and as far as Americans being uneducated.....

these are people from countries that are neutral and wouldnt fight to save their own countries.

yet they believe it makes them a great and liberated nation to bash what we do on our side of the border.

and as far as Americans being uneducated.....

Kill a clueless lib with the words of their rapist idol!!!!!

"It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is."

(referencing sexual relations)

- Bill Clinton (1998)

"It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is."

- President Bush (2006)

( referencing torture)

I thought that jed451s post on page 18 would have put this baby to sleep but, the giggling three amigos want to keep it awake. They must think their opinion is greater than the four retired JAGS who wrote:

"The Rule of Law is fundamental to our existance as a civilized nation. The Rule Of Law is not a goal which we merely aspire to achieve; it is the floor below which we must not sink....To suggest otherwise--or even give credence to such a suggestion--represents both an affront to the law and to the core values of our nation."

Grow up guys

oh please tallirish-
doesn't the US bash what's on the other side of OUR border? (talk about people in glass houses),

In conclusion, the Supreme Court observes that in a democracy, the fight against terror is subject to the rule of law. In its fight against international terrorism, Israel must act according to the rules of international law. These rules are based on balancing. We must balance security needs and human rights. The need to balance casts a heavy load upon those whose job is to provide security. Not every efficient means is also legal. The ends do not justify the means. In one case the Court decided the question whether the state was permitted to order its interrogators to employ special methods of interrogation which involved the use of force against terrorists, in a "ticking bomb" situation. The Court answered that question in the negative. In President Barak's judgment, he described the difficult security situation in which Israel finds itself, and added:

"We are aware that this judgment of ours does not make confronting that reality any easier. That is the fate of democracy, in whose eyes not all means are permitted, and to whom not all the methods used by her enemies are open. At times democracy fights with one hand tied behind her back. Despite that, democracy has the upper hand, since preserving the rule of law and recognition of individual liberties constitute an important component of her security stance. At the end of the day, they strengthen her and her spirit, and allow her to overcome her difficulties (HCJ 5100/94 The Public Committee against Torture in Israel v. The State of Israel , 53(4) PD 817, 845).

That's Israel's Supreme Court's opinion on the matter, and Israel has faced far more danger from terrorists , and suffered far more dead and wounded from their acts, than perhaps most nations - and certainly more than the USA, in terms of numbers of attacks and their lethality.

In conclusion, the Supreme Court observes that in a democracy, the fight against terror is subject to the rule of law. In its fight against international terrorism, Israel must act according to the rules of international law. These rules are based on balancing. We must balance security needs and human rights. The need to balance casts a heavy load upon those whose job is to provide security. Not every efficient means is also legal. The ends do not justify the means.

ok edisto- ask Juanita Broadderick about Bill Clinton. Or Kathleen Willey. Or Paula Jones- three cases of Clinton sexually attacking women. There are others. So- you lose on that one- BIG TIME!

these women may have accused Clinton of rape but he was never charged...
therefore, HE is not a "rapist" as you called him
therefore, YOU are still an example of "Americans being uneducated"

Cost of country getting screwed by Bush, almost 4000 troops and trillions of dollars

The usual double standard? Or does your previous post which I cut and pasted below for your convenience indicate that
1.) Bush is not guilty of anything because he has not been charged, and
2.) YOU are another example of "Americans being uneducated"?

Cost of country getting screwed by Bush, almost 4000 troops and trillions of dollars

so if you are not charged then you are not a criminal

then what are we arguing about no one has been charged with the "crime" of waterboarding...

That being until it is actually declared to be illegal by legislation then it is not, no matter what "superior" liberal opinions may hold.

If it were illegal then why is Congress trying to push through a bill making it illegal, could be to emphasize the it's not just illegal, it's REALLY illegal...????

The law is to make it EQUALLY illegal under US law for US citizens to engage in torture OUTSIDE the US (which makes it REALLY illegal because it closes that little loophole).

you can be a criminal even if you are not charged
however, laws do not allow YOU to call people “rapist” unless they have been charged AND convicted...Clinton was neither, so legally, he is not a rapist, that may be an opinion, but to state it as fact, is slander, so I am correct in saying "he is not a rapist", again, unless he is proven guilty in America, he is considered innocent, no one is by law, allowed to call someone a rapist, unless it has been proven in the court-

Bush brings the country to its knees and the entire country gets screwed...

to call one a “rapist” is LITERAL , you are saying that that person had sexual relations without the consent of the VICTIM…

to be a rapist, it has to be PROVEN in a court that there were VICTIMS by PROVING it was not concensual

“Slander is a civil wrong (tort) and can be the basis for a lawsuit Some statements such as an untrue accusation of having committed a crime, having a loathsome disease, or being unable to perform one's occupation are treated as slander per se since the harm and malice are obvious, and therefore usually result in general and even punitive damage recovery by the person harmed.”

my comment…

this is figurative language...thought after your lengthy rebuttals you would be able to understand the difference between literal and figurative language, also, to say one “screwed” the country could mean MANY things since the word “screw” has so many definitions-
so to say I ‘slandered the president is in one word…STUPID

Again, this is all smoke and mirrors…
Clinton has NOTHING to do with waterboarding
Bush has everything to do with waterborarding and yes, Bush has SCREWED the country-

Let me see if I have this correct. Clinton allegedly improperly uses