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Posted: 12/17/2007 6:40:50 PM | I don't know... dancing around a campfire naked sounds like it could be kinda fun! As long as you don't accidently fry the weiner... Can't say I've ever done it but hey, guess I'll try most things once.. Any wiccans out there??
Remember don't take life too seriously, its only temporary... | |
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Posted: 12/17/2007 6:59:07 PM | How does she feel about you being Catholic?
The door swings both ways, if she's accepting of your practice of your spirituality you should also be accepting of hers. How you deal with your family's objections is a different matter.
You've only been dating a few months, a little early to be talking serious things like bringing in the family scenario IMO. It's okay if you're talking about it already, if you are then I'd guess you'd anticipated some resistance. If your families not willing to accept your choices for a romantic partner, then it'll limit the time you spend around your family. That's just how it is, they may come around when they see you're serious and they can't run her off or make you break up with her or they may not.
Not an easy decision, but it's hers also, so be sure to include her in it.  | |
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Posted: 12/17/2007 7:08:48 PM | | While I am pagan, not wiccan, I've been in this situation. It didn't work out, lets leave it at that | |
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Posted: 12/17/2007 7:13:37 PM | As far as waiting, I ran into the same sort of thing with a Jehovah Witness that I've been seeing since June. Now that it is Christmas time (they don't celebrate holidays) it is a real problem. 
In retrospect, I really wish I followed my gut and ended it June.
Passionate topics like Religion, Politics, family traditions, and core beliefs if different most likely will divide people.  Men and women are different enough.
A relationship counselor that I know recommended following the "birds of a feather flock together" ideology instead of "opposites attract" ideology. | |
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Posted: 12/17/2007 7:29:24 PM | ~OP~ Great attitude.  Last weekend I was blessed with the company of a great friend who brought the movies "The Root of all Evil" down. I raised my son from age 5 to experience Buddhism, Christianity, Taoism, Hewbrew (to some extent), Muslim and other variations of religion. Why? Because it was his right to know more than his mother. Today, he's nearly 22. I didn't know until a while ago he has chosen Taoism/naturalistic view as is his chosen path. Good for him, he was offered options, researched and found his own path. Dr. Hawkins (from Oxford, the predecator of those videos) goes on a spiritual exploration and his biggest biitch: When someone calls a child "he's a Catholic, he's a Muslim, she's a Methodist, etc." I completely agree. We are blank slates and until we are informed and interested enough, it should remain that way. It's tough with children. Christians want to fear them into goodness, people like me want to welcome them into the realm of "free-thinking." I don't think there is a winning position. Other than to expose them to other ideologies, they just remain "one of the masses." I chose a different route ~ and I'm so glad I did. Best of luck to you. Happy holidays. | |
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Posted: 12/17/2007 7:37:43 PM | It comes down to what is important to you, OP. Can you live without her? Can you live without the approval of parents, friends, etc.? Are you looking for an excuse to allow the relationship to fall apart?
As a brief aside, I've noticed that people in this situation--Jewish and Christian, Wiccan and Catholic, etc--are [insert religious denomination] in name only. For instance, they kinda go through the motions or they consider themselves as such merely because their parents exhibit the religous attributes.
Thus, I believe Catholics (to use your post as an example--not to single out Catholics), who find themselves in this position, equate religious affiliation to ethnicity or nationality. | |
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Posted: 12/17/2007 7:45:46 PM | | I'd avoid the subject. Quentin Crisp once said that parents know, but don't want to be told. I happen to agree with him. | |
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Posted: 12/17/2007 7:56:54 PM |
Been dating the lady for a couple of months. Recently found out she follows Wicca. I'm Catholic, but I do not have an issue with it (very tolerant). Unfortunately, my family is not. Told them she is "agnostic"? Not sure how to approach them, or should I leave it alone until it IS a problem?
Umm..how close are you two?
Wiccans are usually VERY vocal about their beliefs.
Often to the point of boring their listeners.
Maybe you should look at why it took you so long to discover somebody that you obviously are very serious abouts' religious beliefs.
That seems to be a bigger immediate issue than gaining your family's approval.
They may potentially not like her for any number of other reasons. | |
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Posted: 12/17/2007 7:59:20 PM | | i dated a wiccan for 2 and a half years. i'd wake up in the morning and she'd be praying to trees. i was cool with it, its harmless for the most part. when they start believing that their spells can alter peoples lives and stuff, i just find that a bit crazy to actually believe they can control anything in life. as for myself, i'm completely atheist, raised catholic though. but i mean whatever. people can believe what they want, just don't tell me i'm wrong, or push your beliefs on me and i'm cool with it. i wouldn't tell your parents though, its really none of their business, especially if you think they'll be against the two of you being together and make your life harder. | |
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Posted: 12/17/2007 10:38:35 PM |
Christians want to fear them into goodness, people like me want to welcome them into the realm of "free-thinking."
Now now, are we lumping people that believe in Christ as trying to scare everyone, that Christians cannot also think for themselves? Please, you say that you wanted your son to choose, but sounds like someone is biased. I don't preach, I don't push, I don't hide my candle either! I have done tons of reading and talking to people more knowledgable than myself about religion, religious beliefs, etc. from the early beginings of man etc. Yeah, like I do believe that Eden was in Africa before a great flood because of scientific evidence. I don't pretend to know it all and am constantly learning about people, religions, beliefs, lifestyles, and so much more. I welcome knowledge in all forms.
Can plants and animals be closer to God, hey maybe. Of course I do watch a cat play with a mouse and wonder if it knows that the mouse is suffering or that it is hurting it. I can not imagine how you could be dating someone that is really into any religion without knowing about her beliefs. A couple months, do we me two or three? I have often had the religion discussion prior to meeting someone because I really am pretty understanding of different beliefs and believe in the Bible that was written by humans. So yeah, it is up to my interpretation and what I believe the humans wrote that was translated a couple times into the few books we call the Bible. Your gf might really believe in just God and might be feeling you out, and/or she might be just getting involved with Wicca, or maybe she is really into it and hasn't been doing anything because of fear of loosing you. I think you need to talk to her and decide what you think and feel about how her beliefs effect/affect you and your possible life together. That includes other family members' feelings, but hey, I have never been real good with in-laws, so I am not gonna say that in-laws are great about judging people. She may not be judging your relatives and yet they could be judging her. It is ironic how these things work sometimes. I am not saying your family is doing that. I really am just writing about what I have seen.
You also have to decide what you believe as an adult. That might be better to think about before talking to her, she might ask you to go first. I mean, I can just hear her saying, ok, you think I am different for talking to a higher power(s), yet you think saying so many whatevers is really going to get you off the hook for (fill in the blank with whatever you would say in confession). You might have the talk and she gets you involved with her beliefs and practices. Who knows what she believes until you talk to her. You might actually get much closer because you allowed her to open up to you.
Good luck, God Bless, May the Lord be with you and yours and of course.....
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Posted: 12/18/2007 12:09:08 AM | I empathize with your issue - I had to defend my daughters right to be (allbeit temporarily) Wiccan whilst in a Catholic High School. No easy dispute and took a lot of research so that I understood.
It really depends on how deeply the prson is into Wicca - and how devoutly Catholic your family is. The two extremes may be pretty volatrile - but they are not mutually exclusive.
It depends on whether she is a solo pratisioner or belongs to a Coven which is quite different. Given that it is basically th eoldest religion around and ver earth based - I think there is a large misconception oif the practice in general.
Good luck
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Posted: 12/18/2007 12:33:21 AM |
Been dating the lady for a couple of months. Recently found out she follows Wicca. I'm Catholic, but I do not have an issue with it ... Unfortunately, my family is not... Not sure how to approach them...
To avoid an unpleasant scene, this situation is best dealt with through subtlety and diplomacy.
Take your Catholic family and your Wiccan lady friend on a camping trip, or a beach picnic or some other excursion where you can build a large bonfire. Be sure to sink a big stake or pole near the center of the bonfire. Right before you light the fire, the two of you should tell your family about her Wiccan faith. If anyone gives you a hard time, start casting significant glances at the stake and the bonfire until they stop. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 7:52:34 AM |
Can plants and animals be closer to God, hey maybe. Of course I do watch a cat play with a mouse and wonder if it knows that the mouse is suffering or that it is hurting it.
I am not sure what you mean by the cat thought.
I see humans inflict pain on other humans and cats--knowingly. Which is worse? To unknowingly inflict pain on a mouse, or knowingly inflict pain on any living creature . . . and continue to do so, anyway?
Yeah, like I do believe that Eden was in Africa before a great flood because of scientific evidence.
Please, give me the scientific evidence.
OP, I still say if the opinions of your family are more important than your own, find a Catholic woman. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 7:55:20 AM |
Remember don't take life too seriously, its only temporary...
Ah, many, many pagans believe we come back to do it again. And again. And again.
dancing around a campfire naked sounds like it could be kinda fun
Where the hell are all the pagans who dance naked around campfires? The non-pagans seem to know more about this than I do. Maybe I have met the wrong Wiccans and other pagans. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 8:22:11 AM | | If someone can find these naked dancing pagans, please tell me where to find them. I wouldn't mind dancing naked around a campfire as long as it's warm out, not raining and the bugs aren't bad. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 9:44:39 AM | Exodus 22:18
American Standard Version "Thou shalt not suffer a sorceress to live."
The Answer: Put to death any woman who does evil magic.
Amplified Bible: You shall not allow a woman to live who practices sorcery.
Good News Version: Put to death any woman who practices magic.
James Moffatt Translation: You shall not allow any sorceress to live.
Jerusalem Bible: You shall not allow a sorceress to live.
King James Version: Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
Living Bible: A sorceress shall be put to death.
Catholics/Jews do not think highly of Wicca. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 9:49:44 AM | just hide the cats before letting her sleep over.......... or else you may wake up and be missing a few..........  | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 10:00:06 AM | Please, give me the scientific evidence. The rivers mentioned in the Bible are in Africa and a satelite image of the area showed areas where they were once connected as stated in the Bible and how they connected (flowed into) to the larger body of water. I don't have time right now to check to see if they have this information on the History Channel website (or any other website), but as they showed the image, I am sure they have the satelite image somewhere on the web. I should be less busy next year, or maybe when I wind down tonight and will look and email ya the link if I can find it. It was really an interesting and thought provoking documentary on the History Channel. It showed how the timing of Eve and Adam leaving Eden was the time of the great flood. And of course it shows, per usual, how much I don't know.
Oh, I think that people shouldn't hurt one another. We have awareness that we are hurting someone. I think those that don't hurt and make an effort to be good to everyone are following the teachings of Christ. To me, it is just another question I don't have an answer for, animals and playing with another animal until it dies etc. I know God made the animals etc., but do animals have feelings about hurting other animals. Yes, a human thought. Do animals think like humans, aware of hurting other animals? (I don't wear fur or fake fur. I won't say that I am a Peta member or anything, but at the same time, I have major problems with some of things exposed by Peta.)
Monks aren't considered Christian by any means, but I feel they follow the teachings of Christ (or maybe Christ was taught by them). To me you don't have to say you believe in Jesus to live a good life to go to heaven. I also believe in ghosts, spirits, angels, and all these are in the Bible. So I don't feel when I say and believe things like this I am contridicting myself, but some people think I am. (I won't go into white magic, but have read about the early US settlers who practiced saying prayers to get rid of warts etc.)
As I mentioned, it is difficult for people to understand others' beliefs and I am a good example of someone that can't fully express all I think into words. Your girlfriend may be finding it difficult to express herself to you. I would give her the chance. If you understand her and yourself and feel you can have a great relationship, then you can discuss this with your family more. Until you have an understanding of your beliefs and her beliefs, you really can't explain her to your family if they ask or even to decide what you want to do with your relationship. Maybe she will be scared by your beliefs. Talk to her as soon as possible. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 10:22:24 AM | | The question is ..... How much do I care about this woman? Is her 'religion' something that I can't deal with? In other words..... Just how much crap are you willing to tolerate in a relationship? There is a possibilty that your friends and family, while their beliefs are their own, might try to meddle and cause problems... And if they do, you'll have to be strong and decide the above questions. Religion is a very personal thing, and understanding hers will help you to decide how and where your relationship should go. Learn about it, then make informed decisions... | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 10:50:57 AM | Try Cape Cod, we're not too far from N.Y.>
Finding a local coven can be challenging. When you become initiated, you vow not to disclose your fellow wiccans, or where you gather. I have been a high priestess for seven years, and I am originally from Pennsylvania and know many, many, covens throughout N>Y> and Florida. If you have a spark of an interests, follow through and pick up a book. "Wicca, the Complete Craft", by D.J. Conway is a good place to start. As for dancing naked around the fire, some covens do light the ceremonial bonfire, however, makin love next to it is where the real rhythm begins.... | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 11:16:52 AM | I have the backbone to face my family. We have not be dating for too long...I was just trying to be pre-emptive. I am not here to please everybody (including my family). "To thine own self be true." is what I believe. If it gets to that point...I will listen everybody's advice, which has been very helpful. C'mon, somebody out there had to make it work.
I would never presume to convert her...the inquisition and dark ages are over...
Thanks for the help... | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 11:21:53 AM | Things like this can only be solved by the people directly involved, which would be yourself and the woman you're dating. Realistically, the two of you are the only ones involved; you're dating her, your family is not. As long as they treat each other with respect and tolerance, there is no problem.
If the relationship becomes very serious, then it becomes a bigger problem. She could end up being part of the family, in which case your family might have to be comfortable with her having her own system of belief. If you guys ever had kids, that would need to be discussed as well.
Two people do not always need to share the same belief system to be happy; sometimes, that IS the case, but not always. It depends on how those beliefs are approached and if you're tolerant of her beliefs and she is tolerant of your's, you could do very well together. Now, while your family might have wishes and hopes for you, they cannot live your life. Only you can do that, so live it the way you want to, with who you want to. Tell them if you think you must, but if they get angry at you (or her) remember that you're the one dating her. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 12:32:22 PM | http://www.ldolphin.org/eden/index.html
History Channel wants to sell its video of the show it aired. It only has like a 2 minute clip that doesn't include the satelite map. Above is about the closet I could come to the information that History Channel contained.
I am putting it here, because I think it is interesting. Sort of like the astrologers that went west to find the baby Jesus. It is all interesting.
Hope that the OP might have gotten more out of his question then expected and he has learnt something. Hopefully he will also listen to everyone's advice...ok, not everyone's...yeah, I think you can find some great Bible passages that show where Jesus said it wasn't his place to judge. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 1:55:43 PM | | Dude, you're 37 years old, not 17. It's none of their business. | |
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