| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/4/2007 3:34:59 AM | We're a divided nation, with liberals watching only CNN and conservatives watching only Fox News. It's liberals the country is ignoring and in Canada. No one knows or cares what they're carrying on about in their media outlets. Liberals have been completely intellectually vanquished. Actually, they lost the war of ideas long ago. It's just that now their defeat is so obvious, even they've noticed. In an editorial a few years ago, The New York Times gave President Bush credit for democracy sweeping through the Middle East.
Funny, who took control of congress and the senate in 2006?
As for intellectually vanquished, I think it goes to show that the conservative still talk about academics as if it's a swear word and about science as if it's the enemy.
Is the failing US dollar a sign of conservative conquest?
The absence of another 9/11 style terrorist attack in the past six years. The heart of the insurgency in Iraq was, composed of Islamic terrorists who hate the Great Satan, own an overnight bag and are willing to travel to kill Americans. If absolutely nothing changed in Iraq over the next few years, if it didn't continue to get better and if the savages never lost heart by 2010, 6,000 brave American troops will have died to prevent another 9/11 terrorist attack on American soil for a decade.
The absence of a 9/11 in the 6 years prior to 9/11 is an indication that a cause and effect assumption is fraudulent.
Rolling Stone magazine is making fun of "moveon.org" for having no contact with normal Americans. Their Bush-hating cause has become so hopeless that moveon.org is on the verge of actually moving on. The entire country is ignoring liberals.
Glad you're getting your info from reputable sources. While your at it can you tell us what Paris Hilton thinks about world peace? | |
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/4/2007 3:47:16 AM | .
That's the heart of the problem. After throwing the country into turmoil, simply turning and leaving overnight will most likely mean that Iraq will become another failed nation state, like Afghanistan was. That won't do anyone any good whatsoever.
Iraq was a successful nation state under saddam.
It was a failed one the second we in the us started dictating to them.
Thats why its taking them so long to adjust. They now have BIG IOU's to pay off. That is those in power will become the benificiary of great wealth as a result of their position and of course since we are the nice guys who put them there they owe us and have to follow our lead.
That is to set up a corporatocracy in the name of democracy.
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/5/2007 9:27:01 AM | there are certain topics that just bring the loons out of the phycho ward. this one of them. i've seen so many weird, strange and bizarre ideas come on here it stuns me.
WE ARE FIGHTING TERRORISTS. THAT IS ALL WE ARE DOING IN IRAQ.
okay, go back to your padded cell inmates of pof!!
onto the next topic. | |
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/5/2007 10:18:05 AM | WE ARE FIGHTING TERRORISTS. THAT IS ALL WE ARE DOING IN IRAQ.
U.S. military commanders say that insurgents across the country are increasingly motivated more by money than ideology and that a growing number of insurgent cells, struggling to pay recruits, are turning to gangster-style racketeering operations. | |
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/5/2007 10:45:17 AM |
U.S. military commanders say that insurgents across the country are increasingly motivated more by money than ideology and that a growing number of insurgent cells, struggling to pay recruits, are turning to gangster-style racketeering operations
Well those military commander better watch their back or they might find themselves fired as so many others who said truthful things not on the agenda have. | |
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/5/2007 9:06:21 PM | The US/UK invasion of Iraq violated the UN Charter which states that no nation can invade another nation- two exceptions are: a) an invasion sanctioned by UN Council (it didn't sanction invading Iraq) and b) self-defense, because a country is under attack or attack is imminent (imminent = no time for alternative diplomatic solutions etc.). The US was not under attack from Iraq nor was Iraq intending to attack the US imminently, thus the self defense reason did not justify invading Iraq either.
see UN Charter here
http://uncharter.org/
The two actual reasons offered by the US admin to justify invading Iraq were:
A) Iraq had WMD according to US intelligence (faulty). If Iraq did have WMD it would be a violation of a UN sanction.
B) Iraq's violation of other UN sanctions.
Neither reason (A or B) meet UN Charter articles justifying invasion.
The WMD question was being addressed via UN diplomacy and inspections.The UN council alone decides the consequences of sanction violations - not the US. If a UN member nation could justifiably and unilaterally choose to invade another nation because of violations, then many nations could be invading others.....
It's interesting to note that the UN Charter Ceremony was held in California, 1945, fully supported by the US. The UN Charter mission - to "save succeeding nations from the scourge of war" through world governance. That is - every nation must agree to have military action sanctioned by the world.
Great article on site below which looks at the main arguments/fallacious assumptions etc. of the Iraq war ( I listed all seven of them below) - most of these have been offered up as factual on this thread. It's an interesting read.
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0820-04.htm#1
1. A War Against Iraq Would Be Illegal
2. Regional Allies Widely Oppose a U.S. Attack
3. There Is No Evidence of Iraqi Links to Al Qaeda or Other Anti-American Terrorists
4. There Is No Proof that Iraq Is Developing Weapons of Mass Destruction
5. Iraq Is No Longer a Significant Military Threat to Its Neighbors
6. There Are Still Nonmilitary Options Available
7. Defeating Iraq Would Be Militarily Difficult
Conclusion
Great site with articles about the Iraq war from 1993 onwards
http://www.fpif.org/fpifindex/iraq/
article regarding Iraqi perspective on US occupation - Mar 2007
http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4057
best,
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/5/2007 11:30:59 PM | | Ummm Ok?...tha patriot act hasn't changed our lives?..Time to wake up dude, or cut back on your medication...The patriot act has done nothing more than give the police more power to put your ass in jail without telling you why for as long as they like!...bottom line is now anyone can spy on normal everyday Americans when ever they want anytime for any reason no matter if your good or not....It's people with your attitude thats going to turn the ''free world'' into a police state....sorry to say but you need to get your facts straight... ...look into it and do it fast....dare I say SLEEP WALKER....this is what the Nazi's did in Germany with your help...and you call yourself an American...shame on you! line up and get your ID chip too...that wont change things either... | |
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/8/2007 11:36:40 PM | I have to agree with ArtMatters .... there was so much crap slipped in the Patriot Act under the sleepy noses of Congress that it's pathetic. Those of you who think otherwise simply aren't doing your homework.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-cNtAjgesk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SU0zuUzrSg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9TnLJ6Ob3k&feature=related
My thoughts to those who are still sleeping .. wake up. | |
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/8/2007 11:46:14 PM | The time will come when more people will be saying how can they (the govt) get away with what they're doing .. it's quite simple - because they can and we're letting them.
Here's a tidbit more on the "Patriot Act", enjoy.
http://w2.eff.org/patriot/why.php | |
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/9/2007 3:52:12 AM | If you would have invested in the neocon agenda by putting your money into backwater, haliburton and other industries that manufacture equipment for war and procedures for terror, you would be making huge amounts of money now.
Iraq is only the testing grounds for the accounting methods used to siphon off billions from the over-expenditures in black budgets. | |
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/9/2007 7:15:20 AM | the majority of american people support what we are SUPPOSED to be doing in iraq but the majority of people are too weak to want to make the sacrifice necessary to do what we have to do there. so they want out.
they no longer have the courage of world war 2's citizenry in which sacrifice was not a dirty word. thank god we have a strong man like president bush who knows we must stay and fight the terrorists until the iraqi military is strong enough to stand up to them and not buckle. that's right . i said terrorists because that is who the enemy is there. they are not iraqi citizens taking up arms against us. they are enemy combatants who are of radical islamic persuasion that want too kill all americans...women, children and all...if they can get their hands on a suitcase sized dirty bomb to radiate one of our major cities.
president bush's tough foreign policy made iran think twice about developing nukes and i'm glad to hear that they perhaps aren't as eager to make it as they once were.
speak softly but carry a big stick!!! words of wisdom. | |
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/9/2007 7:31:04 AM | CBS Poll: 76% Say War's Going Badly
Record Number In Survey Say Getting Involved In Iraq Was Mistake
a timetable for a U.S. troop withdrawal to the war funding bill, six in 10 Americans would like one. The public also favors setting benchmarks the Iraqi government must meet as a condition for future funding of the war – something that Congress will include in the pending legislation.
The poll also finds a record number of Americans say getting involved in Iraq in the first place was a mistake. Only 35 percent say the U.S. did the right thing by invading Iraq, while 61 percent say the U.S. should have stayed out
What are you a White house press spokesman? | |
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/9/2007 7:50:19 AM | As I figured no response.
Sheeple is a term of disparagement, a portmanteau created by combining the words "sheep" and "people"; a reference to herd mentality. It is often used to denote persons who acquiesce to authority, and thus undermine their own human individuality. The implication of sheeple is that as a collective, people believe whatever they are told, especially if told so by authority figures, without processing it to be sure that it is an accurate representation of the real world around them. The term is generally used in a political or religious sense. | |
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/9/2007 8:42:21 AM | Leanlife- you need to stop confusing these idiots with facts- their blind hatred of the Bush administration and the United States has made them even more irrational than usual. I am sure that many of them would have been happy had Iraq attacked the US before we struck them- and now they are blessed with hindsight to prove their point.
We were attacked on 9/11- it was NOT by Iraq. We were attacked by Islamic fundementalists who aim to end Western civilization. This caused the country to look at things in a different way-at least those interested in this country's safety- and it was decided that we know longer could be on the defensive. Iraq had been a constant threat in the region- had used WMDs on the Kurds, attacked Kuwait, thumbed its nose at the UN- so they were the country we felt threatened most by. Look at the quotes by Clintons, Kerry, Gore and other Dem leaders if you think it was only the GOP- you are wrong!
Iraq was warned that their actions would lead to a military response- they ignored the warnings. Has the war been handled correctly? Absolutely not!!! Bush succumbed to the pressures from the left and the media and did not squash uprisings in the country after the Hussein regime was ended. al Sadr should have been captured or killed soon after he started his crap- al Qaeda should have been dealt with quicker.
My question is- how many American lives need to be lost before the left feels it is OK for the United States to go to war to protect itself???? | |
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/9/2007 8:55:40 AM | Leanlife- you need to stop confusing these idiots with facts- their blind hatred of the Bush administration and the United States has made them even more irrational than usual. I am sure that many of them would have been happy had Iraq attacked the US before we struck them- and now they are blessed with hindsight to prove their point.
We were attacked on 9/11- it was NOT by Iraq. We were attacked by Islamic fundementalists who aim to end Western civilization. This caused the country to look at things in a different way-at least those interested in this country's safety- and it was decided that we know longer could be on the defensive. Iraq had been a constant threat in the region- had used WMDs on the Kurds, attacked Kuwait, thumbed its nose at the UN- so they were the country we felt threatened most by. Look at the quotes by Clintons, Kerry, Gore and other Dem leaders if you think it was only the GOP- you are wrong!
Iraq was warned that their actions would lead to a military response- they ignored the warnings. Has the war been handled correctly? Absolutely not!!! Bush succumbed to the pressures from the left and the media and did not squash uprisings in the country after the Hussein regime was ended. al Sadr should have been captured or killed soon after he started his crap- al Qaeda should have been dealt with quicker.
My question is- how many American lives need to be lost before the left feels it is OK for the United States to go to war to protect itself????
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Other countries and people of other religions have gotten sick of American imperialism.
You reap what you sow.
Blindly letting Israel get away with everything for years didnt help America either. | |
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/9/2007 9:04:36 AM | i believe what I BELIEVE TO BE THE TRUTH. i do not follow bush like a sheep mr numbnuts.
just because you believe something that the president believes does not make someone a sheeple.
in my mind people like you are cowards. not able to rise to the occasion that has made america strong in the past.
I DO NOT AGREE WITH BUSH ON MANY ISSUES.
he's too soft on illegals. way soft.
he's too generous to some for foreign aid.
i don't think new orleans should be bailed out.
the aclu gets too much money.
he doesn't do enought to fight far left interests who would erode christian values.
he's too easy on the moderate islamics. the M.R. should be railing against the rad islamics.
that's off the top of my head.
grow a pair and invest infreedom in the middle-east. it'lll cost lives and money.
so did world war 2 . we are fighting an enemy of ideologs, not for land mr. numbnuts. that means we go to places and fight when it's not all that clear to do so. but fight we must. sacrifices must be made, not only in terms of lives but here at home. coward. | |
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/9/2007 9:10:47 AM | Tomozzo, this one's for you. (BTW, none of us appreciate your resorting to name calling under the guise of voicing your opinion)
Enjoy and best regards.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdZ98LuEUVI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nvbetio4fI&feature=related | |
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/9/2007 9:11:24 AM | You cant impose American culture on people who have their own, and who have one over 2000 years old.
American culture is only 200 years old give or take.
Not everyone wants gung ho Yank democracy.
In many places it just wouldnt work. As we are finding out.
Bush doesnt keep the far right religous nuts in check.
What happened to seperation of church and state? | |
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/9/2007 9:12:50 AM | Tom- I agree with you 100%. I often wonder how WWII would have turned out had we had the same cowardice from the media and the left that we are faced with today. The amount of hatred for the United States and Israel on this site disgusts me- and makes me worry that we aren't as safe as we hoped we were.
We have lost 3,000 plus in Iraq over the course of 4 years, and I do NOT want any American life to be lost. Can you imagine the way the left and the media would handle the loss of life that we suffered in some of the battles of WWII???? D-Day. Okinawa. How many men died there to protect freedom around the world? That is a fact that seems to be lost on the appeasers of today- and those lives WERE lost BECAUSE of the appeasers of that era. | |
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