| Beggars
Posted: 12/23/2007 7:46:24 AM | | .....cant be choosers! | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 8:05:08 AM | | a friend of mine who is ill was getting much needed help from a charity when suddenly they took it away saying they hadnt got enough volunteers or funding, only a few weeks later she found out this charity had got a massive grant from the lottery to help immigrants and they had cut back on helping others from this country like the elderly, mentally ill, and physically disabled in favour of immigrants, theres something very wrong with that. I dont think we are being manipulated stuff is happening out there and some people just cannot see it. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 8:14:55 AM | I totally agree rainbow this goverment cant do enough for poncing immigrants but for us. the english they hate,probally got something to do with there counting on them to vote the scum in next time. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 8:29:41 AM | | I'm afraid I don't give to beggars... I know it is awful to say but I have far more important things to spend my money on and I do understand the 'There but for the grace of God' mentality... I don't actively avoid them, I just don't give them anything... | |
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Nergal
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| Beggars
Posted: 12/23/2007 8:54:33 AM | | Nottingham is about the worst place I have ever encountered beggars. like someone said its been cleaned up but it used to be awful. Really put me off big time. I dont object to buskers, at least they are doing something other than holding their hands out. I do a tad of voluntary work, I'm off down the Salvation Army on Christmas day to liven the place up. Some of the guys in there are genuinely needy and just on their uppers out of bad luck. A lot of them are simply drug addicts and alcoholics who will beg, lie, cheat and steal to fuel their addictions. They have no interest in getting cured and are in a vicious circle of their own making. I've little sympathy for those who wont help themselves. There used to be a guy out in Manchester, penny whistle and a dog, selling the big issue. Every night he drove back to a huge council house where his 5 kids lived in a recent model Merc. So I never give anything to those guys either. | |
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| Beggars
Posted: 12/23/2007 9:26:31 AM | Nottingham is about the worst place I have ever encountered beggars.
like someone said its been cleaned up but it used to be awful
Went into the town centre yesterday, they were hanging around all the car park machines, and the bloody organised clipboard beggers were out in force as well. Personally I think they are actually worse than the druggies - who will take no for an answer. The clipboarders just keep on trying to talk to you, it's damn hard to remain civil with them 
Every night he drove back to a huge council house where his 5 kids lived in a recent model Merc
Bit harsh, making the kids live in the car! | |
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| Beggars
Posted: 12/23/2007 2:02:57 PM | Santoki
I agree 100% with your points. Especially this one...
maybe poncing benefits
Oh some do, I don't doubt it. But if they do, they learnt it from the masters of "poncing benefits" - the Brits.
Immigrants do work twice as hard.
Selling the Big Issue is not classed as begging. It is selling, which is a job.
I now realise the errors of my ways... I should have sat down with the beggar to find out his mental or physical problems.. so that i could understand like a psychologist would.
But no, i am very sorry, to me a beggar is a beggar is a beggar.
Msg 72
i look forward TO CHRISTMAS specially to the day UKIP/ or the BNP get in an sort out this countrys borders out,an the eviction of all the foreigners an illegal immigrants in the uk.& getting out of the EEC who WITH UNELECTED NO-MARK emps keep sh!tting on this country
I am looking forward to Christmas too.
I'm wondering if the BNP would be up to the task of arranging a Christmas party as they are the only group of people in the UK to keep failing to get their 'piss up in a brewery' party off the ground at every chance they have. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 2:05:36 PM | But no, i am very sorry, to me a beggar is a beggar is a beggar.
he might be, but you cant get the buggers to choose choose choose!
I dont give to any of em, there are lots more deserving causes that you do know the background of. | |
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| Beggars
Posted: 12/23/2007 2:09:44 PM | I'd much rather see my hard earned taxes going towards pulling people out of the gutter than keep the royal family in a life of luxury through no other reason than birthright. £40,000,000 a year, not to be sniffed at.
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Nergal
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Posted: 12/23/2007 2:10:57 PM | | Now clipboarders ..... give them a quid and tell them to pee off and get a proper job ... | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 2:58:51 PM | I had an Aunt coming to visit and was walking to the train station to meet her. There was a beggar sitting on the ground.
I was having a cigarrette as i walked past and he asked if i could spare one. I am not normally given to helping beggars as i work hard for my money and have in the past done any number of crappy jobs rather than claim benefits.
Anyway, this day i decided i would be different and turned back,opened my cigarettes and took out about 10 and offered them to him. He looked, turned up his nose and said "Urgh, no thanks they're menthols!"
Needless to say, i have reverted to my usual stance since then! | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 3:03:22 PM |
Immigrants do work twice as hard.
So, it's quantifiable?
In what way?
Are we talking about about the money generated by the average immigrant?
Given that the majority of EU migrant workers seem to be on the minimum wage, I cannot see how that is possible, but I just know that figures will be provided to support that comment.
I'm wondering if the BNP would be up to the task of arranging a Christmas party as they are the only group of people in the UK to keep failing to get their 'piss up in a brewery' party off the ground at every chance they have.
According to The Times, the BNP is Britain's fastest growing political party:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article1672185.ece
so I suspect that a lot of breweries are hosting several BNP 'piss-ups'.
There seems to be a discussion as to the 'beggar' status of Big Issue sellers. I reckon that they are homeless AND begging, but I could be wrong. However, what does concern me is the fact that the last three BI sellers I spoke to in the London area were all from recent entrant countries to the EU.
Three questions:
Are we so useless in this country that we now have to import our BI sellers?
Why does a homeless person from Bulgaria need to to be homeless in England?
The BI was created to help BRITISH homeless, so why are immigrant homeless allowed to sell it? | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 3:22:26 PM |
So, it's quantifiable?
In what way?
It is quantifiable by the fact that the majority of employers want to employ them rather than the british.
Are we talking about about the money generated by the average immigrant?
Given that the majority of EU migrant workers seem to be on the minimum wage, I cannot see how that is possible, but I just know that figures will be provided to support that comment.
It is better for you to start a new thread about this.
According to The Times, the BNP is Britain's fastest growing political party:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article1672185.ece
so I suspect that a lot of breweries are hosting several BNP 'piss-ups'.
Its easier to grow when you are very very very small in the first place but less easy when you're very big.
we so useless in this country that we now have to import our BI sellers?
Yes.
Why does a homeless person from Bulgaria need to to be homeless in England?
I havent spoke to any homeless Bulgarians about this. But i'll go looking for some tomorrow..
The BI was created to help BRITISH homeless, so why are immigrant homeless allowed to sell it?
Its called the Big Issue. Not the British Issue. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 3:28:53 PM |
Why does a homeless person from Bulgaria need to to be homeless in England?
Perhaps they came here looking for work and failed to find any.
The BI was created to help BRITISH homeless, so why are immigrant homeless allowed to sell it?
Can you provide a source for that ridiculous claim please? AFAIK the BI is an equal opportunities scheme that is subject to discrimination law like every other company. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 4:45:31 PM |
It is quantifiable by the fact that the majority of employers want to employ them rather than the british.
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=12
According to that Government website, there are nearly 30 million workers in this country.
Are more than half of them immigrants?
I had no idea.
However, this does not support the statement "Immigrants do work twice as hard.", but my hopes weren't high.
It is better for you to start a new thread about this.
Which means that another statement was unsupportable.
Its easier to grow when you are very very very small in the first place but less easy when you're very big.
Correct.
And this has what to do with the BNP's inability to organise the proverbial in a brewery?
I havent spoke to any homeless Bulgarians about this. But i'll go looking for some tomorrow..
What fascinates me is the fact that someone is able to relocate 1200 miles without securing either a job or somewhere to live, whilst travelling through at least five EU countries.
Perhaps they came here looking for work and failed to find any.
Another poster claims that British employers are only interested in employing immigrant workers.
Discuss.
Can you provide a source for that ridiculous claim please?
Sure.
The BI website states that "Except on rare occasions, homelessness need never be a permanent condition. It need never be like going through one revolving door to another revolving door.t need never be the debilitating social ghetto that it has become for many thousands of our fellow citizens."
Bulgarians etc are not "our fellow citizens".
They are citizens of their own country.... | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 4:58:17 PM | Well if you're not vin fourstar then you're his evil twin and I claim my five pounds 
Sure.
The BI website states that "Except on rare occasions, homelessness need never be a permanent condition. It need never be like going through one revolving door to another revolving door.t need never be the debilitating social ghetto that it has become for many thousands of our fellow citizens."
Bulgarians etc are not "our fellow citizens".
They are citizens of their own country....
No, you have added that bit it isn't what it says. It doesn't say "Created exclusively for BRITISH people" like you earlier claimed it says our 'fellow citizens' meaning homo sapien beings in this country without a home or living in poor conditions.
Charities don't discriminate between people who deserve help and people who don't based on their race. If you still think you're right then why don't you contact the BI and ask them personally if you're right about their employment policies. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 5:22:58 PM |
No, you have added that bit it isn't what it says
I think you'll find that the quote I provided did not have anything added.
Hence the fact that I used speech marks - always a clue.
It doesn't say "Created exclusively for BRITISH people" like you earlier claimed
Quite correct - it does not use those words.
However, the BI website is written in English. The term citizen means:
"A legally recognised subject or national of a state or commonwealth"
No Bulgarians ( ie a native or national of Bulgaria) are citizens of GB.
Charities don't discriminate between people who deserve help and people who don't based on their race.
Correct.
However, the Big Issue is not a charity, it is a limited company
http://www.bigissue.com/bigissue.html
If you still think you're right then why don't you contact the BI and ask them personally if you're right about their employment policies.
The above url proves I'm right, so I have no need to contact them.
Buyaka!! | |
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| Beggars
Posted: 12/23/2007 5:51:37 PM | But Bulgaria is in the EU and all EU citizens
are free to travel to, work and live in any country
within the EU.
But I agree that people shouldn't travel abroad for
work if they have no means of sustaining themselves
until such a time where they become employed.
Maybe they come to the UK to sell the big issue because
Sterling is worth so much more than the Euro and they
heard the streets are paved with gold. | |
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| Beggars
Posted: 12/23/2007 6:00:16 PM |
But Bulgaria is in the EU
Absolutely correct.
all EU citizens are free to travel to, work and live in any country within the EU.
Absolutely correct, although why I had to remove various pauses in that quoted section remains a mystery.
However, the EU does not authorise homeless people to relocate within the EU in order to take advantage of opportunities which are solely offered by private companies.
And until the EU tells us that a citizen of Bulgaria is also a citizen of GB, a citizen of Bulgaria is NOT a citizen of Great Britain. | |
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Posted: 12/23/2007 6:31:36 PM |
Absolutely correct, although why I had to remove various pauses in that quoted section remains a mystery.
I'm feeling a little mystified too.
Don't the various EU countries have Job agencies
where people could find work in other countries
for themselves before they even leave their own
place of birth/nation ?
I would have very definite doubts about why
people from other countries feel the need to
beg on the streets of the UK and it wouldn't
surprise me at all if many aren't professional
beggars. | |
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| Beggars
Posted: 12/24/2007 1:06:10 AM | Beg, v. To ask for something with an earnestness proportioned to the belief that it will not be given.  | |
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Posted: 12/24/2007 2:59:32 AM |
Correct.
However, the Big Issue is not a charity, it is a limited company
http://www.bigissue.com/bigissue.html
So therefore they have to adhere to employment law and not discriminate against possible employees based on their race or nationality.
So you're still quite wrong, nomatter how you choose to interpret it. Unless, of course, the BI falls outside of employment law which I imagine they don't. | |
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| Beggars
Posted: 12/24/2007 6:35:09 AM | | Is this another hijack by the british nobheads party? | |
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Posted: 12/24/2007 2:20:03 PM | Davey t Msg 90
According to that Government website, there are nearly 30 million workers in this country.
Are more than half of them immigrants?
I did not say half were employed. I said employers would rather employ them. The majority of jobs are already filled by British workers. What i am saying is more and more jobs that come up will be filled by non British workers.
the fact that the majority of employers want to employ them rather than the british.
And this has what to do with the BNP's inability to organise the proverbial in a brewery?
What do you think? Is there something that the BNP can do proficiently?
Perhaps they came here looking for work and failed to find any.
Another poster claims that British employers are only interested in employing immigrant workers.
I said the majority of employers. Read my post again please.
Discuss.
Start your own thread about your dilemma. We'll discuss it a little further then.
Is this another hijack by the british nobheads party?
I think so. This site is about as high as they'll ever get. | |
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| Beggars
Posted: 12/24/2007 4:29:32 PM |
Is this another hijack by the british nobheads party
Sadly yes. Some will do anything and use any means to bleat on 
Give a couple of quid to a homeless person you tight buggers. | |
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