| The Spiritual significance of Romance
Posted: 12/18/2007 8:55:35 AM | This is my example. What I have noticed is direct Eye contact during the Romance and the art of love making seems to be creating a Spiritual loopback of energy between two people that have positive energy within them.
I have only found this connection in my studies just one time and something happened that caused it to fade away. I am not sure if anyone else has experienced this type of connection thus why I am posting this to see if it was simply an issolated experience or if there is hope to find it again in the future.
Example...
> = the energy felt and the direction it seemed to flow in
Person A---------------------->>>>----------------------------------------------------------------
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CONNECTION POINT--------------------------- <<<---EYES--------
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Person B----------------------->>>>----------------------------------------------------
I am not sure if when posted it will alter the display of this example so just in case it does.....
It is attempting to show 2 people connected together in the midst of romance. Starting from the point of eye contact up to and continuing in the action of welll.... you get the idea.
The arrows represent the energy contained in each person flowing through them from their core up to the eyes. As the two lock together both releasing that energy in the direction of the other it is like that energy colides together in between them flowing down in the direction of each others core. Each time it re-enters each others core it increases in intensity like a power loop that multiplies each time it cycles through.
There then comes a point that niether of them can contain or repress that energy between them that causes your very core to create a chemical reaction within sending waves of intoxicating chemicals all over your body and to your brain as well. When this wave of chemical reactions reaches your Brain it causes the brain to also trigger chemical reactions that realease endorphines and other electrical impulses to surge through the entire body.
As a side effect these reactions and electrical surges that bombard the human sensations have the ability to cause your emotions to go haywire. If the emotions are enabled they too release energy and cause chemical reactions to occur in the brain that when combined with all the rest of the reactions happening cause dorment parts of the brain and body to recieve the needed power to activate flooding forth even more energy.
So if opinions are what people are looking for....
Then my opinion is Romance is essential for anything spiritual to manifest. One person alone can not contain enough power to unlock the dorment sections. Two people with the wrong spiritual polarity also can not unlock them since they simply can not generate enough power between them.
I keep seeing people saying that a relationship is not about finding a soul mate or match but that it is what you build together over the years..... My resonce would be....
I think IMO you are wrong. If the spark is not there from the start because your spirit is the wrong type for the one your sharing life with. It does not matter how many years you are together. You will fail and be miserable during your journey always wanting something to change in the person you are with. It is not the fact that person needs to change. It is your gut telling you that you selected the WRONG spiritual polarity in your partner choice.
These are of course my opinions and my life long search to obtain once again that which I once had and lost. | |
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| The Spiritual significance of Romance
Posted: 12/18/2007 10:30:00 AM | Dreams
you lost me man... you lost me... but the last line got me. It feels like you're trying to explain something that defies explanation. A romantic polarity test. Take if from me... the book may sell out but the divorce rate will still be rising. | |
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| The Spiritual significance of Romance
Posted: 12/18/2007 10:42:58 AM | the divorce rate will still be rising
Yes It is sad that is why I was attempting to explain hoping that it may prevent someone that did choose to read it from marrying the wrong person.
You can not get much worse of a divorce rate than is currently (well yes you can but...)
I am different than others when thinking of fixes. My thoughts are not so much in helping those already together debating divorce. but more to help someone possibly not make the mistake in a future choice by attempting to explain why it might fail.
I say let Dr. Phil fix those couples that currently are in trouble. I choose to instead attempt to prevent that number from increasing later down the road. Not a quik fix but more preventative measures that in the long run may make a difference.
Hit the root first to prevent further trouble. Then once that is stabalized work on those that may have already made the mistakes.
Just my opinions. I am sorry I do not always manage to word things the best ways. My reasoning behind them is to attempt the most impact with the least amount of words.
Like the one I was talking about here. Everything was fine right up to the point she allowed someone else to tell her what was right and what was wrong and that resulted in her wanting to change ME to conform to what others decided I should be like.
That is when I lost it and no matter what I did it was gone thus requiring me to end the relationship just before we were to be married. I couldn't spend the rest of my life without it. So rather than marrying anyways hoping for it to return only to be disapointed later if it didn't i just chose to go on my own path and find it again. | |
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| The Spiritual significance of Romance
Posted: 12/18/2007 2:20:35 PM | I struggled with this question. because being with my special someone I've noticed some interesting side effects of our relating. However I don't believe in a soul, or a mind beyond my brain. I think the brain is capable of producing all the aspects of spiritual phenomenon that people attribute to spirituality. I believe it is also capable of creating the seperation that many think is their higher self as well. However full integration of self does not see any seperation nor does it need anything outside of itself to explain its self.
That being said i also believe there is a fabric that connects us all and our energy blends with others through this fabric. I use fabric because i have no better way of describing it. I don't think it is intelligent nor do i think we can control it only be a part of it or recognize our connectedness with it and thus everything.
When we meet someone who we resonate with i think something is ignited within us. A part of us that has been dormant, our true expression. The feelings that are produced by this simultaneous expression can be intense and create the space for the closest bond that we can have as humans. I don't think spiritual even begins to describe how deep it can go. I've seen spiritual references of twin flames that describe the bond but don't like the limited interpretation of such a connection.
Ideas like these can cause much heart ache and expectations for our partners and i've seen so many people suffer because they wish so much for these so called spiritual connections. To be human to me means that we are human, not spiritual beings on a human experience. We will have plenty of time in eternity if such a thing exists to be spiritual beings, and if it was so important to become human we should concentrate on just that in its fullest expression don't you think?
Love is Our greatest and most meaningful expression, and romantic Love is the deepest in my opinion. Greater then that of Love for a child. For it uses every Loving expression we are able to express.
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| The Spiritual significance of Romance
Posted: 12/18/2007 3:12:02 PM | from the op:
" if you are not prone to romantic desires of intimacy is it possible that you won’t achieve a level of spiritual understanding? Is it possible that as humans a certain level of sanity is lost to us who have no romantic connections?"
Actually, it seems that those who seek true connection with spirit avoid earthly romance as it is considered a distraction from their quest of enlightenment. Buddhist monks, Christian monks, Christian nuns, those who pursue the priesthood in the Catholic faith; ideally all of these are aided by the Spirit world to lead lives of celibacy if they so choose.
Matthew 19:12 "For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from [their] mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive [it], let him receive [it]."
Regarding retaining sanity; I'd say this is much easier for those who remain unattached, but this is merely my humble opinion based on my experience.
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| The Spiritual significance of Romance
Posted: 12/19/2007 6:08:01 AM | Well thank you wendersum!
That's good to know because when I looked back at those posts after nobody said anything I tried to figure out if I had said something that might have been entirely in-appropriate... which wouldn't be the first time...
crazylilting
When we meet someone who we resonate with i think something is ignited within us. A part of us that has been dormant, our true expression. The feelings that are produced by this simultaneous expression can be intense and create the space for the closest bond that we can have as humans. I don't think spiritual even begins to describe how deep it can go.
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To be human to me means that we are human, not spiritual beings on a human experience. We will have plenty of time in eternity if such a thing exists to be spiritual beings, and if it was so important to become human we should concentrate on just that in its fullest expression don't you think?
Wow... yeah crazylilting I guess I do (think we should concentrate on the fullest expression of being human) now after reading your post a second time. Great post...
garry1949
Actually, it seems that those who seek true connection with spirit avoid earthly romance as it is considered a distraction from their quest of enlightenment. Buddhist monks, Christian monks, Christian nuns, those who pursue the priesthood in the Catholic faith; ideally all of these are aided by the Spirit world to lead lives of celibacy if they so choose.
Matthew 19:12 "For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from [their] mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive [it], let him receive [it]."
Regarding retaining sanity; I'd say this is much easier for those who remain unattached, but this is merely my humble opinion based on my experience.
And we were having so much fun... I 'm completely aware of that what my master said but the key is at the end of the statement
He that is able to receive [it], let him receive [it]. and I'll say this till I'm blue in the face around here... I am not a catholic and do not believe that catholocism accurately reflects the teachings of Yeshua. I do not however think that a catholic is not a christian... that depends on the individual no matter what signs over the door they walk through on the sabbath.
Anywho...
garry...
can you say "buzz kill"? | |
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| The Spiritual significance of Romance
Posted: 12/20/2007 6:40:53 AM |
from the op:
" if you are not prone to romantic desires of intimacy is it possible that you won’t achieve a level of spiritual understanding? Is it possible that as humans a certain level of sanity is lost to us who have no romantic connections?"
Actually, it seems that those who seek true connection with spirit avoid earthly romance as it is considered a distraction from their quest of enlightenment. Buddhist monks, Christian monks, Christian nuns, those who pursue the priesthood in the Catholic faith; ideally all of these are aided by the Spirit world to lead lives of celibacy if they so choose.
Matthew 19:12 "For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from [their] mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive [it], let him receive [it]."
Regarding retaining sanity; I'd say this is much easier for those who remain unattached, but this is merely my humble opinion based on my experience.
As ussual, Gary is right in my opinion and has the best words to decribe the matter in a factual way that is clear and true.
ANYONE can reach Spiritual enlightenment, so whether you have romance or not means nothing of whether you will achieve enlightenment.
I really think that Gary got it right on the ace is the place. I totally agree and again his posts are always true and sincere and they are worthy of taking note and consideration. | |
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Posted: 12/20/2007 6:46:59 AM | I agree...to an extent
While there is an addiction for romantic attachment (a need) the p'raps enlightenment cannot be attained? But once it has been attained...is there not room for romantic involvement of a different kind?
To put it in another way. When a person is not whole, is looking for fulfillment outside of themself in some way...they are open to addiction of many kinds. Once a person becomes whole however, they are able to share without the neediness. And in that are some wonderful aspects of 'romantic love'. :) | |
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Posted: 12/20/2007 1:54:26 PM | Being a Eunich is something far and beyond something I'd be able to do.
But the one Christian Eunich I met sure had a way about him. Let's just say that I gave my spot up in the hundren and fourty four thousand years ago and that since we just happen to be on a
singles sight
I don't see where a life long dedication to celibacy and devotion to God in that way by choice factors in.
Point blank for me to make myself a eunich for the sake of service to God then I'm going to have cut something off and after that get a labotomy.
Now you all know I'm the king of absurdities in this forum but where does the "have your pet spaded or neutered" fit into a conversation about the connection between romance and spirituality. Hell... even the athiest are finding a touch of God with this one! If you ask me and you did since you're still reading then
ORGASMS AND LOUD UNIHIBITED SHOUTS
show us that yes indeedy there is a God. The marriage bed would be the best place for it but our common creator is more than familiar with our strengths and weaknesses. However I tend to think that we have over defined sexual immorality to the point of making the taboo's that give us so many hang ups in our society.
Our focus here is does human to human intimacy give us a sense of spirituality and I say the answer is a resounding yes. Though actually the OP of this thread is about as fluid as urban warfare. So with that I shut up cause non of the above makes any sense but let's face it... you read it. | |
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| The Spiritual significance of Romance
Posted: 12/20/2007 2:06:01 PM |
While there is an addiction for romantic attachment (a need) the p'raps enlightenment cannot be attained? But once it has been attained...is there not room for romantic involvement of a different kind?
A person can be whole without romance. A person can attain enlightenment without romantic love as it were. When someone says that someone needs to have sex with someone to have enlightenment, that is just wrong and superstitious. There is alot more to enlightenment then meets the eye. But more importantly there is a need for forgiveness of sins, and that only God can do. | |
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Posted: 12/20/2007 2:19:55 PM | Nobodies saying that... where was somebody saying that? Who said it? And yet... go to most "family" churches and you'd think it was the case.
I'm talking christian churches too. Call me a dry tree will you? | |
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Posted: 12/20/2007 2:20:51 PM | Love On Fire: I think you have misinterpreted what she said...
While there is an addiction for romantic attachment (a need) the p'raps enlightenment cannot be attained? But once it has been attained...is there not room for romantic involvement of a different kind? Here is what I get from it:
While you have a grasping need for another to fill a deep void within you... you will not attain enlightenment, because you will be too busy seeking outside of yourself..
But once you understand that only YOU can fill that inner void.. that in fact there IS no void, but a deep resevoir of *love* and peace within... THEN you are able to find a different kind of romantic love..
Not a grasping co-dependent type of love, but a meeting of equals...
I picture a triangle... the love from my heart shines to his as his shines to mine.. which invites universal/God's *love* to shine upon the union... creating a pyramid of energy.. where our love flows with the divine...
That cannot be attained when there is a grasping void within one or both..
Of course I have no way of knowing whether this is what Wendersum meant with the above quoted... but that is what I get from her words...
JMO :) | |
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Posted: 12/20/2007 2:40:43 PM |
A person can be whole without romance. A person can attain enlightenment without romantic love as it were. When someone says that someone needs to have sex with someone to have enlightenment, that is just wrong and superstitious. There is alot more to enlightenment then meets the eye. But more importantly there is a need for forgiveness of sins, and that only God can do.
Not only can a person be whole without romance, I think true romance requires it... If you are not happy with who you are and need someone else's love to define yourself, you are not wholly there for you or anyone else... If that makes any sense.
I don't think I've heard too many people say you have to have sex to attain enlightenment... I've heard people say that pleasing another in that way can bring you close to God and I can see that in a way believing in Unity as I tend to.
I must say the forgiveness of sins part blows me away every time... How about just taking responsibility for your actions thereby learning from missing the mark? That's really the only attonement in my opinion.
More importantly, why are you bringing up sin in a thread about expressing love? I find this very curious indeed. | |
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Posted: 12/20/2007 4:36:32 PM | Thanks Sassy and yes that was pretty close to what I was saying.
While there is 'neediness' and looking for answers/fulfillment outside self...enlightenment cannot be attained. There is a feeling of a void to be filled.
Seeking romantic love to fill the void is much the same thing. Its the 'wanting'.
Once enlightenment has been found/achieved and there exists a wholeness....we are then able to give/share/receive. While in doing so lose nothing of ourselves nor take anything either. Its give/give.
Re forgiveness? If you are looking for forgiveness outside yourself....same deal...the void will persist. Seeing yourself and being honest with and about yourself, then is where its at. Then comes conscious decisions and acceptance of responsibility for our own actions....on a minute to minute basis. Like Stones said. | |
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Posted: 12/20/2007 8:49:03 PM | | statueman - I have no idea how you got " I want to fix someone" out of my statement, on the contrary. When I have much to offer and males have little to offer, I give, they take, they don't reciprocate. I can't make any excuses for my lack of finding better men other than to say that I don't know what a "good man" looks or feels like in a relationship. | |
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Posted: 12/20/2007 8:55:29 PM | romatnico -
I don't believe in a christian perspective, although I have to tell you a disagree with your interepretation of it - having been emmersed with christianity growing up (hence why I am no longer.)
"Love" in the romantic sense is a utility of being human, it is to procrate and to provide a stable upbrining for offspring once children born. You don't hear anything about "you and your wife or husband and all your children are going to remain a family in heaven forever ." If you were an angel - why would you have sex? Wouldn't the ecstacy of "god" be the reward?
Just playing the advocate. Though I do agree with your last part of the paragraph about moderation. | |
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Posted: 12/20/2007 8:58:21 PM | | dreams - interesting input, my point I should have clarified is - it is not the sex leaving me drained rather the relationship because I tend to give more than I get so to speak, which I am aware that I allow by not choosing better partner but not yet figure out how to totally avoid/prevent such situations from happening. But I remain optimisic :) | |
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Posted: 12/21/2007 6:49:31 AM | average anomoly
statueman - I have no idea how you got " I want to fix someone" out of my statement, on the contrary. When I have much to offer and males have little to offer, I give, they take, they don't reciprocate. I can't make any excuses for my lack of finding better men other than to say that I don't know what a "good man" looks or feels like in a relationship.
I related a true story of a friend I once knew and didn't mean to insinuate that you were doing that but what you said reminded me of her. When I wrote that she wasn't trying to fix anyone I do remember thinking that may be what's going on with you. I can most whole heartedly relate with what you say about having no excuse... For my part I've come to believe that a simple lack of maturity within my own life has thwarted relationship endeavors. Subconsciously I may have been hoping you were looking for a "fixer upper"... | |
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| The Spiritual significance of Romance
Posted: 12/21/2007 7:32:51 AM |
Here is what I get from it:
While you have a grasping need for another to fill a deep void within you... you will not attain enlightenment, because you will be too busy seeking outside of yourself..
I totally agree, you can only be loved if you have the capacity to love in return. Damn .. grouchy old Nergal getting soppy lol. I dont think romance has any especially spiritual significance, its hard if the person you are involved with doesnt have your spirituality. Too many people get involved in relationships because they find something lacking in their own lives. Being fulfilled as a person, whether its spiritually or not, is the best way to attract someone into your life. | |
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Posted: 12/21/2007 8:31:36 AM |
it is not the sex leaving me drained rather the relationship because I tend to give more than I get so to speak
Sorry I wasn't just refering to the sex part. It is more the relationship as a whole that I was ALSO refering to. The principle is the same for that as well.
If one is negative in the relationship and the other is positive then that will ALSo drain you.
If one is a grumpy pessimist and the other is a bubbly bundle then one of two things is going to happen. Either one that has the most power will input some of that power into the other one causing automatically the person to change on their own OR if the two are equally matched in there ways eventually it will fail.
My entire past I always chose someone with problems and then fixed them. The problem I had is once their problems were fixed there was nothing for me to fix and I had to move on.
I didn't realise it at the time that I can be with someone that doesn't need to be fixed and still satisfy my need to fix people by doing so outside of the home.
So given the topic of the thread..... For me the signifigance of romance is essential for me to share my energy with to recharge me for the many drainings that happen outside of the home.
That for me is my NEW deciding factor and I am guessing is why I have been alone for over 3 years now.
I used to look for the ones in need of repair which are everywhere. Now I am searching for someone that i do not have to repair that can add to my quality of life and that in today's world is much harder to find. Too many judgmental women due to their pasts that it makes it next to impossible to find one like me. (before I get bashed yes I am aware that they are judgmental because of other men hurting them in the past. But to hold onto that instead of releasing it means it will fester inside and harm your future)
This is just my opinion on my observations.
grasping need for another to fill a deep void within you
I really need to change the way my mind thinks about things.....lol..... In a different context that just has a completely different meaning when coupled with this statement
only YOU can fill that inner void
I am sorry Sassy. I almost offered to help you with that endevor but I see you have it under control...lol | |
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Posted: 12/21/2007 8:59:52 AM |
Here is what I get from it:
While you have a grasping need for another to fill a deep void within you... you will not attain enlightenment, because you will be too busy seeking outside of yourself..
I totally agree, you can only be loved if you have the capacity to love in return. Damn .. grouchy old Nergal getting soppy lol. I dont think romance has any especially spiritual significance, its hard if the person you are involved with doesnt have your spirituality. Too many people get involved in relationships because they find something lacking in their own lives. Being fulfilled as a person, whether its spiritually or not, is the best way to attract someone into your life.
I was going to post about this but I see Nergal and who he quoted are touching on it too.
re:Looking for parts of you outside of yourself...
The separation...
The separation of God and yourself, your own spirituality, your sense of BEing, loving, self esteem, always looking for approval...I could go on... and on... and on.
Our God, path, deep emotional fulfillment-(sex too), happiness lies within ourselves. Too many times we are taught from a young age to put these so very important things into another's hands for safekeeping...because we believe we don't have the authority or intellect to handle them ourselves. Western culture teaches us this, because the foundation of it is an expression of not being able to handle things for ourselves. This gives way to opening ourselves to agree to be controlled by others, substances, relationships etc.
We need to break free and understand that we are in charge of ourselves, emotions, gratification....
We all need to fully walk into our Being, take control-with guidance from our own intrepretation of 'God' and walk in one step. Be the seaker of your own truths. Gravitate towards people who can reflect your inner self back to you... be the mirror. Most times you are reflecting back to them and it's a mutual learning experience.
lol!
off the soapbox
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Posted: 12/21/2007 9:11:06 AM | Hi Dreamer,
My entire past I always chose someone with problems and then fixed them. The problem I had is once their problems were fixed there was nothing for me to fix and I had to move on.
I didn't realise it at the time that I can be with someone that doesn't need to be fixed and still satisfy my need to fix people by doing so outside of the home.
You could also work on your inner self... we're never finished:) and find a woman who is doing the same things.. positively learning about who she is. then you would have a mutual relationship that can grow.
I used to look for the ones in need of repair which are everywhere. Now I am searching for someone that i do not have to repair that can add to my quality of life and that in today's world is much harder to find. Too many judgmental women due to their pasts that it makes it next to impossible to find one like me. (before I get bashed yes I am aware that they are judgmental because of other men hurting them in the past. But to hold onto that instead of releasing it means it will fester inside and harm your future)
I understand and agree with you! I think you have found your golden jewel(s)! :)
I'm finding the search difficult as well. I thought I had found someone but he lives a bit too far away. .. *sigh*
Happy winter solstice! | |
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