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| 19 Year Old Kills 8 Shoppers in Mall
Posted: 12/9/2007 3:14:29 PM |
Add to the mix the phenomenon of divorce, money problems, lack of health care, abuse and whatever else you want to add to the soup and you get one very very confused young adult
While I'm sure a lot of folks will again make this story a gun control debate, that's fine, but what troubles me on this one is the kid specifically saying he was going to be famous for doing this. This is probably the most troubling reason why this story was posted.
I don't know whether todays kids have more opportunities or less like the poster a couple of posts above mentioned. In some ways, kids to day have like a thousand times more freedoms than I personally had when we were growing up. Whether freedoms equate to opportunities i don't know. We never had limitless tv, our own little cellphones, internet, Ipods etc. We were allowed to watch tv after supper if our homework was done as well as any other chores we were assigned, and even then we had strict times for heading off to bed. i have one friend in her 30's who calls me after midnight some nights to tell me her 5 year old daughter wants to say hi. I just don't get it personally, but, I don't know much these days anyways.
My chum and i built a bit of a camp out in the bush out of old timbers and birch bark etc. We have now 3 huts plus a woodhut for keeping our wood dry. On long walks in the bush with my dog I wheel in some days, start a fire, make a cup of tea and relax. Sometimes my chum is there with a couple of his grandchildren who are normally half strung out on ritalin. Very noisy out there those days. I try talking to the one kid, but it seems like he's not even there. Interestingly, he always has to bring this little electronic video game along with him in order to him to have fun in the bush and when the batteries start to run low he starts ordering grandpa to start packing up to head home.
The world's always changing, but this "I'm going to go out in a famous blaze of glory" is being picked up somewhere along here. Buddy at Virginia Tech apparently had a similar message he was trying to send back in April and so did this kid in the mall last week. I doubt either of them really thought bantering about gun control was the issue, the cause, nor the raison d'etre. I'm not condoning anything here. Just trying to work it all out in my head. I don't see it getting better any time soon. Seems like a bit of a wild rollercoaster these days where hey, pretty much anything goes. After all. This is an enlightened society we live in these days. Isn't it? | |
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| 19 Year Old Kills 8 Shoppers in Mall
Posted: 12/9/2007 5:25:45 PM |
With all due respect , of course Washington's murder rates are going to be unaffected. The guns are already there and even if they weren't , it's not like they have to go very far to get them anyway. Gun control isn't an overnight solution. It takes years for those guns to find their way off the streets. Nevertheless, it's been proven to work according to the statistics. The entire US needs to adopt a more rigorous gun control program otherwise it's like trying to plug fifty leaks in a boat with one finger. Just isn't going to work.
Again, your position assumes that it is the guns that are causing the problem. D.C. has a high murder rate. The surrounding areas, where guns laws are more lax, have far, far lower crime rates. Why is this? No, I'm not going to say "because more guns = less crime!".
It's because those areas aren't racked with poverty, unemployment, drug and gang problems, and general urban decay. These are the causes of crime, not the presence of firearms. Now, is it right to infringe on the rights of the whole country (as you proposed) to put a band-aid over the ROOT causes of high murder and crime rates?
Again, check your statistics. You will see that violent crime rates in other countries who passed very restrictive firearm laws have not been dramatically affected by them. | |
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Posted: 12/9/2007 8:02:00 PM | I think you're misunderstanding me.
I'm not arguing that banning guns is some magical solution to all of society's ills. What I'm saying is that when it comes to murder, having guns around makes the homicide rate go up. The simple reason is because guns are far more effective at killing people than other methods. Let's face it, we're not talking about people here that are holding grudges and have a plan to do in their enemies at just the right time . Urban homicides are usually heat of the moment affairs. One person pulls a knife at least the other guy can run. It takes a lot more to stab somebody multiple times than it does to simply pull the trigger instead. It's just a matter of efficiency in killing. Guns do the job better .
You're absolutely right that banning guns in the inner city isn't going to cure the problems already there. And , as I pointed out , it's rather pointless to ban guns on one side of a street while not on the other. What I'm saying is simply that when somebody attempts to commit murder, their chances of success increase dramatically if they have a gun at their disposal.
I'm really not sure how you can say that countries with restrictive firearms laws have seen little effect from said laws. Are there any that have higher or even roughly equal homicide rates as in the US ? I'm not bashing the US (I'm a fan so please, let's not go there) but as long as we're talking about points of comparison, I'd like it if you could show me any evidence that free access to firearms has made any nation safer. On the contrary, countries with tight gun control all have dramatically lower homicide rates than the US does. I don't believe that it's because the people are really all that fundamentally different although I would agree that their cultures have a different perspective on violence in general. We have slum neighborhoods that in many cases could be considered ghettos. I live in a city with some of the worst areas for crime in Canada. Probably not comparable to Gary or East St. Louis but certainly not to be confused with affluent suburbs on the periphery. Nevertheless, we have far more incidences of assault than murder. It's not because our criminals wouldn't pull out a Glock and just shoot the other guy , it's because they usually just don't have the Glock in the first place. | |
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| 19 Year Old Kills 8 Shoppers in Mall
Posted: 12/9/2007 11:28:48 PM | Gun Free Zones: What a Criminals/Crazies wet dream. Imagine shooting fish in a barrel and no one shoots back....LOL
So if you want to stop gun violence, avoid gun free zones....next to impossible.
Well then Conceal/Carry should be the law of the land. Someone is not just going to open up, if he thinks people will shoot back. This is how the west was really won. If someone tried to shoot up the town, the townsfolk shot back.
Join the NRA now. | |
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Posted: 12/10/2007 5:32:26 AM | I am sick to death of hearing "countries that have brought in tighter gun laws hasn't decreased crime etc..." that's a load of bullshit.......
Well maybe not crime in general, but gun related incidents, by far.........
In Australia, guns are so tightly controlled, if you even flashed one in front of a police man you'd be lucky not to be shot dead there and then........and no one's going to care, you shouldn't have had or needed a gun in the first place........
I remember a few years after the Launcetoun shootings in Tasmania, 7/11 where giving free slurpee's and ice creams to kids to hand in their toy guns, that's how deep it runs in our psyhce, in fact most kids are banned from playing war video games where you shoot other people, my nephews for example are only allowed to play games that shoot aliens......any game shooting humans has a PG rating........and so it should. | |
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| 19 Year Old Kills 8 Shoppers in Mall
Posted: 12/10/2007 5:42:58 AM |
State officials said Hawkins spent four years in a series of treatment centers, group homes and foster care after threatening to kill his stepmother in 2002.
From what I understand, one of the places he was listed being in, is Cooper Village in Omaha. If he indeed was there, I can understand whole heartedly how he could have come out of that place worse off then when he went into it.
I personally know several kids that have been in there and the things they go through (that I know for a fact happen), I wouldnt put any child through. Sometimes, the state's idea of help isnt all it's cracked up to be. | |
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| 19 Year Old Kills 8 Shoppers in Mall
Posted: 12/10/2007 2:27:02 PM | it really bothered me to see posts...one in specific where someone was adamantly against protecting themselves. They said something like...so if no police are around and I am armed I should use vigilante justice and blah blah blah...
Ya know...if you take your life for granted that much...you really need to take a step back and look at the big picture.
Here you are, armed and capable to protect yourself. In a situation where one of you will shoot and one will die. One is a victim and the other is a shithead criminal...and you have the gall to say thats vigilante justice?!?!
honestly...i dont ****ing care about you or know you, so i dont care if you get killed for being an idiot. But i will protect myself, with the right that every other American has. I have no problem killing someone that wants to, or is about to kill me...but no...you can wait for the cops to show up to protect you cause you dont wanna use that gun...wait that 6 minutes these people had to wait. 6 minutes (actually 10 by one witnesses account) was all that was needed for 8 people. If you are gonna honestly think you have that time in that situation you mine as well just get snuffed out cause that dirtbag doesnt give a shit about you either.
I always have my gun with me, unless im at work because i work in federal govt property...i really hope i never have to use it for self defense, but i will if i can. I also have 6 other guns at home...2 being an ak47 and an SKS...those so ficticiously named "assault rifles". I have had them for years...i often leave them out as i like having a weapon in no matter what room of my house i am in cause you never know when a home invasion can occur.
Funny thing...none of my 7 guns have ever murdered anyone. Odd huh...yea i even leave them out when im...sleeping! Maybe they are just plotting, but they have never shot me in my sleep...why not? I thought guns kill?
If you want a gun free zone look elsewhere...cause im not hosting a murder at my place. | |
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| 19 Year Old Kills 8 Shoppers in Mall
Posted: 12/10/2007 2:50:40 PM |
I am sick to death of hearing "countries that have brought in tighter gun laws hasn't decreased crime etc..." that's a load of bullshit.......
Canadian and US violent crime rates over 20 years including the periods spanning the passage of strong gun control in Canada:
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Similar statistics for the UK:
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(If the IMG tags don't work here, sorry. Just copy-paste those URLs into your browser)
The point is that rates of violent crime are unaffected in the long run by gun control. The UK saw an increase in violent crime in the mid 90's but this is likely due to other concerns, economic and such considering that strong gun control was already in place, and the universal handgun bans didn't come into action untill 1997 when the trend was already decreasing.
Well maybe not crime in general, but gun related incidents, by far.........
And this is key, because it's not the guns that cause the crime. Therefore it makes absolutely no sense to impose wide spread bans. Especially in the case of the US where we have a constitutionally protected right to owning our own arms.
In Australia, guns are so tightly controlled, if you even flashed one in front of a police man you'd be lucky not to be shot dead there and then........and no one's going to care, you shouldn't have had or needed a gun in the first place........
Boy that sounds like a great example of the benefits of a progressive western democracy. | |
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| 19 Year Old Kills 8 Shoppers in Mall
Posted: 12/10/2007 10:26:58 PM | logistic earth,
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"Boy that sounds like a great example of the benefits of a progressive western democracy. "
your a nut case, a progressive western democracy as ours put gun control on the table for debate and it came back over wellmingly for.........simple.
Your 2nd amendment and right to bear arms is NOT a civille western democracy, do you honestly think that politicians that designed that bill had even one hint of the high powered, easily accesable weapons of today?
would they have made that bill knowing this.....i doubt it.
Fact is, when theese shootings happen else where in the world, the rest of the world is sympathetic, but when it keeps happeng in the US, quite simply the rest of the world thinks your well, just..............gun toting redneck war mongers full of inbreds........and that's a progressive western democracey's point of view. | |
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| 19 Year Old Kills 8 Shoppers in Mall
Posted: 12/11/2007 4:31:52 AM |
Your 2nd amendment and right to bear arms is NOT a civille western democracy, do you honestly think that politicians that designed that bill had even one hint of the high powered, easily accesable weapons of today?
The concept of an armed citizenry spans back over two thousand years to the greek philosophers. More recently, we've got Locke, Paine, Jefferson, etc. The US rights were in fact rooted in tradition in England that dated back to the times of the sword.
So yes, they would have implemented that bill even with the "high powered, easily accessible" guns of today. Because it's not a question of how powerful the gun is, it's a question of ideaology and the place of the individual in the role of the state. If you doubt they would have made it, then go back and start reading.
However, my quip about "progressive western democracy" was more how you said people would ge gunned down instantly for merely having a firearm.
Fact is, when theese shootings happen else where in the world, the rest of the world is sympathetic, but when it keeps happeng in the US, quite simply the rest of the world thinks your well, just..............gun toting redneck war mongers full of inbreds........and that's a progressive western democracey's point of view.
Well then then the rest of the world should keep thier bigoted views and stay the hell away from us. | |
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Posted: 12/11/2007 5:41:27 AM | RE
"Well then then the rest of the world should keep thier bigoted views and stay the hell away from us. "
That's the most inteligent thing a man of your calibre could say.
You see, in countries, where MEN are MEN, not pussies, we protect the innocent, the frail, women and children.
Eliminating firearms from the general public is the best place to start.....that's what REAL MEN do!!!!!!!!!
You terrorist is your next door neighbour....I'm glad places like mine have strict Visa's for entrance into the country, anyone with a fire arms offence simply can't enter......even snoop dog...........inbred gun toting morons like yourself will never ever be able to contribute to a normal functioning society, well not here anyway, and i sleep well at night,and safely, do you? | |
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Posted: 12/11/2007 6:35:28 AM | You see, in countries, where MEN are MEN, not pussies, we protect the innocent, the frail, women and children.
-- well, where I come from, protecting women, children, the innocent et al, is held in the highest regard. we are willing however, to do so at any cost and by whatever means are available, including firearms.
Eliminating firearms from the general public is the best place to start.....that's what REAL MEN do!!!!!!!!!
- really? real men create more victims?
You terrorist is your next door neighbour....I'm glad places like mine have strict Visa's for entrance into the country, anyone with a fire arms offence simply can't enter......even snoop dog...........inbred gun toting morons like yourself will never ever be able to contribute to a normal functioning society, well not here anyway, and i sleep well at night,and safely, do you?
- not a fan of snoop dogg, but to call us inbred morons because we protect ourselves is just intellectually bereft. Good for your country, its just not for us.
-- oh and I sleep well at night - a .45 under my pillow offers as much comfort as my waterbed. | |
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| 19 Year Old Kills 8 Shoppers in Mall
Posted: 12/11/2007 6:57:20 AM | Robert A. Heinlein wrote that an armed society is a polite society.
The common perception is that armed societies were polite because an act of rudeness might evolve into a duel, as portrayed in Dumas' The Three Musketeers. The real reason, though, is the mindset and psychology that come with responsible weapon ownership. The knight's sword was a symbol of his duty to protect weaker members of society and behave chivalrously, e.g. with respect and courtesy to women, elderly people, and so on. The sword was the soul of the Japanese samurai, a constant reminder of the samurai's duty and code of behavior. The sword was a symbol of taking responsibility, not only for one's self, but usually for others.
The modern American who buys a firearm for self-protection is saying, "I recognize that life involves danger, and by owning a weapon I accept my responsibility to protect myself and those who are entitled to my protection-- my wife/husband, children, parents, and perhaps friends and neighbors." An American who shoots at targets for recreation is practicing a form of self-discipline similar to kyudo (Japanese archery). If you are attacked by a criminal, it is the person with the armed-citizen mindset who is more likely to call the police. If you're in a car accident, this is the person who is more likely to stop and give first aid if possible, or else call an ambulance for you. The antigun activist is likely to look the other way, like the New Yorkers did when Kitty Genovese was stabbed to death. They didn't want to get involved, not even to the extent of picking up a telephone. More recently, a cab driver was attacked and robbed in the presence of dozens of New Yorkers, of whom not one called the police. You could probably bleed to death on a New York sidewalk while dozens of people walked past; these are the same people who parade in the Million Mom March and elect mayors and governors who enact handgun bans.
Many antigun activists are saying, "I do not want to recognize that life involves danger. I deserve to live in a protected environment, and I should not have to think about protecting myself, my spouse, my parents, my children, or my neighbors. This is the 21st century, and violence simply should not happen." It's the same mindset that went with the "ban the Bomb" movements of the 1970s and 1980s; they wanted to legislate the Bomb out of existence and pretend that nuclear war couldn't (and can't) happen. The mice voted to put a bell on the cat so they'd be safe. It all goes with dodging and avoiding responsibility, and the moral (and often physical) cowardice that goes with this mindset. Placing responsibility for violence on the inanimate object (the gun or the Bomb) instead of on people goes with it.
Consider Rosie O'Donnell, who has a bodyguard to protect her and her family. Maybe she wants to delegate the physical risks to an employee, or maybe she doesn't want to endanger her nail polish with a steel trigger guard. Ted Kennedy has, or had, an armed bodyguard. I'm sure this rich man's rich boy who never did a lick of honest work in his entire worthless life would not want to touch anything made of steel, whether it be a household tool or a weapon; that is what servants are for.
Chinese mandarins grew their fingernails long as proof that they did not have to fight or do any work; that is probably why there are no mandarins today.
Here's the problem with all those bodyguards and rent-a-cops that are so popular with our "beautiful people"/ celebrity/ limousine liberal aristocrat class.
Machiavelli's The Prince says that you cannot pay a man enough to make him willing to die for you. That security person is not going to put his life in serious danger to protect you, your spouse, or your child-- and if you're unwilling to do that, why should he?
Why the pro-Second Amendment side will win: Xenophon
Heinlein also defined a gentleman as one who would rather be a dead lion than a live louse (or rabbit). It is really easier, though, to be a live lion than a live rabbit. Xenophon's The Persian Expedition says, "...the people whose one aim is to keep alive usually find a wretched and dishonorable death, while the people who, realizing that death is the common lot of all men, make it their endeavor to die with honor, somehow seem more often to reach old age and to have a happier life when they are alive." So it is with antigun activists and gun rights supporters.
The former seek safety in ineffective laws and "this is how the world ought to be," and they find no safety; the latter look to themselves for security, and they are secure. Xenophon's Ten Thousand heeded his advice and most came safely home to Greece. Ronald Reagan and George Bush won the Cold War, not by trying to ban the Bomb, but by looking it in the face..
We, the supporters of the Second Amendment, are Xenophon's disciples, and that is why we will win; the lions will beat the rabbits every time.
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Posted: 12/11/2007 12:47:17 PM | o quote your idiotic Anti-American post where you bash us all and call us names:
"That's the most inteligent thing a man of your calibre could say.
You see, in countries, where MEN are MEN, not pussies, we protect the innocent, the frail, women and children.
Eliminating firearms from the general public is the best place to start.....that's what REAL MEN do!!!!!!!!!
You terrorist is your next door neighbour....I'm glad places like mine have strict Visa's for entrance into the country, anyone with a fire arms offence simply can't enter......even snoop dog...........inbred gun toting morons like yourself will never ever be able to contribute to a normal functioning society, well not here anyway, and i sleep well at night,and safely, do you?"
So AUSTRALIA has real men but America doesn't?
Sorry Charlie, you get thrown back into the big pond. And WE are not "inbred gun toting morons" nor are our men "pussies". You are the moron here, and an ill mannered, ill bred little baby at that! But then, what can I expect from people who were BRED FROM ENGLISH CRIMINALS??? | |
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| 19 Year Old Kills 8 Shoppers in Mall
Posted: 12/11/2007 12:50:05 PM | | Blacks are so oftened portrayed in the media as mostly being criminals. We seldom are recognized for the intellectual beings that many of our people truly are. It's an odd thing that when whites shoot up malls, schools, and churches they are classified as emotionally or mentally disturbed after killing many victims. However, when blacks beat up people, irregardless of race, and the victims are still alive the blacks are criminals. Why the double standard? In all cases the perpetrators are criminals!! So many times white criminals are sent to mental institutions for their first offense, thus they are released without a criminal record to commit mass murders or to become serial killers. | |
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Posted: 12/11/2007 3:00:52 PM |
You terrorist is your next door neighbour....I'm glad places like mine have strict Visa's for entrance into the country, anyone with a fire arms offence simply can't enter......even snoop dog...........inbred gun toting morons like yourself will never ever be able to contribute to a normal functioning society, well not here anyway, and i sleep well at night,and safely, do you?
I think the fact that you ignore my serious points, and instead focus on this inflammatory crap. You're making no real arguements here and coming off as a childish name caller. Do you have any real desire to actually debate the issue or do you just like to yell alot? | |
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Posted: 12/12/2007 6:36:45 AM | "I'd like it if you could show me any evidence that free access to firearms has made any nation safer."
well given that better access to arms may have prevented millions of jews from being gassed in germany...... but I'll step aside from the 1930s for a moment and discuss the present day realities - Washington DC, which has close to a 100% ban on firearms, is one of the most dangerous places on earth. Removing arms from its citizens endangers them every day - if sense prevails, recent lawsuits and challenges will restore their rights.
In Boston , where Im from, we have some of the most restrictive arms laws - the murder rate is soaring in Dorchester and Mattappan - why? guns are heavily restricted.
My point is, you disarm a populace, you disarm only those willing to turn the guns in. the second the us does that, a country founded BY firearms, you endanger the populace further and remove a very essence of our founding. | |
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Posted: 12/12/2007 2:33:26 PM | | In our society, there are a lot more LOST nineteen year- olds out there.!! There are also many, many other people out there, that nobody and our society wants to deal with. It is not guns, that is the cause of these shootings- it's the pathethic, ( turn the other cheek ) society we live in, that does cause these individuals to crack. Our society, and government, does not want to admit, that in some instances, they have failed the people miserably!!!!! | |
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Posted: 12/15/2007 3:36:53 PM | Why does the cause - and the solution - to this kind of crap seem so clear to me and doesn't even seem to occur to anyone else? Maybe I'm nuts, so I'll throw this out there...
PERHAPS some laws that would further restrict gun access to troubled individuals might help - but the problem has more to do with the 1st Amendment than the 2nd Amendment, and I'll tell you why...
Once upon a time, journalism had ethics. They could be relied upon to withhold information when necessary or prudent. For instance - if they knew in advance, do you think the press would keep the secret of something like the D-Day invasion today? No, I don't either.
When that schmuck who shot up Virginia Tech sent his manifesto and his videos to NBC News earlier this year, how much consideration do you think they gave the matter before they decided to run with it?
And now, this Omaha shooter - he sees the treatment the last guy got, says he is "going to go out and be famous," and - thanks to the efforts of the mainstream press - he gets his wish - IN EXACTLY THE WAY HE WANTED.
Well, I'm for giving these guys what they wish, but NOT in any way they would want...
If I were the holder of the first and only copies of the Virginia Tech shooter's videos, their first stop would be the editing department. Not to edit out one second or syllable - but to digitally add clown makeup to the idiot's face and to raise his voice by at least two octaves...
The bulk of the jerks that are perpetrating these shootings are geeks and losers that were teased all their lives and decided to go out as "badasses". They put on black trenchcoats and shave their heads and brandish serious weapons - for the last few minutes of their lives. And that's the way they expect to be remembered. And we give 'em just that. So the next one to come along knows that he'll get the same treatment.
Someone needs to create a website - a "shrine", if you will, to the perpetual loser - a "Gallery of Geekdom" that would become known as the FIRST STOP for information about school shooters and other such a-holes. Get tons of photos of how pathetic they looked in real life, embarrassing stories from kids that knew them, that kind of stuff. If it took hold - if it really took hold, and they knew they'd be remembered forever as the pathetic geeks they really were - it would stop.
These kids are gonna keep doing this as long as they see other kids with their mindset getting what they want... | |
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Posted: 12/15/2007 3:59:17 PM | | GEE CAPE DID YA FORGET ABOUT THE VIRGINA NUT THAT SHOT ALL THOSE PEOPLE WITH A RIFLE THREW A HOLE IN HIS TRUNK AND THE GUY WHO KILLED ALL THOSE LITTLE AMISH CHILDREN IN PA THINK YA BETTER SEARCH BEFORE YA TALK | |
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Posted: 12/15/2007 4:50:46 PM |
Someone needs to create a website - a "shrine", if you will, to the perpetual loser - a "Gallery of Geekdom" that would become known as the FIRST STOP for information about school shooters and other such a-holes. Get tons of photos of how pathetic they looked in real life, embarrassing stories from kids that knew them, that kind of stuff. If it took hold - if it really took hold, and they knew they'd be remembered forever as the pathetic geeks they really were - it would stop.
The problem is that many times , like at Columbine, these kids get bullied and that (for some reason) is the genesis of what turns into a shooting spree. Bullying them after death, as you suggest, might conceivably make others like them even more dedicated to striking out at the world.
Initially, it seems like a good idea. It might have exactly the reverse effect in reality however. These people are mentally ill, without any doubt. What seems rational and logical to us may not be considered in the same way by them. | |
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Posted: 12/15/2007 6:43:52 PM | The problem is that many times , like at Columbine, these kids get bullied and that (for some reason) is the genesis of what turns into a shooting spree. Bullying them after death, as you suggest, might conceivably make others like them even more dedicated to striking out at the world.
Initially, it seems like a good idea. It might have exactly the reverse effect in reality however. These people are mentally ill, without any doubt. What seems rational and logical to us may not be considered in the same way by them.
Throughout my school years, I was a scrawny kid with a big nose, big ears, and glasses. Believe me, I was taunted relentlessly, so I have a bit of insight here.
Did I have dark dreams of revenge? Sure. Lots of kids do. Did I act on any of them? No, never.
Compassion for these perpetrators is misplaced. Save it for those who restrain themselves and ultimately learn that "living well" is the best revenge. (Perhaps Bill Gates should film a public service announcement to that effect.)
I am, by no means, condoning ridiculing and bullying and teasing. But too many harassed young losers are perceiving this school shooting business as the ultimate "Extreme Makeover": everyone forgets what they were before that last half-hour of their lives. If they thought it mightn't work, if they saw their predecessors receive neither compassion nor glory, you think that wouldn't stop 'em dead in their tracks? I think it would. | |
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Posted: 12/15/2007 7:39:56 PM |
Did I have dark dreams of revenge? Sure. Lots of kids do. Did I act on any of them? No, never.
Hey, I had my share of that too. The difference between most of us, and them, is that they are mentally ill. If you look at most of those shooters (even Canadian ones , like the fellow at Dawson here in Montreal) is that they cross that line into madness.
Because of that, and their hatred and feelings of being powerless, they reach for the one "answer" to both their problems.
“I want to go down in a blaze of bullets.”
"like Romeo and Juliet -- or in a hail of gunfire''
- Kimveer Gill
"About 26.5 hours from now the judgement will begin. Difficult but not impossible, necessary, nervewracking & fun. What fun is life without a little death? It�s interesting, when i'm in my human form, knowing i'm going to die. Everything has a touch of triviality to it."
-Dylan Klebold ( diary entry 24 hours before Columbine)
"I will sooner die than betray my own thoughts, but before I leave this worthless place, I will kill whoever I deem unfit..."
"What were they thinking?" He answered, "I want to burn the world, I want to kill everyone except about 5 people...if we get busted any time, we start killing then and there...I ain't going out without a fight."
"I�m full of hate and I love it."
- Eric Harris ( diary entries)
Forgive the mistakes, I only had 15 minutes to write this. See also Annex.
Please note that if I am committing suicide today 89/12/06 it is not for economic reasons (for I have waited until I exhausted all my financial means, even refusing jobs) but for political reasons. For I have decided to send Ad Patres the feminists who have ruined my life. It has been seven years that life does not bring me any joy and being totally blase, I have decided to put an end to those viragos.
I had already tried as a youth to enlist in the [Armed] Forces as an officer cadet, which would have allowed me to enter the arsenal and precede Lortie in a rampage. They refused me because of asociality. So I waited until this day to carry out all my projects. In between, I continued my studies in a haphazard way for they never really interested me, knowing in advance my fate. Which did not prevent me from obtaining very good marks despite not handing in my theory assignments and studying little before exams.
Even though the Mad Killer epithet will be attributed to me by the media, I consider myself a rational and erudite person that only the arrival of the Grim Reaper has forced to undertake extreme acts. For why persevere in existing if it is only to please the government? Being rather retrograde by nature (except for science), the feminists always have a talent for enraging me. They want to retain the advantages of being women (e.g. cheaper insurance, extended maternity leave preceded by a preventive leave) while trying to grab those of the men.
Thus, it is self-evident that if the Olympic Games removed the Men/Women distinction, there would be only be women in the graceful events. So the feminists are not fighting to remove that barrier. They are so opportunistic that they neglect to profit from the knowledge accumulated by men throughout the ages. They always try to misrepresent them every time they can. Thus, the other day, people were honoring the Canadian men and women who fought at the frontlines during the world wars. How does this sit with the fact that women were not authorized to go to the frontline at the time??? Will we hear of Caesar's female legions and female galley slaves who of course took up 50 per cent of history's ranks, although they never existed? A real Casus Belli. Sorry for this too brief letter.
- Marc Lepine's suicide note.
The common thread here is a mind that has snapped, filled with hatred , and at the point where death's embrace is welcomed. These cases are typically "suicide by cop" where the shooters not only realize their fate - they welcome it.
That's why these type of incidents won't ever be eliminated in society, where people have access to firearms. The only hope of reducing them is to make sure the things that cause these young minds to snap (and they are most common to young people) are reduced in some way, and that we work together in society to reach out to them long before they start on this path to madness.
As I keep repeating , even in Quebec we've had four such shooting rampages - even with strong gun control. This proves gun control is of rather limited value in stopping these events.
In many of these cases clear warnings were seen by others, and not acted upon because they did not want to get involved. | |
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