| WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH COUNTRY MUSIC?
Posted: 3/3/2007 6:02:24 PM | DONT GET IT WHY ALL THE DISRESPECT TO YOUR OWN COUNTRYS HOMEGROWN MUSIC..
CHECK OUT BILL MONROES "BODY AND SOUL"(SPOOKY)GOOD SPOOKY.
...HE STATES OPENLY THAT IT WAS BLUES THAT GAVE HIM HIS INSPIRATION...AND YOU CAN HEAR IT IN HIS MUSIC...IT KICKS MAN...
YEAH THERES SOME THATS A BIT SUGARY...BUT GIVE IT A CHANCE..
.GEORGE JONES...WHO ELSE CAN DO THAT WITH THEIR VOICE?
THE LAST WILLIE NELSON CD "COUNTRYMAN"..HE WORKED WITH THE CREAM OF KINGSTON JAMAICAN MUSICIANS AND TURNED OUT A GREAT FUSION OF REGGAE+COUNTRY...THEYRE BOTH TOTALLY COMPATIBLE... | |
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| WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH COUNTRY MUSIC?
Posted: 3/7/2007 10:35:53 PM | my parents were born in the 1920's so their music was real old country.. and i grew up on it
didnt even hear rock until i decided to change the radio station at age 7, after that i went from watching Dolly Parton's Butterfly to ****Clark's American Bandstand 
today's country? .. (shrugs shoulders) just another song | |
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| WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH COUNTRY MUSIC?
Posted: 3/8/2007 12:33:11 AM |
my parents were born in the 1920's so their music was real old country.. and i grew up on it
There you have it...you were dang lucky!
I have been teaching fiddle to some students and bluegrass and country specifically lately so we cover the origins of country style fiddling...this takes us from old-time music to the roots of country.
One of the musicians to represent this tradition was Charlie Poole. I was listening to him do "Frankie and Johnny" from 1929...probably 30 years before Johnny Cash would record his version...virtually unchanged but very sparse and with a driving rhythm.
The songs were about drinkin', workin', lovin', fightin' and when you depart from that and start to overproduce it, it starts to sound like pop music...case in point, just about anything by Shania Twain/Mutt Lange...and a lot of other Nashville crap from people more pretty, less talented and propped up by ProTools.
My personal pet peeve...country musicians from Canada who affect a Nashville drawl when they sing. KNOCK THAT THE HELL OFF! As the Cajun/Zydeco musician Clifton Chenier said, "Be what you is...if you old and ugly, be old and ugly but be what you is."
There's nothing wrong with original stories but country music is about country people and is essentially "story songs" about good times and bad times...it can be electrified but if it doesn't have some country instrumentation of some kind, be it fiddle, banjo, dobro, steel guitar, harmonica or a honky-tonk piano...well then it just ain't country...I reckon. | |
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| WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH COUNTRY MUSIC?
Posted: 3/8/2007 6:15:04 PM | I love country music (it was my first love), but the country nowadays is kind of garbage. It's more about drinking, partying, slutty females (well, they look like it in the stupid videos), and people that lost their freakin' mind. I listen very little of it these days.
I'm more into Southern rock and Classic rock now. More happier and great to dance to. | |
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| WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH COUNTRY MUSIC?
Posted: 3/8/2007 10:46:08 PM | Hi,
First off I have to say that 'most' country still curdles my blood, but it has elements of the blues that can make it pretty damn good. Great videos too ;p One major plus for it is that you really can't fake it, unlike some other musical styles. At least for the most part, bonafide musicians play country. I'm not opposed to anything that's done well, especially live. Listen to some bluegrass some time. Now that's some heavy pickin'! Hey, if it floats your boat...listen to it!
While most of my musical tastes couldn't be categorized as country, some of the stuff that I'm really impressed with lately hovers dangerously close to it lol. Robert Randolph, Gov't mule, Chuck Prophet, John Butler trio etc...are on that list. While I've said in the past that lap steel kills me a little more every time I hear it, Every song with it by Neil Young repairs all previous damage:)
Any band with a southern rock feel to it, or any folk related music as well, have a lot the same foundations as country... more or less.(blues!) They just trimmed off the soul killing fingernails on chalk elements of the old twangy crap and made it all good.
Music is music, and we've all got our own tastes. so to answer the question of what's wrong....
The problem may not necessarily lie in "Country" music... it's the music business. The stuff that gets to mass marketing may not be truly the best music. It's what the music business' demographics say will make them the most money. The best stuff still lies in small live venues, indie hours on the radio, jam spots and the internet.
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| WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH COUNTRY MUSIC?
Posted: 3/8/2007 10:52:47 PM | One more thing,
With regards to the "old twangy crap"
Some of the greatest music ever written(Ray Charles, Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, any Neil Young related project etc...) was steeped in country tradition.... No arguments there! :) Just some of it simply disagrees with me on the molecular level.... | |
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| WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH COUNTRY MUSIC?
Posted: 3/9/2007 4:41:20 AM | You want country look no farther than the Lonestar State, we have our own chart and type of music. I would say its traditonal country mixed with heavy rock and a little blue grass..with differant types..now days more country is upbeat than depressing (even from nashville) country music has a way of saying things in a way and touching the soul that no other type of music can. I love old school, Hank Williams, HW Jr., Johnny Paycheck, the good ones..but if want a new brand of country that hates Nashville as much as most people that dont like country music check out these groups..straight from Texas
Cross Canadian Ragweed
Jason Boland and The Stragglers
Stoney LaRue
Aaron Watson
Brandon Rhyder
Charlie Robison
Cory Morrow
Jack Ingram
Pat Green
The Randy Rogers Band
The Great Divide
No Justice
The Eli Young Band
the list goes on..its country music with a new feel | |
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| WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH COUNTRY MUSIC?
Posted: 3/9/2007 9:53:36 AM | umm... lessee what names i remember from the old floor model record playing stereo with a built in 8 track;
dolly parton
george jones
chet akins
roy acuff
jimmy rogers
marty robbins
boxcar willie
gene autry
bill monroe
the stanley brothers
kenny rogers
waylon jennings
jim reeves
pasty cline
tammy wynette
lynn anderson
kitty wells
loretta lynn
merle haggard
buck owens
anyone remember those names ? | |
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Posted: 3/10/2007 12:58:22 AM | | I remember the classics, I grew up with them too, my mom was in love with Conway and Freddie Fender, but I must say I love the new music too, Rascal Flatts, Toby Keith, Trace Adkins. Has anyone heard the new song Moments by Emerson Drive, OMG great song and video, give it a listen | |
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| WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH COUNTRY MUSIC?
Posted: 3/10/2007 7:49:09 PM | Has anyone heard the new song Moments by Emerson Drive, OMG great song and video, give it a listen
I hate to come off as negative...I know how being a "hater" rankles some people (LOL) but I gots to tell it like it is and say that this band, while maybe starting with good intentions, is now part of the problem with country music...overwhelmed by the Nashvile (spelling intentional) production machine, they now produce the same pop dreck that anyone could produce...
Cardboard cutout, content free, crap. Any monkey could do it...they have been for decades on Tin Pan Alley. You put it in a box and sell it and people will buy it. The death knell for me was when they changed their name from 12 Gauge, a perfectly fine country sounding name, to Emerson Drive...a name that is bland and had cache to only one member of the band who is no longer with them...and that change purely as a knee-jerk reaction to the Columbine shooting...or so the urban legend goes.
In any case, the sound is about as country as pop. Change the arrangements a touch and it could be power pop. What is so country about this music???
That's why I have such an attachment to the twang that some people find distasteful...the essential unmarketable nature of true "country" music that is not "cross" marketable music...that smells like hay, fenceposts and horse-shit.
And that is what is so irritating to me about music like Emerson Drive is that is so generic. A slight re-arrangement of the music and WHAM! or A-Ha! could do it. There may be the odd stand out...but few and far between...
Stuff like this...music that is afraid of what people will say...that's what's wrong with country music. Man I do miss people like Charlie Poole who would lip off his audience, bash a banjo over a cop's head, and be a legend in his own time for playing what he wanted to play and to hell with the market place and still be famous...original outlaw country! Not prepackaged wussy, pretty boy Nashville country...Give me Grandpa Jones, Uncle Dave Macon, Loretta Lynn, Dolly, Hank Sr. and Jr, Johnny Cash, Waylon and Willie, and Don Williams, Goerge Jones, Merle Haggard (amen to anyone on Whitetigress' list) and from the new batch even someone like Gretchen Wilson before an act like Emerson Drive...
That stuff is, IMHO, the weak pablum of country music...
Keep in mind, all of the above is all my opinion and in no way intended as a personal slag or attack, nor was it intended as such, nor as an assault on the taste of any poster...just on "Nash-vile" and it's pop-country-production machine.
Brought to you by the Committee for Songs about Drinkin' Fightin' Fornicatin...maybe Fishin... | |
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| WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH COUNTRY MUSIC?
Posted: 3/10/2007 8:38:55 PM | | I guess thats whats so nice about the forums we can disagree because themadfiddler I so disagree. lighten up a little its music supposed to make you feel good. | |
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| WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH COUNTRY MUSIC?
Posted: 3/10/2007 10:58:17 PM |
I guess thats whats so nice about the forums we can disagree because themadfiddler I so disagree. lighten up a little its music supposed to make you feel good.
Yup. Ain't nuthin' wrong with that I suppose, and even if we disagree I'll still ask you for the pleasure of the next two step  | |
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| WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH COUNTRY MUSIC?
Posted: 3/10/2007 11:32:38 PM | | I dont like it because it sounds too much like church music and the outlaw type songs suck too. Im just not into the whole cowboy, farmer, type thing. I grew up in major citys in urban areas. I cant relate to the music. | |
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| WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH COUNTRY MUSIC?
Posted: 3/22/2007 2:42:04 PM | I like the country music sound a lot, in general.
Some of the lyrics I like a lot and tell a neat story.
I have lived in the country all my life, so I can relate to
country-ish stories.
In general, I like about every other song on the radio,
so I am constantly turning it off and on if I am driving.
Or constantly changing the station if at home and
playing my clarinet to the music. | |
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Posted: 3/22/2007 3:23:02 PM | | Rock and Metal will never die. Sometimes it takes a slight breather to recharge it's batteries and there has to be something to try and fill in the void but nothing can including new country. | |
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| WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH COUNTRY MUSIC?
Posted: 3/23/2007 7:22:35 PM | | I never really liked country until my boyfriend who is now my ex got me into it, and now ever since he became my ex I listen to heartbroken country songs, or hate songs, whichever, lol.. | |
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M2k7
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Joined: 1/18/2007
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| WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH COUNTRY MUSIC?
Posted: 3/25/2007 5:57:25 PM | | There is nothing wrong with Country Music, it's just that there is reputation of people who listen to country music being loud, hillbilly, two-stepping, cowboy boot wearing types. So they say that it's not the music they listen to because they don't want to be guilty by association. The thing is people are so concerned what other people think, that they can never learn to enjoy their lives and like what they like. - Life is not a popularity contest. | |
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Posted: 3/30/2007 5:35:44 PM |
The problem with country music is that Nashville SNUBs the originators. They totally lost touch with the roots of Country and dont even play the old folks that release new material, like Loretta Lyn and Johnny Cash, Tom T Hall etc....
I dont mind Country, I like all music, but I think Nashville is all about Business. Plus, a lot of the stuff on modern country radio sounds like pop or hip hop with a pedal steel guitar. Goofy
Gimmie some Old Hank or that outlaw stuff.
Now, there are some great stories in Country and some fantastic musicians.
Oh yeah, How about the Grammys, Loretta Lynn and the soundtrack from Oh Brother Where Art Thou. Not even mentioned in the Country Music Awards.
YEAH! YEEEE-HAAAAW! Gimme the old timey grass roots stuff anyday or at least modern day stuff with some grit! George Jones! Hank! Dixie Chicks! Willie! Emmy Lou! Yeah!
~Boots~  | |
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| WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH COUNTRY MUSIC?
Posted: 4/1/2007 8:35:58 AM | | how does hank III say it?......pop country really sucks!....gimme the older sounding stuff anyday. Country radio plays the same cookie cutter stuff over and over again. no originality at all | |
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Posted: 4/6/2007 1:30:29 AM | It's just been a thing of preference to me. Country music just has a combination of things that I personally don't like. I don't like the guitars they use, I don't like fiddles, I don't like that style of vocals, the drums are much tamer than what I like, and I don't like how the choruses of many country songs have to seem more like a slogan than anything now.
I mean, there's some stuff I definitely respect (Johnny Cash, especially), but it's just not my thing in general. | |
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Posted: 4/6/2007 7:01:54 AM | Country music right now is institutionalized like most pop. Record execs have an established idea of what sells, so every act coming out of Nashville essentially sounds the same, and the sound is kind of blended with other pop elements like rock and R&B anymore.
If you recall in the 50s and 60s the "Nashville Sound" was big - overblown instrumentation and string arrangements accompanying crooners like Jim Reeves (although, I do like Jim Reeves). Rebelling against the Nashville Sound was the "Bakersfield Sound" (Merle Haggard) and outlaw country like Jennings, Nelson and Cash. I would argue they broke up the established sound, fixed country music for a couple years, but pretty soon everything started sounding the same again. I'm afraid its cyclical. At some point some enterprising country musicians will break up the scene and restore some originality and rootsy-sound to the genre. | |
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MsChar
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Joined: 10/4/2005
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| WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH COUNTRY MUSIC?
Posted: 4/6/2007 12:46:00 PM | howdy all , i saw the beatles live in toronto when i was a teen ager but i grew up a country music fan .. i saw johnny cash live in 1970 and the dixie chicks in 2006 so that tells you ive seen country music grow. all you have to do is try and get a ticket to the top name concert... faith n tim , kenny chesney or toby keith to see how hot country is! and look at canada's country stars , paul brandt , terry clarke , carolyn dawn johnson ,doc walker and the road hammers.
so to those who think country is pickup trucks , mama and prison .. have a listen !
country fans are the best !!
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MsChar
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| WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH COUNTRY MUSIC?
Posted: 4/8/2007 9:08:45 PM | hmmmm twang !!! listen to a new song by johnny reed called love sweet love . it has a horn section in it and he's from australia so not much "twang" !
charla | |
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| WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH COUNTRY MUSIC?
Posted: 4/8/2007 11:04:28 PM | I think the main thing that’s wrong with country music right now is that it’s lost its identity. And please, I’m not making any value judgments about the music or its fans. It’s still as popular now with its fans as it ever has been. But because of its popularity, it’s being swamped with crossovers from all the unemployed rock, jazz and blue musicians and it’s being diluted. Time and time again, when I turn on a country station I can hear riffs and styles coming through from the other genres of music. It’s so easy to hear which musicians in the band come from rock backgrounds. And because of this, it’s diluted the music down so it’s lost its country identity.
And that’s what I think is wrong with country music. I just ain’t country no more. It’s something else – more like a mixture of everything.
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