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Posted: 10/11/2009 12:32:25 PM |
Statistics. Look at the statistics for where you live. Statistics on violent crime, on gun violence, on other reasons that put people at risk. Figure out how much danger you are actually in. Realize there is more chance you will be killed in your car driving to work than by someone with a gun. Are you going to give up your car and start taking the bus because it is safer?
You realize this is actually an argument in favor of guns, right? Since you just basically said they are less deadly than cars. Unless you are even more anti-cars than you are anti-guns. | |
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Posted: 10/11/2009 3:37:42 PM | | takes a lot of koolaid to believe that guns/cars argument. | |
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Posted: 10/11/2009 3:47:35 PM | I misstated when I said killed by guns. I was referring to crime. 42,000 people were killed in highway accidents in the US last year. 15,000 people were murdered (by various methods, not just guns). My point was that someone is far more likely to be at risk on the highway than in their home. People who think they need guns at home to protect themselves are not basing that belief on reason but on irrational fear. That was my point. (15,000 out of 281 million people)
Death by violence in the US is not even in the top ten, statatistically
Number of deaths for leading causes of death:
•Heart disease: 631,636
•Cancer: 559,888
•Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 137,119
•Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 124,583
•Accidents (unintentional injuries): 121,599
•Diabetes: 72,449
•Alzheimer's disease: 72,432
•Influenza and Pneumonia: 56,326
•Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 45,344
•Septicemia: 34,234
The 15 leading causes of death in 2006 were:
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Diseases of heart (heart disease)
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Malignant neoplasms (cancer)
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Cerebrovascular diseases (stroke)
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Chronic lower respiratory diseases
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Accidents (unintentional injuries)
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Diabetes mellitus (diabetes)
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Alzheimer’s disease
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Influenza and pneumonia
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Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis (kidney disease)
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Septicemia
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Intentional self-harm (suicide)
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Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis
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Essential hypertension and hypertensive renal disease (hypertension)
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Parkinson’s disease
15.
Assault (homicide)
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Posted: 10/11/2009 7:28:08 PM | | ^^^You do realize that preventing a murder isn't the time a gun can be used? They're also used to prevent burglary, robbery, rape, assault, etc. Why don't you add those numbers in the mix and see what you come up with? | |
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Posted: 10/11/2009 9:12:54 PM | this argument shouldnt even be centered around deaths. the reason why guns are legal in most US states is because of the principal that every individual has the right to protect themselves because the government cannot guarantee that you will always be protected...
i feel it is my right as a human being to have the theoretical capability to protect myself if i was ever put into that position. i dont even remotely fear for my safety right now and i put a lot of trust in my community and neighbors, but the argument that because you feel safe without firearms means they should be banned and we should let the government provide sole individual defence of every person is a joke | |
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Posted: 10/12/2009 6:55:10 AM | | ^^^You are correct when it comes to relying on the government, however when it comes to a serious situation I think that you should seriously think about if your neighbors would actually step in and do something. It sounds like you are putting the responsibility for your protection on your neighbors instead of the government, which is not good either. I'm sure you know that crime can happen at anytime, anywhere, and for any reason. | |
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Posted: 10/12/2009 7:16:28 AM | First of all, it is not the people who go through all the back ground checks and paper work to own a gun properly, that we need to be worried about. It's more so the people who buy guns on the "black Market" or with serial numbers removed. These are the people who are looking to use the gun incorrectly.
Second, These has been a lot of press here in the USA (mostly newspapers) where "Guns in Homes Actually Promote Safety". And I agree. It is all about the training you provide or you don't provide to your family. If it is guns or sex or drugs and more, you need to teach your family about it, you cannot ignore it and hope it doesn't effect you & your family in your life.
Third, If someone wants to kill you in your family they really don't need a gun to do it. They can use there bare hands, to knifes in the kitchen, to baseball bats, hammers, plastic bags, sleeping pills/drugs and so on. If someone gets mad enough, they will inflict pain and possible death, gun or no gun in the home.
Lastly, it is not the gun that maybe the problem. It well maybe the people who is holding the gun. The gun does not decide on when it will shoot and in what direction the bullet will head in. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 1:18:31 PM |
That is why what your are doing is ad hominen. You cannot argue the topic and my stance on it with and credible empirical evidence or with logic, ~Ismene~
You demand “empirical evidence”? I did not want to be unkind but everything you say is just your opinion and that would be ok if you did not demand from others that which you do not provide.
Statistics. Look at the statistics for where you live.
Why not provide this in order to give credence to your argument……..
Surely you are not so naïve as to believe that I and others who disagree with you are going to do your work for you.
Statistics on violent crime, on gun violence, on other reasons that put people at risk. Figure out how much danger you are actually in. Realize there is more chance you will be killed in your car driving to work than by someone with a gun.
Are you going to give up your car and start taking the bus because it is safer?
Hell no, I am not giving up my car……..or my firearms.
What is your point here?
Realize there is more chance you will be killed in your car driving to work than by someone with a gun.
Then by your logic and irrational fear of firearms you should not be in vehicles either; since they are even more likely to cause you harm.
You do realize you are arguing against yourself.
You do not realize that this is what some firearm devotees have been saying all along, that you are more likely to be killed by a car and a multitude of other things than by a firearm. Glad to see you are now facing and willing to admit truth.
How do you know about the deflect criminal activity? I mean if you live in a neighborhood and your neighbors know you have a gun, this info gets around,some would be burglars hear this info and say well we better not break into the Jones's they have a gun, ...these types of things happen all the time and no Police report is filed so all of your statistics really don't reflect the true effectiveness of Gun ownership…
I inferred as much earlier in the thread. It happened that all around us were getting robbed; the police chief jokingly? said we were immune because the word was out, I was “packing”. I do not understand the stance of most women’s fear of firearms when the real fear should be that they are, for the most part, defenseless. | |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 12:03:56 PM | The Israeli's train and arm thier teachers to protect their students...why do we not do the same here?? We have far more problems with school shootings than they do.
Texas recently decided to allow Teachers to Carry Weapons as long as they pass the licensing course & a special School Defense course.
Florida and other states are considering following Texas' lead on the issue.
CCW licensees in many states who go to college are suing the collges and states to allow their 2nd amendment rights to no longer be violated.
It ain't the licensees that are a problem...it's the lunatics and scumbags like the Columbine shooters who need to be dealt with in a Permanent Manner.
A lot more teachers are realizing that "Gun-Free Zone" means...
HEY, WE ARE UNARMED, COME AND KILL US!!!
Suspect in Iowa coach's death was in police custody days earlier.
NEW: Police say they weren't notified suspect was released from hospital
Coach Ed Thomas has died after being shot inside a school considered to be a "Gun-Free Zone"
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Posted: 10/14/2009 3:53:28 PM |
The Israeli's train and arm their teachers to protect their students... To protect their students, not so the teachers can protect themselves from their students The US has social issues that need to be addressed in regards to school shootings; as well, if private citizens did not have access to guns, there would be no school shootings It is kids getting a hold of the guns of parents or getting someone to buy the guns for them (Columbine) who are doing the school shootings Teachers should not need to arm themselves in order to protect themselves and their students from other students. | |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 4:40:12 PM | Let's see here, there's about 20-25 guns in the house right now of varying purpose.
Never considered them a danger. I do have a child and she's armed when I have her (dont have custody), so there's no issue.
as for home defense, that's what shotguns are for, because most likely you'll never have to use it, just chamber a round. | |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 5:26:25 PM | | ^^^Thats a bad myth about shotguns. You should never rack the slide in hopes that it will scare away the criminal. If you do it in front of the criminal it can be shown as premeditation. The arguement would be that if there was really a threat that you should have chambered a round and shot right then. It may be a deterrent for some, but if starring down a shotgun barrel doesn't deter someone, I doubt that chambering a round would. It also means that the firearm isn't ready if its immediately needed. | |
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Posted: 10/14/2009 6:40:35 PM | | ^ Huge +1. If you chamber a round, always be prepaired to use it, also, DO IT QUIETLY! Hope you don't have to, but don't count on it scaring anyone. If I broke into your house and heard you chamber a round, your chances of survival just went down, because I know a lot more precisely where you are... | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 5:54:16 PM | Hot off the press:
"OTTAWA –A long-running effort by the Conservatives to kill the long-gun registry has passed an important hurdle in the House of Commons, with a majority voting for the first time in 14 years to study a bill to repeal it.
MPs voted 164-137 to give "second reading" — or "approval-in-principle" - to a private member's bill sponsored by MP Candice Hoeppner (Portage-Lisgar) that calls for the repeal of legal requirements to register long-barrelled rifles and shotguns."
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/720988--house-takes-step-toward-repeal-of-gun-registry?bn=1
The fight to end the biggest waste of tax payer dollars in Canadian history is over. Now maybe they'll have some money for better policing and social programs to help prevent gun crimes. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 11:39:09 PM | To be honest, the problems started shortly after we decided to mix the races in schools. When it was just white schools & black schools, folks were way more well-behaved. That's just a fact.
A great majority of the problem is black people behaving in a "Ghetto" manner, instead of trying to rise up above the pimps, pushers, & ho's like Pres. Obama did. The current crop of idiotic, mysogynistic rappers are more of a hero to black kids than the President is, and that's a problem.
When we get back to basics...parents actually parenting...less divorce & more two-parent families...girls not popping their legs open to any cute guy that comes along...then we MIGHT see some Change That We Can Believe In!! | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 5:59:22 AM |
To be honest, the problems started shortly after we decided to mix the races in schools. When it was just white schools & black schools, folks were way more well-behaved. That's just a fact.
Can I get a citation for that? I'd like the author, journal #, page, etc!
Somewhat that suggests that we should have a justice system that's like Batmans, ya, I question the intelligence of that one!
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Posted: 11/9/2009 8:04:07 AM | To be honest, the problems started shortly after we decided to mix the races in schools. When it was just white schools & black schools, folks were way more well-behaved. That's just a fact.
A great majority of the problem is black people behaving in a "Ghetto" manner, instead of trying to rise up above the pimps, pushers, & ho's like Pres. Obama did. The current crop of idiotic, mysogynistic rappers are more of a hero to black kids than the President is, and that's a problem.
When we get back to basics...parents actually parenting...less divorce & more two-parent families...girls not popping their legs open to any cute guy that comes along...then we MIGHT see some Change That We Can Believe In!!
I have a unique perspective on that. I used to go to a 99.99% white school. We had one black student. She was treated the same as we all were and got along fine. Noone messed with her that I saw or she let on, and every time I saw her interact, people responded positively.
FFWD 5 years.
This all-white school changed management and became almost all black (I saw no white students upon visiting).
Our immaculate gym was destroyed. Scuff marks COVERED the wood floor, water-damage distorted it, etc. This was one of the nicest highschool gyms in the NW part of Louisiana. Totally messed up. I walked to the principal's office and confronted the first person I saw and asked: "WHAT did you do to my gym?" the response was "huh?"
I said "The front gym, the one we used to run laps for walking across the floor with non-approved shoes on, is COVERED in scuffs and water damage."
response: "Oh, well, if you put the kids in time-out, they cry, so we just let them."
(When I went there, anyone below 6th grade was not ALLOWED in the front gym, we had a back gym that they could terrorize)
I was so mad/disgusted that I just walked out.
Now there are other factors that could play a role besides the entire staff/students being swapped from white to black, but I don't know what those factors are. (It was a private school, economic difference doesn't appear to have played a roll)
Just an observation. | |
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