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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 2/3/2008 12:02:56 PM | are you stupid or just ignorant?we cant drill here,we cant build anymore refineries,not a single nuclear power plant has been biult since the 90s
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Its been 30 years since a new nuke was built.
I posted this on another op but it seems to fit here.
I just sick of this same old crap about refinery and tree huggers. How about Gold Plated CEO's.....
We are in Iraq because of special interest.....
I think your going to need to talk the heads of BIG OIL about that new refinery thing.
There is no shortage of capacity!
I wonder if they don't have an interest in not adding capacity. You know the free market, or are you suggesting a socialist plan that we build these refineries?
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Over the last quarter-century, the number of refineries in the United States dropped to 149, less than half the number in 1981. Because companies have upgraded and expanded their aging operations, refining capacity during that time period shrank only 10 percent from its peak of 18.6 million barrels a day. At the same time, gasoline consumption has risen by 45 percent.
Gasoline demand is forecast to rise 39 percent by 2025, to 12.9 million barrels a day, up from today's 9.3 million barrels, according to a long-term outlook by the Energy Information Administration. By then, gasoline alone will account for nearly half the crude oil consumed in the United States.
By contrast, domestic refining capacity is expected to grow only by 0.8 percent from 2005 to 2007, slightly less than the 0.9 percent increase registered between 1998 and 2004, according to Jacques Rousseau, an oil analyst with the investment banker Friedman, Billings, Ramsey.
Jay Saunders, who follows oil companies for Deutsche Bank, said that the increase in refining margins would lead to increased capacity. "The industry is definitely going to overbuild," he said, "they have in the past and they will in the future."
Others caution that the industry should be wary of recreating a glut of capacity that would cause profit margins to sink again. "Refining has been a cyclical business for a long time," said Bill Hauschildt, the vice president for global refining with Chevron Texaco. "In the past few years, there's been much more discipline in the market for not overbuilding capacity."
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=12227
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Nuclear power?
Dam tree huggers, so short sighted. Price-Anderson Act?
What if Mohamed Atta on 9-11 attacked Indian Point? The east coast would be very different today. He thought there were air defense missiles there. Still no air defense and very shabby security. That is an expense, and reality we don't discuss.
stupid or just ignorant?
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 2/3/2008 12:37:37 PM | | i would say stupid,because the american people can do it all themselves,we have all the resourses this country needs,the name of the thread is why are we in iraq.freakin oil pal.and us americans arent smart enough to beat that threat?we could topple the whole middle east if we didnt have to buy oil.just say,hey guys,nice knowing ya,we dont need you anymore,oh yeah and by the way,our military is home and protecting our borders.i feel we should head in that direction | |
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 2/3/2008 1:15:26 PM | By invading Iraq, America has created a new generation of terrorists.
Meaning the children of those innocent Iraqi civilians are dead due to Ameican bombardment of places like Fallujah mercilessly.
Or just by not understanding the Arabic language, the merciless shooting of American soldiers at the cars of Iraqi civilians who again had nothing to do with terrorism.
Since those Iraqi children have no parents any more, they will obviously be recruited by the Jihadist organisations. And through out their childhood, they will be told that America killed their parents and they must seek revenge.
Iraq is finished forever. Those children will grow up hating America so much. Iraq is not like Vietnam. Unlike other cultures, Arabs don't forget.
Thanks to Mr. Bush for making permanent enemies and for making the world a little bit more dangerous place in years to come. | |
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 2/3/2008 2:50:19 PM | oh god you people are futile and unconvincable about a threat to the us.........ok lets pull out everyone right now and sit back to see what happens.lets do it,you think filling your tank for 60 bucks is bad?well all you tree huggers out there could have changed this if we could drill in anwar and the rest of the country,you wonder why were in the middle east?are you stupid or just ignorant?we cant drill here,we cant build anymore refineries,not a single nuclear power plant has been biult since the 90s,the whole war in iraq,is because we dont have the balls to do it ourselves,we should be ashamed
your complete lack of knowledge is astounding. of course, that's what comes from believing the disinformation put out on fox news.
REALITY lad. the ONLY reason that gas costs so much is because exxon mobil made $48 billion profit last year. there is no excuse whatsoever for it. the oil companies have shut down refineries and refused to build new ones for the sole purpose of creating fictional shortages.
no rational person would suggest that the oil companies have any right whatsoever to be making the profits that they have by robbing the american people. | |
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 2/3/2008 10:08:51 PM | | just looked at that thread again,lol,fox news?gimmie a break,i read books,i dont watch tv,pretty lame defense,lol,like nbc isnt slanted,whatever,thats what bush would say,lol | |
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 2/4/2008 2:25:27 PM | Don't want to leave a vacuum in Iraq, Don't want Iran invading Iraq and taking over the oil resources.
Lets get Iraq and its citizens prepared to defend their country. Then we can leave
One Army brigade and two Marine battalions have already returned home and will not be replaced. Four other Army brigades are to depart by July, leaving 15 brigades, or roughly 130,000 to 135,000 troops in Iraq. Those troops were part of Bush's 2007 escalation to confront a steep rise in violence, especially in Baghdad.
We will be out by 2010, well mostly out | |
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 2/4/2008 3:57:23 PM |
Don't want to leave a vacuum in Iraq, Don't want Iran invading Iraq and taking over the oil resources.
Lets get Iraq and its citizens prepared to defend their country.
The USA toppled a Sunni-led government in Iraq that were enemies of their Shiite neighbors, Iran. Don't you people read?
Iran has been the big winner in this fiasco. That's why the US has had to backtrack and try to make amends with Sunnis.
To err is human. To really screw up, you need a Republican. | |
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 2/4/2008 5:23:18 PM |
The USA toppled a Sunni-led government in Iraq that were enemies of their Shiite neighbors, Iran. Don't you people read? Iran has been the big winner in this fiasco. That's why the US has had to backtrack and try to make amends with Sunnis. To err is human. To really screw up, you need a Republican
Well the Sunni were Saddams choosen ones, those are the ones that made up Saddams Republican Guard and his Henchmen.
The murdered many of the Shiite's and they were on the verge of Cival War if not for the surge to surround the cities and protect the Sunni's from retaliation by the Shiite's supported by Iran.
It has just now started calming down and both sides are taking baby steps to work together for a better Iraq.
The Kurds have also got involved and they are trying to work together. We leave Iran will support the Shiite and the Cival War is on
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 2/4/2008 6:00:23 PM | It has calmed down because there has been ethnic cleansing of neighbourhoods and mass exodus from Iraq. It's calmed down because the surge means more enforcement but there still is no viable plan for ensuring a peaceful country when the US troops leave.
Not all Sunnis were in the Republican Guard and not all of the military had to be purged. That was an enormous blunder that has created many new enemies.
Yes, Hussein was a tyrant, and I'm glad he's dead, but few in the USA cared about the Kurds or Saddam's other enemies who were killed while Iraq was an American ally. The occassional do-gooder or church group would pass out pamphlets protesting Saddam in the 1980s but the vast majority of Americans were oblivious and industry, American and otherwise, were only too glad to supply that **stard's needs and wants. | |
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 2/4/2008 6:23:26 PM | Reasons for less violence.
Sader called a truce.
We are training and arming the Sunni's that were insurgents.
Most of the Ethnic cleansing is finished. There used to be Christians in Iraq.
The BUSH SURGE....... no I think the Shinseki Battle Plan.
The one that got him FIRED, Cost 5 years, a few dead, and Billions.
Abizaid, before the Senate Armed Services Committtee, acknowledged that with hindsight, Shinseki was correct a larger post-war force was needed.
Rummie stuck to us.
McCain said we could stay for 100 years. | |
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| Creating a more subserviant , martial law state, backed by a neocon fascist dictatorship
Posted: 2/4/2008 6:51:34 PM |
To get rid of a dictator who was gassing and killing his people, free the people of Iraq from his grip.
Just who helped him?
In January 1998, President Clinton warned America it must "confront the new hazards of chemical and biological weapons, and the outlaw states, terrorists and organized criminals seeking to acquire them."
However, in the Iraq-Iran war of the 1980s, Washington had backed Saddam Hussein. According to US Senate Committee reports in 1994, private American companies, under application and licensing by the US Department of Commerce, supplied Hussein with chemical and biological weapons ingredients. Hussein was using chemical weapons against Iranians.
US officials today speak as if Hussein's WMDs were a tremendous threat. In the 1980s, these officials were quite happy to see him using them to annihilate Iranians.
Total casualties in the Iran-Iraq War for both sides is estimated by numerous sources to be at least 1,000,000, including 500,000-600,000 Iranians.
Iranians had overthrown the US-backed dictator Shah Pahlavi, and were now seen as varmints in need of extermination. Poison gas was just the thing to get the job done.
Michael Clodfelter reports Iran's casualties in the Iran-Iraq War were at least 450,000 killed, 600,000 wounded, and 45,000 prisoners, with the total killed possibly as high as 730,000, and 1.2 million wounded.
US foreign aid to Saddam Hussein was used on Iraqis, too. The poison gas was used to exterminate Iraqi Kurds and Iraqi Shiites.
Human Rights World Report 2004 estimates that "in the last twenty-five years of Ba`th Party rule the Iraqi government murdered or 'disappeared' some quarter of a million Iraqis, if not more."
Following the Iran-Iraq War of the 1980s, the Iraqi and Kuwaiti governments quarreled, and US officials sided with the Kuwaitis. In the resulting Gulf War One, casualties numbered at least 100,000 Iraqis killed, but the count runs as high as 150,000.
In the aftermath of this war, during the international embargo against Iraqis that began in 1990, accepted estimates of Iraqi deaths (mostly children under the age of five) run as high as 500,000, from malnutrition and other illnesses resulting from deprivation. By 1999, the UN made much higher estimates: as many as a million Iraqis, mostly children, had died under the US-enforced sanctions.
Before the US began backing Saddam Hussein (because he was killing Iranians), oil-rich Iraq was one of the most affluent and modern places in the Mideast. Said U.N. special envoy Prakash Shah, "People were clearly much more prosperous, their lifestyle was much better, their health was clearly much more healthy. You didn't see beggars, for example, on the streets, or either women or children begging on the streets or near the mosque as you do now."
http://www.chaostan.com/why2.html
Any wonder why Iran is next? Uncle Saddam couldn't do it.... Maybe Uncle Sam can. | |
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 2/4/2008 10:00:41 PM | While I do agree with your reply, there is a document that is available to all if they are interested in doing some research. Google PNAC- PROJECT FOR A NEW AMERICAN CENTURY. NOTE- FULL SPECTRUM DOMINANCE NOTE-SIGNATORIES TO THIS DOCUMENT, WOLFOWITZ ,CHANEY,KISSINGER (BUSH advisor) , and many more names you will recognize.
THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX IS alive and growing in the USA.
BUSH is cutting back on domestic spending and increasing MILITARY budget.
President EISENHOWER warned about the MIC when he left office. I might add he was General and commander of all allied forces in Europe during the invasion at Normandy. | |
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 2/5/2008 9:10:12 AM | America is fighting in Iraq to protect the British from invasion from a bunch of radical Muslims.
The British gave of much of the intellegence that got the war started. So Canada, don't leave out your home boys.
They are as deep into Iraq as we are.
I am glad we are there trying to make a better country.
Glad Saddam is gone, Glad we ensure there are no WMDs. Glad we have not been attacked in 7 years
Better to fight the enemy in their countries than ours. | |
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 2/5/2008 9:34:34 AM | "oh god you people are futile and unconvincable about a threat to the us"
>>>our infrastructure hasn't been invested in, our health care solution is to take pills, not prevent disease, and our daily threat is external not internal?
"ok lets pull out everyone right now and sit back to see what happens."
>>>right now, while the Shi'a have a peace treaty so their Golden Brigade can clean house like the Gestapo, and the Sunni insurgency is going after al Quada b/c we aren't attacking them anymore but paying them $300 to work for us, it would have been a great time to pull out.
But, to move all that crap we brought in over the last 4 years, in a few months time? Just to move the tanks, its cheaper to haul 'em on trucks than to turn the key and drive 'em. and again, this assumes no one is gonna shoot at us while we convoy to the Saudi border. Think the last scene in Road Warrior :)
Most of our gas doesn't come from the MidEast, b/c its cheaper to ship it from our neighbors Canada, Mexico, Alaska (remember the BP email saying they were shipping oil from Alaska to China, rather than to California when Enron was strangling the 8th largest economy in the world for electricity, b/c they could sell it for more in China?) and Venezuala.
So, if oil is expensive, you should ask...why are our neighbors screwing us? why aren't the oil companies not building more oil refineries (is it really due to the regulations, or is it b/c building more refineries means fewer go down for "maintainance" in the spring, when demand goes up?)? Why is Jeb Bush so unwilling to build oil wells off his state of Florida, to tap the Gulf of Mexico? why aren't we drilling off of Cuba, since they are near the oil fields of GoM?
As for Anwar, if it really had that much oil, we wouldn't need a Stategic Oil Reserve--which oddly enough, GB43 keeps buying oil for when prices are high. why would a former oil man do that?
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 2/5/2008 6:12:33 PM | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
To steal their oil.
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They needed another place to put new military bases. Saudi doesn't want them in their country anymore. Nice allies aren't they? I wonder why the US didn't invade them as the majority of 9/11 terrorists were Saudi?
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C05E2DA1338F935A25752C0A9649C8B63&n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/People/L/Levin,%20Carl
So they are building some nice shiny new ones in Iraq. Still think they will pull out of there after spending billions to build them?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/21/AR2005052100611.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11072377/ | |
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 2/6/2008 6:39:26 AM | ---Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?---
Simple, for the money and power. 911 was just and excuse used with the extreme emotionalism of the catastrophe to force America and England to cash in on the oil. Ya see ladies and gentlemen its always been that way. Those who have want more and those who don't lose out. It amazes me to see this type of stupidity.
I can still remember many yrs back, that Hussien was in the cookie jar with the terrorist. Now Hussien is gone and wheres the proof, he was tried for other matters not relating to TERRORISM or the BOGEYMAN. Now its not the terrorist or WMD that they didn't find, so lets move on and create a new agenda for us being here, but now anyone who opposes the US and Britain in Iraq is a terrorist (no protesting please that represents freedoms), or part of Al Qaeda. Now the agendas changed from the real reason, these buffoons have created new reasons pushed on to you buy there contacts in the media and accepted and the real reason forgotten.
Now you got Blackwater Mercenary Corporation actively in Iraq and not answering to the
Military Establishment, but from who. Who is giving Blackwater the authority. Is it really Blackwater doing the terrorism in Iraq to ensure chaos so you cannot leave what mess you started until Iran falls. | |
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 2/6/2008 8:50:08 AM | There's no good reason for America to continue the war in Iraq.
Whatever "objectives" we sought to obtain have been achieved (Saddam's being deposed,weakening Iraq)...have been miserable failures (Bring democracy to the Arab World,stabilizing the region)...or will become miserable failures (a long-term military presence in the region,a stable government in Iraq).
The longer we stay...the more our presence seems like hubris.
Time to cut our losses...and cut and run.
While the cutting is still good... | |
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 2/6/2008 10:34:51 AM | | cut and run?lol,wheres the common sense in that?we leave,iran comes in and takes over their ''calafate'',and continues to take over all the oil in the middle east.then were at 500 a barrel and our economy sinks,congrats osama,you did it | |
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 2/6/2008 10:46:51 AM | ^^^^^
The word is caliphate.
And since there's still animosity between Iran and Iraq from the First Gulf War and since the Iranians are not Arabs, an invasion is very unlikely, bordering on impossible.
As far as the "common sense" remark, invading Iraq for no practical reason w/o a clear cut plan on what the do AFTER the invasion itself was a serious lack of common sense.
The US has a very limited ability to control what's going to happen in Iraq.
The ability will be more limited if we stay and become embroiled in the upcoming civil war.
Also...oil becoming $500 isn't feasible.
If it came to that, most governments would mandate conservation, thus lowering the price.
It's called economics.
We've lost this one.
The sooner we leave and find a way to turn things around over there..the better. | |
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 2/6/2008 10:49:57 AM | You have a phased withdrawal unless of course you wish to stay there the next 100 yrs like McCain has advocated or lets stay till there's 58,000 dead Americans ring a bell?Let taxpayers keep spending trillions on our little crusade's not like the money could be used here at home like guarding our borders,fixing bridge's,helping the homeless,including returning veterans nope let's stay.Shaking my head! | |
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 2/7/2008 7:58:39 PM | The oil. America wants to privatize Iraq to control their oil. If any patriotic Iraqi opposes it, they are labeled "terrorist al-Qaeda". If any Iraqi favors it, they are found without a head the next day.
We're not fighting anyone. We're creating a mess and trying to re-build it. We're creating angry Iraqis and trying to eliminate them.
Don't give me this crap that we're trying to help the Iraqis cus most of the Republicans who claim this are now hating all Muslims. They forgot that Iraqis are Muslims too. | |
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| Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted: 2/8/2008 12:37:35 PM | Liberals do not want to win in Iraq. We are helping start a democracy over there and it is starting to work.
Just today I heard, the people are tired of the extremist and are supplying our troops with info on their whereabouts
Iraq
Dust settles. There's lots of hot air from Democrats and liberals about how bad things are in Iraq, etc. And, it's hard to see through it all when all of the pessimism and negativity is being tallied off by all the major news networks and newspapers. Then time passes... And there are those times when there's an opening in the clouds... The end result will be a better way of life for the Iraqi's. When all the dust settles... when all the words have been said... what will be left is peace and a better way of life. For now, 2 new age journalists are providing the news you ain't going to find in the New York Times or on the NBC Nightly News. Whoa, there's actually some pretty positive stuff happening. Imagine what a young generation of American soldiers can make possible. Read Michael J. Totten's latest post from Baghdad here and read Michael Yon's reporting from Iraq
http://www.kmax.ws/b/goodnewsiniraq.htm
http://goodnewsiraq.com/index2.htm
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1840
Seems to me like things are getting better in good ole Iraq.
However, never convince a liberal of that, it is all doom and gloom all the time | |
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