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| Nuclear War 12,000 years ago?
Posted: 12/8/2007 9:53:45 PM | You know Art has people on air that believe there's a hole in the North Pole, that the Earth is flat, and that we never went to the moon, and that there is a secret planet "X" that is going to colided with the Earth in 2012, but NASA et al is keeping it a secret.
Well if people wish to put their voices on air they have the right to do so. Now concerning Planet X coliding with earth in 2012. This is something the U.S. Government does not want us to know and let alone talk about it on a public forum such has this. So I don't think getting into that issue is a popular thing to do.
By the way, we are not suppose to know about the "Men in Black" (MIB) phenomena also, even though millions of people have been harrassed by them in some way. | |
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| Nuclear War 12,000 years ago?
Posted: 12/8/2007 10:06:26 PM | I'm enjoying your thread Joe. I find it very informative. anyway your posts. The others I just file away like I do the bible thumpers that are afraid to look any farther than what the minister tells them or the good book itself.
It's always better to be the stray that thinks for themselves then the herd of sheep being lead to slaughter
Keep up the good work Joe us open minded free thinking people appreciate it | |
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| Nuclear War 12,000 years ago?
Posted: 12/9/2007 3:32:20 AM |
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"From now on I guess I need will restrict myself to Univeristy databases whereby only those that are active members in Academia have access to.
Reply:
well, maybe you should, I doubt they've tampered with the grammar section.
"In the future you need to use better discretion in your sources, for example as I did by NOT using disputed and/or refuted data as you pointed out."
Reply:
Gee, it's almost like they're programed, isn't it?
(robot voice)-> "you will be assimulated"
Try to grasp this, I am "disputing" your "undisputed" sources.
This whole thread is about your undisputed sources being disputed, dig?
I provide mmany links and much data.
But my links are packed with very interesting and'taboo' information,
where as most of the opposition posts not only get disputed, but in a manner in which they are reduced to the arguement of, ..."because!"
The opposition brings no proof, nor anything interesting, they simply
state that accademic history books have been proven, that the 2nd law of
thermodynamics has been proven, that the theory of evolution has
been proven. We can guess because they were told that? Or door #2,
...that they are the ones pushing it?
But they never bring the so called "proof" They can't even recite it
most of the time. They just say it's there. Like the missing link,
it's their proof, but it's missing. It must be a thing of, faith?
For instance, history is written by the winners. You don't think the
Indians had a different story than the cowboys? Well apparently some
survivors of an ancient nuke had a story to tell, and did so quite well.
Why do you think the passage of the Maharbarata quoted at the
beginning of this thread is never brought up in History class?
If they have nothing to hide and it is impossible, what are they
afraid of? I've never even heard of that passage being brought up
in a "mythology" class.
One smear slinger, albeit amateur night, tried to say putting stock
in old texts is rediculous, and at the same time would defend to the point
of throwing morals out the wondow, the 2nd law of thermodynamics
which is almost 200 years old (a long time in the field of science)
...Basically, it tells a lot of truths, to sell one lie.
And why is it, those other posters conviniently avoid the facts I do bring to the table,
such as that documented list of agents posing as professors in university history class rooms accross the country? And the many other valid points brought up, are avoided by same.
Quote:
"Your "theories" are based upon innuendo and speculation, and using Wikipaedia come on, that IS NOT a reliable nor valid source of information."
Reply:
What theories? I have mentioned many things. Dare you try to group them
all into one cage and stick a label on them with no trial? You have
not taken over the world completely yet, have you? Well than bring
your case prepared, and address each "theory" one at a time and prove
they are based on "innuendo" since that accusation of yours, is YOUR
innuendo.
Everything I stated "as fact", is documented, and I porovided links.
Whereas you've provided what? And I think only one of my links was
wikipedia, clever how you suggest (they all were?) in any case I
find wikipedia to be accurate most of the time.
Quote:
"Yet again I see nothing but ad hominem insult when a person has no argument based in fact"
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Well, next time they should make sure their argument is based in fact.
You see, I simply point out that it isn't, and it makes them look bad,
but that's not my fault. And when I point out that they know it
is not fact, it makes them look worse, again not my fault.
And if they start preaching how good public school text books are
but have trouble forming a sentence, well I point that out too.
you seem to be doing better though.
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"As to using the internet for verifiable FACTS, although my libraary is quite extensive numbering in the several hundred if not approaching a thousand titles, the net, except for Wiki, is a valid source."
Reply:
Tell me why you think Wiki (wikipedia) is not a valid source for information?
(careful now, you own your answer) I cross check things in Wiki, but if the
many contributors is your answer, I say the voice of the people is often just a
second oppinion, and a many more, which I often find better than the oppinion
of an elite minority at the top telling me what I should think.
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"The number of cancer cases among the survivors will continue to rise in the next few years, perhaps peaking in the 2020s. The survivors have suffered physically from cataracts, leukemia and other cancers, malformed offspring, and premature aging.
Almost a hundred years later, the 2020's, and the effects will JUST be peaking, so NO "they" are not walking around unaffected."
Reply:
Who said anything about them being unaffected? I said they were there,
living there, in Hiroshima, still. See here's another example of you
twisting facts, in a clever way, in an attempt to discredit an honest man.
But I guess in a way, this is an election, readers vote for who they
believe more, ...being sneaky doesn't help.
But this further helps me, in a way demonstrating that the same who
dictate what books people will read in school, really don't care about
the people at all, at least not in Hiroshima anyway, if the people
have to remain there. The Indian government however has cornered off
a large area in their country, and haulted construction there due to
radiation and high cancer rates where the ancient nuke or whatever it
was, is said to have taken place thousands of years ago.
Quote:
"People are still dying from the radiation caused by the Chernobyl accident. The estimated total number of deaths will be 16,000. Chernobyl is also measurable from anywhere in the world."
Reply:
Yeah, kind of makes you wonder if it was an accident, huh? Some say
they wanted to deliver it by wind, dusting targets with small amounts
to see if it worked. But our own government has done equal, to it's
own people and others. Google Search "Depleted Uranium"
And I'm going to trust the books they give me to read?
And with that statement, one of the books they shove down our throats
is the science of 2nd law thermodynatics, for which we would not even
need nuclear power plants, if people stopped believing those books.
Quote:
"Radioactive ruins ?
Where's the data?"
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Please read the entire thread, if you're going to throw books around
which you deem acceptable for the rest of us to read. I don't want
to keep posting repeat links, I fell for that once, and then the team
went whining to mods, saying, "look he keeps repeating the same thing
in each post!" after they made me do so, by repeating questions.
In fact the opposition posts here are beginging to sound repetitious,
perhaps in attempt to make me answer repetitious once again, and if not
for the multiple profile IDs, you could all be the same guy.
(That was my nice way of saying I wont fall for it this time)
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"You are being misleading, purposefully, and it is dishonest, I stated that nuclear fission byproducts exist for a half life of a million years or more, some of these are: Kr-85: Sr-90 and Cs-137 granted some only last seconds, less than seconds, but the isotopes that last for millions of years can be detected and measured accurately, the decay rates are measurable, defined, and accurate, there is NO such evidence, unless of course you believe that this data is suppressed in a Global intergovernmental Conspiracy."
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No, once again it is you misleading, dishonest, or perhaps only confused. I never claimed it was a conventional nuclear weapon. I never said any radiation there would last millions of years.
It could have been some other form of nuclear technology, and some isotopes like cobalt (also used in nuclear weapons) have a half life of little more than 5 years. If there was ancient technology, it doesn't mean it mirrored ours perfectly. And if it was detonated highabove the target area, the fall out would disperse differently, and I'm not a nuclear scientist, so I don't know, but I doubt you are, so once agian you're probably reading from an "authorized" book.
This from you, and your profile ID is, "They killed Kenny"?
Who is "they"? And I'm tempted to think you derived at your
conclusion using a school text book, and really mean Kennedy.
In which case I would have to agree, "they" did.
Anyway,..
Are you over there "measuring" isotopes? No? oh, who then you say?
Official appointed authorities? It's not in the newspapers?
That's odd, WMD's were in the newspapers here, yeah, claiming proof
that Sadam had them. Geez, they get it all backwards, don't they?
Just can't trust those darn papers these days, or even when they
were printed with wood blocks, telling us the world was flat and we
would fall off the edge, so people wouldn't find America and the
hidden gold mines.
Global Conspiracy? Well, independent governments is nothing but
seperating the people of the "globe" while the "globe" is really
run buy multi-national corporations, whom all at the same time in
every "country" kept the electric car suppressed for 70 years.
Research that. Research Tesla's electric Pierce Arrow automobile.
Guys began making Hybrids in their back yards in the 1960s, using
small motorcylce engines in their trunk to run electric generators
in their trunk, to power their electric motor under the front hood.
This enabled them to use 1/3 the gas. Most newspapers depend on
advertising for income, not paper sales. This advertising comes
from corporate monopoly chains, not mom and pop shops. And the
ownership of most newspapers, magazines, radio and TV stations can
be traced to a small group of corporations, anyway. Bet they didn't
teach you that in school.
Yet some how you managed to learn how to read Indian newspapers
in all of India's many languages.
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"If "they" discovered fission byproducts dating back 12 000 years we would ALL know about it."
Reply:
Why? Why would we all know about it? Do we all know about the ancient tunnel system under Grand Canyon?
http://www.witchesway.net/links/lost/lost2.html
It made the paper for a little while, until the Smithsonian took over.
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"I'm enjoying your thread Joe. I find it very informative. anyway your posts. The others I just file away like I do the bible thumpers that are afraid to look any farther than what the minister tells them or the good book itself.
It's always better to be the stray that thinks for themselves then the herd of sheep being lead to slaughter
Keep up the good work Joe us open minded free thinking people appreciate it"
Reply:
Thank you for your words, napayshni.
Interesting thing about the bible, it was compiled of many ancient books, someone decided to put them all in one
volume "to make it easy for you" ...but beware of some who want to "make it easy for you" because it was a good
way to get rid of other ancient books, simply by leaving them out of the compilation. Anyway if you approach those
books, in or out of the compilation, as an archeologist might approach them, they do make good reference to history
among other things, after all,...Troy has been found.
The prophecies are interesting too.
Even the supernatural aspects.
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Posted: 12/9/2007 9:05:53 AM | Joekeeper, you may find that you lose a little bit of credibility when you combine the arguments.
1.Education just keeps intelligent people from thinking it's a conspiracy to keep people from knowing my "one true knowledge" that I extracted from youtube and crackpot sites.
with
2.Here is my massive copy and paste from various webpages, see what an original thinker I am? | |
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Posted: 12/9/2007 11:53:24 AM | 'The Witches Way"? ?Jeebus child.
Come on son, your sources ARE invalid, you would get an F if you handed this non-sense in to me.
In fact I would return it to you unmarked.
I DID DO research on this matter:
There is NO record of ANY such ruins; it is FICTION.
There IS a Nuclear Powerplant located NEARBY.
Now somewhere you asked how the authors, [and the text is a compilation by numerous authors, remember it is a DRAMA] could report such images.
Well it is called Imgination.
Examples:
Start Trek:
the Communicator
Tri-corder
Automatic doors
voice activated computers
direct energy weapons
Jules Verne:
20 000 Leagues Under the Sea [1870]
a tale about a "journey to the moon" [1864]
None of these things existed at the time, now they do. | |
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Posted: 12/9/2007 2:22:29 PM |
Quote:
"Joekeeper, you may find that you lose a little bit of credibility when you combine the arguments.
1.Education just keeps intelligent people from thinking it's a conspiracy to keep people from knowing my "one true knowledge" that I extracted from youtube and crackpot sites.
with
2.Here is my massive copy and paste from various webpages, see what an original thinker I am?
Reply:
We've all seen your posts, ...of little content, and no contribution.
Cut and paste, only makes up portions of my posts, and shows that many others
have dumped conventional history in the trash, where it belongs.
Fearing others will realize this they resort to saying that
anything other than the dictated authorized story is"Crack pot"
But I suppose international thugs packing nukes today in the "norm" of things, dispursing depleted uranium all over the place, where ancient Sumeria use to be, (look it up) while far down the chain their mouth piece sock puppets post childish things along the lines of "I know you are but what am I" and have wet dreams of brand new HumV's or convertables, to impress an ignorant piece of assumption, that he is cool, ...is not a "crack Pot"world?
Perhaps a wee smarter than appearence, it is a ploy to lure me to post a reply,
moving the last one up and another off the rotation of my profile.
That is why I put something interesting in every post, where as yours
are the only posts that can put me to sleep with only two paragraphs.
And that is why I suggest a pop-in reader, read this entire thread,
to see what that other guy doesn't want you to see.
Info packed and full of source links to back it up.
Next, we have a teacher apparently.
Let's look at him a bit closer.
Quote:
"Come on son, your sources ARE invalid, you would get an F if you handed this non-sense in to me."
Reply:
If I handed it into you, I would get an F?
Well I did and I did, hello? But your F is your F.
A teacher's "F" is the teacher's "F", it is their "Failure" to teach.
Quote:
"In fact I would return it to you unmarked."
Reply:
Than what is your post about?
Can you at least be honest with yorself?
Quote:
"There is NO record of ANY such ruins; it is FICTION
There IS a Nuclear Powerplant located NEARBY"
Reply:
If the ruins are not there, how can a nuclear power plant be "nearby"?
This is too easy, but we need some amusment here,
to swollow the bitter taste of the pill we refused to swallow.
More from the elders, on teachers...
"You don't have to think too hard when you talk to teachers."
-Jerome David Salinger (1919- ) U. S. novelist and short-story writer.
"The average schoolmaster is and always must be essentially an ass,
for how can one imagine an intelligent man engaging in so puerile an avocation."
-H. L. Mencken (1880-1956) American editor, critic and writer.
"Everyone who is incapable of learning has taken to teaching."
-Oscar Wilde (1854-1900) Irish poet and dramatist.
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"'The Witches Way"? ?Jeebus child.?"
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Don't like the Witches posting the story?
Funny, I had you pegged for an Alchemist of sorts.
Okay how about the same story posted on a biblio site.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_orionzone_8.htm
Try not to forget, it was a newspaper article
in 1908 and received a gag-order to shut up.
World Wide Censorship?
http://www.serendipity.li/cda.html#france
Censorship comes in many forms, and apparently it
is crawling into Wikipedia, as well. Bummer.
I guess smearing it wasn't effective enough.
So they "volunteered" to "help", instead.
Quote:
"Now somewhere you asked how the authors, [and the text is a compilation by numerous authors, remember it is a DRAMA] could report such images. Well it is called Imgination."
Reply:
Some label it a "drama" including you.
But it is queer how someone's "imagination" was able to imagine thousands of years ago,
the part where the projectile became as bright as 10,000 suns, followed by a giant plume
of smoke, and the radiation effects of hair and nails falling out, their after.
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Posted: 12/9/2007 3:04:48 PM | If the ruins are not there, how can a nuclear power plant be "nearby"?
YOU are twisting words and making a fool of yourself.
Nearby the location that the "ruins" are supposed to be.
The city exist, the ruins do not.
An f is indicative of your poor reasearch and your lies.
Like this one
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_orionzone_8.htm
No cites, no peer reviews, no academic integrity.
The link that says where the info originated is DEAD.
Quoting pergorative insults is pahetic, all it reveals about yourself s that you do not have the courage to come out and make these ad hominems* yourself.
It reveals that you need to hide behind other's words; it makes you a coward.
*attacking your opponent personally rather than his argument. Ad hominem is fallacious argumentation.
fallacious: deceitful: intended to deceive.
For example your logic when you decietfully twist my words and claim that A] it proves it was not a meteorite B] that there cannot be a nuclear powerplant there because I stated that there are no ruins.
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Posted: 12/9/2007 6:37:24 PM | .
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An f is indicative of your poor reasearch and your lies.
The city exist, the ruins do not.
Google (image) Search: "Ruins of Mohenjo Daro"
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=ruins+of+Mohenjo+Daro&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
________
Google (image) search: "Ruins of Harappa"
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=ruins+of+Harappa&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
________
Geez, now I know why some kids stayed after school to help the teacher.
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Posted: 12/9/2007 7:47:53 PM | Another lie, the radioactive ruins were first at: "Rawatbhatta" now that I have proven they aren't there you say they are at "Mohenjo Daro" or is it "Harrappa" now?
Pick one and Make up your bloody mind.
You don't even remember what you've posted anymore.
You're making this stuff up as you go and changing your story every post to suit your needs.
Go get your STORY straight, maybe make some notes and an outline then get back to me. | |
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| Nuclear War 12,000 years ago?
Posted: 12/10/2007 12:00:32 AM | .
Show me where I said the ruins were in "Rawathbhatta"
You're trippin, ...does that work with the kids?
Do you take it out on your students when this happens?
The ruins are in (both), Mohenjo Daro" and "Harrappa"
Part of the old Rama Empire.
If I bring you an apple, will you leave me alone?
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Posted: 12/10/2007 5:22:56 AM | | You assume all nuclear meltdowns are man made. I remember one of my University lecturers commenting on a Uranium build up at a site called Uolo, so much that it reached critical mass. Pretty sure this was in Africa though and much longer ago than 12,000 years. | |
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Posted: 12/10/2007 3:07:49 PM | When my son was 8 his teacher called him a lair infront of the whole class when he said he had seen dinosaur tracks.
But then the books she taught out of never told her of such as place as dinosaur valley park in Texas where we use to live.
I corrrected the problem showed her where she erred in all ways..and my son learned one big important lesson...always check out all the info before you disbelieve something because like much of history it is not wrote from all angles just the ones that seem to appease the masses.
And just because someone has been to college doesn't mean they know Jack...it usually means they've stopped learning and became complacent.
Maybe we're afraid if there was a nuclear war before we aren't the smartest of mankind like we think we are. Perhaps we might find out we are fools just repeating history in the future.
Please continue on with the topic...it has my interest | |
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| Nuclear War 12,000 years ago?
Posted: 12/10/2007 5:35:54 PM |
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"You assume all nuclear meltdowns are man made. I remember one of my University lecturers commenting on a Uranium build up at a site called Uolo, so much that it reached critical mass. Pretty sure this was in Africa though and much longer ago than 12,000 years."
Reply:
Do I assume that?
Universities again? Hmmmm?
I'll say this, they can't alter everything or it would be too obvious.
They can't say "2+2=5" So instead they feed kids twinkies with
ingreedience like "rocket fuel" (literally) ...look it up.
Yeah, apparently the FDA loves you.
And I know (a few) university professors take great risks, to the
point of losing their job, in order to get some hidden truth out.
Maybe he hoped someone would look further into Uolo.
Maybe you're doing the same thing? Maybe Uolo is not natural?
Maybe it is, I know nothing about it. I'll look into it.
But I don't "assume" "all" "nuclear meltdowns are man made"
Rather, I question the two sites of Mohenjo Daro & Harappa,
considering they are the area in which the ancient texts of the
mahabharata,
describe a nuclear war quite accurately. And do think that if it
is possible, than it could have happened elsewhere as well, sure,
why not, sheets of fused sand glass are found in many places on earth
often near by can be found stone forts, where the rock was melted on
one face of the fort, but not always on the other side.
Quote:
"Maybe we're afraid if there was a nuclear war before we aren't the smartest of mankind like we think we are.
Perhaps we might find out we are fools just repeating history in the future."
Reply:
Maybe the phrase, "History forgotten, is destine to repeat itself" is
not only a warning to the masses, but a tool for others. Someone sure
wants the masses to forget history, as it really happened. I say this
because there are too many other examples, we know the Chinese found
the Americas before the Columbus voyage, We know the Vikings were here
before Columbus, yet "they" continue to enforce their version of history
on the masses, that there was no contact with the Americas before the
Columbus voyage.
An interesting thing about the Columbus voyage, in his own ship logs
as well as witness accounts from crew, they said a few days before
they spotted land, they saw strange lights in the sky, going back and
forth, and even some strange lights in the water under them.
These were professional star watchers. They navigated by the night sky.
They had seen comets and meteors before, none of which go to and fro,
changing directions.
Perhaps, we are not the smartest in earth's history, as you say,
but perhaps, those who were, still are, and are still here.
Don't feel too bad about the smarts issue, it's no fault of the victims.
Fluoride reduces IQ, mercury hinders brain development, your water is
laced with one, while said soon to be manditory vaccines are laced with the other.
I don't think Twighlight Zone music would be funny here.
This can all be looked up and worthy of it's own thread.
But, if there was an ancient nuclear war, and there were survivors of an ancient nuclear war,
we would be the offspring of some of those survivors, however there
would be two sets of survivors. Remote mountian people, etc.. and the
perps themselves whom participated in the war, hiding far beneath the ground
in bunker fall out shelters, (the size of small cities) much as they have today.
Doubtful there is room for the tax payers who funded those shelters.
In any case, the survivors whom were in the underground shelters, would have
re-emerged eventually, having full knowledge of technology, while the offspring
of sheep herding mountian peoples, would only have rumors and myths about
Gods of old, and lost magic cities of sparkling light.
The temptation to play "God" again, by one set, would be great.
The bible actually mentions many "gods" some jealus of others.
One of them, liked the smell of BBQ, obviously in the flesh,
and didn't like midgets or deformed people coming around him.
Doesn't sound like the "Creator" to me.
This is not to say there isn't one, a (Creator)
But there sure are some false ones running around too.
Unless we look at the word "Creation" more closely, and the possibility of multi-
creation, as in the ancient Sumerian creation story, mentioned earlier, that the
gods, created us via gene splicing, to dig gold for them. In which case it is a form
of Creation, but suggests they did not also create the universe as well.
Many of the Creation stories say the gods created us in their own image.
Suggesting if they were in the flesh, they may have used cloning, or some
of their own genes at least, or fathered us. Then again if they flew down in
high tech machines to a primitive sheep herd village, they could have just
lied and said, "we created you" followed by, "Gather some stones for a fort
and then dig us up some gold"
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Posted: 12/12/2007 8:33:56 AM | .
Of course that's a "what if"
hypothetically speaking on hypothesis.
man can I clear a room or what?
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Posted: 12/12/2007 8:34:05 AM | No, I haven't looked into it. You just reminded me of something I heard in a lecture some years ago. That said, I had a quick look on the internet. This might interest you.
http://www.ocrwm.doe.gov/factsheets/doeymp0010.shtml | |
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| Nuclear War 12,000 years ago?
Posted: 12/12/2007 9:24:15 AM | No, you didn't clear the room, I see near a 1,000 views..
I am enjoying the thread also. | |
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Posted: 12/12/2007 9:54:39 AM | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_nauseam
Argumentum ad nauseam or argument from repetition or argumentum ad infinitum is an argument made repeatedly (possibly by different people) until nobody cares to discuss it anymore. This may sometimes, but not always, be a form of proof by assertion. | |
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Posted: 12/12/2007 5:28:22 PM | .
Quote:
"No, I haven't looked into it. You just reminded me of something I heard in a lecture some years ago. That said, I had a quick look on the internet. This might interest you.
http://www.ocrwm.doe.gov/factsheets/doeymp0010.shtml
Reply:
About that link...
Yeah well, that comes from the US Department Of Energy
and I know of at least a dozen working cleaner energy
devices that the DOE pretends doesn't exist.
So I don't believe much of anything they say these days.
Energy is the biggest biz on earth, and the DOE is the
Department of Income, and most likely created for that.
Here is the only part of that website I believe...
Except:
"Scientists from other countries were skeptical when first hearing of these natural nuclear reactors. Some argued that the missing amounts of U-235 had been displaced over time, not split in nuclear fission reactions. "How," they asked, "could fission reactions happen in nature, when such a high degree of engineering, physics, and acute, detailed attention went into building a nuclear reactor?"
Perrin and the other French scientists concluded that the only other uranium samples with similar levels of the isotopes found at Oklo could be found in the used nuclear fuel produced by modern reactors. They found that the percentages of many isotopes at Oklo strongly resembled those in the spent fuel generated by nuclear power plants"
Sounds like a case of ancient technology to me.
Quote:
:Argumentum ad nauseam or argument from repetition or argumentum ad infinitum is an argument made repeatedly (possibly by different people) until nobody cares to discuss it anymore. This may sometimes, but not always, be a form of proof by assertion."
Reply:
Makes me wonder why you keep coming back in here than?
Or is that a description deffinition of your stance here?
It is deffinately the deffinition of the arguments made by
Darwinist, "approved" historians, and "authorized" scientists.
It's who's doing the "approving" and "authorizing" combined with
all of their other secrets, that has people questioning them.
As for you, there are plenty of other threads you can be in,
if you don't like this one. And if you don't, why are you here?
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| Nuclear War 12,000 years ago?
Posted: 12/13/2007 10:42:15 PM | | Can someone say large asteroid impact? Those send up smoke, they cause fire, and even can carry some radioactive elements from the solar system down to the planet. And in ancient times people didn't know about asteroids and commets, so if one hit the earth and it blew up, which it would, they would natrualy assume they were under attack. And if they assumed it was an attack, thus you have the description of a typical asteriod impact. During the cold war one hit russia, would be an interesting comparison to look at any similarities and differences. | |
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| Nuclear War 12,000 years ago?
Posted: 12/14/2007 10:05:01 PM | Hey I said it!
You guys couldn't hear me, because you're in computer world,
but I said it, "large asteroid impact"!
Sorry, they bring out the smart ass in me, after sifting through
their so non-convincing lies, that when you repeat something
said by a few others in this tread already, and say it as if we are
all blind to some obvious monumental revelation, well, I snot
off a little too.
Actually we covered that meteor/asteroid thing earlier but even
I don't always read the whole thread before posting, so I forgive.
Mainly because you also left it open for an option rather than
insisting it is the only answer.
The ancient text at the beginning of this thread, was only quoted
in part, the whole thing is very long and goes into detail about
militay flying machines, piloted by people, and powered through
the use of mercury some how. Written thousands of years ago.
It speaks of a great war, a long war, and then a "final solution" in
which one of the flying machines hurled a single projectile which
then became as bright as 10,000 suns, giant plume of smoke,
hair and nails fell out, etc...
It was speaking of a time even earlier than when it was written,
and written as if by decendants of survivors whom first passed
it on as an oral tradtition for thousands of years.
It speaks of these flying machines chasing eachother to and fro
in the sky, making the sound of thunder and throwing firey darts
at each other. And the flying machines themselves were like darts,
throwing smaller darts at the other.
It deffinately describes a modern battle.
And you're wrong about the ancients not knowing about asteroids and stuff,
Especially if we are talking about the subject of there being ancient high tech
civilizations in the past.
But here is an image of a wall relief from ancient Sumeria, showing all the
planets around the sun...
http://www.20kweb.com/weird_stuff/wimages/cylinder_seal_va243.jpg
So, some of the survivors retained some, if not all of the knowledge.
Perhaps in secret societies, or elite circles, as the poor farm workers probably
had no fancy wall reliefs in their homes.
Read the whole thread,
There is a post referring to metal aircraft
mentioned in our own Western accepted
ancients texts, originating in the East as
well, ...the one we now call, the Bible.
Check it out,
Don't let a guy in the next post tell you
what it is, don't let me either, just know
that he doesn't want you to check it out.
and I say, you're entitled to see for your
self and draw your own conclusion.
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| Nuclear War 12,000 years ago?
Posted: 12/26/2007 12:38:46 AM |
The ancient India text describing a nuclear war
written thousands of years ago and quoted in the
first post of this thread, seems to be confirmed
as an accurate description of atomic war according
to formost nuclear expert.
The lead scientist of the Manhattan project
seems to agree with the "nutters" I think I
will side with him, rather than that which
lurketh here in the shadows...
Excerpt"
J. Robert Oppenheimer, (1904–1967) the Supervising Scientist of the Manhattan Project was giving a lecture at Rochester University seven years after the first atomic weapon was successfully detonated. After his lecture he opened the floor to a period of questions and answers.
One student asked: “Was the bomb exploded at Alamogordo during the Manhattan Project the first one to be detonated?”
Dr. Oppenheimer’s answer was short but extremely telling. Dr. Oppenheimer said: “Well – yes. In modern times, of course.”
Dr. Oppenheimer years earlier had described what he was thinking when he witnessed the first modern atomic explosion. His thoughts had gone to the Hindu Bhagvad Gita which states:
"Of a thousand suns in the sky if suddenly should burst forth the light, it would be like unto the light of that Exalted One.” (Bhagvad Gita XI, 12)
“Death am I, cause of destruction of the worlds, matured and set out to gather in the worlds there." (Bhagvad Gita XI, 32)
However, in answering the question Dr. Oppenheimer was not referring to the Hindu Bhagvad Gita but rather an ancient Indian text known as the Mahabharata. That which had occurred in Japan in 1945 was reminiscent of a far more ancient episode, one as early as 2450 BC in the regions of the upper Ganges.
Full Story:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/case8.html
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| Nuclear War 12,000 years ago?
Posted: 12/26/2007 1:51:42 AM | I'm curious why you think Robert Oppenheimer would have some archeological knowledge of India, considering he was a physicist. The entire argument sounds rather fishy.
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Posted: 12/26/2007 4:41:44 PM | Oppenheimer had studied eastern mysticism.
Does the OP know his quote is faked by the way? The cut&paste he did of someone else's text isn't found in the Mahabharata. (By the way, it's polite to provide sources.)
I didn't think it looked credible, so I went and searched the online version of the text, and couldn't find anything resembling his quote. Lots of mentions of thunderbolts, but not his quote.
So then I looked for bits of it, and found http://www.uforq.asn.au/articles/indianepics.html which discusses the text and how the quote was pasted together from different bits and pieces, and includes this:
We move on to a more serious type of error committed by early UFO researchers, involving a quite incredible degree of carelessness and sloppiness on their part, verging in may instances on what can only be described as sleight of hand or outright deception. Let us take one example. In his chapter nine, Leslie recounts the destruction of the so-called Triple City by lord Shiva, one of the greatest gods in the Hindu pantheon: 'He (Shiva) flings a missile which contained the power of the universe at the Triple City --- the city began to burn --- smoke, looking like 10,000 suns, blazed up in the splendour.' Charles Berlitz, in Mysteries from Forgotten Worlds (chapter twelve), goes one better: 'an incandescent column of smoke and flame, as bright as 10,000 suns, rose in all its splendour.' The latter is pure invention, as can be clearly seen when compared with the actual source quotation, which runs: 'Then he called Nila Rohita - that terrible deity robed in skins, looking like 10,000 suns --- blazed up with splendour' (Karna Parva, section 34). Now a translator's insert explains that Nila Rohita means 'blue and red' or 'smoke', (which could be rendered in English as the 'Smokey One' or something similar) being nothing more than one of Lord Shiva's innumerable epithets. It is obvious that it is not the Triple City which is blazing in splendour, but Shiva himself. In fact, it is not until a full three pages after the above even that the city's destruction occurs: 'That lord of the universe --- sped that shaft which represented the might of the whole universe at the Triple City --- thus was the Triple City burnt.' By cleverly combining widely separated quotations and mistaking a manifestation of Lord Shiva for a nuclear explosion, Leslie has made a complete mess of this event, and Berlitz has only compounded the original error.
So, did the OP actually look into the stuff he posted, or did he just cut and paste from a source he hadn't checked the veracity of? If the OP would like to provide a citation to the location of the quote in the Mahabharata I'd be happy to look it up; otherwise he might consider retracting and apologize for posting false claims without checking them.
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| Nuclear War 12,000 years ago?
Posted: 12/26/2007 6:34:52 PM | | I should have guessed it was a quote from Berlitz. He is a good read if you dont take it seriously. | |
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| Nuclear War 12,000 years ago?
Posted: 12/26/2007 7:56:35 PM | I was suspicious of any quote that doesn't give a cite. It's a hallmark of a bogus quote. So I GIS'd it and got no actual hits to any primary source, just the same unsourced quote.
At that point I tried to deduce from the OP if it was really Mahabharata or Ramayana or what, since the OP's post is horribly edited, clarity-wise. I'm used to fact-checking things, it's easy to look up things like the Mahabharata online.
Once I failed to find key words in the online text I found, I went back to Google and tried things like 'mahabharata atomic kook' (or something close to that, I forget), since if someone *had* done basic fact checking on that claim he/she would have posted something to that effect. I found the referenced site from that search.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. When someone calls you on a point of fact, it is incumbent on the person making the claim to be able to back up their claims, say by looking up the purported quote in the source materials cited. I'm open to a counterclaim that my search was inadequate, and if someone provides a proper cite to the actual source, I'd be happy to admit it was a correct quote. But I couldn't find the passage cited in the Mahabharata, and I found a source pointing out the passage is fabricated.
This is what one does when one is interested in the facts, no? | |
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