, and public policy, Scientific American, vol. 265, 1991, p. 48). http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~ZJ5J-GTTL/guns.htm
I live alone. So did I, off and on, for many years in the States. Never felt I needed a gun to protect myself. Your fears, imo, are excessive and irrational. | |
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| guns at home Posted: 9/30/2009 8:03:30 PM |
The thought of that is so scarry to me I keep a firearm in my home. The Ammo was locked away till I heard about a home invasion in my area where by a man and his pregnate girlfriend were beatin before they were left alone by the invaders. I loaded my SKS and it sits in the closet. I live alone.
thank god because if you had a roommate somebody bet tell him to KNOCK LOUD. | |
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| guns at home Posted: 9/30/2009 8:19:32 PM | thank god because if you had a roommate somebody bet tell him to KNOCK LOUD.
How odd, I have an AR and a G17 and my roommate and I and his gf have never had a problem. Maybe you are more high-strung and are projecting this on others?
Self-defense Dr. Roth argues that "Self-defense is commonly cited as a reason to own a gun. This is the explanation given by 20 percent of all gun owners and 40 percent of all handgun owners contacted for a household survey conducted in 1979. (Decision-Making Information, Inc., Attitudes of the American Electorate Toward Gun Control, Santa Ana, California: Decision-Making Information, Inc., 1979). But research has shown that a gun kept in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a member of the household, or friend, than an intruder.(Arthur Kellermann and Donald Reay. "Protection or Peril? An Analysis of Firearm Related Deaths in the Home." The New England Journal of Medicine, vol. 314, no. 24, June 1986, pp. 1557-60.) The use of a firearm to resist a violent assault actually increases the victim's risk of injury and death(FE Zimring, Firearms, violence, and public policy, Scientific American, vol. 265, 1991, p. 48). http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~ZJ5J-GTTL/guns.htm
How fortunate for me that I do not need someone with a PhD to advise me on how best to protect myself. I have used a firearm countless times to good effect, from killing snakes and coyotes to shooting for hours and having a great time. Never had the need to shoot another human being and I hope I never do. However, if it comes to that, then it is an unfortunate event that I hope transpires as effectively as possible.
If you ever have a need to shoot another human being. Well, I guess you will either adopt the "better I am raped and beaten (or whatever ) than a human die" attitude and hope for the best for yourself, or you will really REALLY regret your stance on this matter. I hope none of the above occur and you live a long, happy life without your magical thinking ever being physically challenged. | |
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| guns at home Posted: 10/1/2009 9:34:29 AM |
What is not understood by so many Americans is that there is a mindset, a limited, provincial, uneducated mindset about guns. The rest of the modern Western world does not share your perspective, and they are all laughing at you.
Who cares? We can shoot them. | |
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| guns at home Posted: 10/1/2009 9:39:23 AM | I guess you will either adopt the "better I am raped and beaten (or whatever ) than a human die" attitude and hope for the best... I think people who are so afraid of life they have to go around with a firearm to protect themselves are paranoid, a bit nuts, and definitely scardy cats. I have been the 'victim' of an attempted rape. I have had someone nearly shoot me. Yep, there is crime in the US. In one of the situations, the attempted rape, when I was 19, I blame myself for putting myself in a vulnerable situation. He had a knife, not a gun. Had I had a gun, like the study says, I would have been more likely to be hurt than to save myself. Instead I used common sense. The other was a work place issue and not something I contributed to, but a man with a gun collection who talked about violence who was not removed until he actually brought a gun on the premises with a plan to kill someone, me, in fact. He was disarmed by security people before anything happened, when they discovered he had a gun in his possession. My point is that I have faced violence and still am not scared of my own shadow. I am a sensible grownup, not a nutter who thinks that a rapist or murderer is lurking behind every tree. | |
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| guns at home Posted: 10/1/2009 10:09:51 AM | ^So if there's not some rapist or murderer lurking behind every tree and you can handle violence and you're not afraid, then wouldn't guns not be a big deal to you?
My take on it is that people that are vehemently opposed to firearms are that way for the very same reason. Because they are paranoid, a bit nutty, and trying to do all they can to put safety padding on every sharp corner of the world so they won't get hurt by anything. It's a manifestation of the fear of not being able to take care of themselves. Which, ironically, is what guns are for. | |
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| guns at home Posted: 10/1/2009 10:12:32 AM | My take on it is that people that are vehemently opposed to firearms are that way for the very same reason. Because they are paranoid, a bit nutty, and trying to do all they can to put safety padding on every sharp corner of the world so they won't get hurt by anything. It's a manifestation of the fear of not being able to take care of themselves. Which, ironically, is what guns are for. This is completely illogical. You are projecting what you feel onto others.
Ah, jeeze...why do I even bother? Done here. | |
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| guns at home Posted: 10/1/2009 10:20:18 AM | | yep gun in the home are fine as long as you store them safely... i have guns and am willing to use it to protect my life and home.. | |
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| guns at home Posted: 10/1/2009 11:07:14 AM |
I think people who are so afraid of life they have to go around with a firearm to protect themselves are paranoid, a bit nuts, and definitely scardy cats. I have been the 'victim' of an attempted rape. I have had someone nearly shoot me. Yep, there is crime in the US. In one of the situations, the attempted rape, when I was 19, I blame myself for putting myself in a vulnerable situation. He had a knife, not a gun. Had I had a gun, like the study says, I would have been more likely to be hurt than to save myself. Instead I used common sense. The other was a work place issue and not something I contributed to, but a man with a gun collection who talked about violence who was not removed until he actually brought a gun on the premises with a plan to kill someone, me, in fact. He was disarmed by security people before anything happened, when they discovered he had a gun in his possession. My point is that I have faced violence and still am not scared of my own shadow. I am a sensible grownup, not a nutter who thinks that a rapist or murderer is lurking behind every tree.
Do you have health insurance? Homeowners/renters? Auto? Life? Do you wear a seatbelt? Have a fire extingisher? What would you do to protect a close friend or a loved one?
Owning and carrying a firearm takes a certain mindset. One which you obviously don't have since you mention you put yourself into a situation to get raped. A firearm is like insurance. Its just in case something happens. I'd rather not need one (I'd still enjoy shooting them), but the fact is that I might. Like the old saying goes "Its better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it". Firearms don't cause accidents, irresponable people do. | |
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| guns at home Posted: 10/1/2009 11:09:16 AM |
This is completely illogical. You are projecting what you feel onto others.
and you did the same. Except our side is backed with logic | |
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| guns at home Posted: 10/1/2009 11:12:48 AM | | ^^^I put myself in a vulnerable situation when I was 19 years old, that was 40 years ago. I have more sense now. And obviously you don't understand logic. Your side is not backed up by logic at all. All of your examples, such as insurance and fire extinguishers, are false analogies. Not good logic at all but fallacious reasoning. | |
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| guns at home Posted: 10/1/2009 3:07:27 PM | ^^^I put myself in a vulnerable situation when I was 19 years old, that was 40 years ago. I have more sense now. And obviously you don't understand logic. Your side is not backed up by logic at all. All of your examples, such as insurance and fire extinguishers, are false analogies. Not good logic at all but fallacious reasoning.
So what you are trying to say, is that anyone who gets raped just had it coming and made stupid choices and has noone to thank but their own stupidity?
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Are you saying that you are so smart that noone could ever make you a victim? In that case, I don't think you have progressed past 19 except in appearance.
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Are you simply claiming that you are relying on the odds that nothing bad will occur? Plenty of people do that I guess. In fact, we all do, to some extent.
Obviously you lack an understanding of some of the facts about rape. This is a good link for you to look at. It's time to stop blaming the victim. You have cultivated this "broken" mentality about yourself that puts the blame on you, as such it has made you willing to accept anything anyone does to you (or at least, you are fine with being helpless to fight back). It's just not healthy.
http://www.d.umn.edu/cla/faculty/jhamlin/3925/myths.html | |
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