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Posted: 12/22/2007 10:32:36 AM | I note most women love a guy that treats them as a equal partner...when in love, helping with what they do, listens to them, makes them laugh.
I take charge as needed, guide as needed. But I include the woman. Women I know, like it when I take charge, because their men do not.
My women friends show their appreciation in many ways....hugs mostly, plus other physical treats.
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Posted: 12/22/2007 12:10:21 PM | | LOL....women revert to the game playing mode so often when you do. Like stomping their foot and not talking to you/showing you the door or the cry routine and any one of a number which is just too much anguish for a guy to deal with...I guess you should learn to be better losers/pick your fights when we do the alpah male routine it would go easier for all. lol | |
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Posted: 12/22/2007 2:02:59 PM | | Sounds like you made the right descision with that guy. NEXT !!!! is a great and refreshing policy to have! | |
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Posted: 12/22/2007 2:09:55 PM | | Though it's a lovely sentiment I can't think of a single time that revealing a softer side has ever been beneficial to a relationship with a woman. If fact, quite the opposite happens fairly rapidly !! lol. Which brings us back to the original post as this is often the first nail in the proverbial coffin. | |
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Posted: 12/22/2007 3:45:48 PM | I like human beings who are capable of being their own true selves - regardless of when or where they are. There is a time for strong and a time for soft - regardless of sex - male or female.
And this whining about the feminist movement .. geeez - Get Over It! Not ALL women burned their bras - hell some of us would love a man to take care of the bread winning and door opening, some are more independent - We are no more 'All' the same than men are!
"men" do Not get all girlie - SOME might!
Some women appreciate a man who has a soft side - some don't appreciate anything.
Human beings - we are ALL unique, individuals right down to our finger prints. Those who paint all men or all women with one brush simply show their narrowmindedness, and inability to take responsibility for the role they play in their own lives.
I hate generalizations. Those who claim to speak for All women - do Not speak for me!
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Posted: 12/23/2007 4:21:59 AM | Oh boy, this thread is getting better and better by the minute. Let's have a little REALITY CHECK. In WOLF country there is ALPHA male and in (spotted)HYENA country there is ALPHA female(matriarch).BOTH are pack leaders.The emphasis is on the LEADER part. The survival or demise of the pack largely depends on the leadership quality of the ALPHA. Like it or not ALPHAs must have leadership qualities, Macho men don't.
The 4 categories of ALPHAs
1,VISIONERIES
2,COMMANDERS
3,STATEGISTS
4,EXECUTORS
Bill Gates is an ALPHA, so is Bill Clinton, John Wayne was just macho.
I REALLY wish if people would be more vocal how they feel about ALPHAs in real life. They should wear buttons, sign on the lawn and sticker on the car.Such as ALPHAs, thanks, but no thanks. Just in case they would try to pull you out from a burning car, or house.
DON'T be a hypocrite, just say NO and wait for an OMEGA,in a mean time word such as crispy, fried, and toast will gain a new meaning for you. If you plan to go on some big adventure MAKE sure that there are NO ALPHAs close by, just in case things really go south. REAL ALPHAs must LEAD by example, which means there are instances when there is NO time to think or debate, ONLY act. For that reason sometimes they pay the ultimate price.
SO, WHO WANTS TO SIGN UP?The first born male child is usually an ALPHA, obviously volunteered, the minute he was born.Most business owners, fire fighters,martial artists, special forces, emergency responders. (Jack Bauer from 24)are most likely.....Yeah, anybody can do it, when most people scared to death of public speaking, and most adult women screaming and jumping on tables when they see a little cute mouse.Since some of genius NOT so brilliant minded people are confused, I tell you, the reason I use BOLD because it is easier to read. It has something to do with contrast since the background is grey NOT white.I guess common sense is not that common after all. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 4:23:36 AM | You didn't think your Excogitator would leave you all hangin' did you?
I see the thread has much advanced (while regressing) - I'll continue from where I left off.
But first, for the people still rambling on about "Alpha males" - or worse, flaunting that they are one (Scared perhaps that a touch of humility may lead the women here to believe that they're too "girlie" for them - A blow to the ego that duplicitous exemplars of said type clearly couldn't handle) (see what your complications have done to these men?  ), the OP explicitly renounced the notion regarding them (diverting it instead toward "authentic males" of the non-android persuasion) so if we could please stay focused on any of the many vagaries the rest of the subject offers, we may get to the bottom of this in approximately nine months, thereafter, the birth of our brainchild will enlighten the many flummoxed "girlie" nice not-nice guys out there getting the sour end of relationship deals because their potential girlfriends are daf--I mean dubious.
Wow excogitator! You didn't get me at ALL, did you? ...
I can't say I ever tire from expressions of astonishment most ladies throw my way upon first contact.
Oh I certainly "got you" - but suspect you didn't (get yourself), and called you out on it; saying someone is not nice, when they are, is as ludicrous as it is to state that "You cannot possibly be who you are if you don't know who you are". I'll get to the former in a minute (it IS at the core of this thread, and I'm rifely ecstatic to give it the attentive dissection it doesn't deserve), but to the latter, I rebut by indicating: Everyone IS who they are (warts, insecurities and all), it's axiomatic.
You do realize - you repudiate your entire argument, with this:
Any healthy relationship, be it romantic or otherwise, is based on give and take; love and RESPECT!
You know, you're quite the pleasant paradox for my mind.
And what on earth could lead you to believe that people, by being themselves, would lack compassion, kindness, etc.?
The same place on earth that lead you to believe that I believe that - use your obviously vivacious imagination. Or the same place perhaps that leads you to believe in your psychobabble pertaining to pretense.
You're still dancing around the most pertinent piece of the puzzle! Intention.
Just because a guy is accommodating, and more than to any other, toward a certain gal, does NOT mean he's selfish - that's absurd. And you can say all you want about this one, but you won't trap ME with any square circular logic. Have you ever thought, that he's being nice to you (which, sounds like quite the inconvenience by the way), because maybe he LIKES you? Don't stare a gift horse in the mouth (the breath is awful), and try taking it at face value (you'll have plenty of time to mistreat him into a desensitized a$$-shat through the course of your relationship - I mean, "fix" him). But to deny him for showing respect? :drink:
You never DID answer my valid questions I'll reiterate: "Instead of trying to figure out if there are any ulterior motives, why not simply appreciate the gesture (and save headaches all around)? If a guy is willing to be nice to you, why not accept it?
Look - I know you know what you think you know you're talking about, I know what it is you think you know you're talking about, and I even know that you think you really do know what you're talking about, but you're wrong, and you don't. 
I think it stems from girls' first boyfriends. Since people inevitably compare every single past relationship with a new one (I don't care what anybody says - we all do it), and since girls' brains process things faster in that area, they're already thinking: "Sh1t - he's being nice to me - it's exactly what my first boyfriend did to get with me - it means he's gonna use me and dump me - I better not give him the chance to - time to flip the b-switch on."
The OP is not talking about wanting a man to MASTER her, or a man who is disrespectful, or a man who is not kind, loving and sensitive. She is referring to men who LOSE themselves, so to speak; men who are not actually being themselves; men who are in fact putting on a performance but NOT for the woman's benefit; they are ever so "nice" and accommodating to gain an advantage for themselves - motivated by FEAR and not love! No, you're not talking about a man that masters, the OP on the other hand...
Did you ever stop and think that the men who are so nonchalant and glib about picking up women (surely from lots and lots and lots and lots of "practice"), are in fact the ones putting on a performance, or are most women so "bedazzled" and "inebriated" by their game, that they forget they're getting played? Oh that's right - those type of shows ARE for the woman's benefit *wink wink*  . There's nothing that says the nice guys can't be motivated by fear AND love - where do you get off?
It's not a question of procuring something FOR themselves (like it is for players, who only go about it under your radar), but I do think that the "pleasers" you're talking about may be a little lonely, a little needy, a little insecure (- you know, all the indications that he's human), except they're a lot unrefined on the ever-exponentially dynamic and perplexingly complex "rules of attraction" that women hide behind rather (which is really nothing more than a juvenile game of emotional tug of war) than give a decent guy a chance. Why do they hide? Because it's easy. Because maybe, in their mind, they're already "socially embarrassed" by them, and don't have the ovaries to tell them off. So who is it again that is insecure and doesn't speak their mind?
Take a look at this thread, where a guy gets sniped by his date all night, even after apologizing profusely, for "being himself" by letting his feelings out (which happened to be frustration at the time), and speaking his mind - the things some of you say you look for. Though I'm sure no one asked, the title is "Why am I still single, you ask? Good question!"
Whoa, that was a little harsh. Why can't men and women just treat each other as equals and be done with this kind of nit picking? Nobody's perfect, for crying out loud. If I see a man is acting all girlie around me, I'd start treating him like a man, and we'd both start having fun. See, a sensible answer. If a man starts acting "girlie", Pink would start treating him like a man. The men are already ahead of that - they want a lady, so they treat them nice, and with respect. Seems some women want to be treated poorly, solely so they can feel good about being a scolding slag.
Another angle: the nice guy has already TRIED the "be yourself" approach to much dismay, shot down perhaps time and again with "coming on too strong" (maybe for... speaking his mind? Sharing feelings?). Now, he shows courtesy and respect only to be met with "he's too nice, and doesn't speak his mind". If he only knew that women really want a guy who hides behind an amusing social mask, while making sure his intentions are unclear, by way of equivocacy. Which makes reality, that most women in fact REWARD performance (in essence, paving the way for players), then complain about being used. Rinse (or don't), repeat.
Too bad they couldn't discern confidence from defiance - got an a-hole again - shoulda went with the nice guy. Maybe next time? Nah, stick with the rulebook - at least you always get laid that way.
Why do some women keep doing this? Besides being players themselves, a need to supply stories for their girlfriend panty/pity-parties? Fear of losing their social edge/standing without new material?
So when does a guy go from afflictively pleasing to pleasingly appealing? When he hides his fear with presumptuous pompousness? When he's taken, of course. Jealousy can alter the belief system of most women...but then again, so can alcohol.
Then I trained them in how to train others and they resented the hell out of the fact that the guy they once thought of as wussboy had done something for them they couldn't do for themselves and I got them promoted to jobs higher than me. Just another story where assertion, confidence, and all the good things they ask for, make them bitter.
Beautiful powerful woman. She loved because I was stronger, wiser, and more experienced.
She said found me attractive because I was the only guy who would put her in her place. I was the only guy who she couldn't physically take down.
She resented me in the end, however, for being right most of the time. The situation for me was less than enjoyable. She resented him. For letting her know when she was wrong. Same thing happened to me. So why should we speak our minds for such recompense?
Random:
People, think about it like this -- you've heard all those horror stories of marriages breaking up after 20 years, and bf/gfs splitting after a few months or a year, right? What's the common refrain? "He/she's not the person I fell in love with." How did that happen? Someone decided to change instead of being true to themselves. This implies no one can change and stay true to this elusive "them self". People change either way.
Here's one of mine I pulled from another thread - holds weight here:
Personally, I accept who/what/how any of my partners are, within reasonable boundaries to how they treat ME, but sometimes, I wish some things about them would change (out of concern for their own well-being). Rather than TRY to change them however (who's had favorable results with THAT?), I keep showing them love, hoping that they'll one day see it, and change themselves. It's the most honest answer anyone will give you, and I'm sure many people, men and women, do the same. This is quite controversial, because now, all the feminist whiners might think this is weak on a man's part, or that they're girlie because they didn't make life easier for them (to dump you) by just TELLING THEM what you'd like to be different about them. The truth is, that I don't love them any less (I may worry about them more), but I'm actually letting them: live their own lives, figure it out for themselves, and make their own decisions, uninfluenced by what I want for them (that IS what people want isn't it?). But you tell them, and they take offense, throw a fit, tell you you're controlling, break up with you. Some people are simply unappeasable, and want it all.
In closing, there's clearly discrepancy on this "issue" - mainly, some women see men as changing, growing individuals that differ one to the next, and some women are simply pertinaciously caviling with deep, insecure commitment issues.
Funny how ridiculously this thread started - someone who can't stand men being happy, faulting guys for "losing" themselves in chivalry and courtship. Women aren't the only ones who get starry-eyed you know. You're punishing men for falling in love (with you) Ggirl - that's sick and sadistic. I wonder why I endeavor sometimes...
Oh and thank you Freude - no hard feelings - I thoroughly enjoy a rousing good lucubration as much as the next guy (I'm sure).
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Posted: 12/23/2007 1:02:15 PM |
Like it or not ALPHAs must have leadership qualities, Macho men don't.
Thank you for your response, for a while I was beginning to think that this place is nothing but Omegas, or at best Betas. Or whatever they are, ASHAMED, of taking command. However, some dictionary may describe an ALPHA as an overbearing person, thus the common voice here is that is something bad. But like you said, the modern ALPHA male is not about being macho man, it's about leadership, and a key element of leadership, even though mocked here, is the ability to work as a team. And they are not just make of one personality type but several as you indicated.
1,VISIONERIES
2,COMMANDERS
3,STATEGISTS
4,EXECUTORS
REAL ALPHAs must LEAD by example, which means there are instances when there is NO time to think or debate, ONLY act. For that reason sometimes they pay the ultimate price.
The key to this is that you thrive on the serendipitous volatility of the moment, it's pure joy, even after paying the price, even after having the crashes, the falls, the tumbles. I think Vince Lonbardi said something like this "greatness, is what you do after you've fallen down."
So let's not confuse bully behavior with Alpha behavior. In fact, bully behavior, the one that screams and tells people what to do, is very low in the leadership latter. People like that are not true ALPHAS. The true alphas, inspires.
The interesting thing is that yesterday morning I woke up and the day was nasty and cold. Two of my riding buddies had bailed out because it was so cold. But I went ahead and did my bike ride. It began to drizzle in he way out. So instead of 80 miles I decided to just do 50. Then it got really windy. So I get to midpoint and head back. Then this thin guy catches up to me and comment on how the wind was nasty. Since now we are riding together we up the tempo. Turns out this guy used to compete semi-pro and had a broken collar bone two years ago. Now bear with me, there's a point to this. It took him a year of just swimming and running to kind of get back, so he is so happy to be now on a bike. I told him how I had two nasty crashes last year. Also broke my collar bone and that one took longer to recuperate because now when I descended mountains I was compelled to use my brakes. I asked him what he did for living, and he told me he was the Coordinating Manager for a big trucking company. I told him what I did, which can sound rather abstract to some people so I explained that for instance. I had spend part of last week getting a motivational speaker for our national conference and we had hone it down to one person. Then I told him, that even though this day was so nasty, cold and windy, still it was just awesome, so alive. He pointed his finger and said. You should take all your managers here, THAT will build character. I then said, when I train with a couple of my guys, we go all out. One time it was raining, the road was full of muck from pine needles and crap, and we got hit by sporadic ice. And just when we thought we were frozen, one would scream, Hey, we could as well be suffering in Belgium. We both laughed.
So my point. Alphas are not sociopath that go around bulling people. They are people that do. They do when they have to, the do when they do not have to, they thrive on adversity. You want to know who the Alphas are? Just say, It can't be done. The guy who says, Bu!!sh!t, I'll prove you wrong. That's the Alpha. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 1:19:56 PM | | I think blue eyes and I understand what you are trying to say, and I think alot of that may be younger guys who haven't learned that it isn't necessary. People do often try to hard...I've watched my male buds go "gaga" over some chick to the point that they didn't act like themself anymore, and the girl in question sometimes was proud of accomplishing that (ego booster I guess) and others (like you) were so turned off they broke up with the poor fellas. Can't say it's ever happened to me, but when some guys fall for a gal and are so starry eyed that all they can do is say, "yes dear" when otherwise what they are agreeing to would be completely out of character for them, it can be an ice bath as far as interest goes. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 2:16:33 PM | It's a contagion . . caught by watching too many Girly Games . .
Like Basketball . . !!
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Posted: 12/23/2007 4:08:13 PM |
But first, for the people still rambling on about "Alpha males" - or worse, flaunting that they are one (Scared perhaps that a touch of humility may lead the women here to believe that they're too "girlie" for them - A blow to the ego that duplicitous exemplars of said type clearly couldn't handle)
My so called "rambling" is due to people like you, saying stupid, dumb AND unsubstantiated things. First you said Alpha males are a myth, then you are implying that they are limited in their choices, which is absurd. So, as far as that goes, your credibility in this matter is pretty well shut to hell. Here is the BAD news and the REALLY bad news. Let me help you out from your delusions. Before you are making assumptions, maybe it would be wise to check your facts, BEFORE you look like a complete idiot. Why don't you go and visit my city's party threads and see what women say about this particular "WANNABE" (DEZ)You can either quote them or SFU.
Many so called Alpha Males are no different from the wussies in that most often neither type are authentic human beings!(There is NO so called Alpha Male.He is or HE isn't. This is not abstract or mysterious. It is factual.)
Freude’s Personal Dictionary:
Alpha Male = Wannabe ( then your choice is clear BETA or OMEGA)
And all the 'ALPHA MALES' that claim to be alpha males, you're not. You're just wannabe's that use your insecurities to cover up your lack of masculinity. Intelligent women see right thru your type and wouldn't touch you with a ten foot pole! (Intelligent women would do their home work, so I guess you are just a dummKopf or seizeklug, pick one.)
So the spineless are the regular-text-using-a$$holes and the Alpha Males are the bold-text using a$$holes?( NO, the one who using bold text is the one with the common sense, and you are obviously lacking it.)
This Alpha male stuff is bunch of bullshit.
The whole "alpha male" thing is just stupid someone who takes charge someone who is a leader someone who has an answer for everything, someone who's this, someone who's that, blah blah blah ladies such a man only exsists in hollywood movies
Just in case any of the bright ones above, end up in the ER hemorrhaging, they should insist to be treated by an OMEGA, since most ER doctors are ALPHA's. Maybe they will understand the difference, as they slowly bleed out.
Since one of the brilliant one brought up Hollywood... everybody seen mob movies...The boss is the ALPHA, the soldiers are BETAs and the people they beat up are OMEGAs. Just in case people still confused about the ALPHAs existence. The point here is the leadership quality, NOT the criminal activity. The BETAs who are actually doing the dirty work.They could be considered Macho.
Everybody knows about the story of ROMEO and JULIET. According to the OP, ROMEO would be a real GIRLIE man because he was in love. The OP is right about one thing, people are not themselves when they are in love.There is a bio-chemical change occurs in the brain as a result of being in love. But the OP rather watch soaps then PBS.
Believe it or not, people don't actually have control over those changes. Interestingly enough JULIET never said, ROMEO you are such a GIRLIE MAN I have to leave you.Why? Because she was in love as well. They actually died for each other. The whole concept is rather foreign to the OP and a few others who are incapable to grasp What being in love means. It has nothing to do with being emotionally detached, void of deep emotions, fear of REAL intimacy, just a few things that comes to mind. Apparently that is what being AUTHENTIC is all about. I THINK NOT.
Let's talk about what happens when a WOMAN is in love. She is willing to stand by the worst scam, give up her family, friends. She is deaf AND blind to the reality. She listens to NO one. There is NO logic or rational in her behavior. Pretty safe to say THERE IS NOBODY HOME. We are talking about being in love SPECIFICALLY and being in a relationship. So the whole “GIRLIE MAN” idea only comes up when the love is one sided.
Why don't you test that theory, by breaking one of the Cardinal rule of WHAT never to do or say to a man, any man. How fast a man will fall out of love, will make your head spin, and YOU will find your A-ss kicked to the curb. IF you believe that being manipulative is SMART, just wait until a real Charmer play you like a fiddle. You might get to your senses. EVENTUALLY. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 4:19:50 PM |
Let's talk about what happens when a WOMAN is in love. She is willing to stand by the worst scam, give up her family, friends. She is deaf AND blind to the reality. She listens to NO one. There is NO logic or rational in her behavior. Pretty safe to say THERE IS NOBODY HOME. We are talking about being in love SPECIFICALLY and being in a relationship. So the whole “GIRLIE MAN” idea only comes up when the love is one sided.
Sorry.. but not true for all women.
I personally make it a point to love with my head AND heart. I can't stand by someone doing wrong JUST because I love them. If they admit their errors and work to correct them.. maybe I could. It's definitely not easy.. being in love and all.. but I can't sit idly by either.
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Posted: 12/23/2007 4:35:11 PM | | What you seem to desire OP is some type of turmoil. Most men AND women for that matter don't really want to go through all that drama all the time and will give in and be a "yes" man OR a "yes" woman just to have things go smoothly without the drama. We might enjoy watching a drama on TV but most of us are too busy and too mature to enjoy living it. I don't see anything wrong with being pleasent and polite to the man in my life and having him be pleasent and polite back to me. I enjoy some degree of peace in my domestic life and I don't believe a man is being weak if he gives in on points that he finds unimportant any more than I consider myself weak for giving in on points that I find insignificant. That's called Compromise! If a man were willing to give up his integrity just to please me then that would be going too far. I certainly would not do this for him and I wouldn't respect any person who would give up their integrity for another persons pleasure. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 4:46:59 PM | This thread has become far too confusing for me - looks like no matter what "level" male you are, someone inevitably thinks you're unlikeable, lying or wrong.
I'm going to pick another Greek letter - can I be a Pi Male? I like Pi.
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Posted: 12/23/2007 5:07:12 PM | Wanna know why men get all girlie? Here's why: You women can't make-up your minds as to what you want! You take a man -who is a real man- & you complain that he isn't sensitive enough: i.e. doesn't cry, isn't romantic enough, doesn't say, "I love you" every five-damn-minutes, is a slob, can't read your-damn-mind, isn't "connected" to you, etc...
Then, y'all bug the shit out of him until he does change, & then you say he's "girlie" when he does change! Is it any wonder why men are screwed up?! | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 6:15:24 PM | | OP, you say all this shit now but are you the type to say this shit, then when a man proves he has a back bone you go crying to your friends about how insensitive he is to your needs? | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 7:28:04 PM |
OP, you say all this shit now but are you the type to say this shit, then when a man proves he has a back bone you go crying to your friends about how insensitive he is to your needs?
HELLO???????
I am NOT saying that a man needs to treat a woman like shit in order to classify him as having a backbone. I am NOT saying a man has to tell me to 'go get him a beer' in order to classify him as someone with a spine. I am NOT saying a man cannot show me his soft side in order for me to say he is 'girlie'!!!!!
It's about a man that will respect himself enough to not lose who he is as a man!
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Posted: 12/23/2007 10:29:48 PM | If she can step on some guy ,then he is a wussboy? Psychologically normal feminine women aren't interested in stepping on people. Their basic nature as feminine beings is to be supporters and nurtures--that is the essence of femininity. You don't have to fight normal healthy feminine women for control or for power, because she is not looking to dominate, she is looking to "give and recieve love."
The creature we have here is a "bully with a ****"--hence the fight to take away the guys power, hence her unwillingness to resolve and discuss minor relationship dissatisfactions-- like "yes dearing" too much, or being "too pleasing" for a week or two, or few situations of in-authentic conversations. What we have here is someone who is screwed up--spiritually and at the core of her--that is in her femininity. Look at the classic bullying behavior: she steps on someone then denigrates and devalues them --with terms like Wuss-boy, a doormat, spineless.Through that devaluation she is justified in extreme cruelty and lack of compassionate, and justified in total lack of respect towards someone who is "nice to her." She is sick.
A normal healthy feminine women would not have problems with some guy who is scarred of losing her. A normal feminine women would be emotionally supportive of that guy and work to resolve those issue thorugh word and behavior. Look at Saving grace45, look at what she writes:
"I think there is much to be said of a man being selfless and respectful to our feelings. You are describing a gentleman, who most probably would like the same from you. Men who allow the softer side of them to be revealed are trusting you. Thats not to say they are spineless. A man in love will almost always show his softer side so we can relate. I appreciate a man who is sensitive to my thoughts, comfort and well being, I would try give him the same consideration."
Like one poster pointed out, she needs to be more feminine. I think it's feminists propaganda which have created these creatures.It's not that the guys aren't masculine enough. femininst propaganda hasn't effected guys; it has effected women. They aren't very feminine anymore! Psychotherapy is not going to help because the problem is not routed in her family of origin; her problem is in her present day fvcked up thinking and decisions and the fundamental screwed up spirituality in regards to her femininity--screwed up by way of relentless propaganda.
She's probably had a long series of emotionally/physically abusive realtionships. That's because she is psychologically unfit for healthy male/female realtionships dynamics. We can take full advantage of that, but only as players. | |
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Posted: 12/24/2007 12:11:45 AM | | OP: All I can really say on this topic is that love makes fools of even the best and brightest. But hey, now that the shoe is on the other foot, maybe now you'll be a little more sympathetic towards men, though I doubt it. Men have had to put up with "doormat", to use your term, woman since practically the dawn of time, or at least the dawn of human history. Women have almost always filled the role of the "Yes Women", submissively subjecting themselves to the wills of men. Maybe it's about time that women started acting like the strong women we all know they are. Maybe it's about time that women started earning being equals. And maybe, just maybe, these "doormat" men are on some sub-conscience level just giving you a taste of "your" own medicine, and oh what a bitter medicine it is. | |
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Posted: 12/24/2007 8:03:22 AM |
She's probably had a long series of emotionally/physically abusive realtionships. That's because she is psychologically unfit for healthy male/female realtionships dynamics. We can take full advantage of that, but only as players.
Very well said. What I've noticed is that women that were abused, they either become abusers themselves, or find another abuser. How does that happen? She goes and finds a nice guy, everything is going well and she test him with some little temper tantrum like the OP does. He responds by doing what she said. She devalues him, is bored moves to the next guy. She does that to several guys, until she find one that tells her to shut up and take her head out of her a$s. She gets mad at first, but realizes that this guy is not going to put up with her crap and she actually apologizes, but she will continue to taunt him, until he either gets rid of her, or he concedes to one of her demands. The sad part is that she will continue to go through guys because while most guys will not put up with this behavior and leave it at that, some, the one she is looking for, the abuser, when they find each other, they stick. Thus the pathology of this behavior starts all over again. | |
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