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Posted: 12/21/2007 1:48:27 PM | "Alpha males" when in reality an alpha male is a dominator and in many cases a destructive invidual who is only interested in his own interests and no one else's Technically Serial killers and murderers could be deemed as "alpha males"
I don't know in what box of cereal you read the definition of an alpha male. What you think is an alpha male is a creature that sooner or later will end up at the pen.
If you read and if you even try to learn how not to be a conformist victim. You will perhaps learn that alpha males these days don't go around walking like John Wayne shooting every body. They are climbing Mount Everest, they are Biking, cycling, doing stuff. They are the Steve Jobs of the world. They are thinking new companies, are being part of companies that try to make something.
What does this even mean? So you try at something and failed and instead of evaluating why you failed so you can do better next time me you sitback and think
If you are going to take what I say out of context at least give it the correct meaning. You give it your all, that's what it means. Yes if you fail, you learn, you get up, try a different route. But you don't go around, well, we could have done this or that. Excuse, excuse, excuse. You do it.
And no, you are not ready to understand the simple statement that is "I WANT". It means I want that, or a want this car, or I want that type of woman, or I want this type of life. The problem with half the people in this place is that they don't point and they don't think of what they want or may be able to have. The thing is that you first have to think it. You first have to say that is what I want and I am going to go get it. | |
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Posted: 12/21/2007 2:27:40 PM | Definition of an Alpha male
"a domineering man; the dominant member in a group of males, esp. animals
Example: Alpha male traits have been widely seen recently in American politics. "
Source: Dictionary reference.com
This is a textbook definition of what an alpha male is. Now if you believe an alpha male is just some guy who likes to climb mountains and bike through Europe, by all means fine, he might be an alpha male be there is a pretty good chance he isn't. (An alpha male dominates) he's just some guy who likes to climb mountains and bike.
"If you read and if you even try to learn how not to be a conformist victim"
Where did I say I'm being a victim? as for conforming. A conformer is someone who only believes in one type of way to do things. Or only one type of man can attract women. Someone who claims to work with so called "alpha males" and wants to be like them oh gee who does that remind you of Outmind? Ever heard of looking at someone as an individual? People live different lives and have different experiences that shape who they are. What worked for you may not work for them.
"And no, you are not ready to understand the simple statement that is "I WANT". It means I want that, or a want this car, or I want that type of woman, or I want this type of life. The problem with half the people in this place is that they don't point and they don't think of what they want or may be able to have. The thing is that you first have to think it. You first have to say that is what I want and I am going to go get it."
LMAO You think I haven't heard all this before? I got news for you, You're not Tony Robbins so enough already. I understand the phrase "I want" well enough to know what within my reach and what isn't It's about being logical, Sure you could work towards something but if the effort ends up outweighing the reward, it seems pretty pointless then. | |
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Posted: 12/21/2007 2:34:23 PM | ..and by the way, neither of you two is an Alpha male. Or you both are. It doesn't make any difference. Your egos present a sorry sight, and you're killing this thread..
...and don't hate me please, I'm not a psycho le feminist woman, and I don't wear a mustache.. | |
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Posted: 12/21/2007 3:04:12 PM | Re the OPost:
I only read pages 1 and 7.
I agree with much of the rationale and view of what many women do in post 18.
But things are more complex than that.
Many women these days like to be equals and that is OK with me, but then resort to whining, beaching, even bullying personal remarks in order to win an argument (some men do that too and that IMO is a "girlying-beaching" combo that some women and some men use and I frankly find it disgusting.
Real men and real modern women IMO do not hit below the belt, they follow rules like gentlemen and gentlewomen do, they do insist in making their points using logic and manners (difficult combo to manage, indeed) and are not afraid to admit that the other person, man or woman is right, when the debate/discussion is won fair and square by a woman. But fair and square cannot involve personal remarks, nasty comments, beaching and whining etc.
Real men in 2007 respect and find attarctive women who can rationalise and may the best person "win" the point/debate.
When a woman resorts to manipulation and other tradutionally "girlie" or female bully tactics, a real man does not follow. He either exits the discussion and loses respect for the woman or continues an unfair discussion where a girle/bully woman hits below teh belt and defies all rules whereas he keeps his ethos and firm but gentleman like way of maing his points. Even when a chorus of girlie or bullying women and some #&&#& men are crying out "we won, we won". They have won jack sheit. All they have done is show their level and lost all face and sense of dignity.
Women bullies are equally disgusting as men. There is nothing manly or brag worthy in bullying. The same of course can be said of playing the "victim" or "belittled" card.
The behavior of different men and women in these forums are good examples/illustrations of the above.
2 cents
PS. Ah yes, I should add that real women like sex as much as men do and sex and debating have very many similarities these days, relevant to the OPost.
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Posted: 12/21/2007 3:23:00 PM | I personally can't find the answer to that but I've always wondered:
(to paraphrase your original question)
WHY?
WHY?
WHY?! .... Do women turn all 'naggy' when you start to date them? What ever happened to the Alpha Cow? Is that just a myth in the business world?
Women, I love you. I love the way you love....I love how simple it is for you...you are amazing creatures when you are falling in love...
But for the life of me....why is it that you lose yourself when it comes to men? Being a nagging hair-curler-clad much-inflated version of what you were when we started dating you is not attractive! Being a do-this, why-can't-you-do-that kinda girl is not attractive! Be a woman! Speak your thoughts. If you don't like something we do, tell us honestly instead of nagging, b1tch1ng and moaning and claiming we don;t love you and allowing us to think you are no longer a sexy independent woman but a depressive and emotional wreck!
Take Charge! Be the woman in the relationship. We want to feel like you are taken care of, not the other way around!!!
Ok, I needed to get this off my chest. Thanks.
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Now maybe you're not good enough to find real men that will give you what you need. Maybe the "real men" you seek prefer women who are independent enough to succeed in their relationships instead of whining and complaining like you do.
Don't blame the men that YOU choose on YOUR relationship failures.
And real men would rather date an emotionally mature woman that a prissy little princess that b1tches all day. In my case, as much as this thread is entertaining, I'd rather be ripped apart by wild dogs than live with someone as annoying and domesticated as you.  
EDIT: Sorry about that, I just can't stand constant complaining. It's like it never ends. | |
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Posted: 12/21/2007 3:57:22 PM | | There's somebody for everybody out there......if you don't like "girlie men" then don't date them! That simple. I personally am not confined to my proper "gender". I enjoy the challenge of a steep hill, a fast river. I enjoy bang 'em up, high tech movies. Things that in other words are masculine. Doesn't seem to distract from the fact that I'm all woman. A man with a softer side can show me some things that I am missing in my life. A man with a soft kiss, a tender touch......what a wonderful change of pace! | |
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Posted: 12/21/2007 4:12:10 PM | Well OP , by now ~ maybe you have figured or came to a understanding ~ most men are not that way. and you might have actually miss figured your guy ~ or he was a rarity. When some men fall head over heels in love ~ they can be on the sappy side for a while ~ It won't last long. ~ You watch the same woman brush her teeth and put on her panyhoses some few hundred time , it goes away.
I'm older and tired and don't really give a crap about what a woman thinking in regard to my masqulinity ~ or shortless of ~ no pun intended. ~ I don't go jumping out of perfectly good airplanes unless the pay is very good or it's on fire, to prove my manhood
I don't jumping into cold swimming pools unless you have fell in and have yet to surface.
I don't wear Mauth or watermelon colors cause they look faggy ~ I don't care that I'm a "spring" and it looks good on me because of my complexion.
I will let you paint my nails while I'm asleep ~ no biggy ~ it comes off ~ I like soft cloths and jammies ~ I like 50 dollar silk ties and ~ I do my nails with a pocket knife.
I work in jeans and steel toed boots ~ church ~ nice jeans (starch and no stains or holes) and Tony Lama's Bull Hide.
I am a delicate man and now know that we all are ~ with few exceptions
You know ~ I've have women laying a story on me often ~ just because I'm smiling and nodding my head in agreement don't mean I agree or love you ~ just meaning I find you entertaining and amusing. ~ and maybe worth a romp, maybe not. I'm just being polite ~ and seeing just how far you'll take it. ~dar | |
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Posted: 12/21/2007 4:37:36 PM |  Ohhhhh People......7 pages and you STILL SOOOOOO do NOT get it!
If you are like most men out there, you probably have no idea what makes those headstrong, powerful and intelligent career women "tick". I am referring to those women you see in power suits, managing a company or running her own, who seem completely invincible and on top of the world. These women know what they want in life and they do not stop until they get it. They are fast talkers, they can close a deal with a simple wink of the eye, they can make a male subordinate cry with the slightest of disappointed looks and they will never settle for anything less than perfect sexual equality. Furthermore, I think we can all agree that these are the sexiest women out there. Men just love to imagine what they have on underneath those designer suits.
The common train of thought and logic would lead you to assume that these women are just as domineering in the bedroom behind closed doors. Generally speaking, this is actually the furthest thing from the truth. Every person out there is different with regards to their personality in life and what turns them on after hours, and there will be many variations and deviances from the norm. However, most of the fierce and passionate women in the workforce love nothing more than to come home and be completely subjugated and ravaged by a very strong and masculine man.
In all sexual relationships there must be a dominant and a submissive. Two dominants or two submissives can get together and have magnificent sexual experiences, but there will be a certain something lacking emotionally. Each one will feel less psychologically satisfied because they will not be able to express their dominant or submissive traits quite a comfortably as they should. Pop culture tends to assume that people who are submissive during sex are doing so because this is how they want to be perceived in life, they want to be dominated. Even old psychology books will back up this old principle. Fortunately, the psychology of arousal and the logic that lies behind fantasies and the roles we play during lovemaking has been virtually rewritten by Dr. Michael J. Bader, the leading psychoanalyst in this delicious area of expertise. To really sum up his new theories in a very rough manner, our sexual desires are almost the opposite of who we are in normal everyday life scenarios. His theories are applied to every sexual thought, idea and fantasy and not just dominant and subordinate behaviors. His new book made me quite hungry with dirty little thoughts.
A dominant women enjoys being submissive in bed because she is able to achieve stimulation. It is impossible to feel any kind of guilt, worry, or anxiety and become sexually aroused at the same time. Professional career women very often feel like they are too overbearing towards men, too controlling and too dominant. That causes a certain level of stress. This stress is completely alleviated by becoming the submissive during intercourse thereby allowing her to achieve stimulation. These and other new brilliant revelations have created a paradigm shift in the psychology of sex. And I think it is divine to have an in depth understanding of what makes the other person scream with hot blooded delight.
Of course, every individual will have a specific dirty little secret which turns them on and no two women are the same. This article applies to many strong business women, but not all. It becomes important to discuss what makes you turned on with your lover or find a reciprocal partner. But now many of you men know our dirty little secret. If you are the type of man who enjoys a dominant woman, the same logic applies to the quiet little librarian with the cat eyeglasses on. She just might be a dom-femme complete with a torture chamber in her home where she can break her male slaves. And don't forget ladies …… this same idea applies to men!
NOW....GOT IT???? | |
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Posted: 12/21/2007 6:26:28 PM | Well it looks like she accused me of being gay in german. Honestly? She has no answer to the question;" what have you learned?" Females like her, once they're done with their pathetic shaming tactics , which don't work on most adults , have got nothing..... more in their arsenal. All these thoughtful and worthwhile posts and she's learned nothing.
So listen up honey,Fvck you, you're a worthless piece of shit. You know it. I know it too.and so do a bunch of other people .
Yes Zain it's Hollywood. And all that description of yours outmind, those characteristics------ you see them in most guys. Open your eyes. | |
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Posted: 12/21/2007 7:59:56 PM |
Well it looks like she accused me of being gay in german. Honestly?
So now you are gay. But only in german? Hehehe. So become a lesbian. Better yet, bring the lesbian inside you out!!! | |
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Posted: 12/21/2007 8:11:52 PM | Ggirl101,
Whoever you are, we need to hook up!
It's the lifestyle we lead here in North America and all the hyper-feminist BS we hear about everyday that leads most men to act like little pussies! It appears that a lot of guys have taken this stuff to heart and its starting to show in their everyday lives! It's shameful! | |
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Posted: 12/21/2007 8:58:52 PM | You know what's so funny....
This thread is NOT about being a tough guy and treating women like shiite. It's funny how some men have become so defensive. I'm sure they are the guilty parties that I speak of in my original post.
This thread is about being AUTHENTIC. Be yourselves. If I have pushed your buttons one too many times, tell me. But, tell me in a respectable way. You don;t have to be nasty in a 'me Tarzan, you Jane' kind of way...just stand up for yourselves. I will always have more respect for someone who has respect for themselves rather than someone trying to kiss my azz, just so that he can keep the peace.
This goes for men and women...be real. Treat yourselves with respect and everyone will follow.
I think when you are truly an authentic person, you can only be with the same.
I was dating a great guy for the last 2 months, but he sacrificed his own true feelings just so that I would be happy. I couldn't take it anymore. THe 'yes dear' type responses drove me crazy, so I had to let him go.
I need a man. A real man. | |
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Posted: 12/21/2007 9:24:31 PM | Well it's a good thing you're here to teach us all... My, such wisdom from the mind of such a young person...
I think you judge a bit too much and put everyone in the same boat.
You've made it very clear you "need" something. That makes you needy. A real man will stay away form needy women.
But what strikes me as odd is how your choice of words seems to exude so much confidence in your ridiculous generalizations.
Maybe it's really just your specific dating pattern. Ever wonder why other women manage to find what you call a real man? Why can't you? What is it about these women that makes them succeed where you fail? Not every woman suffers from your "terrible and exasperating circumstances".
But I already know the answer: it's the repetitive pattern of failed relationships of POF practitioners. | |
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Posted: 12/21/2007 9:28:00 PM | "This goes for men and women...be real. Treat yourselves with respect and everyone will follow. I think when you are truly an authentic person, you can only be with the same."
"I need a man. A real man."
What we all need is to express ourselves in clarity of thought. What the OP describe above is not put into English as a "real man" but as a "man who is a real/authentic human and "respects" himself". Well, many men want a woman who is an authentic person and "respects" herself. Ie there is a need for men and women who are REAL humans. But it is a tad more complicated than that. Just a tad! | |
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Posted: 12/21/2007 10:19:51 PM |
I was dating a great guy for the last 2 months, but he sacrificed his own true feelings just so that I would be happy. I couldn't take it anymore. THe 'yes dear' type responses drove me crazy, so I had to let him go.
I need a man. A real man.
Ha.
I don't think you know what a real man is.
Good luck on your search. | |
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Posted: 12/21/2007 10:29:35 PM | Ggirl?
Hope she's not the one from the movie "My Ex-Super Girlfriend"!
This is a good one because bringing up both the issues of the Alpha male and feminism in the same thread allows the opportunity to expose the blatant hypocrisy of the latter!
Think about it- these old harpies have been going around for years carping about the evils of male dominance and social inequity. Yet even they want males who are high status and most have married upward- good example- Jane Fonda and Ted Turner. If gender and social equity were really important to feminists, then maybe Ms Fonda would have married a blue collar guy who makes less than $30,000 to help even out the income gap of American households. And then there's the phenomenon of Bill Clinton for whom quite a few feminists bent over backwards to defend as surely as many a girls I've known to appologise and make excuses for abusive deadbeat alcoholic husbands or boyfriends. Talk about the enabler!
And if that were not enough, there's this thing- almost a running joke about Al Gore. A couple years back one of the fems who was apparently backpedaling in the face of the revelation to the general populace that her ilk were also going for the Alpha male- she was going to give the former Vice Prez some coaching on how to become one. That's got to be a transformation that will be interesting to see.
Hipocrisy is so beautiful!
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Posted: 12/22/2007 2:21:51 AM | | You're not going to get shot down at all ! Whether it's a Merrill Lynch exec or any other guy, 'Thai or Indian?' is just food and colour of dress is just like blue or black ink, it really isn't important to us so long as the standards are high enough. | |
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Posted: 12/22/2007 2:48:35 AM | A couple of years ago I shared a house with a guy who in many ways at least behaved as if he was an alpha male. He was arrogant and completely indifferent, especially when it came to women. He wanted to be the centre of attention and be doing his own thing. 400 women in two years was the result.
However whenever he decided to become 'more involved' with a woman his behaviour towards them changed and instead of being just one of a hareem of princesses as part of his world, she became his queen. Needless to say, within a few weeks, her feelings of attraction for him would vanish and she would be gone.
Women do love the 'drama' of the bad boy and the emotional rollercoaster ride. They know it's a game they can't win and it makes it an irresistable challenge. A woman regularly tests a man to see if she can control him and take his power away. If she holds the power over his masculinity, she will lose any feelings of attraction and will leave and see him as spineless. The trouble is when guys fall in love, they give their power away and she will resent him forever for it.
The 'elusive real man' that all women ask for in their profiles is a balance of manly qualities without being the abusive jerk or the nice wussy boy but the best qualities of both. | |
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Posted: 12/22/2007 6:25:53 AM | What a silly question to ask. I would have to say, that being the "Alpha Male," as you referenced, will 95% of the time earn a man the title of being an ass. I would have to say that a majority of the men act this way due to the continual games that women tend to play. If a guy doesn't bend over backwards in an attempt to please the woman, or if he takes a stand on an issue, or attempts to assert himself, he's dubbed insensitive. Perhaps if women let a man be a man there would be more of the so called "Alpha Male" types around. If he is attentive, then he's seen as being a whimp or as you put it:
WHY?! .... Do men turn all 'girlie' when you start to date them? Perhaps if women were more decisive in what they were looking for in a guy, then gender roles would be more defined.
I once heard a comedian describe the act of understanding women: "Women, you just can't figure them out! Even when you do just about have them figured out, they go and change all the rules!"
Basically all in all the answer to your question can be quite simply sumed up as: If women would let a man be a man and act like a man, then they might be surprised to find themselves an "Alpha Male." | |
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Posted: 12/22/2007 7:29:11 AM | ~~ I'm in trouble now ~I logged in as dance card `on the forums ~ It said I was the author of the post ~ yet Sunny ~ "still " got the credit ~ I can no longer depend on the site's systems ~to get it right ~ sorry for the confusion to all ~ ~ I will reframe from ever posting on her computer ever again ~ damn it!
The post below is mine!~ not sunny's
Sunny is never short of words and I'm quit sure can speak for herself. `dar
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outofmind suggested refer to #18 a carbonrust post ~
it was a very informative post a "must read "for many guys
and the OP ~ I suppose, has had some disappointments in the area of mens behavior.
I've seen this behavior myself. ~ Men's behavior that make me want to throw up. Plain and simple pamdering to the "Queen of the Silver Dollar"
I checked her profile ~ here for the forums only ~ and though not familiar with this area of the world ~ I wonder if courtable, desirable women here might be in high demand. ~ Sometimes that the case in the outback, far from the fringes of metro-plex life styles. ~ In these ares ~ a cow get a lot of attention as well. It all a matter of balance of supply and demand ~ aka star would call it all about"balance."
While these areas are full of alfa males ~ to find one with all their teeth might be like a search for the Holy Grail. ~Competion for a mate is high ~ a # 4 can have her pick of the litter. A #3 gets all the left overs. ~ Carbonrust theory in in full swing.
I've had to do without women more times then I care to count in these areas ~ because I refuse to play the "on going" games. ` That's when the ladies of the evening are the most attractive ~ they know what "you" want and you know what "they" want. You leave them where you find them and go about your business with a big happy smile. A mutual transacted deal! We are even up!
And OP~ maybe you have pushed some buttons ~ i don't think you're a "ball buster" thats what we've always called them ~ a woman thats incapiable of being satified, ~ I think you've just experienced a bad day!
and cardonrust `~thanks for your insightful post ~ and the many others as well ~dar | |
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Posted: 12/22/2007 7:34:29 AM | Sunny you jumped in here - are we thinking the same again ... LOL
Dancecard - are you and Sunny together??? Was it you I met at a party with her in FW ?? - Is that how you accidently posted as her ? ... Guess what now my posts don't even carry over my pic since i updated it - this is weird...
I agree with the ^ gentleman above Sunny, and his comedian quote. However this can apply to men as well. Just when I think I have them figured out they go and change the rules as well. LOL.... I am decisive in what I'm looking for ...Intelligence, charisma, strength of character, a zest for life, inquisitiveness, independence, individuality, common sense, humour, tolerance and sexual chemistry. Someone who can think for themselves, who's not afraid to stand up and fight for what they believe in. Someone I can trust implicitly, who I can talk to about anything. Someone who understands me, who knows what I'm thinking almost as well as I do and who is considerate of my needs without pandering to my wants. Someone who can stand up to me and not let me get my own way all the time.
LOL... I suppose I should be thankful if I could find someone who will put up with me.
Does anyone get it ??? Relationships develop over-time and with that comes total understanding or lack of...
So funny that while reading this thread I discovered two of my "fav's" have written on here and I totally agree with both men. | |
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Posted: 12/22/2007 8:50:05 AM | I completely agree with Hellofagal.
I think there is much to be said of a man being selfless and respectful to our feelings. You are describing a gentleman, who most probably would like the same from you. Men who allow the softer side of them to be revealed are trusting you. Thats not to say they are spinless. A man in love will almost always show his softer side so we can relate. I appreciate a man who is sensitive to my thoughts, comfort and well being, I would try give him the same consideration. | |
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Posted: 12/22/2007 9:46:30 AM | Freebird22 wrote
Dancecard - are you and Sunny together??? Was it you I met at a party with her in FW ?? - Is that how you accidently posted as her ? .
ahhhhh, freebird....I woke up this mornin' and there on my desk was a note from my computer. It was a Dear Sunny note. The note said it was leavin' me for Dancecard. It seems it likes his finger action and squigglies (~) better, so it hoped I would forgive him and that I'd find happiness someday with a faithful 'puter to call my own, because I sleep too much on Saturday mornin', 
Guess I better find a girly man.....cuz I can't keep a manly one. Too many forums, too many logins, a girl has to stay on her "mental toes"...or flat on her back !
Gotta love the Dancecard...what a manly man he is ~ and yes he's in FRUBBLE !
I gotta teach that man how to log in right.
Did I evade your question good enough, Freebird?
I should be a politician !
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Posted: 12/22/2007 10:17:17 AM | oooops, I guess I'm the one in trouble now. I apologize akastar, really....I meant no harm...I was just answering Freebird and my attempt at humor failed miserably, I guess...... Why would I be jealous? Both Dancecard and I enjoy your insights and nothin' wrong with makin' friends. I don't need to tell you anything and I'm completely confounded that this upset you. Again, I apologize.
I wouldn't have posted at all, but I was just answerin' in good faith. Most opinions of Dancecard's I agree with, so no problemo if he posts under my name.
I just thought it was funny when he posts under my name is all, always do. It's okay.
Would it help if I disclosed to you......he's my brother ! ?
I didn't think I had any reason to email you directly so I didn't and I didn't know you were even on this thread. If I did, I wouldn't have thought a thing about it. | |
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