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| Beggars
Posted: 12/21/2007 1:34:43 PM | why has no body else come up with this idea?
Surely that was one of Thatcher's back in the eighties?
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Posted: 12/21/2007 1:58:16 PM | I used 2 love the old dude that played the xlophone in notts city centre, that guy was a legend.
Ah, Frank Robinson. Yup he was a legend, mostly for the fact that he couldn't play for shit, heh.
The black guy who thinks he's Muddy Waters is pretty naff as well, but he can hold a reasonable tune.
I suppose it's hard to put any real effort into it under those "conditions" though...
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| Beggars
Posted: 12/21/2007 2:09:50 PM | I agree there are profesional beggars and there are genuine beggars. Once they are out on the street they are all beggars to me.
They all need to get a job like the rest of us.
MMeggs.. Msg 8
But take the piss out of someone who is begging -Never . And anyone that does ought to feel ashamed of themselves And MMeggs ... Msg 20 What do people think of beggars with dogs .Not sure what to think myself .
Are they a genuine animal lover who although on the streets look after their pet perfectly well .Or are they using the animal to coerce people into giving them money . Please make your mind up about beggars. For or against or whichever suits you? Thank you all for your replies.  | |
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| Beggars
Posted: 12/21/2007 2:52:44 PM | I would have to concur that they need to get a job, but to do that you need an address..which many do not have, even in stratford we have the arches where they sleep..
So I am against, although I do have the empathy to understand their situation, and would never take the pi55..
There but for the grace of god go us all..
Never forget that, as no-one knows what their future holds | |
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Posted: 12/21/2007 3:09:12 PM | I totally agree with a few posters here and why would you take the P*ss out of homeless people when it is so much easier to take the p*ss out of forum posters instead..
especially that big nose **stard... | |
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| Beggars
Posted: 12/22/2007 10:35:15 AM | I ignore them, ever since, at the tender age of 16, one asked me for a light. I said "Sorry, I don't smoke" and he spat on me!
Once spat on, twice shy................. | |
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| Beggars - love them or hate them?
Posted: 12/22/2007 1:20:33 PM | Depends how they're cooked. Mrs Lovett seemed to have a good recipe though I 'ere.
Once in Toronto in McDonalds one spat on my 3 yr old daughtr for no apparant reason. Now I've never been in a fight in my life. But the good thing about beggers is you can throw them in front of a car and nobody really cares.
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Posted: 12/22/2007 1:22:54 PM | Hey fierce fish .
I love you and want to have your children
By heck girl you love to dissect answers don't you .
listen here Missy ,I was questioning the reason behind why lots of beggars own dogs not slagging them off .Telling someone to go and get a job is rather rude dont you think ?? | |
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Posted: 12/22/2007 1:45:37 PM | "get a job" It's great to know that care in the community really works. An earlier post had it right.. "But for the grace of god go I" You have no idea what circumstances put that person there on the street. Just because a person looks physically well, they are fit enough to get a job? There may be all sorts of reasons that person isn't working. Since that lovely warm hearted lady closed the wards in the eighties (care in the community) there was a huge increase in the homeless population. Yet you see a person for a few seconds and make your judgement. You might as well have spat on him or worse. Some people need help and it makes you a better person for giving it freely without judgement. Or at least that's how I understood the message that a certain person whose birthday it will be soon, was preaching.
But in answer to the query, yes I give to beggars and do not love or hate them, pity them more like and hope I don't end up in the same dire straits. | |
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| Beggars
Posted: 12/22/2007 4:06:20 PM |
I gave some money once to a down and out who had a big sign saying Falklands war
veteran next to him but only realized he was Argentinian when he said muchas gracias.
Since then I only give money to gulf war veterans now but check there not Iraqi ones first.
You ever fought for your country pal. I have, I would give money unreservedly to a soldier from the other side of any of those conflicts. Its not his bloody fault he was on the wrong side. He was doing his duty just like I did mine! | |
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| Beggars
Posted: 12/22/2007 7:25:50 PM |
Where i come from we have so many beggars on the street, a bit like rats
He is a rat fierce fish, he is my ex and i told him to beg so that he can pay me the CSA money that is due.
He took my money and told me to p-off. I took that as a way of him to say 'thank you'
I told him to do this, so he would gain his fame on here and get more money for our love child, lol
Only jokin by the way, have fun and be happy everyone, even a beggar deserves a break now and again. x x x | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 1:16:59 AM | | Yes I would give money to the homeless, because I have been there and know what its like, I think the people who are taking the piss out of them on here should be ashamed of themselves, one day it might be you on the streets desperate for money, having lost everything and having no one, a smile and a couple of quid from a passer by can make a hell of a lot of difference. | |
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| Beggars
Posted: 12/23/2007 1:28:36 AM |
If someone looks like they are an addict, then I don't give as I feel I'm enabling them in doing so.
Here here , Lily totally agree !! People forget that every bit of loose change they give them keeps them "Out there" longer !! They need to suffer as a consequence of their actions !! People that give dont realise that they are "Stopping" them from reaching their "rock bottom" which is where they need to be ,to be able to become well again!!
IMO Say NO with a smile .......thats when your really showing you care !!
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| Beggars
Posted: 12/23/2007 1:49:22 AM | What does an addict look like? Just the same as a homeless person not addicted. You make these judgements. "Say no with a smile" etc "don't give them money it just encourages them" Why not just be honest " I'm a selfish twat and I don't like beggars better that they starve then me get my habd in my pocket" You sit there trying to justify to yourself why you are selfish. It's twofaced. But having said all that it is xmas.
All the best to one and all and may you all get all that you deserve  | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 1:50:46 AM | msg39^^^^^^ Well said that man. You know peeps we all have our own feelings and we are all entitled to our opinions again, its christmas, lets enjoy what we have while we have it.
I got slammed in a similar post to this recently but I will stand by what I said. Just my opinion after all.
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| Beggars
Posted: 12/23/2007 2:07:42 AM | I used to give to beggars. It's only money. Not so much now because I haven't noticed so many in town, there could have been a crack down. I do not like the big cities though. In Manchester it is pretty bad. It's like a gauntlet sometimes. I think you know the legit ones befause they sell the b'I'shuuuu' don't they? Apart from the one who sold his 'last' one to a mate and then gave a story of how he couldn't keep 'begging' without it, so my mate said, 'sure I'll give it back, just give me back my pound', and he did.:D I feel sympathetic on the first beggar, but by the time you've walked the street and the 5th has asked/begged/mithered for money, I admit, my sympathies tend to evaporate quickly, and it turns to irritation.
I also gave someone money for a 'bus ride' in China town in Manc, I had to wait on the sq for an extra long time and the person actually walked around the sq and asked for more money, I don't know if they knew they had asked me once before of if they thought I was an easy mark, but I quickly lost my patience and told them to get lost.
So in conclusion...a little from column A, and a lil from column B...but I am tending to not want to give anymore after reading this thread!! | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 2:13:44 AM | Lily, i loved your post. Really made me smile and think "she is lovely that lass" 
I buy the big issue. I give a quid to a beggar, although we dont see many in our town i must admit.
A few years ago, when we were visiting my mum and dad in weymouth, my son and i walked past a homeless lad who was sitting in a doorway with his dog. He wasnt begging, just sitting there. We walked past and my son begged me to do something, i tried to explain that there was nothing i could do and he implored me, said the boy looked hungry and his dog looked sad and fed up (as kids do). We popped into a shop and got a couple of packets of biscuits. My boy ran back with me trying to catch up and he said to the boy "here are some biscuits, there is one packet for you and one packet for your dog". The lad was happy, he said he was really grateful someone had thought of his dog and bought them something to eat.
What is a couple of quid to make someone happy?
As a couple of posters said before "there but for the grace of God go I"
If someone else doesnt want to give to a homeless person, that is up to them, i respect that. What i dont respect is the point of view that they are all winos or junkies.
Some of them are yeah, but not all. And i tell you something, if i were living on the streets and needed something to numb the pain and desperation i know i would have a beer or 2 if it helped.
Merry Christmas... | |
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| Beggars
Posted: 12/23/2007 2:28:02 AM |
What i dont respect is the point of view that they are all winos or junkies.
Totally agree , as another poster has pointed out many have mental health issues and some could be fooked up war vets, etc etc !!
And i tell you something, if i were living on the streets and needed something to numb the pain and desperation i know i would have a beer or 2 if it helped.
One or two beers could be fatal to an "alcoholic" though and could kill them...........thats the difference !! I operate "tough love " everytime !!
What does an addict look like? Just the same as a homeless person not addicted
Offer them food instead of money and you will tell the difference !!
My thoughts to all those out there still suffering especially at this time of year !!
"there but for the grace of God go I"
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Posted: 12/23/2007 2:46:55 AM | I have said this before, I have been there, and I was thousands of miles from home, disabled and 60 years of age. Did I get sypathy? No ! not even on the forums I got slammed. I got off my ass, with no help got myself home, got a place to live sorted my self out and got on with my life. "IT Can Be Done" there will always be exceptions but those few can be taken care of by the authority and places there are for them, as long as the abusers stay out there will be places.
I am now comfortable thanks have my home everything paid for have a car mobilty scooter friends my little dog and to be honest need nothing . I will add there will always be room for more friends, so please pop in for a drink, "just dont ask " lol
When I fell ( more likely pushed) I lost everything, that was down to a woman(my ex) but I do not blame or hate all women, I think they are great couldnt live without them.
Gotta go have to go blow my trumpet in the Town Hall Square
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Posted: 12/23/2007 2:48:37 AM | ^^ Mac, my point about the drink was that i can understand why some homeless people like to get drunk! Why some do drink. Not saying its ok and certainly not advocating buying them a bottle of scotch or anything like that.
I was illustrating how i can understand the despair.
EDIT That was for macforty. Not lovejoy. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 2:53:00 AM | I have said this before, I have been there, and I was thousands of miles from home,
Experience wins everytime for me !!!!
For those that fight for it life has a flavour the sheltered will never know !!
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Posted: 12/23/2007 2:53:11 AM | 46^^^^^^ Now whos addressing the poster? Buying that drink can and most probably will keep the person on the street, it is an easy touch, I have seen it. Believe me there are a lot and I mean a lot that are not poor out there, it is their whish to be there. One can not tell by looking. That is what the abusers look for (a soft touch) they are proffessionals. It is fine with me if people want to give go ahead it is my wish not too.
EDIT I understand what you are saying, I believe that maybe Mac does too. | |
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| Beggars
Posted: 12/23/2007 3:28:36 AM | im sure there are genuine and not genuine beggars on the street. All that aside..it doesnt hurt me to give some spare change and a few seconds out of my day.
I dont know what the future holds and if giving someone a quid can help them..even if it is to get drugs or a beer..then so be it.
Lou
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| Beggars
Posted: 12/23/2007 3:33:26 AM | I don't give a penny to beggars, I don't see
why I should in this day and age. It's not like
we are living in the middle ages and there is
absolutely no help out there for them.
Tramps are a different matter, I think they
are very romantic people and I would love to
live a life where I had not a care in the world
apart from worrying about food and where to
sleep. Imagine how good it would be to be able
to be so free! | |
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