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I need hugs, ideally a daily dose of at least four.
Four hugs a day, that's the minimum not the maximum.......I love that children's song by Charlottle Diamond!
I need to feel loved! It's a very human need.......remember the studies that were done years ago on children in orphanages, the ones who thrived were the ones who received touch, in addition to having their basic needs fulfilled. | |
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Posted: 12/16/2007 11:34:29 AM | xavery
No, I think the OP is right. We all have needs. ....
1) What are your deepest needs ( beside food and shelter)?
2) Where is meaning to be found, according to your own personal philosophy?
These two questions could or could not be related, depending on your point of view.
need more coffee lol...*slurp* anyway, in short
our personal needs are defined by our individual life styles and experiences, leaving all other things required to sustain life and procreation out we can really say there are no other needs in absolute terms. What we think of a need is really more of a habitual matter, one which we really do not have to have. Essentially a choice of wants we decide and elect to becoming a need, meaning we make this a priority of our desires or maybe a goal of/for achievement. Certainly defined as such these needs when fulfilled become a stabilizing force in our life and aid our survival or in case of addictions may be to the detriment. That would be my "own personal philosophy" and "judgment" on the topic as per the OP's question. Sure I do have a great many needs like every one else, possibly way more than I should, see previous post   | |
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Posted: 12/16/2007 12:02:40 PM | Needs: I need input, solitude, company, sustenance, love, food, wine, and most of all
LAUGHTER.....
I find meaning in nature. It is the one thing that can fascinate/humble/awe me.
Oh and I need to masturbate.... Be right back | |
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Posted: 12/16/2007 12:16:34 PM | | My biggest needs are health and sanity, and providing for my dependents. I find meaning in personal growth, integrity, and loving kindness. | |
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Posted: 12/16/2007 12:26:06 PM | Mountain Lion - I more or less agree with your last post. I didn't even tackle the second part of the question, which I am not sure is related to the first part. I would have to really think deeply about the relationship between needs and finding meaning in life. However, I believe that we all hope that there is some meaning to life and are constantly striving to find it. I think we have a need to find meaning to life and to discover our existence is purposeful.
Mountian Lion - When you talk about needs at the beginning of your post, you speak of our needs as a species - procreation and survival, but I think we may have evolved beyond this. I hope so.
I need a shot of caffiene now, too. | |
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Posted: 12/16/2007 1:22:56 PM |
leaving all other things required to sustain life and procreation out we can really say there are no other needs in absolute terms.
hope you had your coffee fix now
all boils down to how we each define a NEED
Yes, we have evolved. I don't think that it is essential to our lives to " find meaning to life and to discover our existence is purposeful" ; some do, many don't.
Perhaps we all need some "crutches" to get through events of living, but do we really? Look at the followers of Buddhism, yoga etc. (a crutch) teaching the simplistic living. While the meditation here is just an acquired tool to aid in directing the focus of the brain, the same result can be applied using different disciplines... we can go on forever and will find that none is an actual need, but we can decide that it is; all a matter of choice.
I think the OP was looking for answers of what we chose or have become accustomed to be or have as a NEED. | |
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Posted: 12/16/2007 3:38:21 PM | yes, I am interested in what one chooses and why.
I still have to read an answer that directly and clearly relates "need" to "meaning".
The need has no meaning.........or has it really?
I was really looking forward to hearing......."I need to.........." in order to......."
But that is one's choice, of course! | |
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Posted: 12/16/2007 4:09:57 PM | I think misunderstood the OP.
I need to sleep in order to do my work properly. I need to job well in order to feel good about myself. I need to feel good about myself in order to live with myself. I need to live with myself in order to exist. I need to exist in order to be. I need to be in order in to find meaning.
Okay --- I get it. | |
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Posted: 12/16/2007 7:40:49 PM | In the developing world people tend to suffer because of unmet needs for water, food, clothing, shelter.
In the developed world people tend to suffer because of unfulfilled purpose.
I need a purpose in order to live without suffering ( this would be my pick).........i find that purpose in artistic pursuits the heal the heart and in intellectual/religious pursuits that heal the mind.
But certainly one could argue that in our world there are unsatisfied wants rather than unmet needs....it is just a matter of perspective. Some die for lack of food, some for lack of love, some for lack of purpose.
Which need keeps you alive? ( short version of the bigger version) = which need gives you meaning? | |
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Posted: 12/16/2007 8:23:40 PM | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
...One of the deepest needs of the human heart is the need to be appreciated. Every human being wants to be valued. This is not to say that everybody wants to be told by others how wonderful he is. No doubt there is that desire, too, but that is not fundamental. We could say that every human being wants to be loved. But even this admits of ambiguity. There are as many varieties of love as there are species of flowers. For some people, love is something passionate; for others, it is something romantic; for others, love is something merely sexual. There is, however, a deeper love, a LOVE OF ACCEPTANCE. Every human being craves to be accepted, accepted for what he is. Nothing in human life has such a lasting and fatal effect as the experience of not being completely accepted. When I am not accepted, then something in me is broken. A baby who is not welcome is ruined at the roots of his existence. A student who does not feel accepted by his teacher will not learn. A man who does not feel accepted by his colleagues on the job will suffer from ulcers, and be a nuisance at home.
Many of the life histories of prisoners reveal that somewhere along the way they went astray because there was no one who really accepted them.
A life without acceptance is a life in which a most basic human need goes unfulfilled... | |
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Posted: 12/16/2007 9:36:05 PM |
...One of the deepest needs of the human heart is the need to be appreciated. Every human being wants to be valued.....When I am not accepted, then something in me is broken
Very profound words indeed, Simona.
To find acceptance of others perhaps one needs to accept ones very own self first and that not at some arrogant overstatement of ambitions of what others may expect, but rather at the very bottom level of ones own existence. That may be found in the recognition that we are alive and initially without purpose other than the continuation of an evolutionary development. However, evolution of a species either progresses or regresses. Each individual of a species is part taking and contributing with the endless spectrum of possibilities given by the genetic codes we have. These codes do allow for information to be stored and passed on. Individually we may not notice progress in the spectrum of time and life and that there is a direction.
As an individual we must within our means define and find a meaningful goal of contribution (subconsciously or consciously) and pursue that goal. I may be fixed or changed over our life time, but it will become an integral part of our purpose, whether we define it ( or know it) or not. That goal orientation becomes ones purpose and will lead to self acceptance as well as acceptance of others. As such it will be reciprocal, hence we achieve appreciation of others and within that some greater form of fulfillment.
I think the OP has lost one such acceptance and is searching, looking outward rather than within. | |
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Posted: 12/17/2007 12:27:45 AM | I am looking inward and outward. If you had a paradoxical nature and were born an artist, it's likely that you would find it difficult to accept too. TA TA ! Like being an outsider was easy  :rolleyes. If I ( my consciousness) was outside of my body, I would enjoy total freedom, unfortunaly I am still here on hearth and in this body: so I must relate to it and to what and who surrounds me. Are you dreaming or did you take too much caffeine, Mountain Lion?
SIMONA: I concur. | |
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Posted: 12/17/2007 1:10:02 AM | Thank you^^^ two of you!- Now I am in a DREAMLAND... its sooooo beautiful
(and the future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams)
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Posted: 12/17/2007 3:10:38 AM | Simona
One of the deepest needs of the human heart is the need to be appreciated
I was thinking along these very lines earlier today (okay its after midnight so yesterday) and was going post that if.
As I go through life I try to be helpful, whether helping a total stranger load their groceries in their car, the odd handy-man repairs I might find with my range of skills, holding the door for someone, etc.
The other day I went to Safeway, picked up a basket in the outer entrance and entered the store. I see a woman with several items under her arms, and about to drop the load when I offered her the empty basket saying "Looks like you need this more than I do." She accepted, had a good laugh and the smile of appreciation made it well worth me going back for another basket.
PS I saw her again a while later, the basket about to overflow and she is still shopping. I kid her with "Looks like you needed a cart, not a basket."
Tyeee | |
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Posted: 12/17/2007 2:09:45 PM | ok ok, in the spirit of the thread i'll try to keep this more "personalized" (though I do have some more generalized opinions on the question itself) and geared to what I feel is need for emotional health and day to day fulfillment.
Being one of those "over thinking" people, I need "escape". An opportunity to just focus in on one thing without active thought; artistic, athletic, music, cretive outlet,prayer (use the term loosely) Gotta get those Alpha and Theta waves exercised y'know. Without it I generally function poorly in all facets of my life; work habits, family responsibility, general grumpiness lol
As for the meaning of life, well, I have to generalize a little. Many people have looked at "malthus' hierarchy of needs" as a finished product when he actually expanded on it later in life. He then placed interdependent actualization at the pinnacle. (paraphrase)
Once the basic necessities of life are met (and a little more for fun), there is is very little gained (happiness) wise by further material goods. (This coming from a guy in finance lol) It's those meaningfull relationships that come to the fore.
So...for me, a need, want, that permits me to feel fulfilled is a sense of accomplishment but more than that...a sense of stewardship and engagement in those around us. That I'm leaving a positive footprint on the lives I come across. Not just cuz I feel altruistic, because I feel "they" are me. Show grace, receive grace. Call it the Christian "body of Christ" or call it Jung's stance on "Collective Unconscious" . It doesn't matter which faith. (imho) I feel you have to have some form of spiritual existence and a true tie to those around you that get beyond me vs the world.
So umm, escape and engagement I guess that's my answer lol | |
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Posted: 12/17/2007 4:09:28 PM | | oops...Maslow, not Malthus | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 9:29:52 PM | I know my two greatest needs contradict each other. I need to belong. I need solitude.
Meaning is whereever harmony can be found. | |
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Posted: 12/19/2007 5:43:01 PM |
1) What are your deepest needs ( beside food and shelter)?
2) Where is meaning to be found, according to your own personal philosophy?
NEEDS: (the obvious) water, food, sleep, shelter, clothing, and let's not forget....MONEY.
WANTS: to belong, to be loved, to be treated as an equal, to be treated with respect, to feel important, to be heard, to be understood, to feel safe.
DESIRES: companionship, love, affection, intimacy, health, humor, entertainment, time, knowledge, success (however defined)
BONUSES: car, beer, chocolate, a sunny day....
I want it all lol | |
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Posted: 4/22/2009 7:34:13 PM | Some people appear have a very strong need to be liked.
Perhaps it is that need that pushes them so far as to forum post both pro and con to many discussions here, though I wonder how successful that strategy is. | |
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Fa que
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Posted: 4/22/2009 9:01:43 PM | | I need an enema after all the shit I have been reading | |
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Posted: 4/22/2009 9:58:41 PM | I need to know what the heck happened to whitetigeress, I miss reading her.  | |
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