| Catholicism vs Wiccan
Posted: 12/18/2007 1:59:27 PM |
The rivers mentioned in the Bible are in Africa and a satelite image of the area showed areas where they were once connected as stated in the Bible and how they connected (flowed into) to the larger body of water.
1. Do not trust every "documentary" on any channel. It it is only as accurate and as unbiased as the people who make them. In addition, don't get theory and facts confused.
2. The "two" rivers mentioned in the Bible are most often thought to be the Tigris and Euphrates. There is no evidence of a worldwide flood--period. There are localized floods that covered huge areas and when your "world" consisted of acres, it could seem as if the world were inundated.
Please tell me specifically where the Hebrew Scriptures mention Africa.
Living Bible: A sorceress shall be put to death. . . King James Version: Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live, etc. . . Catholics/Jews do not think highly of Wicca.
In reality, the word most often translated as "witch" should be translated as "poisoner." When the word first appeared as "witch" in the KJV, it was due to the bias of King James (who was a flaming bi/gay man) because he greatly feared witches. By a seemingly biblical decree calling for the death of witches, James had validation for his pogrom against women (and men, and children, and animals). The connection "could" be made because the cunning folk (aka witches) dealt with herbalism and so do poisoners.
Beyond that, witches as they were known in James' time and in modern times were not known in the times of the Hebrew Scriptures.
The "Witch" of Endor should be more properly called the "seer" of Endor. Note that the Hebrew Scriptures forbid any type of divination, so people who do "water witching" should be put to death along with the other "witches." If we take that a step further, stop looking at your daily horoscope, even in fun. The reason why these things are forbidden is because a human is putting his/her trust in something outside god for answers and are trying to foretell the future--with the possibility of preparing for or even preventing it. One is supposed to rely only on god and trust in providence.
Another note, Saul consulted the seer of Endor AFTER he forbade any such practices in his country. If Christians and Jews follow the example set forth for them, hypocrisy would be the rule of the day.
Until 1953, it was against the law to be a witch in England. There is enough ignorance in the world today without calling for a return to even worse days. | |
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| Catholicism vs Wiccan
Posted: 12/18/2007 2:00:02 PM |
King James Version: Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
Living Bible: A sorceress shall be put to death.
What a violent religion that is, what is it? | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 2:05:31 PM | | Your 37 years old. I think your old enough to make your own decisions. If your family doesn't like you being happy then that is their problem. As long as your ok with it and not thinking you can change her later than listen to your heart and head not your families. | |
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| Catholicism vs Wiccan
Posted: 12/18/2007 2:16:47 PM | Here is a simple answer to your problem. Just go to Mount Sinai where Moses spoke with God and speak to God yourself asking advice on this issue.
Now since this is a holy place and a biblical landmark you should be able to get simple directions to Mount Sinai where God will answer your prayers. Everyone knows where Mount Sinai is for crying out loud.
Please forward me the address once you have it because gosh darn it all. I just can't seem to get directions to this well known holiest of holy places?
Thanks in advance and good luck.
I thank you. | |
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| Catholicism vs Wiccan
Posted: 12/18/2007 2:41:06 PM |
C'mon, somebody out there had to make it work.
I also had a GF that was a hardcore catholic and frankly, the Wiccan GF was a lot more fun. I'm not religious so the Wiccan ceremonial stuff didn't bother me at all. I found it rather interesting. Ultimately, I wanted to just observe from a distance and she wanted me more involved. That's why I left.
It's just a religion and any religion can be taken to the extreme. It doesn't sound like your Wiccan GF takes it to the extreme, so there's no reason why it should be an issue. Shouldn't be any different than bringing home a catholic or jewish girl. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 2:54:09 PM | Your a grown man and should be making your own decisions without outside influence, to include your family. If you can't do that ? Well, lets just say that you have a more serious issue at hand that needs to be resolved if you plan on having a healthy relationship of your own...... VS.  | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 3:17:48 PM | Personally, I don't require scientific evidence to either affirm or deny my faith. And actually the substance of faith is just that....the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of which cannot be seen. If we could prove God, then faith wouldn't be necessary.
Anywhoo...people's spirituality however it's practiced is a very private and personal thing. I have friends of all different faiths and beliefs and it doesn't interfere at all with our relationship as friends. We occasionally talk about it as we may talk about our kids, jobs, etc. Just a topic of conversation, I find all spiritual matters fascinating myself and definitely believe a spirit world exists. When you accept someone, even a friend, you accept them as a total person. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 3:25:18 PM | op....the solution is simple...
both of you convert to being infidels...
...problem solved  | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 3:46:41 PM | | Well your the one dating her so if it doesn't bother you then obviously the religion your family is , is not the one you follow .Date her if it's what you want . Me personally i would not date someone outside my faith. That's just me though and in no way am i telling others they should do the same. We all have reasons for doing the things we do. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 3:51:01 PM | I thought this was going to be one of those threads where we got to vote which one we'd choose ! lol
OP - you say Wiccan like its a bad thing!
ps
Gwendolyn - Awesome posts!! | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 3:55:35 PM | Personally, I don't require scientific evidence to either affirm or deny my faith I'm glad that is working for you.
If we could prove God, then faith wouldn't be necessary. I beg to differ on that one. I am of the opinion it would only strengthen ones faith and put to rest all that is wrong with religion today.
In other words...............All would be right in the world, all charlatans and corruption then exposed. But that's just my take on it.
I was severely bummed out when it was exposed that Santa was a bullshit story.
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Posted: 12/18/2007 4:07:52 PM |
Exodus 22:18
American Standard Version "Thou shalt not suffer a sorceress to live."
The Answer: Put to death any woman who does evil magic.
Amplified Bible: You shall not allow a woman to live who practices sorcery.
Good News Version: Put to death any woman who practices magic.
James Moffatt Translation: You shall not allow any sorceress to live.
Jerusalem Bible: You shall not allow a sorceress to live.
King James Version: Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
Living Bible: A sorceress shall be put to death.
Catholics/Jews do not think highly of Wicca.
I am Christian (raised Catholic-go to a protestant church, but understand some Buddist/Taoist reasoning)
Just a question--why were the guys allowed to go free? Last I heard, there are sorcerers, evil magic men, warlocks, etc.  | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 4:39:00 PM | Have you noticed that look of serenity on your woman's face?
It is because of her beliefs that she looks that way and lucky you will share in that serenity once you decide to live your own life and not your family's version of what is right for you.
If she is true Wiccan, she already understands your faith and respects your choice to be Catholic, it is the Wiccan way.
Do not lie to your family. You will be disrespecting yourself.
The two of your are in each other's lives for a reason. It is a time for growth. You simply have to decide to make it positive.
By the way, Yule/Winter solstice is December 22,2007, be sure to celebrate it with her.
She will celebrate Christmas, the birth of Christ with you, with respect and love,...if she is the real deal.
Like many within this posting, I will say the same, it is your life, enjoy it!
Blessings to you both! | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 5:15:40 PM | | Both "bibles" were written by mortal men. They were in the employment of other mortal men that have/had their on agenda. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 5:31:09 PM |
I never understood really why catholics have a problem with pagans.
its not just the pagans, the catholic church seems to have a problem with anybody who isn't catholic.
...the timing of Eve and Adam leaving Eden was the time of the great flood.
was there more than one flood? i was always alway under the impression that the great flood come much later. or were adam and eve up there scaffolding, swinging hammers with noah?
ot- as a recovering catholic, with a catholic mom and non-catholic dad, i grew up in this situation. that said...
if you and the new light of your life are happy together, there is no reason why this relationship can't work. it is your life, not your family's to live and they're going to have to face up to, and accept that fact. unfortunately, if your family really isn't all that tolerant of other religious points of view, you could be in for some chilly times from them.
all the best to you op. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 5:40:51 PM | | Do what you want. This is about the two of you and if you can be happy together. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 5:44:39 PM |
...she'd be praying to trees
deep down, there isn't any difference between this and praying to a statue. both are the physical embodiments of a spirit in the eyes of the worshipper.
why were the guys allowed to go free?
two words... patriarchal hierarchy | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 5:45:10 PM | Tell your parents to not judge and forgive like their hero Jesus. Or the sinful Witch will put a hex on them.
Pity Wiccans get such a hard time. One of the only religions that doesn't bug the shit out of me.
Personally, I'd tell my righteous parents to piss off if I was in the situation. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 5:45:24 PM | Quote... " I dance around the house in long flowy gowns singing Stevie Nicks songs and I am not Wiccan!!!! Anybody can do that! You don't hafta be a witch!!!! "
Wow the visual I'm getting is quite enticing  | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 6:03:27 PM | I feel pity for your girlfriend that she is dating a grown man who is so overly concerned with pleasing his parents and worrying about their approval as opposed to having a man with a backbone who follows HIS own heart.....
IMHO.... if they cannot accept or tolerate their son with a woman whose religion is different than their own it is not your problem, it is THEIR problem and is more a negative reflection on them, NOT your wicca girlfriend.
You are 37 bro. Time to take control of the reins and lead your own path in life.....
Good luck. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 6:21:19 PM |
Why would you lie?
Aside from mssg 5 , the  factor of That post...
^Quoted^ post is 'Spot On' (in my lil Opinion)
All the 'religious Debate' Aside - IF one is L I E ing , to AnyOne (friends/family/co-wrkrs)
About the person they are involved with/dating/whatever?
Not Good. Exactly what Good can ya see coming of this OP?
Whether you share Same 'faith/practice/AnyThing' , *Or* Not
Whether you 'agree with' *Or* Not
Not really the *point* , now is IT?
'this one' falls under the Obvious ... '2 Trains , on Same track , heading in Opposite directions (at Same time)
seems to me *shrug* | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 7:42:16 PM |
I never understood really why catholics have a problem with pagans.
Actually, Protestants have problems with pagans, too.
Catholics are closet pagans! They usurped the gods and holy places of pagans; they made the Celtic goddess Brigit a saint because they couldn't forcibly stop Celts in the British Isles from worshiping her. They built their churches over temples and sacred groves. They took over pagan holy days such as the winter solstice (Christmas, by the way, Dec. 25 was Mithra's birthday before it was Jesus'), Easter (the name is from the Celtic goddess Eostre, or more remotely, perhaps Ishtar). They also instituted All Hallow's Day (Nov. 1) to combat Samhain, now more commonly known as Hallowe'en (All Hallow's Eve).
Before the pope was Catholic, he was the "pater" of Mithraism. St. Peter's dome in Rome is built over a Mithraic temple.
The virgin Mary is one in a line of virgin mothers, and Jesus is one in a very long line of dying and resurrected deities.
Given all this, I cannot imagine why a Catholic would have a problem with a pagan! | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 8:16:21 PM | I was born to catholic parents. I took my first communion and confirmation. I said my rosary every night. One morning I was very distraught and my mother asked why? I told her I was concerned that I had fallen asleep without finishing my rosary. She said not to worry. One of the duties of my guardian angel was to finish where I had fallen asleep. I had a sister become a nun. Now, that is pretty catholic.
Today, I admit that I am pagan/wiccan. My family has not damned me...they (sigh) tolerate me and my strange attraction to nature and my belief in giving all a space in this fragile world to live. They apologize to me for killing anything.
OP...we do not harm and we do well with all spiritual paths...because we believe there are many. Some of us are not healthy spiritually just as some catholics and protestants and jews and muslims. Heck, I even know some Buddhists that make me pause and wonder.
If you see love and peace from her eyes, if she causes you to drop all pretense and relax and be yourself...thats all that really matters.
Blessed Be to Thee and Thine.
ps...thanks to all of you with open minds.
pps...bonfire this solstice...but I will not be star clad (naked)...to nipply here in the great northwest! | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 8:38:31 PM | To add to the news. We are all about to celebrate Christmas. Two things. One, Jesus was not born on Christmas. That is the winter solstice celebrated by the Romans. Christians used it to mask their own festivities. Second. The whole Santa, and the tree, is more pagan stuff. So if you think about it. If you are Christian, celebrating Christmas involves a couple of bad things, Idolatry, the tree and all that, paganism.
So, let's not judge an have a good time. I have good jewish friends that invited me to decorate their Christmas tree. Happy Holidays to every one. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 9:11:47 PM | Gwendolyn/Msg: 72: Given all this, I cannot imagine why a Catholic would have a problem with a pagan!
But dear woman, are the reasons you’ve stated (Catholics are closet pagans! They usurped the gods and holy places of pagans…) not precisely why Catholicism would prefer that paganism be erased from human memory? An infidel may be tolerated, but a heretic? | |
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