| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/21/2007 3:56:17 AM | | Bonds was already great without them, if you believe the timeline of when he started taking them. That's the saddest thing about him. He likely wouldn't have achieved the home run record, but he was a lock for the HOF without the stuff he alledgedly took. In that regard, it makes his story more pitiful than most because for Barry, it was all ego-driven. | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/21/2007 12:20:10 PM | a woman from day's end told me that more anabolic steroid sales go to the horseracing industry than anywhere else.
think about it: hundreds of horses run over hundreds of tracks every day. if a trainer NEVER gives his animals steroids, it makes headlines. either that or his horses finish last.
several states have recently passed laws to outlaw steroid use 30 days prior to racing. if ntra passed laws like this across the board, i think we'd see longer careers and fewer injuries.
horses used to run on bute. i don't think they allow that anymore. they still use lasix and some horses bleed through that.
it will be interesting to see what happens when horses run without drugs. | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/21/2007 12:41:13 PM | ^^^If you spotted a first time lasix horse on the program it was more often than not a good bet it would finish in the money. That's going back a few years though from my own viewpoint
I think eventually you'll see professional leagues and Olympic games etc. broken down into two leagues. The PED leagues and the natural leagues. Even Dick Pound the controversial figurehead behind WADA knows he's fighting a losing battle. | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/21/2007 3:51:26 PM | "I think eventually you'll see professional leagues and Olympic games etc. broken down into two leagues. The PED leagues and the natural leagues. "
That'll never happen. There already are natural Olympic Games....they're called "the Olympics". Bottom line is, who would compete in the "Juiced Olympics" other than those banned from the real Olympics? No one...because no one will ever admit to doing steroids freely.
Same goes with baseball, football, hockey, etc.
Can you honestly see people saying "Hey, the SFL (Steroid Football League) starts next year...I'm gonna sign up, because, even though I'm making great money in the NFL and I'm setting records for quarternack sacks, I'd much rather play against a level playing field, where everyone is as artificially developed as I am."
If they ever tried that, they would still have testing in the natural Olympics and people would still get caught...and others would still get away with it. | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/24/2007 7:42:28 PM | PEDs should be allowed.. Just taking something won't help unless they put in the hours training. It just helps them to recover faster. All athletes are taking something even if it is some cups of coffee before an event to get a caffeine rush .. It is still enhancing their performance..
So it is just splitting hairs saying this select group of stimulants are bad but this other group is fine | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/24/2007 8:19:42 PM | ^^^
Yep...caffeine is the original gateway drug.
There are quite a number of minor associations (soccer, hockey, etc) that are banning the likes of Red Bull and Rock Star for team players, at least in locker rooms and buses etc. Good on 'em. It's a start. | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/25/2007 5:02:25 PM | | Baseball is indeed a whipping boy for the steriods scandal, but it's also hypocritical for baseball and the commissioner to be the enforcer of the steriods policy when they most likely knew about steriod use since the early 90's when it became so rampant. Yet they had a blind eye about this for a long time until congress stepped in and turned up the heat. It's happening in every sport and it's a sad reality because not only are these athletes destroying their bodies but they are giving themselves an unfair advantage when competing against the honest ones. HGH or steriods it doesn't matter because their use is cheating in my eyes. | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/28/2007 12:40:35 PM | "destroying their bodies"
I sure hope you dont believe that 'steroids are bad for you' as a blanket statement, you ABSOLUTELY can IMPROVE your health with the use of AAS, IF you genuinely know what you are doing. That's a big IF.
With the advent of the internet, and all of it's BS information made available to people the world over, it is easy to make 'mistakes' that can harm your health when using steroids, however only a few that I can name could be considered 'dangerous'... oxymetholone, fluoxymesterone, methandrostenolone, and methyltestosterone.
More muscle and less fat... doesn't sound like destroying your body to me. Any of the known side effects can be overcome:
ACNE- accutane and good hygiene measures
LIVER TOXICITY- avoid oral form steroids such as anadrol, dianabol and halotestin
ROID RAGE- well, it doesnt really exist. It is a nice excuse that immature people use when they can't control their temper. If you feel more aggressive when 'on cycle', use less androgenic drugs like methenolone, nandrolone and boldenone.
BALDING- avoid strongly androgenic drugs and those that convert to strong(er) androgens via the 5-a reductase enzyme.
BREAST GROWTH- use anti-estrogens like nolvadex and arimidex
SHRUNK NUTS- well, you have to live with that while on cycle, and hit the hCG hard after the cycle to start them working again.
PRIAPISM- use less androgenic drugs.
hope that clears the air a bit...
as far as baseball is concerned, why not have the sport 'split tested' as per several powerlifting federations, a tested division and a non tested division. One failure in the tested boots you over to the non tested division for life, or better yet gets you a lifetime suspension. That way, the juicers can juice, and those who choose not to can still have their level playing field. | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/29/2007 11:06:28 AM | i am comfortable saying steroids are bad for you as a blanket statement. you stated that any of the known side effects can be over come. that is ridiculous, heart attacks and blood clots. KNOWN side effects physical and mental. we do not know all the ramifications that these drugs have. all the users are the guinea pigs. we learn through tragedy and that is what has, is and will be happening for the near future until it is further regulated. good luck at your next competition, at least there is a even playing field so you dont feel cheated. thank you for the lesson on PEDs it was very insightful, though not in the direction you intended.
i guess i am a purist. i am content with what i was born with. the only way i believe i can change that is through natural means. i am comfortable with who i am and people using these PEDs need to be also. as for baseball having a split test system i could not imagine a more disgraceful reality. | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/29/2007 11:51:46 AM | | Part of 'really knowing what you are doing' is getting regular bloodwork done! It has also been proven that methenolone (brand name Primobolan) DOES improve your 'good' to 'bad' cholesterol ratio. Books such as "Anabolics 2007" by William Llewellyn contain such information. | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/29/2007 3:21:05 PM | "ROID RAGE- well, it doesnt really exist. It is a nice excuse that immature people use when they can't control their temper."
Yeah right...and there's no such thing as PMS or pregnancy rage either. Roid rage is a mental reaction to the physical alteration of a body's hormones...exactly like PMS or the temper flare-ups that come with pregnancy. Of course the latter examples come from natural sources, but the result is the same. Scientists have proven that in many cases, the human brain cannot deal with hormonal alterations, and when such alterations occur, things like roid rage and PMS are the result.
It has nothing whasoever to do with "immaturity".
It's sad that your solutions for the side effects of steroids (at least the side effectsa you choose to acknowledge) involve, for the most part, taking other drugs. Now, what about the side effects of the drugs you are taking to curb the side effects of steroids?
Accutane, for instance, has a list of side effects as long as my arm, including:
Depression, crying spells, sleeping problems (both insomnia and narcolepsy), AGGRESSION, severe diarrhea, seizures and suicidal tendancies.
Novadex and Arimidex are drugs used primarily for breast cancer patients and the side effects of such (other than increased brittleness in the bones /onset of osteoporosis) are obviously more prevalent to female users. But then again, if you're a female body building juice monkey, you've likely already taken steps to alter your menstral cycle anyway so further damage to that won't be so severe for you. After all, you wouldn't consider actually having children after prolonged steroid use would you ... considering the likelihood of birth defects.
Hope that clears the air a bit | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/30/2007 11:36:34 AM | | if barry actually took steroids then he knows without a doubt that he could not have done it with out them. the answer is not maybe. the answer is i am a cheater and i needed an advantage against honorable athletes because i am either too greedy or physically inferior. i hope the cheaters will be exposed and if not that at least they live with the guilt and shame of their actions til the day they die | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/30/2007 6:43:44 PM | @ flthy
.....absolutely not!.........the goal of Lasik surgery is to bring a person's vision back to 20/20 which is the physiologic norm!.........everybody has a right to have an organ working at the physiologic norm!.........the effects of steroids supersedes the physiologic norm!....thus , if i do 50 push-up while on steroids, i'm gonna do them quicker, better, and recover faster than some-one who is not juicing.
...if you can't understand how steroids give an unfair edge (compared to those not juicing) then i dunno what to say to you! | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/30/2007 7:58:51 PM | ^
if the technology is avaiable why not use it
....if you are talking about steroids then fine!.....but lets let the fans in on it and lets disclose it to them as to who is juicing and who isn't.........then we'll let the fans make the final decision as to what they wanna do when the season starts!
how about using a cadavers ligament? is that ok? its the same thing.
...again it all boils down to :....what the ultimate goal of doing this would be!...is to restore my physiologic function to normal or is to enhance it beyond what i was able to do?....obviously if somebody receives a cadaver ligament, it will be implanted in place of the natural ligament that is no longer working right?.....in which case you are restoring his normal physiologic function (or at least you hope that is what will occur)....so the injured player will be able to perform at his original baseline capability! | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/30/2007 8:49:53 PM | | is the breakdown of the ligament in question natural? i would say yes. so does doing something unatural like surgery make you a cheater? you keep talking about physiological function but in that regard are all athletes equal? of course not. maybe a player had an unfair advantage in trainging facilities, coaching or general guidance. let them take whatever they want. | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/30/2007 9:08:09 PM | The only proven link between AAS and birth defects is if the MOTHER is 'on'. There has never been ANY proof of birth defects occurring due to the father being on.
I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you, cheap!... I can throw in the Golden Gates bridge free cause I like you. | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/30/2007 10:06:20 PM | at filthy
is the breakdown of the ligament in question natural? i would say yes. so does doing something unatural like surgery make you a cheater?
....you keep missing the whole point!.....issue is not so much by what method that you try to repair the injury, sometimes you need surgery and sometimes not!.....the real issue is what your end-point is !........A)do you want to restore the usual function of that limb or B) are you trying to enhance the function of that limb(s) well beyond what it was like before the injury?
you keep talking about physiological function but in that regard are all athletes equal? of course not.
...you are right they are not.......but the goal of all treatments is to hopefully restore the physiologic function of the injured part back to what it was!......whether or not a player's normal physiologic function is good enuff to stay in the line up is a whole other matter!....and if a player takes a substance to 'supercharge' his physiologic function without it being legal or authorized then he is cheating!
maybe a player had an unfair advantage in trainging facilities, coaching or general guidance.
...its not an unfair advantage if a team hires a better trainer than his competitors do, so that he can get the most out of a player's natural ability!..........its like if we buy the same kind of car and i put schitty gas/oil in mine (to save money) but you put in good gas and as a result you get better performance.......its not because you have a superior car but its because you put better ingredients into it to make it run at its finest....there is nothing unfair about that!
let them take whatever they want.
.....i have no problem with players using whatever they want, BUT it has to be disclosed to the paying public!!!!!!!.......if i go watch a ball game, i wanna know if the guy who hits the most homers (or the guy who runs the most yards) is juicing or not......because if he is, then he has 'supercharged' his physiologic ability well beyond what is "natural" for him!
....then i can make the decision on whether i wanna pay money to watch this kind of event or not!....thats all i ask! | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/31/2007 11:54:28 AM | | What if you break your arm while training and they have to put in a plate to repair it.. It is now stronger than before is that an enhancement ?? Where do you draw the line ?? A metal plate, a cup of coffee ( which appears to be an accepted drug), cold medicine stimulant, steroids which help you recover faster (they don't make you stronger you still have to put in the time training to get any benefit).. Blood transfusion of your own blood taken from you at a lower altitude. If you allow a caffeine buzz or a sugar high from some candy (and you would have to) then it should all be allowed. It is just the Media hyping it up again | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/31/2007 12:26:52 PM | "The only proven link between AAS and birth defects is if the MOTHER is 'on'. There has never been ANY proof of birth defects occurring due to the father being on."
Try reading my posting before you respond and make yourself sillier than you already do fo supporting roid use.
Here, let me help you out. My posting says ..."if you're a FEMALE body building juice monkey, you've likely already taken steps to alter your menstral cycle anyway so further damage to that won't be so severe for you...."
Apparently there's another side-effect we haven't yet touched on - eyesight.
As for your comment "I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you, cheap!"....I'm sure you do....you likely bought it from the guy who sold you on the myth that steroids aren't bad for you  | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 1/1/2008 1:15:58 PM |
All athletes are taking something even if it is some cups of coffee before an event to get a caffeine rush .. It is still enhancing their performance..
An athlete in international competition can be busted for excessive amounts of caffeine. | |
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