| Catholicism vs Wiccan
Posted: 12/18/2007 9:29:11 PM | | Well who is dating her? You or your family? You can't please everyone, so it's best to try and please yourself. | |
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| Catholicism vs Wiccan
Posted: 12/19/2007 4:24:40 AM |
she'd be praying to trees
Enjoy your xmas tree this year. | |
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Posted: 12/19/2007 8:55:07 AM | the first question i would ask you is ,,are you still living with mom and dad? if so ..do what your told ..
if you are out and on your own ,,date who ever you want ..and if the parents say anything negative find something positive to say back..like ,,be thankful I am not gay.. | |
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Posted: 12/19/2007 9:03:32 AM | dashriprock loved your post.  having studied many religions they all boil down to one thing- faith and belief. so if this woman believes in you and visa versa do not worry what your family thinks. if you care about this woman in time your family will care for her too. not because of her religious status but because she cares about you. | |
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Posted: 12/19/2007 9:15:59 AM | From OUTMIND: To add to the news. We are all about to celebrate Christmas. Two things. One, Jesus was not born on Christmas. That is the winter solstice celebrated by the Romans. Christians used it to mask their own festivities. Second. The whole Santa, and the tree, is more pagan stuff. So if you think about it. If you are Christian, celebrating Christmas involves a couple of bad things, Idolatry, the tree and all that, paganism.
Out mind you should really research before you make religious comments like that. Where do you get the way we celebrate Christmas as being pagan. St Nicholas was a devoted Christian.
"The true story of Santa Claus begins with Nicholas, who was born during the third century in the village of Patara. At the time the area was Greek and is now on the southern coast of Turkey. His wealthy parents, who raised him to be a devout Christian, died in an epidemic while Nicholas was still young. Obeying Jesus' words to "sell what you own and give the money to the poor," Nicholas used his whole inheritance to assist the needy, the sick, and the suffering. He dedicated his life to serving God and was made Bishop of Myra while still a young man. Bishop Nicholas became known throughout the land for his generosity to the those in need, his love for children, and his concern for sailors and ships."
If you would like to know more check out this site: http://www.stnicholascenter.org/Brix?pageID=38 | |
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Posted: 12/19/2007 10:02:15 AM |
Out mind you should really research before you make religious comments like that. Where do you get the way we celebrate Christmas as being pagan. St Nicholas was a devoted Christian.
The name of the roman holiday was Saturnalia.
It was one several holidays co-opted by the early Christian church during their membership drive.
The fact that is forgotten is largely due to the media,the influence of the churches and to the fact that most people barely even read traffic signs much less the history of their world.
You should really check that out for yourself,vinny1234. | |
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Posted: 12/19/2007 11:21:20 AM | | Well, lieing is not good for you. You need to be honest with them and tell them what her religion really is. Your family might slip up and say something that she finds offensive. Most people are understanding enough to overlook this. They do want your support on it as well. Let you family know, even though she is a different religion your feelings about her are the same. Set limits to your families behavior about her religion, to not make her feel uncomfortable. | |
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Posted: 12/19/2007 12:20:45 PM |
He dedicated his life to serving God and was made Bishop of Myra while still a young man. Bishop Nicholas became known throughout the land for his generosity to the those in need, his love for children, and his concern for sailors and ships."
So tell me, when did he moved to the North Pole, began hiring unemployed elves, and got himself some reindeer? Where there any reindeer in the south of Turkey? As is the case with most myths, they start with some fact, then they adapt to the local folklore and it's rehash into something else. Thus your version of Saint Nick albeit true, has very little resemblance to what and how is celebrated. | |
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Posted: 12/19/2007 12:29:25 PM | I had to look at your profile to check your age Op. At 37, I'd think that what YOU think is what matters most. If you're still having problems setting personal boundaries with your family, I doubt you're ready for a boy/girl serious relationship. Getting yourself and your family to the point where you BOTH respect each other's personal choices is a huge part of breaking the apron strings. It's time to break them. It might be rough at first, but parents love you no matter what. So unless they're completely close minded, they'll eventually "accept" you on the terms you set as long as they're fair...with you respecting their choices and them respecting yours.
I have to wonder about the long-term success possibilities for you in a relationship with a non Catholic though....especially since you grew up in what sounds like a very traditional Roman Catholic family. Getting married in the Church is a HUGE deal, as is the promise to raise any children born of the union in the Church. Would you be OK raising Wiccans? Or would she be OK raising Catholics? | |
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Posted: 12/19/2007 12:36:47 PM | | LOL I wonder where do you find unemployed elves. I could use some good workers. | |
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Posted: 12/19/2007 12:42:27 PM | | That was then, now they are all union, drive Volvos and use UPS and Global propositioning for accurate delivery. | |
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Posted: 12/19/2007 12:48:22 PM | | Doesn't the Catholic Church have a problem with everything and everyone... Sheesh!.. Good thing I dont send my son there. | |
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Posted: 12/19/2007 12:53:27 PM |
Doesn't the Catholic Church have a problem with everything and everyone... Sheesh!.. Good thing I dont send my son there.
Wait a second. That is not fair. Just for your information, the Catholic Church does not have a problem with EVERYTHING. Take for instance child molesting Priest. They didn't have a problem with that!  | |
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Posted: 12/19/2007 12:59:33 PM | | Be gentle. Live by example. It speaks for volume that all of the thing s you believe. I'm not Catholic, but respect all demonitational beliefs. And Believe THt living the faith is the only to TO SHHOW WOTHERS THE WAY TO SALVATION . | |
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Posted: 12/19/2007 1:00:01 PM |
Out mind you should really research before you make religious comments like that. Where do you get the way we celebrate Christmas as being pagan. St Nicholas was a devoted Christian.
Vinny, and you should do more research--outside of Christian myth and legend.
The time around the winter solstice was celebrated for centuries before the alleged birth of Christ. Outmind is right; the Romans celebrated Saturnalia then, but they were not the only ones who had celebrations. Mithra, who predates Christ, had a birthday of Dec. 25. He also had a last supper with his "friends" before ascending to heaven. In Armenian myth, Mithra was born of the virgin, Anahita. In Persian Zoroasterism (and in Indian myth) he was the mediator between Ahura Mazda and humans. Sound familiar?
In Western Europe, the solstice was marked as the death of the sun god who was reborn the next day. Celtic myth had the images of the Holly and Oak Kings who battled for supremacy at different times of the year. The Holly King is a prototype Santa Claus.
The traditions of Xmas are firmly rooted in paganism. Holly, ivy, and mistletoe are pagan symbols for everlasting life and fertility. The tree is pagan, likewise. The Yule log, Celtic.
Xtians say the tradition of giving gifts stem from the gifts of the Magi or three wise men. That's great, but the Magi were astrologers from Persia, most likely from the ranks of Zoroaster. They didn't become Xtian! Imagine that! Of course, the story cannot be proven, and has not historical basis.
The "true story" of Santa Claus doesn't exist. Like so many religious figures, he is an amalgamation of different stories passed down through the years. Beware early Christian saints--like Brigid, perhaps they were pagan before they were Catholic. | |
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Posted: 12/19/2007 1:15:53 PM | Obviously if you are Catholic.. and don't have problems dating a Wiccan... you are not true to your belief in God.. or perhaps you don't even believe in God... If you were a CHRISTIAN.. you would understand the importance of being like minded. in FAITH...
I am not being Condescending ... I am simply stating that God is very specific about this..... As a Christian.. you must choose another Christian if you desire to PLEASE GOD..... This is what your dilema should be .. and actually IS all about..
ASK GOD ... if it is ok for you to be dating a WICCAN..... I think it is more the fact that you are not aware of what it means to be a CHRISTIAN.. rather than what you stated as far as being "very tolerant"..... A wiccan to a CHRISTIAN.. is no different than a Satanist with a Christian.... both serve a different GOD.... or gods... | |
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Posted: 12/19/2007 1:19:01 PM | It all comes down to your choices.
If your family is intolerant of her choice of religion and her beliefs, which is ridiculous by all means, it's their problem, and not hers or yours. If you're willing to accept her for who she is, then I don't see what the problem is. | |
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Posted: 12/19/2007 1:33:43 PM |
Xtians say the tradition of giving gifts stem from the gifts of the Magi or three wise men. That's great, but the Magi were astrologers from Persia, most likely from the ranks of Zoroaster. They didn't become Xtian! Imagine that! Of course, the story cannot be proven, and has not historical basis.
Very true, but in other societies that follow the Christian model more accurately, there is no tree, no santa, no lights. You do a nativity and gifts do not arrive until the 6th of January when supposedly the Magi arrived at the manger. On Christmas EVE you have a celebration, culminating with midnight mass and placing of the baby Jesus in the manger.
By the way Gyendolin awesome information. | |
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Posted: 12/19/2007 1:38:52 PM | | It'll be a problem when you want to have children...ie, are you going to baptize them? What faith if any will you raise them in etc. | |
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Posted: 12/19/2007 1:42:02 PM | Many of todays' traditions are derived from pagan/wiccan rituals. I have this past year been researching wicca, I have alot of relatives who were involved in previous generations. There is also a close tie to aboriginal beliefs and customs, which attracts me for heritage reasons.
Many people have the holloywood definition of wicca, as well as witchcraft, and like anything else produced by hollywood, 99% of it is pure crap and not true.
If you like her, and you have no problem with her views and traditions, go for it. | |
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Posted: 12/19/2007 2:09:21 PM | ^^^^Ahhhhhhhhhhhh yesssssssssss. Once again the fear factor rears its ugly head.
Thou shalt not marry free thinkers. You should know better. How the hell am I supposed to control you if you do that.
Damn free thinkers. Hmpffffffff. I damn them all to eternal fiery hell.
Mwwwwhhhhaaaaawwwwwwwwww ha ha ha ha ha .
I mean..................I love you. :)
I thank you? | |
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Posted: 12/19/2007 2:43:49 PM |
. you are not true to your belief in God.. or perhaps you don't even believe in God... If you were a CHRISTIAN.. you would understand the importance of being like minded. in FAITH...I am not being Condescending ... I am simply stating that God is very specific about this..... As a Christian.. you must choose another Christian if you desire to PLEASE GOD....
No, you are not being condescending, you are being judgmental, biased, and narrow minded. You are assuming the role of your god and declaring you have the ability to know the mind of another person.
But it must be wonderful to know the mind of god. It must be great to know what pleases god and that there is only one way to do so--YOUR way.
It must be astounding to be able to look into the mind of someone whom you have never met and proclaim, "perhaps you don't even believe in god [and] If you were a CHRISTIAN."
It must let you sleep well at night, knowing that you DO believe in god and you are a Christian who would never be so stupid as to break the laws of god.
Judge not lest ye be so judged.
In the end times, there will be those who will call out to Jesus and he will say, "I don't know you."
Of course, it also says that you will know a tree by the fruit it bears; if the Wiccan GF sows seeds of kindness and mercy, what does that say about her, and what does your judgment say about you?
In your faith, only your god has the ability to judge.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. | |
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Posted: 12/19/2007 2:52:05 PM | I am not the one dating someone outside my religious affiliation.... nor am I being judgmental.... Perhaps this man does NOT believe in God.. ?? that was not a judgement.. it was a statement....
I do not judge people... I do not tell them what to believe.... I simply answered a post.... with a comment.... The bible clearly states as one of the commandments.. Thou shall have no other God but me....
Wiccan is a form of witchcraft.... It is a CULT.. as far as definition.... according to Christian belief....
What I stated is simply... if this man truly believed in the Church he was attending.. he would understand why it is such a problem to be dating outside his circle of belief...
Personally I could care less.. as I don't even know this person.....
I did not cast a stone.... I answered a question.... and this is why I STATED... I am not being condescending....
Do I know the mind of God.... NOPE..... and I am no better than anyone else... I do know however.... what some of the bible states..... | |
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