| Which Bible verse is a lie?
Posted: 12/17/2007 3:54:08 AM | | The Antichrist (Dajjal) is real and so are devils, also know as satans, shaitans bad Jinn, whatever name you want to call to them, they exist. If you believe that Almighty God reveals fiction and fact to His creation then what does that say about this God you believe in? Why would He potentially confuse some like that? Allah is all knowing, all wise. | |
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| Which Bible verse is a lie?
Posted: 12/17/2007 11:37:43 AM |
By worldly things, did you mean "things" like water, food and shelter?
Yeah...how dare "others" lust for such worldly things...it's a shame really...
And then "they" (those undeserving "others") wonder why their prayers are not answered...sheesh...
Actually, by worldly things I mean internet, television, wealth, fine food, fine clothes, and more of the riches of this age... and you know that was what I meant.
Hey OldSoul... what is a feminist, atheist, anti-religious, and anti-Christian person like you doing posting in this discussion anyway??? Your agenda is CLEARLY not to discuss or contribute to the topic at hand... just to twist words and inject hatred into the discussion.
Get your kicks... at someone else's expense.
"Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man."
~Thomas Paine~
Clearly... belief in "no God" makes a cruel woman...
I suggest you take your anti-religious agenda to another forum.
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| Which Bible verse is a lie?
Posted: 12/17/2007 11:53:55 AM | Fiddler, I am curious as to which biography of Tolkien you are getting these "facts" from? I am not doubting you at this point, just want to know as to my knowledge, Tolkien himself never wrote an autobiography so it would be hard to know what he thought unless he stated it publicly. The only thing I ever read negative about Tolkien and Lewis' relationship was that Tolkien was disappointed that Lewis did not become a Roman Catholic and joined the Church of England instead.
Humphrey Carpenter's...the only "officially sanctioned" biography done during the man's life as I understand it.
The opinions of Mere Christianity are mine, not Tolkien's...I am extrapolating somewhat but I can only imagine that based on the very basic and glaring level of fallacy is engaged in that someone of Tolkien's intellect would have been rather dismayed...which is why I was so shocked when I read it that Lewis did it...in fact I was rather disappointed myself. The biography as I recall did make mention of the disappointment of Tolkien over Lewis going Church of England but also his rather overly exuberant approach to his new found faith. I am perhaps reading a good deal more between the lines than was there...then again perhaps not. | |
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| Which Bible verse is a lie?
Posted: 12/17/2007 12:02:42 PM |
Hey OldSoul... what is a feminist, atheist, anti-religious, and anti-Christian person like you doing posting in this discussion anyway??? Your agenda is CLEARLY not to discuss or contribute to the topic at hand... just to twist words and inject hatred into the discussion.
Excuse me??????
Who the hell do YOU think you are to decide who can post here or not???
For your information, I have been posting here on the religious forums for almost a year now. I know and respect most of the posters on here and most of them have made me feel very welcome here.
This forum is open to EVERYONE.
I am entitled to MY opinions just like you are entitled to yours.
What you are NOT not entitled to do however is to insult, bash, or ridicule other posters, OR claim exclusivity of the truth...please familiarize yourself with the rules.
If you would have taken the time to read ANY of my prior posts before injecting YOUR hatred and YOUR biased words, you would know that hatred for others is the LAST thing on my mind.
I suggest you take your anti-religious agenda to another forum.
And I strongly suggest you learn the rules of this forum before you get yourself banned. And no I didn't report you post...I will let it slide this one time.
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| Which Bible verse is a lie?
Posted: 12/17/2007 1:11:25 PM |
Clearly... belief in "no God" makes a cruel woman... You clearly do not have a clue about the woman you are addressing...
I suggest you show some respect, lest your words expose YOU for that which you accuse her of ;)
Regardless of our differing beliefs, she will always be beautifulsoul to me | |
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| Which Bible verse is a lie?
Posted: 12/17/2007 5:25:36 PM |
Others don't deserve to have their prayers answered because they lust too much for worldly things.
Some of the “worldly” things? Wouldn’t they include things on your list… Football, soccer, movies, my car, baseball, Basketball, Tarot, television, Martial Arts, chess and right here on the Internet?
Who’s painting who black? | |
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| Which Bible verse is a lie?
Posted: 12/17/2007 6:40:05 PM | Some verses are not intentionally lies, but based on lack of scientific knowledge. For instance, the reference to people being possessed with demons demonstrates the lack of knowledge in Biblical times about various mental illnesses. Additionally, comments about homosexuality are also based on the lack of knowledge of genetics and sexual orientation during Biblical times.
However, there is so much good in the Bible, such as the Psalms, that the unscientific lines are far outweighed by the positive information in the Bible that give good guidance to life. One instance is a line that says "it is better to be poor and honest than rich and crooked." That line is timeless advice that emphasizes the importance of honesty.
Miracles do happen! I actually agree with Tomozzo on something: That there is no devil or anti-Christ, but only GOD. A simple point that tells it just like it is! | |
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| Which Bible verse is a lie?
Posted: 12/18/2007 3:38:14 AM | Pertaining to my disagreement with OldSoul, I've messaged her personally and any further mention of it here is irrellivent and off-topic...
Pertaining to furthering this discussion... and promoting discussion instead of argument:
Some of the “worldly” things? Wouldn’t they include things on your list… Football, soccer, movies, my car, baseball, Basketball, Tarot, television, Martial Arts, chess and right here on the Internet?
Skypoet - I never complained about any of my prayers not being answered. Technically, I'm already "painted black"; and in-fact that's what my point was about. All those things I listed in my "interests" on my profile ARE worldly things. If I was complaining about not having my prayers answered... (according to what I posted, according to my opinion) there's the reason they wouldn't be answered. I enjoy many worldly things... why should any God reward me or people like me? I am "rich" in the "riches" of this age and continually seek more of this age's "riches".
So many of us nowadays are so consumed, interested, and distracted by worldly things and are "rich" in the things of the age we live in that we are spiritually out of touch; why should our prayers be answered? (and now I reference The Bible again) Not only did Jesus say that it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven... but he also said that God knows what you need before you ask... and I sited a verse in The Bible which says why certain people didn't (and by extention to modern times certain people don't) have their prayers answered. My post was that simple...
I never for a moment said that I (in any way) believe that poverty-stricken people don't "deserve" to have their prayers answered. If anyone "cared" to actually "ask" me about my opinion on poverty-stricken people... and how what I said extends to them... I'd be more than happy to answer that question. However, nobody asked me that question.
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| Which Bible verse is a lie?
Posted: 12/18/2007 5:15:51 AM | The discussion has been interesting, but I keep going back to the original post.
{ QUOTE "Jer 1:12............I am ready to perform My Word.
Jn 16:24..........Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full.
Mt 21:22..........whatever things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.
Jer 33:3..........Call to Me, and I will answer you, and show you great and mighty things...
Jn 14:14..........If you ask anything in my name, I will do it.
Jn 16:23..........whatever you ask the Father in My name He will give you.
Jas 5:16..........The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much.
Job 22:27........You will make your prayer to Him, He will hear you...
1Jn 5:14..........Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us.
1Jn 5:15..........And if we know that He hears us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we have asked of Him.
Jn 14:13..........And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Isa 55:11.........So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; it shall not return void, but it shall accomplish what I please, and it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.
Jn 15:7............If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you.
Mt 18:18..........Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Mt 18:19..........Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven.
Jn 15:16..........You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you.
Jer 29:12..........Then you will call upon Me and go and pray to Me, and I will listen to you.
Isa 65:24..........It shall come to pass that before they call, I will answer, and while they are speaking I will hear.
Ps 91:15..........He shall call upon Me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him and honor him.
Ps 141:2..........Let my prayer be set before You as incense, the lifting of my hands as the evening sacrifice." QUOTE ENDS}
My first instinct, I am ashamed to say, was that here is yet another sermon.
But as synchronicity rears its' timely head, I just happened to watch a programme by Jack Canfield on PBS last night about manifesting positive outcomes. And yes, he is one of the co-contributors of "The Secret". lol, I can hear the groans.....
Throughout the programme, I kept on thinking that his suggestions of visualisation, meditation and thankfulness are prayer-like. The "secret" is belief. Is it possible that the writers of these quotes are the Biblical equivalent of today's "Secret" authors?
When one is down and out, it is hard to imagine that things can get better. The negativity feeds on itself, and belief in better outcomes is next to impossible to achieve. I believe that this is why some prayers go unanswered. Belief is key in my opinion, and I have found this to work in my life.
So, I don't pray per se, but I do let my intent flow into the Universe. Yesterday, a series of judgements on my behalf left me quite distraught, but I focussed on the positive, and was absolutely dumbfounded when, at the end of the day, someone I thought who felt negative towards me said words that were most uplifting to me. A "prayer" answered and I delighted in the brief encounter all the way home.
So my long answer is, I don't think any of the Biblical verses cited are a lie in Ravenworld context. They tell me that intent of prayer and steadfast belief in your intent are what is answered. It tells me that God/Creator/All That Is are willing to work with you to create your own reality.
Regardless of our differing beliefs, she will always be beautifulsoul to me
My thoughts exactly. Stay true to yourself girl, it's all good!
Cheers, Raven | |
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| Which Bible verse is a lie?
Posted: 12/18/2007 5:16:45 AM |
Pertaining to my disagreement with OldSoul, I've messaged her personally and any further mention of it here is irrellivent and off-topic...
Irrelevant and off topic, in a discussion about lie? I don’t think so, and I hope you were man enough to include an apology.
Skypoet - I never complained about any of my prayers not being answered. Technically, I'm already "painted black";
Oh, I can see that… it’s why you’re reflecting it back on to others.
and in-fact that's what my point was about. All those things I listed in my "interests" on my profile ARE worldly things. If I was complaining about not having my prayers answered... (according to what I posted, according to my opinion) there's the reason they wouldn't be answered.
Do you think that’s what Christ’s message was? He lived with all kinds of people, he did the travelling thing – going to them as much as those coming unto him. You really need to study up on Christ’s message before assuming you know whose prayers will be answered.
I enjoy many worldly things... why should any God reward me or people like me?
Hell… if they make you feel guilty, throw them away!
I am "rich" in the "riches" of this age and continually seek more of this age's "riches".
You sound confused… you either want what’s natural “worldly” or you don’t… well I’m here to tell you, there is nothing wrong with having positions… it’s when you put all those things before the love of you fellow men that’s wrong.
Here’s an oxymoron for you… Love can mean nothing, but it actually means everything.
Have a nice day and Merry Xmas! :)
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| Which Bible verse is a lie?
Posted: 12/18/2007 8:19:42 PM | Listen the bible was written to teach who ever read it. But as for what i believe it's nothing more than fantasy a story carried down through the centry's .
In my time iam sure any one else out there would ask for some thing such as a new house , car, ect. to be honest do you realy think what you ask god or any one you will recieve it i think not.
As for christ if he did exsist that man had it made he lived of every one else ate there food slept in there bed's and being a profit speaking his believe's no wonder why they wanted him dead . | |
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| Which Bible verse is a lie?
Posted: 12/19/2007 8:39:45 AM | ALL OF THEM!
Bible=Grim Fairy Tale. Best selling work of fiction on the market. | |
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| Which Bible verse is a lie?
Posted: 12/20/2007 8:17:27 PM | | LOL Peace & LOve....did you have to move the computer to put up the Christmas tree this year? If you havent read it...How would you knw either way? The Bible is only a message of how to live together.....You have a problems with a book being to nice? ~ Jr_Senator ~ | |
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| Which Bible verse is a lie?
Posted: 12/21/2007 3:52:24 AM | Dunk
How do I put this... I think that most people need to believe in something more powerful then their self. To make life easier for them. Something to blame or thank depending on the out come. Something to give reason to all the madness. Things do happen that cant be explained and things happen that we don't notice but things happen for a reason for the most part. sometimes its hard to find out what the reason is. or to even find a purpose. You don't always get what you want but if you try you can get what you need. So to me all of them are a lie in one way or another. You have no clue how much easier my life would be if I thought there was something up there that cared. But life has showed me different. To be honest if there is anything up there it stopped caring along time ago. And man has a way of twisting things around to fit their on point of view. Just live a good life treat people right and try to be happy and do your best. Just make sure when you look back on your life you can hold your head up and say I did my best and tried my hardest to live a good life and help others. Don't know if that help or not. Just my opinion. | |
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| Which Bible verse is a lie?
Posted: 12/21/2007 4:16:30 AM | for me, the Bible is a unique book, written over a period of 1600 years. It was even prophesised that there would be trouble in the middle-east, and to this day, there is no much trouble in that region. It is a book which has transformed so many lives. God allows suffering to take place in this world today, as a way of drawing people to Himself. OK, there maybe so many different translations/interpretations of the Bible today, but you see, man/woman has tried to change the Bible so that it serves their own purposes.
But I have to disagree with the previous message, it is not just about living a good life and doing the best we can, the Bible says that way of trying to please God is like being a filthy rag, just fit to be thrown away. | |
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| Which Bible verse is a lie?
Posted: 12/21/2007 6:23:43 PM |
for me, the Bible is a unique book, written over a period of 1600 years. It was even prophesised that there would be trouble in the middle-east, and to this day, there is no much trouble in that region.
That's an amazing prediction. The Milk Jug predicts that there will be trouble in America over the next 2 years.
God allows suffering to take place in this world today, as a way of drawing people to Himself.
Actually it was the Milk Jug that did that. | |
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| Which Bible verse is a lie?
Posted: 12/21/2007 8:49:25 PM |
really have to get me some lactase!!! Lol...
Sorry thats only available for the true Juciples... | |
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| Which Bible verse is a lie?
Posted: 12/22/2007 12:56:05 AM | I dont try to please God. Dont believe in it sorry. Yet I dont murder kill or even try to make someone think what I do. I have no problem with religion. Most teach the right thing. Love respect and help. Most just think that unless you believe what they do then your wrong. And no matter how many good things you do they dont count as much as theirs. Every good deed I do is not to get to heaven. I do it just because it is the right thing to do. Why do people say do things that are good because its what god wants. Why not do them just because its right?
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| Which Bible verse is a lie?
Posted: 12/22/2007 7:01:30 AM | dunrich
This is just my understanding and study of it.
Yes you can ask and it shall be given but you have to understand free will can not be violated. So if you asked for something if it was dropped into your lap that would violate free will to accept it.
That is forcing it onto you.
Instead IMO God will set in motion a path that you can walk out to recieve what you asked for. That won't violate your free will.
The farther away from the current situation you are in, that the thing you asked for is, then the more choices you have to make in alignment with what you asked for in order to reach the point where you get to CHOOSE to recieve it.
Others here have said it in similar ways. It will work if you meditate and listen. That is the hard thing to do. Many people ask and then hang up the phone before recieving the response and instructions on what to do to get it.
Kinda like ordering a pizza and then hanging up the phone before you tell them your address. The pizza guy can still find your house to deliver the pizza if he CHOOSES to by taking your number off the caller ID and either A. doing a online search to match up the phone number with the address or B. calling you back.
So basically when you call in your order are you hanging up before it is done and then getting frustrated when the Pizza isn't delivered?...lol
Likely a bad example but maybe that might make some sense to someone. | |
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| Which Bible verse is a lie?
Posted: 12/22/2007 11:34:29 AM | ~DREAMS~
This is just my understanding and study of it.
Yes you can ask of the Milk Jug and it shall be given but you have to understand free will can not be violated. So if you asked for something if it was dropped into your lap that would violate free will to accept it.
That is forcing it onto you.
Instead IMO the Milk Jug will set in motion a path that you can walk out to receive what you asked for. That won't violate your free will. | |
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| Which Bible verse is a lie?
Posted: 12/26/2007 12:00:08 PM | | None of it is a lie as long as you don't take it literally.The problem with people is that they take the bible too literally.The bible was actually written in codes and symbols.Organized religions make it literal and threatening | |
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| Which Bible verse is a lie?
Posted: 12/26/2007 12:21:29 PM | | God did not write the bible man did.And Jesus did not give any quotes.He just stated things in parables.These parables were taken the way people wanted to take them.If they were truely spiritual then they used them the right way. | |
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| Which Bible verse is a lie?
Posted: 12/26/2007 2:31:09 PM | The God of the Christians deserted this world a long time ago !!! Take it from one who knows , unanswered prayer is no lie when there is simply no one listening any longer .  | |
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| Which Bible verse is a lie?
Posted: 12/27/2007 12:35:44 AM | | None of the verses are lies or mislead you or to trick you......They each have a meaning & are baced up with other verses.....There is no Great attempt to deceive you by God......If a man wishes to try to trick you ask where there information can be read?you will know the heart of the man......The Closer you get the more you understand, the easier it gets....... ~Jr_Senator~ | |
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