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Posted: 1/27/2008 4:44:12 AM | I guess i shouldn't date catholics since many catholics priest have molested mainly boys. Even worse they allow gay catholic priest to continue. They will even defend the priest that molested the kids. Didn't Jesus walk on water? wouldn't be that considered witch craft? Didn't he heal people just by saying so? I have seen christians being healed on tv, heck they might be a witch according to their own standards. I used to be christian but eventually I figured out the bible didn't make any sense at all. It was one big joke. The bible is translated from hebrew text. Translated inaccurately and lies added on to benefit themselves and to make more money with donations. Isn't this against god? Look at Jim Baker? Catholics don't have any room to judge, their better look at their own first. Wiccans have higher moral standards than most catholics. I have seen many catholics drink til they get stupid, fight among themselves, mistreat people, and more. They think doing bad things and then confession will allow them to go to heaven.
funny how catholics doesn't like pagans either but celebrate Christmas. Christmas was started by the pegans, to make matters even worse jesus wasn't born in dec. people believed he was born in april.
In buddhism they say when a person thinks he's bad, that means you're bad. Otherwise why would you be here on earth to suffer why aren't you in heaven? If you really good person you be in heaven not here.
Wiccans believes in natural healings, being a good person that values virtue how can that be considered a bad person?
Anyways your family shouldn't control your life, your family is not you. For the people said you're not a good christian if you go out with wiccans, well according to the bible you're not a good christian because you can't forgive and the bible also states to judge others as thy judge himself. The bible does state to worship him only but he didn't say your partner or who you date has to worship him. | |
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Posted: 1/27/2008 4:55:23 AM |
I guess i shouldn't date catholics since many catholics priest have molested mainly boys
dude, I'm totally against dating catholic priests. | |
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Posted: 1/27/2008 7:09:07 AM |
But is she wiccan or wicca?
Huh? You can't BE Wicca. It is a noun.
Wicca is a religion. Followers of this religion are called Wiccans.
Much like Catholicism is a religion and Catholics are followers of it. | |
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Posted: 1/27/2008 7:14:01 AM |
Just a question--why were the guys allowed to go free? Last I heard, there are sorcerers, evil magic men, warlocks, etc.
Witches can be male or female. True followers of the Craft don't call themselves warlocks just because they are male. In fact, followers of Wicca consider the term warlock to mean "oath-breaker".
I think you may be watching too many Harry Potter movies!  | |
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Posted: 1/27/2008 7:51:32 AM | All I can say is WOW!
I grew up Catholic and had major issues with it. I researched many different religions and found Wicca to be more closely in sinc with what I believe in. The most common code of conduct among Wiccans is the Rede:
Bide the Wiccan law ye must, in perfect love and perfect trust;
Eight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill;
'An ye harm none, do as ye will';
Lest in self-defense it be, ever mind the rule of three;
Follow this with mind and heart;
And merry ye meet and merry ye part.
Basically, the Reed commits us to have personal responsibility. We must love unconditionally because we are all brothers and sisters, connected to each other and every living thing. Life is a balance between light and dark. Nature is both beautifully creative and frighteningly distructive.
If your family has a problem with that, well, then I don't know what to tell you other than What Would Jesus Do? | |
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Posted: 1/27/2008 2:16:42 PM | TheSOurce:
That statement of yours was about as ignorant and judgmental of Catholicism as any post against Wicca or paganism:
I guess i shouldn't date catholics since many catholics priest have molested mainly boys.
The rate of child molestation by Catholic priests is actually lower than those committed by ministers of other denominations and religions. According to the Chicago Sun-Times, the New York Times, and the Detroit News, 260 reports of abuse yearly in Protestant churches. In the Protestant churches collectively, there are 260 accusations of sex abuse by clergymen against minors, whereas in the Catholic Church, there are 228. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/16/us/16protestant.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
However, the media prefers to report cases of Catholic priests because lawsuits against them generate much more money. Lawyers sue an entire diocese (often 100 to 300 parish churches collectively), rather than an individual church. It also reflects a bias against Catholicism that has been latent in American culture ever since our foundings under our Puritan ancestors. See the book "The New Anti-Catholicism: The Last Acceptable Prejudice" by Philip Jenkins. http://www.amazon.com/New-Anti-Catholicism-Last-Acceptable-Prejudice/dp/0195176049/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1201469258&sr=8-1
Did you know that public school teachers commit child sex abuse at a rate literally 100 times higher than clergy of any religion? By your logic, we should never date teachers or kids who attended public school.
Even worse they allow gay catholic priest to continue.
A lot of people would argue that the homosexuality factor doesn't make a difference. I'm undecided. However, the Holy Father, Pope Benedict XVI, was under fire by the media in 2005 for issuing a document that renewed the ban on actively homosexual men from joining the priesthood. Of course, actively sexual men of any kind should not be priests, but since you mentioned a false statement, here's what the document says in contradiction to you: "If a candidate practises homosexuality, or presents deep-seated homosexual tendencies, his spiritual director as well as his confessor have the duty to dissuade him in conscience from proceeding towards ordination."
They will even defend the priest that molested the kids.
Who are "they"? Maybe a few erroneous bishops have defended their criminal priests, but my archbishop has not, nor have those bishops which teach and defend the orthodox Catholic faith.
Didn't Jesus walk on water? wouldn't be that considered witch craft?
Yes to the first, no to the second. Terms like witchcraft and divination refer to attempts to harness supernatural power from someone or something other than God.
I have seen christians being healed on tv, heck they might be a witch according to their own standards.
And many Catholic saints throughout history have been able to heal, raise the dead, fly or levitate in the air, bilocate (appear in two places at once), read minds during confession, multiply food, or live off of absolutely nothing but Holy Communion without eating anything else.
But since all of these miracles and powers come from God or one of His agents, they are not considered witchcraft or divination.
I used to be christian but eventually I figured out the bible didn't make any sense at all. It was one big joke.
I used to be an atheist and thought that about the Bible as well. Later I realized that it makes a lot of sense. That's irrelevant, though. It is, however, certainly not a joke. It's a pretty serious text. I don't believe in the words of the Muslim Qu'ran, but at least I know it's not a joke. It's dead serious stuff.
BTW, if your entire knowledge of Christianity was based on just the Bible, I think that's a problem. Traditional Christianity involves much more than just a book, you know.
The bible is translated from hebrew text. Translated inaccurately and lies added on to benefit themselves and to make more money with donations.
Part of the Bible is translated from Hebrew, and part from Greek and Aramaic.
You don't seem to be familiar with Biblical scholarship. There are many translations of the Bible on the market, and we can cross-reference them with the oldest Biblical texts we have, such as Codex Vaticanus, Codex Sinaiticus, and the Dead Sea Scrolls. It's easy to find Bibles that provide every possible translation for every single Hebrew, Greek, or Aramaaic word in the entire text. There are books called concordances that help with this.
But again, Christianity, and especially Catholic Christianity, is about so much more than just a book.
Isn't this against god? Look at Jim Baker? Catholics don't have any room to judge, their better look at their own first.
Jim Bakker isn't a Catholic, he's a Protestant minister. I don't know a lot about him.
The Catholic Church has a roster of many of her own who have lived Christ-like lifestyles. To name a few off the top of my head.....
St. Nicholas of Myra, the wealthy shipowner who gave all his wealth to become a bishop (now known as Santa Claus in the U.S.);
St. Francis of Assisi, the man who almost single-handed reformed the medieval Church with his example of holy poverty and founded the Franciscan Order;
St. Anthony of Padua, who continued St. Francis' work;
St. Dominic de Guzman, founder of the Order of Preachers aka the Dominicans;
St. Teresa of Avila, Spanish mystic and reformer of the Carmelite Order;
St. Thomas Becket, archbishop of Canterbury who was murdered at his altar for standing against King Henry II of England;
St. Thomas More, Lord Chancellor of England and renowned scholar who gave up his life for refusing to submit to King Henry VIII's annulment and break from the Church;
St. John Fisher, bishop of Rochester who also stood like John the Baptist against Henry VIII and died for it;
St. Edmund Campion, priest who was drawn and quartered for ministering to Catholics in Elizabethan England;
St. Margaret Clitherow, a woman crushed by stones for using her a house as a safehouse for Elizabethan-era priests;
St. Elizabeth Ann Seton, established homes for orphaned girls around New York;
St. Therese de Lisieux, spiritual mystic and teacher of the "Little Way";
St. Edith Stein, a Hebrew Catholic nun killed at Auschwitz;
St. Maximilian Kolbe, a Polish priest also killed at Auschwitz by offering his life in exchange for a prisoner's who was sentenced to die;
St. Padre Pio, the Italian priest who lived with stigmata;
and famously in recent times, Mother Teresa of Calcutta.
Wiccans have higher moral standards than most catholics. I have seen many catholics drink til they get stupid, fight among themselves, mistreat people, and more. They think doing bad things and then confession will allow them to go to heaven.
Most Wiccans at the present time have, as I understand it, converted to Wicca. They are naturally more devout in Wiccan teachings because they chose to be in that religion.
Next time, try comparing Wiccans with people who have converted to Catholicism.
I have seen many catholics drink til they get stupid, fight among themselves, mistreat people, and more. They think doing bad things and then confession will allow them to go to heaven.
Another bad stereotype which misrepresents what Catholicism is really about.
funny how catholics doesn't like pagans either but celebrate Christmas. Christmas was started by the pegans, to make matters even worse jesus wasn't born in dec. people believed he was born in april.
1.) the word "Christmas" is a contraction of "Christ's Mass". I doubt a pagan would have thought of making up that word.
2.) There is good reason to believe Christ was born on or around December 25. I already ststaed my argument for it earlier in the thread. I said:
Actually, the only time shepherds spend the night with their sheep is when the sheep are giving birth. The ewes are attracted to the rams in July, after the longest day of the year. The gestation period is about 5 months, so the sheep give birth in mid-December. Thus, the shepherds having been out at the time of Christ's birth is a positive indicator of Christ's birth being in December. Furthermore, it is only fitting that the "lamb of God" is born at the time when all other lambs are born, especially in 1st-century Hebrew culture, which was born out of shepherds.
There are two other reasons why Christmas is dated December 25, although to understand, one must have a full grasp of the entire Christian calendar, not just the days that people like to go to church. The specific date of 25 was chosen because of the belief that a prophet is martyred on the day he was conceived in the world. March 25 is the date of the feast of the Annunciation; that is, the day the angel Gabriel announced to the Blessed Virgin Mary that she would conceive a Savior in her womb. This date was chosen because on the Friday of the Passover in 33 AD, the day Christ died, it was on March 25. Nine months later is December 25, the feast of the Nativity (Christmas).
Another indicator of Christ's birth on December 25 is the date of the feast day of St. John the Baptist, on June 25, after the summer solstice. We know when John the Baptist was born through Scripture because his father, Zecaharias, was a Temple priest who lived according to a strict ritual calendar. See Luke 1:23-24. He went home to his wife "as soon as the days of his ministration were accomplished". We know when this is because the Temple priests offered perpetual sacrifice according to their shifts. Zecharias' shift was "the course of Abia" (Luke 1:5), which ends in October. Thus, Zecharias went home to his wife in mid-October and John was conceived at some time between October 15 and the end of the month. This means he would have been born in mid-to-late June.
Not surprisingly, the feast day of John the Baptist is on June 25. And, we know from Scripture that Jesus was born six months after John: December 25. The significance of each being close to the summer or winter solstice derives from what John said about Christ: "He must incease, and I must decrease". After John's day, the days decrease in length. After Christ's, the days lengthen. | |
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Posted: 1/30/2008 1:38:05 PM | | a religon is just a belif and no one should have a problem with any one elses belifes | |
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Posted: 1/30/2008 3:28:33 PM | Speaking as a pagan myself I feel confident to tell you that your beloved will not want to hide in her broom closet. Don't tell an untruth to your family. Way not cool. If they can't accept her for who and what she is then that is THEIR problem, not hers or even yours.
Honesty really is the best policy. You can't chance the way people feel. If you like her then give her enough respect to be honest about her.
Blessed be and all that good stuff. | |
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Posted: 1/30/2008 4:47:36 PM |
Didn't Jesus walk on water? wouldn't be that considered witch craft? Didn't he heal people just by saying so? I have seen christians being healed on tv, heck they might be a witch according to their own standards.
Well, one theme about the supernatural in the Bible is that the devil likes to mimic whatever God is doing. From a Christian perspective, witchcraft would be a cheap copy of God's true miracles, used for evil purposes. | |
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Posted: 1/30/2008 5:27:23 PM | I have read with interest and followed this thread.
The word religion...kinda like politics...either it makes someone passive or it raises the hair on the back of your neck.
I do belong to an "organized religion" church. I am a member....my faith is personal. Maybe I'm one of the few members of my church that don't accept all the church doctrine as my own personal belief and faith.
There is no "organized religion" or set of beliefs that totally fits what individuals really believe or ascribe to. We join...and go and share in that with other members, IMO because there's more that we share than what we don't. Otherwise we'd all be our own "religion" belief system.
I speak from personal experience to say this, there have been times (more than one...haha) when I had struggles, conflicts with the "set mentality" of being a member. I resolved that myself, didn't think it was up to the organized religion or church to do so. Just my thoughts and experiences from my own life, I will say that sometimes when a member is going through this, the leaders are the most dumbfounded and ill equipped to help or guide someone...a "member" how to cope.
I'm not mad, disappointed or ashamed of any of it. I have talked to some of the supposed leaders at times and gone away feeling more confused and frustrated.
I do know what I believe and I DO believe that there is a soul born and living forever in every person. I do fall back on the supposed premise that I thought was what religion and faith had to offer. Peace of mind..peace within yourself and relating to all the other humans you deal with, have relationships with and encounter.
Peace, acceptance...love, acceptance. That's my "religion" if you will, that's what I always fall back on go to and it's always worked.
If I can say or so something for someone that gives them an inward peace...WOW I'm so happy. What my religious or faith thing is...if I'm asked...and only if I'm asked...I'll say what I believe and share how it's helped me. If it has, I've also shared with other people their conflicts within the faith.
I can only share my experiences and my own personal road to inner peace and contentment. And I'm happy to...and more often than not...it's not about religion or faith...more often than not..it's about people and relationships.
If someone has another path, goes to a different church or holds fast to another faith. It's never been a problem yet in relating to them on a personal level. And forging, strong, lifetime relationships.
It hasn't been a barrier for me personally. For some others it is and a dealbreaker. I understand honestly I do and wish them no ill will or have any bad feelings.
Who wouldn't want inner peace. Many turn to a proscribed religion to find that. Nothing wrong at all. The thing that churches and doctrines and leaders IMO don't know how to guide, advise is how to make it your own. Personal...I know this myself, as a member of a church and a strict..ehh organized religion.
I agree, abide with and support and believe in more than I don't. And I've met and talked to many people and yes I ask...and haven't found one who fully, totally subscribes to everything. I don't have a conflict with that, I don't think they should. It's how important in the big picture the commonalites and the difference are. IMO!
My "religion" being christian means christ like. And I won't quote the scripture...but it's a core belief that I can espouse, embrace and be happy with. Accepting and loving...tolerance..I think it's great.
Not tolerate like putting up with but wow...a new person, maybe just chatting in line...we bump up against come across all sorts of people. And I love that I have the choice, I can choose to see them as someone like me, a human, who's wanting acceptance and understanding. I relate, I like that too! So if I can give that out, just as a fellow human being to another one, if they accept that. Great! If not, I understand, too.
And it is something I've noticed when you meet someone or share a ride on the elevator...or chit/chat in a line at a store. There is that...that yearning that need....and religion not only hasn't answered or addressed basic human needs, when someone plops out a religion...I'm this or that. It doesn't draw them closer..it tends to repel.
That's what I find the saddest about it all, and the hardest to deal with. I have my own faith, my beliefs and as a member I have chosen to have a label.
For those that get to know me...it's not a hinderance. But I do undertstand labels...and it's heartbreaking that it keeps people apart. From what they seek and want and should. Caring relationships...my label doesn't "match" yours. I have no problem with that...I know those who embrace their labels so much..well I don't know.
Because I haven't and it is a label, I'm just thankful it's not prevented me from having terrific relationships and loving so many people that love me and we don't have to be branded with the same label. I like the label of "canned peas"...i'd prefer frozen...but ehhh.. | |
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Posted: 1/30/2008 6:22:02 PM | | haha i had to stop and think about this for a min ! love the analogy :D | |
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Posted: 1/31/2008 8:35:45 AM | | I just thought I'd drop in once again and say that, in the time between my last post here and now, I've started dating a Wiccan myself. Her parents are both Wiccan and she was raised in a Wiccan community. It'll be interesting to see what the reverse situation of the OP's is whenever I get around to meeting the parents! Thankfully, she herself seems to be pretty accepting of my religion and has expressed interest in attending the Latin Mass. | |
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Posted: 6/17/2008 8:24:31 PM | Someone mentioned Christmas (December 25) being opposite St. John's Day (June 25). When the Church came up with those dates, the Western world was on the Julian calendar and later when we switched to the Gregorian calendar, we skipped about 3 days. Therefore, when we were on the Julian calendar, December 25 was the day on which the winter solstice was observed; June 25 was when the summer solstice was observed. In Rome, particularly, Saturnalia was observed on December 25. It makes sense when Kronos/Saturn was considered the father of time and the winter solstice marks the time when the day is at its shortest. I think the birthday of the Persian god Mithras was also observed on December 25.
At any rate, anybody today following a religion based on ancient pre-Christian European religious beliefs have Christian monks and Muslim scholars to thank for keeping the knowledge and heritage of ancient Europe intact for future generations. | |
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