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 ArtMatters

Joined: 11/22/2007
Msg: 76
Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/9/2007 9:54:10 AM
I can't beleive what I'm reading...All these so called educated well read ...IDIOTS ..
think there's a war going on ...see any bombs dropping? are there any troops running through your streets?.....this is the us gov, blowing its nose all over common sense and reason.... all I saw was an event that knocked down two buildings..and building seven brought down by explosisves....interesting how anyone who can support this admin, have no idea what really happend. The only countries backing this war England also has its brains in the drink....The london 7/7 bombings are as much crap as 911 was...

Whos falling for this shite?...the Bay of Tomkien in Veitnam was the same deal..False flag terrorisim.....The sinking of the Liberty ship...by Israel...same deal ....Wake up!
Your falling for it again!!...Dont sit here trying to argue between yourselves about politics.....IDIOT....Look damit...your voting your enemy into the oval office....Find out who these people are....they were born criminals....they come from criminal families....they make billions from war ...and IDIOTS argue over it...Prscott bush. was a war criminal against the usa....charged and convicted....just to name one of many.

Thier is no war ....your falling for slide of hand.....its called extermination....for profit.

Only a few posts here ,shed light on the FACTS....Its not about political bashing....who cares about the ..reds or the blues....It wont matter who's in power.....its about educating yourself to the FACTS... thats where you'll find TRUTH ...the FACTS.

NOT TO MENTION how many people, police , fire, ambulance, saw and heard explosions going off inside the towers when they fell....and who wired up #7 to take it down that same day?....Larry Silverstine ..the owner of the trade towers picked up BILLIONS from insurance....and who's he buddies with?.....wake up wake up...Stock shares....money money ...not politics...go ahead argue with FACTS....IDIOT...sheesh'
is everyone sleeping?
 OneBlend

Joined: 3/31/2007
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Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/9/2007 10:42:25 AM
Arts, all of us aren't sleeping. (Thank Goodness)
Here's a good article on Silversteins "investment": http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/background/owners.html
Wow.. shall we credit him with intuition or premonition?
I encourage everyone to do a search on Prescott Bush, the Bin Laden family , the Carlye Group, Skull and Bones, Bohemian Grove, BilderbergGroup, which we know does exist .. such a clandestine affair.
Okay I'll stop. OMG, I risk being called an idiot fanatic.
On another note,
I've asked this before and I'll ask it again ..Why do we talk Republicans and Democrats as if they were two different animals?
Sheesh! It's a love affair:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORM75G-Jby4
 tomozzo

Joined: 6/19/2006
Msg: 78
Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/9/2007 10:42:48 AM
artmatters and oneblend
WHEN YOU CALL SOMEONE AN IDIOT BE SURE TO HAVE A MIRROR HANDY.
join the rosie odonnel padded room fan club. there's a straight jacket with your name on it. i can't believe you're an american. we can really do without you. what a joke.jump out of the ufo you're traveling in and join life on earth.
 frankster_p

Joined: 9/4/2005
Msg: 79
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Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/9/2007 10:49:53 AM
Its a persons right to question.
in a real democracy.

Maybe in a fake one like America it isnt?
 OneBlend

Joined: 3/31/2007
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Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/9/2007 11:11:40 AM
I think the suggestion here, Tomazzo, is that everyone do a little detective work (although it requires time and an open mind). It's sad to think no would would question the govt. Survival SHOULD be a human instinct and it's not a secret that predators in high places do exist with their own agenda. Kinda like organized crime - ya think?
 Duckman_2

Joined: 5/15/2007
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Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/9/2007 12:31:06 PM
tomozzo...

You like to call people names who do not agree with you and TRY to come off as someone intelligent...

However,


i don't think new orleans should be bailed out.


New Orleans wasn't bailed out as they were under water for months...


the aclu gets too much money.


The A.C.L.U. doesn't get goverment money...
 Ezzee

Joined: 7/26/2004
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Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/9/2007 1:06:05 PM
I love conspiracy theorists. They make life so much fun. Seriously, all of this talk about conspiracy reminds me of the entire moon landing conspiracy.

Here is a website to debunk just about all of the most commonly used 9/11 conspiracies.

http://www.debunking911.com/quick.htm
 Punkinpie74

Joined: 2/13/2007
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Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/9/2007 4:16:12 PM

The only countries backing this war England also has its brains in the drink....The London 7/7 bombings are as much crap as 911 was...


Brains in the drink, Thanks, as for the 7/7 bombings and the 9/11 crap, I don't think so and to suggest otherwise is an insult to all those who died.

I'm of the opinion that regardless of what the truth of why the Allied forces are out there, we are never going to get the truth, not from the American government or the British government, so we can keep harping on as to why we out there, the truth we are not going to get it, at the end of the day the troops are out there, they are putting up with more shit that most of us know about, and they need to know that people at home are behind them. Facts of the matter are doesn't matter who is government, in America democrats or Republicans, In Britain Labour, Conservative or Lib Dem's, they all talk out their arse, not one of them gives a shit unless it is lining their own pockets, and at the end of the day each politician is going to use to their advantage what the people feel strongly about the most. For example very few of us want our service personal out their, we all want them home. So politicians jump onto that band wagon, but if the people degreed that our forces should be out there, better believe that is the band wagon the politicians would be on. But as I said the truth we are never going to get it, so we may as well face facts, it's like asking what is the truth behind JFK death, or was Princess Diana's death an assignation or just a tragic accident. So except the fact we are not going to get the truth of the matter and just support the forces out their for the exceptional job they do under difficult circumstances.
 ArtMatters

Joined: 11/22/2007
Msg: 84
Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/9/2007 4:25:40 PM
Like I said look...look at who killed them.....keep listening to Robert Murdocks media...and good luck ...They died at the hands of the real killers..Multi Trillion dollar defence system,of the free world run by Mickey Mouse and Twinkle toes...I was in England one month ago....they got cameras all over the place...you cant walk one block without being on one...does that make you feel better...dont pull that crap on me ...use the dead as wepons against common sense...go back to sleep
 Montreal_Guy

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Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/9/2007 4:27:19 PM

So except the fact we are not going to get the truth of the matter and just support the forces out their for the exceptional job they do under difficult circumstances.


The truth is indeed out there, from multiple sources, all verifiable. This includes government documents, official ones, as well as insiders speaking out. Those all serve to reinforce the evidence , and buttress the argument on all sides.

Taken together, although they may not reveal all the facts, they reveal enough of them to make some quite logical and factual conclusions. You won't get many of those facts published by US or British sources. One has to find a less biased source than those, and a more independent one.

Doing that is also needed, when one supports the troops. Failure to do so only exposes them to more risk and strain.
 OneBlend

Joined: 3/31/2007
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Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/9/2007 6:48:39 PM
Ohhhhh ... some people out there still never even heard of The Real ID Act under the disguise of homeland security and are totally oblivious to this very controversial, "snuck-in under our noses" legislation (which implementation has been postponed until December 2009). It goes hand in hand with all the people survelience mechanisms that are popping up everywhere. It goes hand in hand with a policed state. A good example of how far things are being pushed over here is in the article below on "Operation Lucky Bag" which was recently carried out in New York. Since when was entrapment legal or moral?
Sorry to get off subject .. as far as I'm concerned it's all concenrated efforts for this one world order bullshit and we need not go silently like the trusting lambs.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2007/12/06/2007-12-06_nypd_says_operation_lucky_bag_stings_hav.html

Doors open .. take your best shot.
 ArtMatters

Joined: 11/22/2007
Msg: 87
Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/9/2007 7:09:40 PM
Support the troops...well lets see here.
If I was the type of person who thinks killing innocent women and kids, was cool, destroying a countrys infrastructure was cool. telling my country that ''our'' war on freedom is going to cost the tax payers trillions of dollars per year was cool...at the expence of health care, jobs, hospitals, education, medicare, ....that to support my troops was going to mean giving up my freedom of speech, privacy,
That it meant, I no longer have the right to protest against my rights being taken away.
That it meant I had to swallow lies being told to me through the media and not question why I have to.....and if I do question, I'm called a conspiracy nut....
Well in that case ...I love to be called a conspiracy nut...I would love a padded room at the Hilton...at least I will know what the truth is and get three squares a day...

So no I wont support the troops...Not when they do stuff like this...

Tell me if this was a conspiracy?...
.
(two British SAS...soldiers dressed up as Arabs, loaded a car full of explosives and wepons. and started shooting at unarmed Iraqi civilians in Basra.....They were caught and held in a prison...this all happend days after the US and British troops took control of the area of Basra....So why did they do this?......Think ....or do I have to tell you that too...Before these soldiers could be brought before a world court...British armored vehicles backed by helicopter gunships burst through the walls of the jail to free the two commandos detained there.....So is this a CONSPIRACY?

check into it...buried way in the back pages...out of mainstreem media...
Washington post.
BBC.
CBC.
Aljazeera
Guardian. UK
Go ahead support your troops....and call these men a few bad apples...yeah ok...
top army men ..giving orders to 20 year old green soldiers to shoot and kill innocent women and kids while they are in their homes? ...tough job ...while holding M16 machine guns backed by heli, gun ships...and A.Waxs. commanding from the air...
justify justify....go ahead and keep justifying this war in your heads...it will all be ok in the morning once you take your anti dipressants.


This madness has to stop....or get yourself ready for a new way of life....with a camera up your out hole....and a new reason you wont have any freedom to think or do or say what you want....line up and get your free vacination here while they last and have a nice sleep....
 jenny68

Joined: 10/22/2006
Msg: 88
Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/9/2007 7:19:02 PM
Because our President took us there and it seems the reason he said was not true and we have lost many young men and women and we are in for many years to come and it will break $$ America USA and so many of our young people are without limbs and cripples and It makes me so sad,
 OneBlend

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Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/9/2007 8:49:17 PM
I support the young men out there who didn't know what they were getting into. I support bringing them home ALIVE and in one piece. We hear how many have died yet very seldom do we hear how many have come back with brain injury, post traumatic stress disorder, limbless, blind, the countless young men who have committed suicide over there and after they returned. We're not even told the numbers of the ones who were injured and flown out to die in a hospital out of the country.

We forget (or do not know) that many young fellows, and I know a few of my son's friends, were enticed into joining the services in hopes of an education - to learn a trade. We watched them go believing they'd have a promising future ( a decent job) on their return .. just how many will return? The ones that do come home, what should they do? Chase the jobs that went overseas or to Mexico?
And what do the injured have to return to? Veteran's hospitals that are overwhelmed, understaffed and can't accomodate the masses of injured? You mean to tell me no one thought of this? Chances are they'll be tossed into the street after their heroes welcome as many others have in the past. It's a damn shame.
The greed of those in power and how they're trying to mislead us is unconscienable.
 ArtMatters

Joined: 11/22/2007
Msg: 90
Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/9/2007 11:32:28 PM
Yes ..this is the truth about military recruiters. They will tell young women and men anything to join...Usually they can be found in lower income areas or economically challenged states. Standing in front of a Wall Mart...The numbers game is what they like to play..Not to get off topic here, but these are the realities of war. Vietnam was a war very similar to whats going on now...The ones who do come home are quickly forgotten by their ''company''
Sent to a Vet hospital, put on anti depressants, and sent out to work in some dive restaurant. Just ask any Vietnam Vet. how they were treated after getting Agent Orange Syndrome...

Depleted Uranium Syndrome ..is very real and very dangerous. Its affects last for decades. ..The shell casings lying all over the ground in Kosovo and Bosnia has left the women and men of the area unable to produce normal babies....Its horrific.

Iraq will end up the same way...and its already starting...But thats all fine and dandy as long as we keep up the fight on terror right Billy Bob! Yo Ho lets go! kills and spills fun for the whole family!!...You feeling safe yet?
 Merc4aGoodCause

Joined: 2/10/2006
Msg: 91
Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/9/2007 11:40:24 PM
Why is America fighting in Iraq?

Ah finally the right question. For starters lets just say we are interested in a real stability in the middleast. Why the midleast and not Africa? Well of course oil is an issue but it goes beyond that. And Im gonna lay it out to you step by step.

9/11 happens. There is a realization by some within the goverment that two things need to happen.
a) the immediate threat and leadership of Al-Queda and the immediate organization needs to be dealt with
b) the conditions that fuel terrorism need to be at least mitigated.

These conditions I refer to come out of an area that poses the greatest amount of threat. I speak of the middleeast. Now Bin Laden is in Afghanistan- but he doesnt recruit the hijackers from his neck of the woods. Why? Because the 18 arab suicide bombers are more reliant than radicals from East Asia. You have to take into account that the culture of Al-Queda varies across the continent. Under the Taliban, the radicals in Afghanistan are trained to fight the west traditionally. But it is the middleeast, that grooms suicide bombers under the cultural emphasis in martyrdom.
And as we have seen martyrdom can create more choas than a few men with ak-47 assult rifles. The hijackers were personally picked by Bin Laden and his top associates, for good reason, it was an investment for him and he wanted to see the operation succeed. Hence he picked these arabs, most of which are from Suadi Arabia.

So our leadership asks how can we mitigate/ deal with this culture of martyrdom which has the ability to wreck so much havoc in such a strike. Well we take a look at the middleeast and question why this martyrdom thrives. Esentially it comes down to these clerics holding so much sway b/c the people who follow these guys don't have much to lose. Economically speaking the people have little, and this plays into the hands of the clerics. And the people don't have a voice in society, so how else can one yield so much power- the answer is militancy. Combine this with Radical Islam and its a dangerous mix. Now remember that those who are willing to die for Jihad are well aware that this type of asymetric warfare has been very successful recently. Iran's use of suicide bombers against Iraq (which was backed by both superpoers at the time) was instramental in holding Iraq out, and the suicide bombing in Beruit resulted in the US pulling out of Lebanon. In the very least it will at least grab headlines which is equally as important (take the bombing of the US base in Saudi). So these people know that they can have a huge impact. Its preached to them. So the plan is get democracyin there. And with the democracy comes better chances of prosperity for the nation at large (this is why President Bush is pushing for the oil wealth to be socialized) . These two factors will not eliminate terrorism, but certainly will mitigate it.

So here's the issue at this point. 19 bombers- but they are from Saudi Arabia. So how do we end up in Iraq? why was Iraq chosen? Here is what I believe to be the rationale of choices.

Saudi Arabia- even though the bombers came from Saudi, Saudi is not a good option. The goverment is friendly towards the United States and is actually pushing for reform. You have to remember that the king can only push so far at a given time before the radicals get enough power and influence to push him out. But he was doing what he could. Furthermore attacking a friendly goverment is beyind any comprehension- especially in the diplomatic arena. Is oil the factor- probably not, but it certainly would cause choas in world markets if the flow was disrupted (greater than Iraq)

Syria- even though there is high rhetoric towards Syria the administration realizes Syria is not a good starting point. First they are a UN country (one of the 15 countries in the governing round). Secondly, Saddam would have been problematic.
And thirdly the rest of the arab goverments would have been more vehemently against a campaign in Syria than a campaign in Iraq.

Iran- Iran militarily is a much harder target than Iraq. Its much bigger and the Iranians had recently proved the extent they would go to fight (Iran-Iraq war). Aside from this Iran already has a sizable pro-democracy movement. And since Iran is nearly entirely shi'ite- the compatibility factor with Al-Queda is non-existant (although they do support hezbollah which is suppoed to have cells in the United States). But i believe that the administration knows that the Ayatollah is much more rational than most would suppose him to be, and the rest of Iran for that matter.

Iraq- So it comes down to Iraq. And if anywhere to start there is no better place. Its run by a ruthless dictator. The population of the country is moderate in the Islamic world. We were already commited to the no-fly zone, so if we set Iraq up it would eliminate this commitment. Iraq's military was cripled by sanctions and was a much easier military target. Iran- next door, had the democracy movement going and can only be encouraged by a democracy next door, especially an economically prosperous Iraq. Furthermore, sympathy for the Iraqi regime was less than it would be for any other country, due to Saddam's ambitions for Kuwait, and his threatning gestures towards Saudi. The Persians next door didn't cry in seeing him leave either. And there were also beliefs, that although did not end up to be true, fed into the line of reasoning. The adminstration didnt believe a sizable insurgency would form. It was suppose to be a rather easy undertaking in their eyes.

So why was the weapons of mass destruction line used?

Well, to some degree I believe that the administration believed that some chemical processing was taking place. Its not terribly difficult and theres no way to tell if Iraq had it and destroyed it before the invasion. But the administration could not come out and say they were taking out Saddam to start a democratic movement in the Middleast:

A) President Bush could not garner the political capital for Iraq based on the argument that democracy needed to brought the middleast
B) The domestic support for the above certainly would not be there. Because the citizenry are not familiar with the everyday threats they are faced with, something simple had to be fed to them. The average everyday citizen cannot make the connection between democracy and fighting terrorism.
C) And just as important- if not more so- is that you cannot say your aiming to bring democracy to the middleast when you have friendly goverments who are in the room, who themselves run authoritarian goverments (Saudi, Egypt, Jordan). It would be like having a friend in the room who was gay while shouting that you cannot stand homosexuality. This is called political suicide.

So we are in Iraq now. It has not gone as origonally planned. Its harder than we thought. But are these goals to be abandoned. Well I think that there is a realization that these goals are attainable, but they are long term goals. Iraq will take time to settle. The change within the middleeast will take decades, perhaps a century. And its not going to be smooth. The hornet's nest of radicalism will be stirred up and for a time, more radicals will be swarming- as is when any nest is attacked- but when the dust finally settles, fewer extremists will be able to hide in a country that is democratically driven. And although there are problems with corruption in Iraq, the economy is growing. Its growing well, and to this extent Iraq is begining to come into having something , and as this someting- this wealth grows, Iraq as a society will have something big to lose. This is what we as Americans want. We need these people to have somthing to cherish- a life worth living.
 OneBlend

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Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/10/2007 12:17:06 AM
Arts, my Canadian neighbor, do you mind if Tomozzo puts me in the padded room at the Hilton with you? Hell, lets invite all who are capable of critical thinking or thinking in general.
 Punkinpie74

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Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/10/2007 10:55:33 AM

Support the troops...well lets see here.
If I was the type of person who thinks killing innocent women and kids, was cool, destroying a countries infrastructure was cool. telling my country that ''our'' war on freedom is going to cost the tax payers trillions of dollars per year was cool...at the expense of health care, jobs, hospitals, education, Medicare, ....that to support my troops was going to mean giving up my freedom of speech, privacy,


Support the troops, you are right lets see

Young men and women join the armed forces, In the States God and country and all that, In Britain, Queen and country, either way they sign the dotted line that says they will serve their country, they will go where their government sends them, regardless of what the reasons are, regardless of whether they agree with being sent there, they do their job the one they have been ordered to do, and who are we to fault that. Did I agree with my government sending British Troops out to Iraq, NO, did I agree with all this Weapons of Mass destruction, did I believe it, NO, But just like American Troops, British Troops went into Iraq on the orders of their government, DO I support my government, Good God NO, do I think it is a weak arse government that has taken my country and put us in a situation that had nothing to do with us, Hell YES, Have British civilians lost their lives due to my government YES, due to my government we now have Home grown terrorism, but in saying that terrorism isn't something new to this country, but at the same time, my government just like your government for whatever reason took my country into a situation that has spiraled out of control. Could we see it happening, the average Joe on the street could see this wouldn't end well, all you have to do is look at the History of the Middle East, and how fanatical Islam can be, no this wasn't going to end well, but I still take my hat off to those troops out their doing a job that I don't want to do, and a fair few people don't like them for. They are doing what they have been ordered to do they have gone into a country on the orders of our governments. I'm not saying certain armed forces personal haven't done things that go against my own moral fiber, and as such they should be Justly punished, but in comparison to just how many troops are out there, I'm sure that is a small number. And I have to say the majority of civilian deaths out in Iraq be they innocent victims have been caused by insurgents. If you want to hold anyone responsible for the fiasco out in the Middle east, don't blame the troops, blame our governments, Regardless of what you believe the truth to be.. Like I already said, I never did believe the reasons Blair gave or Bush gave to go into Iraq, Just like the first time, this time was oil, and that is what I believe, but we will never get to the truth of it. So I don't worry about it, Governments come and go, but each one talk outs there arse. And soldiers sailors marines air force go where they are told, and for that I'll take my hat off to them.
And for all those who come back injured or suffering from Post Traumatic Stress, or any other form of injury, they deserve the support of their government and their country, instead of being side line and forgotten about, they deserve the best medical care and support that we have. Whatever your personal believes are, how can you hold the armed forces responsible for the decision and the actions of a government.
 stratdiggerr

Joined: 9/17/2007
Msg: 94
Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/10/2007 12:05:54 PM
We are fighting in Iraq because there are terrorist there. If they weren't there to fight, then the war would be over. If you would rather we would fight them somewhere else, please, just let us know where and we will ask the terrorist to go where you would like them to be.
 ArtMatters

Joined: 11/22/2007
Msg: 95
Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/10/2007 12:53:26 PM
Your not paying ATTENTION!....Two as in the number 2...British SAS..commandos dressed up as Arab's...loaded a car full of explosives..and started shooting at unarmed civilians!...Caught and put in jail.....!!!What do you call these men?... do the research..or is this also a conspiracy?

All I can figure is you people cant handle the truth..It will rock your mickey mouse world....What will it take? ...For you to bounce off a brick wall before you find out your asleep at the wheel...
 stratdiggerr

Joined: 9/17/2007
Msg: 96
Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/10/2007 1:29:40 PM
The truth! The truth! lol. What was their names again. Let's see, hmmm, one was "Mulder" and the other....

You guys are trying to get cast on the the new "X files" lol.
 jetpowered unicycle

Joined: 9/29/2007
Msg: 97
Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/10/2007 2:22:38 PM
we are fighting in Iraq because there are terrorists there.If they weren't there
to fight,then the war would be over.If you would rather,we would fight them somewhere else,please,just let us know where and we will ask the terrorist to go where you would like them to be.

Poster is not well informed relies ,as usual,on an agency or a policy telling them who to hate and who to be afraid of this is the same trick used to start and prolong war; fear and hate,as aweapon.
As to why we are really there despite the programmed message of delivering peace and democracy the truth is if there were not resources that stronger nations want ,The war is for resources it is an unfortunate fact that people are there and in the way of capturing and harvesting the resources that a country wants.If we lived solely off trees
we would invade Canada.
Poster should study history and foreign cultures instead of current events that would lead to knowledge which would lead to understanding and forming better policy and political ideas of how to deal with the issues that lead to radical thinking and social suppression ,which may make desperate people to do desparate acts.
You needn't ask a suppressed person(terrorist) to go, if they are forced from one area or some get killed the rest will move to another area and recruit other suppressed desparate people to do desparate acts.
Soldiers and terrorists are not so different they are usually both socially ,economically
repressed youths who need money and are taken advantage of by authoritarian people who promise them a way out of the situation
 stratdiggerr

Joined: 9/17/2007
Msg: 98
Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/10/2007 2:28:21 PM
Japan was and still is a foriegn culture. they grew up. so can Iraq
 Punkinpie74

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Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 12/10/2007 2:55:27 PM

Your not paying ATTENTION!....Two as in the number 2...British SAS..commandos dressed up as Arab's...loaded a car full of explosives..and started shooting at unarmed civilians!...Caught and put in jail.....!!!What do you call these men?... do the research..or is this also a conspiracy?

All I can figure is you people cant handle the truth..It will rock your mickey mouse world....What will it take? ...For you to bounce off a brick wall before you find out your asleep at the wheel...



I read what you wrote, and as i said, there are troops out there who have done things and have been justly punished, but in saying that the SAS situation I can't comment on because I know nothing about it, to be perfectly honest the SAS, is an elite force within the British Army, and unless you are with the SAS not much is known about them not if you are a civiy which i am.
Look you have your opinion, which I whole heartily disagree with, As for conspiracy's did you read any of my post, Rock my mickey mouse world, the truth, what is the truth, what you want it to be conspiracy theory an all, or what is happening, you can go round in circles for an eternity without ever getting to bottom of the barrel, what are the real reasons we went in. We all Know the speal, to bring Democracy to Iraq, take down a dictator bla bla bla, we have all heard it so many times, they think they say it enough the people will start believing it, it comes down to politics and money that is the truth of the matter, who's pockets can be lined the most, but it ain't the average solider who is only doing his job, it will be people in your government, people in my government, and once again how can you hold the average forces personal responsible for the decisions and actions of your government and my government.
I'm not blind to what is going on, but nor will i blame the armed forces personal for the actions of my government. And nor will i hold to account the armed forces personal for the actions of others. Power and greed are the primary force behind going into Iraq, what is the old saying Power corrupts but absolute power corrupts absolutely, so take the finger pointing and start wagging it at your government, and mine.
 VolcanoBoy

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THE REAL REASON
Posted: 12/10/2007 3:12:53 PM
The US is still fighting in Iraq the same reason they are overtaxed and the economy is failing.

Americans are too comfortable to take action. The people safe at home are willfully ignorant cowards and fear their government even though they have nothing to fear in comparison to the blatant crimes committed against dissent in OTHER Countries.

If it was my country I would made consistent effort.

The finger should point no more at the government than at yourselves. You could take action. It would cost you some money sure, but in other countries people paid much steeper costs in their protest. You have it easy and STILL do NOTHING.

It will cost you money, but to not take action because of that is EXACTLY the same as the corporations who protect their interests because of money.
You will get angry because you know you're too comfortable.
Cowards. How can you think you Deserve Freedom?
Freedom is not a right. It does not fall in your lap! It is earned.

You outnumber the true enemy by tens of millions.
Republic? Democracy? Prove it.
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Unless of course you think there is no corruption.
But you are not the majority at all. At least recognize that.

In short you protesters may as well say what you mean:
"Sure the gov't is corrupt but it isn't worth taking a break from
harry potter, world of warcraft, and watching porn"
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