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Posted: 2/12/2008 6:39:37 PM | | Looks like Canseco is backing up Roger Clemens. That is a first. Normally he's throwing other people under the steroid bus. Maybe Clemens is telling the truth and McNamee is lying. | |
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Posted: 2/13/2008 7:53:51 AM | | Although, Andy Pettitte looks like he threw Roger under the bus. This looks really bad for Roger. It is sad that Roger might have to face jail time now. | |
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Posted: 2/13/2008 10:10:07 AM | | i dont think clemens will face jail time but the jig is up. this is the evidence that i have been waiting for to sway my opinion. three hours of testimony so far and more to come. i will summarize what my interpretation of the proceeding has been later. this proceeding has been very entertaining so far. i dont think i blinked until the first break presented itself. well, back to the congressional soap opera. | |
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Posted: 2/13/2008 11:08:11 AM | I don't know how you can make anything out of the testimony so far. McNamee has been proven to be a liar again, which was already known. Clemens looks like he's lying but its hard to tell. His story is so unbelievable that it's almost absurd. I didn't use steriods my wife did. 
Eh, whatever I'm starting not to care about baseball anymore. Nascar season is starting so I have something to watch on the weekends now anyway. | |
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Posted: 2/13/2008 1:09:20 PM | under the guise of being concerned about the children and sending them the right message the congress of the united states asked for this hearing. the second such hearing in two years concerning MLB. although this may force education and stricter policys in all sports lets be candid about it, this was about roger clemens guilt or innocence. that was what the majority of the discussion were about. although clemens will not be procecuted for perjory in the future in my opinion he is now guilty. before today i do not see how anyone could have unbiasedly made a judgement concerning clemens and his supposed guilt. there was so little evidence concerning clemens in regards to peds use, so unless you are clairvoyant there was not enough evidence introduced allowing anyone to make an informed decision before today. for everybody who passed judgement on clemens previously i emplore you to analyze this situation and hopefully you will come to the conclusion that you reacted prematurely(i can always hope). there is still not enough evidence that would convict clemens in a court of law. the physical evidence that mcnamee introduced will be found to be inadmissable in my opinion. put yourself in his shoes, what if you were found guilty with the amount of evidence that was previously available in this case? how would you feel?
there were two key points of evidence introduced today that shifted my opinion on the status of guilt for clemens. the admission of pettittes testimony that clemens told andy that he used HGH and that it helps the body to recover is very damaging. pettitte in my opinion is a trustworthy source, but that would not be enough to sway my opinion. the other piece of evidence that i found particularily telling was the admission by clemens that his wife took HGH in 2003. that one to me hits a little to close to home for clemens to claim total ignorance on the HGH subject, which he had in his testimony. clemens testified that debbie was injected by mcnamee without his knowledge in the master bedroom of his house. i thought the wording of that was a little funny. clemens was supposedly furious but still employed mcnamee afterwards.
i already knew mcnamee was a liar before today , nothing new on that front. although he did provide conflicting statements i dont believe that clemens was proved to be a liar as mcnamee was. in my opinion clemens is lying. was he proven to be a liar today? all one can do is reach there own conclusion based on the testimony provided today.
most of the four plus hours of coverage were fairly redundant and was more about camera time for our government representatives. i have to admit that more benefical information came from this hearing than i anticipated. i had heard speculation about pettitte turning on clemens. i had heard speculation about debbie clemens usuing HGH in 2003. to have those two rumors validated was surprising.
once again an american hero has been destroyed. in the long and allustrious history of icons crashing and burning clemens is the latest. he will most certainly not be the last. another sad day in american history. another case of trial by media substantiated. | |
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Posted: 5/20/2009 1:54:36 AM | | I don't care if they juice. I believe if the Russians and East Germans hadn't developed them first there wouldn't be this huge stigma about them. I would allow them to use them but only under Dr. supervision so it's not abused. | |
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Posted: 5/20/2009 4:35:34 AM | So it's not abused?
The very idea of using anabolic steroids for anything other than medical conditions (ie cancer rehav) is the essence of abuse.
Just because a doctor is there, doesn't mean it isn't being abused. | |
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Posted: 5/23/2009 6:25:51 PM | so i ask you how do you feel about the sport you know and love when you know(or should) that the participants are using PEDs.
I think it depends on how competitive you want to be in the sport.
that "winning the title" mentality and mind set is obviously poisoning that "love of the game" mentality (literally)...
the idea of sports to me is recreation and FUN, it's supposed to keep people from doing hurtful things or drugs and alcohol for a past time. ironically, sports celebrates victories with house parties full of sex and drugs, on top of the juice. some athletes resort to more dangerous drugs to be competitive not just the juice. my thought is that the idea of sports has been poisoned.
and how the hell is a guy like Palmeiro (i think i mispelled it) gonna get on stage at 300 pounds with 20 inch arms, point his vainy ass muscle finger at the judge and say he didnt use steroids. "period" ya you cant lie with the juice, its frikkin obvious when guy is on.
thats all i gotta say.
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Posted: 5/24/2009 3:42:21 AM | LOL you obviously only know what you read in the newspapers about steroids. Don't fall for all the propaganda.
And Palmeiro a 300 lb dude with 20 inch arms?? Have you ever seen Rafael?? The guy is NOT big at all. I used to live in the same neighborhood as him. He looks just like any average joe except his forearms are a little thick. Other than that he has no muscle definition...no big biceps/chest, or six pack. If you didn't know him you would of never thought he was a pro ball player. Now McGwire on the other hand...that guy was a horse in a uniform.
Also, the steroid that Palmeiro failed a drug test for (winstrol--AKA winny) is not for building muscle. It's actually for speed, your joints, and recovering quicker. It's used more by pitchers (especially relievers) b/c it adds velocity to their fastball and helps them recuperate faster so they can pitch over and over again without losing any bite off their off speed or velocity off their fastball. | |
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Posted: 5/24/2009 1:08:43 PM | Look buddy,
steroids make your tink little alright?
if you don't like your fellas then by all means, JUICE UP
and throw alll the balls you want.
ALL im saying is that sports is confusing people these days, because its tooooooo damn competitive, it's not about FUN anymore like it used to be, its about monwy, trophies and fame, your name on a damn wall that people otherwise forget. that's my answer to the first fahhhkin question, im not talkingabout your damn winni v. deca. gh or any other juice that's meant for frikkin horses! and yes, palmeiro is a bit small to look like 300 lbs. but he took it a little far with the 'period statement' wuldn't you agree? and yes mcguire is a Mack truck lookin baby gorilla! lol awesome players though.
wht else you got to throw?lol
no pun intended.
(i was just answering the question)
sports has been poisoned, its all about doing whatever you can, to win and come out on top, and for what? a frikkin trophy? and a lil bit of pride? is it not about fun anymore? | |
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Posted: 5/24/2009 3:00:50 PM | Sorry bro, I wasn't trying to "throw" anything at you.
And as far as sports being only about money...yes, for the most part that is true. That's why I prefer college sports to professional sports, but I understand it. Being a professional athlete is a job. As much as people try not to admit it, that's their livelyhood. They're going to do whatever they can get to paid what they think they deserved to be paid. Just like any average joe in their job.
Also sports have always been about winning. That's the point of it. They play to win championships. Otherwise it's pretty pointless. If you don't want to play for championships might as well not even keep score. And they do have fun. They all go nuts when they win a championship or a big game or even just a regular season game on a walk off. They enjoy playing but advertising and money have a big part in it. Just like the majority of the well paying jobs out there.
And as far as juicing poisioning the game...i can kind of understand that. But I also understand why they do it. Since the beginning of sports the players have always tried to get an upperhand on their opponent--fair or unfair. It's part of competition. There are admitted cheaters in every hall of fame--Gaylord Perry, John McEnroe, Michael Irvin (he perfected offensive pass interference and I love him for it lol), etc... | |
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Posted: 5/24/2009 3:16:23 PM | hehhe, yyea i'll give you that one, it IS a business of entertainment even going back to the Colosseum. those were games right? i think that wouldve been a hell of more fun than today's sports. lolll just kiddin.
so it Is a job in the entertainment industry (and just throwing it out there, do you think games are rigged if it's in fact a business? i mean i seen my fare share of "why didnt the ref call that one?")
"Also sports have always been about winning. "
ye that's true, fun is a given factor i guess. and money is the motivating factor.
but then why take it so damn far? I asked a judge for bodybuilding once and asked,
" when it's a "tie" who gets the upperhand?"
you know what he said? the guy that suffered the most.
what the fahhhk kinda crap is that?
bodybuilding is a sport, and to be competitive...well we know the rest. and i aint pointing fingers or elbows, eyebrows at ANYONE in the sport of bodybuilding.
and for the main question. You gotta do your damn best to be a top competitor, juice or no juice, i've heard of pro MLB stars who don't use PEDs. | |
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Posted: 5/24/2009 3:37:44 PM | Yes, it is an business of entertainment. I don't hear anyone complaining about all the rock stars making their money when people buy their albums, going to their concerts, listen to them on the radio, etc... If people don't like what athletes get paid, stop going to the games, watching them, and buying the merchandise. The American society is all about consumerism and advertising. And the more we pay for our sports the larger the pot grows, therefore the bigger piece of the pie athlete's get--and deservingly so. I'd rather that money go to the players than the owners.
And yes, I think some games are influenced by refs/umps, especially basketball. Notice this years playoffs...Rajon Rondo should of been suspended (he was trying to start a fight for goodness sakes) but they didn't b/c he was an important player going into a deciding game 7. They bent the rules for them. Also it happens in football...they change rules to help benefit teams that are succesful--i.e. the Patriots...the "tuck rule," and now the rule about going after a QB's knees--Tom Brady. The leagues will protect the bigger teams b/c it's more profitable when they get in the playoffs or the championship. The NBA will do it's best to get it a Kobe vs Lebron in the finals...which is why Kobe didn't get suspended for throwing his elbow at Artest. These games aren't scripted but the leagues will do its best to get the team they want to advance to do just that.
And yes, PED's users are the minority in all sports but they get the most coverage therefore it seems like they are the majority. | |
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Posted: 5/24/2009 4:48:18 PM | so you "concur" many games out there are rigged, as if they were locomotives on a track to hell. 
And the 100s of $millions going into sports, i always wondered where the money came from. and there you have it, ENTERTAINMENT, people pay and i mean PAY to see what they want! If they wanna see a hundred homers in a game, then bring on the juicy juice!
hell, they feel like gods, they make millions, people pay for it and they live the life.
So is PED's really the athletes fault? or just a product of what people want?
but even then, drugs or no drugs be they stanazolol, dhea, ephedra, pain killers, juice, mary jane lol, coca-cola lmao.....it goes beyond the drugs. drugs are a small yet over-stressed piece of baseball.
just like you said dude, its what we hear on the news. | |
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Posted: 5/25/2009 4:50:42 AM | I can't really say if its' their fault or not...in my opinion it's not really anyones. It just happens. Someone along the way started it all, whether it be Canseco or someone before him, and guys decided to keep up with everyone else. Hey, if someone came up to me and said if you take this you will make more money and be able to provide for your family more, I'd do it. I don't blame them at all.
I started to take steroids when all the college/pro scouts I were talking to kept telling me if I gained 25 more lbs they give me a serious look. And sense I didn't have a lot of time to gain it naturally I started juicing. Hey call me a cheater but it was either that or miss out not getting a scholarship or a signing bonus. I eventually got a full ride--academic and athletic and then got off the juice.
Also we are all humans. I don't understand why sports fans don't realize this. They get so p.o'd when a guy takes roids and get all sad because they had them on such a high pedestal. They are humans. They make mistakes. They make misguided decisions.
How many people have taken a short cut? Never done it in work? Or school? Ever found yourself speeding to get somewhere on time?
All this steroid talk seems very hypocritical to me. Like I said before there has been cheating since the beginning of sports and there are ADMITTED and CELEBRATED cheaters in the hall of fame--look up Gaylord Perry. I guarantee a pitcher doctoring a ball will effect a game more than a guy who is juicing. I've seen what pitchers can do with a ball after they doctored it. It's ridiculous. Cartoon like movement.
IMO the only reason steroids have such a big stigma about them is because the Russians and East Germans developed and started using them before us. And they shouldn't be illegal. But that's an entire different conversation. | |
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Posted: 5/25/2009 6:48:04 AM | IMO the only reason steroids have such a big stigma about them is because the Russians and East Germans developed and started using them before us. And they shouldn't be illegal. But that's an entire different conversation.
Does this mean the studies showing negative side effects to ones health is not an issue to be concerned about. Yes we are all human, young humans make mistakes, in this case mistakes that rob them of their health. | |
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Posted: 5/25/2009 1:54:29 PM | Yes, there are negative side effects to them. But there are also good and healthy side effects from them as well...IF they're used correctly.
If you used steroids you are not guaranteed to have health problems. It's a side effect. Like any other medicine/drug. Also beyond popular belief there has never been a death directly related to steroid abuse. And don't try to say Lyle Azado...he said he thought his tumor was from steroids, his physician (MD) said it was "highly unlikely." | |
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Posted: 5/25/2009 2:03:27 PM | Alzado owned a restaurant in West Hollywood and had embarked on a career as a movie actor when he died in 1992 after going public. "I started taking anabolic steroids in 1969 and never stopped," he admitted during his pain-racked final days. "It was addicting, mentally addicting. Now I'm sick, and I'm scared. Ninety per cent of the athletes I know are on the stuff. We're not born to be 300lbs or jump 30ft. But all the time I was taking steroids, I knew they were making me play better. I became very violent on the field and off it. I did things only crazy people do. Once a guy sideswiped my car and I beat the hell out of him. Now look at me. My hair's gone, I wobble when I walk and have to hold on to someone for support, and I have trouble remembering things. My last wish? That no one else ever dies this way."
Riverview Cemetery, Portland, Oregon, USA.
Cause of Death: Brain cancer brought on by excessive steroid use. | |
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Posted: 5/25/2009 2:11:39 PM | Again you took from his words and not his actual physician. And yes, he used excessive amounts of steroids. Like any drug--even tylenol--if you use it in excessive amounts it's hazardous to your body. There are several things he did and took that could of brought on his premature death.
I'm not going to argue or try to persuade you. I know both sides of the argument unlike the majority of the people that just read in the newspapers that they're bad.
"Alzado is probably most remembered today for being one of the first major U.S. sports figures to admit using steroids. In the last years of his life, as he battled against the brain tumor that eventually caused his death at the age of 43, Alzado asserted that his steroid abuse directly led to his fatal illness, but every single one of his physicians stated it could not possibly be true, and that while steroid's do have harsh side effects, they were not the cause of his brain cancer."
Every single physician, meaning multiple...MD's who actually get paid for a living for diagnosing and treating someone, and also put their reputation on the line each time they treat someone, said , "No Lyle, you're wrong. It was not the 'roids." I think I'm going to side with people that are actually licensed MD's. I don't know that could be reaching. Maybe next time I get sick I'll go to Tom Brady's house and ask him for a prognoses. | |
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Posted: 5/25/2009 3:13:53 PM | Anabolic steroids - the dangers
What harm can anabolic steroids do, and what do doctors use them for?
Shaun
Dr Trisha Macnair responds
Dr Trisha MacnairAnabolic steroids are synthetically produced chemicals that mimic the effects of natural hormones, especially the male sex hormones (androgens). They include drugs such as nandrolone and stanozolol.
Anabolic steroids help to build body tissue. They increase muscle development, particularly in the upper part of the body - the neck, shoulders, chest and arm muscles.
They also increase bone density while stopping growth at the ends of the bones. It's the production of these sorts of hormones in puberty that stops growth, which is one reason why we don't carry on growing taller through adult life.
Serious risks
The risks of anabolic steroids are well known. They include:
* Cardiovascular changes, such as atherosclerosis (hardening of the arteries) and an increased risk of heart attack
* Altering the ratio of good and bad cholesterol in the blood, lowering levels of the good high-density lipoprotein (HDL) and increasing levels of the bad low-density lipoprotein (LDL)
* Fluid retention, which puts additional strain on the heart
* Liver damage
* Increased risk of certain cancers, such as kidney and liver cancers
* Reduced fertility
* Acne
* Hair loss
Psychological changes are also possible. Although many people say they feel good on steroids, research from Harvard University shows mood swings, aggression, depression, paranoia and delusion are also possible.
Rarely used in medicine
Because of these potentially serious side effects, anabolic steroids are rarely used in medicine.
Occasionally, they're prescribed alongside a high-protein diet to help someone recover and build themselves up after a major and prolonged illness or operation.
They also have a few more unusual uses, such as in certain forms of anaemia to increase the production of red blood cells.
Misuse in sport
Anabolic steroids have been used (or abused) in many sports for years because they help to build muscle and strength. They also speed up the recovery of the muscles after a period of intense exercise, allowing athletes to follow a more demanding programme and greatly increase muscle power. Some say they also increase confidence and give a feeling of invincibility.
However, the bottom line is that the use of anabolic steroids in sport is illegal and a form of cheating. Most professional sporting bodies are clear in their condemnation of those who use steroids.
This article was last medically reviewed by Dr Trisha Macnair in October 2007
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 5/25/2009 3:37:49 PM | Lol you're telling me stuff I already know so you're wasting your time.
And there has never been a registered death directly related to steroids. So don't try to waste your time trying to find that.
Way to bring something new to an old argument...lol. | |
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Posted: 5/25/2009 4:15:11 PM | Steroids
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Did you see the 2000 Summer Olympics? If you did then you know that Andreea Raucan got the gold metal in gymnastics for Romania. Then the International Olympic Committee found pseudoephedrine in her system. When the people found out, they took away her gold medal. Andreea said that she had a cold and that she got medicine with pseudoephedrine. A lot of people didn’t think it was fair. They think that it is rude to take away the medal because she had a cold. It might be a drug that makes you better at sports, but it did not even help her. The International Olympic Committee said they have to follow the rules, so that mint to take away the metal.
Ben Johnson was a famous Canadian runner that set two world records for the 100-meter dash. 9.38 seconds was his first record in 1987. In 1988 he set a record of 9.79 seconds. In Seoul, Korea Ben Johnson raced American runner Carl Lewis for the 1988 Olympics. They have raced against each other 15 times from 1980-1988. Carl Lewis won 9 times and Ben Johnson won 6 times. In the 1988 Olympics, Ben Johnson won the gold medal. Two days after Ben Johnson got his metal, he got it taken away. He got it taken away because he had taken steroids. Then both of his world records were erased from the world records books.
A steroid is an illegal drug that will make you stronger. If you are a swimmer or another athlete they will make you stronger. A weight lifter will become better and stronger. You can also practice longer and lift heaver weights.
Athletes get there medal taken away if they use steroids. That is because it is unfair to the other athletes. Taking steroids in the Olympics is like cheating. Carl Lewis could have beaten Ben Johnson if he took steroids, too. But the dangers of using steroids outweigh the benefits. In most sports competitions, athletes are warned not to take steroids. If you are caught taking steroids your metal will be taken away.
Many teenage boys use steroids. They use a kind of steroids called anabolic steroids. These kinds of steroids make them grow faster. Anabolic steroids make your body more muscular. Steroids are a chemical shortcut to help you grow. The problem with them is that they can make you violent and very depressed. One in every fifteen teenagers uses steroids. That adds up to 500,000 teenagers! Here are some real stories about kids that took steroids.
Michael was 15 years old and he felt very small and weak compared to many other boys. He got picked on and teased by other kids. He soon began to work out a lot. He built up his muscles so when he was 16 years old he weighed 165 pounds and was 5 feet 9 inches tall. Still, Michael wanted to be bigger. That was when he found out about anabolic steroids and illegally bought some at a local gym. Soon, he weighed more, 195 pounds. Because Michael took steroids, he had violent mood swings. He would get angry over little things. Friends and family noticed he was depressed a lot. When he was 17 years old, he shot himself with a rifle. Soon he died. His sister said, "Steroids pulled the trigger."
When Aaron was 17, he had been taking steroids for 5 years. He was the star of the football team, but still had terrible health problems. He had violent mood swings and was really depressed a lot. Still, he could not stop taking the steroids. One night, he swallowed a whole bottle of medicine trying to kill himself. Soon he was rushed to the hospital. Luckily, he did not die. Some medical tests showed steroids caused damage to Aaron’s liver, kidneys, and stomach. "If you do not quit steroids, you will die," a doctor warned him. Aaron listened to the doctor this time and quit taking steroids. At the age of 20, Aaron works to warn other people about the risks of taking steroids. Here are some words from Aaron’s speech at his high school: "I took steroids because I did not believe in myself. I learned the hard way that what matters is how you feel about yourself, not what others think about you. What others think fades away. But what you feel inside last as long as you live."
Birgit Dressel was a star at track from West Germany. Her event was the heptathlon. The heptathlon is a 7-part track and field event. In the 1986 she won 4th place at the European Athletic Championships. In 1987 she won 6th place in the whole world. She hoped that she would win the gold metal in the Olympic of 1988. In the April of 1987 she was practicing and she felt a sharp pain in her lower back. Soon she was rushed to the hospital, but it was too late. Steroids had destroyed her liver and kidneys. Later that night she died. She was 26 when she died.
Do you know that steroids can also be good for you? Doctors give them to you for rashes and allergies. Did you know that asthma is the most common kid disease in the whole world? Five million kids in the U.S. get it. Certain steroids are a safe way to treat asthma in kids, but they do have side effects.
There are some good things about steroids and so many bad things. A good thing is it can treat asthma safely. A bad thing is that your kidneys, liver, and stomach can be destroyed. Too many steroids can destroy your mind. If people take illegal steroids, they will have mood swings. You can be very violent or depressed so much that you might kill yourself. Steroids are taken to strengthen muscles, but they can damage them, too. Steroids can cause heart disease and cancer. They can also make a young child stop growing.
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Posted: 5/25/2009 6:04:03 PM | I really have to say, you can't soley blame the steroids.
There are pain killers, rec. drugs, prescribed drugs, snuff, ALCOHOL!
I mean, were these athletes sparkling clean?
Fahhhk NO, chances are they either used drugs, smoked, chewed, whatever rocked their boat, and not to mention the sex that celebrities get, what you think these guys aren't PLAYERS on multiple levels? you think they're these frikkin top notch abstinence, anti-alcohol,anti-social, NON party goers? and then there's synthol, the street juice, you think that they had little chance of catchin an std somewhere along the line?
well, Im not saying ALLLL athletes are like that? but what else you got? | |
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