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Posted: 12/23/2007 4:05:06 AM | I never saw a homeless beggar before 1979. To be sure, true tramps, mainly men who walked one way through town and returned maybe once a year, generally broken hearted millionaires in my neck on the woods it turned out! Salut Blackberry Jack.
Maslows hierarchy of needs states shelter before water and food and these days although some beggars are freeloading to support a habit, many are people like you and me whose domestic life has gone awry, and their mental health is not so good.
There is a good video this xmas by the Hours called Homeless Naked Christmas. At Christmas, not being with family, I go out and give domestic ejects jumpers and things to keep warm.
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Posted: 12/23/2007 4:13:13 AM | OP. I dont think that was very nice of you to chuck him a pound and tell him to get a job, how do you know his personal situation, who are you to judge? I dont blame him for telling you to p off, i would too.
Iv worked with homeless people, many of them have been through hell and back, they come from all walks of life, all backgrounds, religions, race, etc there is no one immune to falling on hard times. I learnt a lot from working with these people.
OK there are many out there who are not genuine, those who claim to be destitute when all the time they have more money than i could ever dream of having in hidden away bank accounts, from drug dealing, from abusing the system which fails the genuine people out there. There are many rats out there, and not all of em live on the streets either if you know what im saying, some of them have nice homes in sought after areas, run business from home and take advantage of those who they see as a bit of a soft touch. You know the type, there everywhere, yup even here on this very board.
But there are many genuine cases who deserve help and yes i do give money to beggers as you call them, human beings not the rats as iv just mentioned in the last paragraph, there the real rats, the ones who abuse others, lie, cheat and sell drugs to innocent people and get them addicted just so they can make a living.
None of us know whats round the corner in life, how secure is your job, home, family? it could all be wiped away at any time leaving you on the streets, no home, no family nothing so please be careful before you judge a person by the way they look, where they live, how they live their lives, their history. You never know what life has in stall for you, who will help you out when the shit hits the fan? Who will judge you? tel you to get a job? Think about it. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 4:55:02 AM | | Most of the fcuking t@ssers are scounging immigrant scum.arrest them an send them back | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 5:05:59 AM | | Man magic,, there are alot of british homeless those are the ones im bothered about, our own,, look after our own is my motto, sometimes I think alot of our people are homeless because immigrants come into this country and take council housing/housing association homes which should be meant for our homeless! | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 5:17:36 AM | | but there again broken rainbow, the little dealings i have had with the homeless, one didnt want the hassle of living in a house ,another was running away from debt an mortgages an wanted to escape by living as a vagrant.Iam not knocking anyone.only the foreign scoungers coming over here for benefits but also begging,an stealing. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 5:18:32 AM |
Most of the fcuking t@ssers are scounging immigrant scum.arrest them an send them back
I vote to throw you back into the pond you crawled out of instead...we don't need need ignorant racist judgemental nasty ar$e wipes like you in this country.
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Posted: 12/23/2007 5:27:17 AM | I agree there are those who are just escaping from problems in their lifes and dont want homes, but there are also those who would like a place to live and cannot get one due to the reasons I said above.
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Posted: 12/23/2007 5:40:00 AM |
Most of the fcuking t@ssers are scounging immigrant scum.arrest them an send them back
the foreign scoungers coming over here for benefits but also begging,an stealing
Careful there as you may at some point need help from some "foreign scum" in capacity of a doctor/nurse for example.
What an ignorant statements.
Immigrants work twice as much as you probably do - but what would you know about it.... | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 5:43:02 AM | Nice to see a thread that's bursting with the joys of Christmas.
I am no longer surprised at the propensity of folk to take relentless pot shots at the most disadvantaged people in society be them homeless, single parents, immigrants ... ... ...
 
the little dealings i have had with the homeless, one didnt want the hassle of living in a house ,another was running away from debt an mortgages an wanted to escape by living as a vagrant.Iam not knocking anyone.only the foreign scoungers coming over here for benefits but also begging,an stealing.
Yes because foreign homeless people are so much more horrible and evil than British ones. I hope your ignorance and bigotry wins you many dates on here with like-minded women. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 5:45:31 AM |
Immigrants work twice as much as you probably do - but what would you know about it....
i will second that my mate is a chargehand and 6 months ago a immigrant started working at his place and he says that he is the best worker he has had, he does not question what he gets told to do, he does it straight away in a quick and correct fashion, he does not try take extra breaks and he is always polite and respectful, i would say it must be a bit of fresh air compared to the average british worker | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 6:07:12 AM | I gave a lot to charities last year. Usually through a Direct Debit donation. I use to give beggars something, even if it was a couple of quid or buying the Big Issue.
But in the new year, charity begins at home. I will still do events to raise funds like the Race For Life, and the 3 Peaks Challenge.
But giving my money away every month, I'm not doing it anymore, that includes to beggars on the street. Which especially this time of year, you don't always know who is genuine. Some scum make a living out of begging, then go home to their nice flats etc.
Which is a shame for the genuine ones.
I've been homeless myself, but luckily didn't end up on the streets.
Instead like this xmas I've given my old bedding/towels/clothes/shoes to St Anne's, which help the homeless. And gave stuff to a children's charity.
Also finished some training this month so I can volunteer to be on the phones for Child Line a couple of days over the xmas and new year period.
I would rather do stuff like the above, than give money directly when I don't know how much actually goes to them or the people in need. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 6:14:06 AM | Firstly mess 56= "lily" you bandy words round like racist, haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa dont you like people who arnt brain washed bleeding heart liberals, get a life this country is in a state cos of idiots like you an other left wing t@ssers with their PC crap ramming it down throats of the rest of us,
mess 58 grumpy oldwomen , no immigrants dont work twice as hard,maybe poncing benefits,an illegally bringing other scounging benefit spongers, i ll leave to your imagination about foreigners treating me. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 6:17:06 AM | Having spent sometime working with homeless people, in my experience they are unlikely to be the beggars referred to in this thread. Whilst I don't dispute they may ask people for 20p, or even for a fag; they are unlikely to be the ones strategically positioning themselves near cashpoints etc, wrapped up in blankets looking woeful.
But whatever your opinion may be about the homeless/beggars - while we are sat here on-line in our warm houses looking forward to the festivities of the next week, spare a moment for those whose days are filled with hopelessness.
As before - There by the grace of God go I!
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Posted: 12/23/2007 6:18:55 AM |
mess 58 grumpy oldwomen , no immigrants dont work twice as hard,maybe poncing benefits,an illegally bringing other scounging benefit spongers, i ll leave to your imagination about foreigners treating me.
So it is personal then?
Someone treated you not so very nice and you decide to have a go at all immigrants and calling them all "scum" etc?
I won't get any further into thisy type of "discussion" as this has been done to death on the Forums.
Merry Xmas to you - from an Immigrant who's taxes cover several giros of natives. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 6:31:08 AM |
Firstly mess 56= "lily" you bandy words round like racist, haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa dont you like people who arnt brain washed bleeding heart liberals, get a life this country is in a state cos of idiots like you an other left wing t@ssers with their PC crap ramming it down throats of the rest of us
I don't see how someone showing a modicum of humanity to fellow human beings as being the cause of this country 'being in a state'. I just pray to god thet you're never down on your luck and have to witness first-hand ignorant and unhelpful opinions such as your own.
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Posted: 12/23/2007 6:39:50 AM | There are loads of beggars in Cardiff and I can't stand them. They pester you for money by engaging you in a conversation about how they have to get somewhere by train but they don't have the money and then ask if you can spare a couple of quid. I know the old phrase "there but for the grace of god" and all that, but it really is annoying. As I was getting out of my car one day on the way to work, one of them even asked if I could lend him the train fare to Swansea as he'd come from there the night before and didn't have the money to get back. Why not? Didn't he think of buying a return ticket? If you'll excuse the pun, the cheeky beggar.
However, I have no problem with Big Issue sellers. They are at least trying to do something to get out of their rut and good luck to them | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 6:54:04 AM | immigrants dont work twice as hard
I'd agree with that wholeheartedly. In my experience, twice as hard is certainly nowhere near the mark.
I've worked with a lot of Turkish and Iranian people over the last 10 to 15 years and they have all been far more committed to what they do compared to their English counterparts, actively attempting to improve their lot rather than just moan about how bad it is.
maybe poncing benefits
Oh some do, I don't doubt it. But if they do, they learnt it from the masters of "poncing benefits" - the Brits.
i ll leave to your imagination about foreigners treating me.
I've certainly got an image of how I'd like to see "foreigners" treating you...
But I thought this thread was about beggars anyway, not immigrants...
EDIT: VVVV and they all had a better grasp of the English language than that as well... 
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Posted: 12/23/2007 6:54:13 AM | | Masochist= I find people pathetic who brand people who they never met as racist & bigots. am i ignorant an a bigot,why,iam not a bleeding heart liberal ?whos looking forward to all the rest of Europes scoungers coming over here wen more borders are let down under giving more vetos by this spineless crap goverment,where are all the prisons going to be built ,so we can feed them an clothe them maybe give them mobiles which we can pay for on our taxes.hip yeee,oh an send more children benefits home to non existant children. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 6:56:11 AM |
Masochist= I find people pathetic who brand people who they never met as racist & bigots
Man Magic - I find pathetic people who brand people they have never met as scum and benefit scroungers
pay for on our taxes
I am sorry to say but my taxes are probably few times as much as yours so at the end you will be benefiting from mine by getting some sort of a pension and not vice versa.
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Posted: 12/23/2007 7:05:38 AM | Masochist= I find people pathetic who brand people who they never met as racist & bigots.
I don't need to meet someone to be able to decipher and understand their musings on a message forum. Do you ever stop yourself and think that the newspapers who spoon feed you the opinions that you blindly cling on to may actually be manipulating you? Do you know what divide and rule means in terms of keeping people in their place in modern societies?
Perhaps you could spend the festive season actually thinking about what goes on around you instead of predictably jumping on the band-wagon of assuming that people who are struggling in this life are somehow the ones that are ripping you off and selling us all down the river. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 7:08:04 AM |
Perhaps you could spend the festive season actually thinking about what goes on around you instead of predictably jumping on the band-wagon of assuming that people who are struggling in this life are somehow the ones that are ripping you off.
I will only add... and perhaps you could also spend some time with a spelling dictionary and punctuation rules book as in your case Immigrants win this one over you too....
Bless your white cotton socks
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Posted: 12/23/2007 7:27:32 AM | Masochist,No iam not being manipulated,but i find the igmorance of the many pc bleeding heart liberal tw@ts on here quite scary that after 1o years of imcompetence of the labour party firstly letting in millions of immigrants an not knowing how many are here cos they wont chuck them out an you all think its acceptable filling this once great landwith trash from the rest of the eec.,even those that are ilegals,an you all want them here.WE ARE ONLY A ISLAND,JUST BECAUSE THE FRENCH AN GERMANS STILL HATE US.
secondly i look forward TO CHRISTMAS specially to the day UKIP/ or the BNP get in an sort out this countrys borders out,an the eviction of all the foreigners an illegal immigrants in the uk.& getting out of the EEC who WITH UNELECTED NO-MARK emps keep sh!tting on this country | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 7:33:35 AM | There was a programme I saw once, it was something about tracing the roots of people who were so damn 100% sure they were pure, white "English" - lots of them got quite a nasty surprise.
Man Magic - please take part if they ever run it again. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 7:34:35 AM | Masochist,No iam not being manipulated,but i find the igmorance of the many pc bleeding heart liberal tw@ts on here quite scary that after 1o years of imcompetence of the labour party firstly letting in millions of immigrants an not knowing how many are here cos they wont chuck them out an you all think its acceptable filling this once great landwith trash from the rest of the eec.,even those that are ilegals,an you all want them here.WE ARE ONLY A ISLAND,JUST BECAUSE THE FRENCH AN GERMANS STILL HATE US.
I've been to Berlin a couple of times this year and I can assure you the germans don't hate us so more ignorant conjecture there from you. And you describing people as 'trash' really shows you up for what you are as does this next gem:
secondly i look forward TO CHRISTMAS specially to the day UKIP/ or the BNP get in an sort out this countrys borders out,an the eviction of all the foreigners an illegal immigrants in the uk.& getting out of the EEC who WITH UNELECTED NO-MARK emps keep sh!tting on this country
So please don't bleat if people accidently mistake you for a racist, eh?
There was a programme I saw once, it was something about tracing the roots of people who were so damn 100% sure they were pure, white "English" - lots of them got quite a nasty surprise.
Yes, that retarded turdball Garry Bushell from the sun had to do an awful amount of back-peddling regarding his opinions when revealed that he had African heritage ! | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 7:42:18 AM | Yup, that was the one - can not remember what was it called though....
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