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 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 12/25/2007 2:18:22 AM
This is a really interesting thread.

I see it as a choice that somehow gets made, by many people, one way or another. It's been my experience that small children (generally) are quite able to sense things that adults somehow have closed themselves off from - especially on an emotional level.

I think, over time, for many people that ability is lost or weakened by personal choice as they become more self centered. We do live in a world that's rather artificial, and far removed from those things that perhaps once helped us cope better with seeing each other as people.

We get thrown together into large noisy cities, and the stress and strain that places upon us. If that "radar" we once had was functioning at it's normal level, it would overwhelm us with the information it provided - and so we shut it down.

One of the things I often do when outside is to simply watch people as they go about their lives. You can really pick up a lot of information that way, and get insight into who they may be. Posture, body language, how they interact with others...

Especially in the summer, I sometimes will take a seat near a sidewalk, relax, and have a coffee. You can sit there and watch people walk by, and somehow almost see into their life. This one's in love and happy, that one is lonely, the other one stressed out after a tough day at the office.... It's quite fascinating.

The one's that puzzle me are the people that you just get zero from , like they are somehow in "stealth mode". I always wonder about those ones....

The other night, as I was going to work, I stepped into a subway car. This young woman got on, and sat in the seat across from me. She looked OK, but at the same time something just struck me about her as being "off".

A few minutes later, I noticed she took out a Kleenex and dabbed her eyes. She wasn't crying, but she suddenly had this look of deep sadness about her. It radiated from her in waves, but almost no one noticed her.

I like to spend time alone too, and always have. I also love being around people too, and can enjoy and do well in those situations. I just need the time to recharge, and to think sometimes, and I don't think that's a bad thing.

I find this ability to relate to people is quite advantageous in the job I do. I sometimes speak to people who are scared, or who have just had something bad happen to them - like being victimized in a hold up or burglary.

I'm a very calm person by nature, although ironically in a job that's often a very high stress one. My voice, which is rather deep and calm, seems to assist me in helping people as I work. I can "pick up" things between the lines as we speak, simply by letting myself open up to them. That's often made the difference in handling the situation.

With some people you can do this quite easily over a phone, with others it's almost impossible. I just find sometimes this ability can be incredibly helpful, if you open yourself up to it.

When I first started working, I was in a job where salesmen would typically avoid problem phone calls from clients, and they would get passed on to me instead.

There's nothing like getting a client that's , if you want a good training course in customer relations. The strange thing was that , in almost all cases, I was able to resolve the problems they were having, and by the time they hung up they were actually quite satisfied with the conversation. It got to a point where I became their main contact for the work they were doing.

In the job I do now, there are some client's that are well known "problems". Most of my co-workers would rather cut off an arm than deal with them. In most cases, but not all, I have little difficulty in dealing with them.

I think a lot of that comes from being able to pick up clues as to who and what they are, and then that makes the interaction much easier than it would be otherwise. You kind of "slip into their shoes" , and that allows you to "speak their language".
 RulyRedhead

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Posted: 12/25/2007 3:03:53 AM
I worked as a Lifeguard for 12yrs, humans are creatures of habit, 90% of lifeguarding is seeing trouble brewing and stopping it BEFORE something happens. Words and body language is only part of the way we communicate, we are animals and do make use of pheramones. I am certain there is more going on in this world, that most just can't sense. Do you REALLY think that we would have made it this far in life, if we relied on speech .
It is not empathy that I have, I dislike crowds, and the general public, as I see them plod along obilivous to the world taking place around them, plugged into the music, phone, computer. I have had couple of undeniable experiences, that by themselves are justifiable, add them all up and it doesn't. I am wondering is there anyone out there in fishy land that stumbles across this posting and may be able to point me in the right direction. Having gift is only part, understanding why and how to use it is the other.

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 Ravenstar66

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Posted: 12/25/2007 8:51:13 AM
These sensitivities are sometimes difficult to control, much less be able to find a positive use for. I do believe however, like Montrealguy, that they do give a certain advantage in dealing with others.

I believe they are the attributes of a healer.. in a more calm society, say Native American or African Bushmen, they are most likely recognized at an early age and encouraged. In our society the overwhelming amount of people and stimuli probably causes this ability to shut down. I have noticed that most people who identify with these things are usually creative, and sympathetic types.... I think more women identify because having empathy is almost mandatory for caring for pre-verbal children. Whether women have it more often or are conditioned by society to accept it more is a very good question. I do know that sometimes it is not a matter of observation.. I have felt these things before I have ever seen the person "transmitting" the emotions.

For myself I try to see it as a gift to be able to assist others... I've used it in my counselling work, I've also had jobs where I have had to deal with irate customers and it has come in handy. All I could say for anyone else is to sit with it for a while, maybe during meditation and ask what it is that one should be using it for.

People watching is one of my favorite pastimes..

I do remember one time I saw a man get on a bus I was on, I was startled because I could feel NOTHING from this person, just a big void. This person had no "self", no feelings at all. Frankly it scared me.. because I can always fell something, if only a presence. I'm glad I have only sensed that once. This person was more like an empty shell.

Peace and Merry Christmas to all
 Nergal

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Posted: 12/25/2007 8:47:49 PM
I think that happens if somene totally closes off. I do it myself if I'm very introspective, I can just seem to appear in the middle of everybody when I arrive at my destination.
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 12/25/2007 8:55:57 PM

I can just seem to appear in the middle of everybody when I arrive at my destination.


That actually happened to me once. I was lost in thought, and I was walking down the sidewalk near my house. A friend of mine, who had worked with me for eight years, was walking the other direction towards me. He could see me coming easily, and yet when I was about five feet away he suddenly realized it was me, with a start.

I wish I knew how to flip THAT switch, sometimes.
 Nergal

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Posted: 12/25/2007 9:04:10 PM
I used to do it by accident, then I realised how to do it .. so I do it on purpose now ..

Its easy in a way. First think about where you are going, and set the route in your head so you can do it on autopilot. Then set some really deep train of thought going. It doesnt matter what it is, just lose yourself in your thoughts so you dont even notice the journey. I usually do it on plane trips and long train journeys.
 Banquo

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Posted: 12/26/2007 12:27:47 AM
I am most definitely an empath; which, I discovered when I was fairly young. I was dating this girl, and she cheated on me; so, I had to end it. When the conversation turned to the breaking up part; she began to cry. Whether or not she felt remorse for the cheating, her sadness regarding the breakup was real; and, I could 'feel' all of it. It was like I was looking in a mirror, and breaking up with myself; it's hard to explain beyond that.

Probably the most powerful personal example I have, was when I was down in Florida, many years ago, with family on vacation. We were driving along the highway, and just before a small bridge, there were firetrucks and and an ambulance. We continued on our way; but, I felt strange. About an half hour later, we heard on the radio that a diver had drowned at that bridge (why the firetrucks and ambulance were there). When we got to our hotel; I became completely overwhelmed with emotion. I could feel the diver's emotional state, at the exact moment when he realized that he not going to survive his situation; I could feel his wife's anguish at losing her husband. Well, the emotions were too much, and I openly wept for a good 20 minutes; hard. My girlfriend at the time that was with me, didn't know what to do; because, she had never seen like that before. I didn't know what to do; because, I had never experienced that level of emotion from my empathy before.

Like some others have mentioned here: I cannot go into hospitals; which, has made me look uncaring; as, I've had close family that have died in the hospital; but, I could not go. There is far too much pain and suffering that bombards you, the moment you even get close to the building. Try explaining, though, that the reason you aren't coming to see someone you love die, because you 'are sensing the emotions of everyone in that hospital, all at once.' It tends to come off looking like an excuse. As far as malls, and in general, large crowds, I'm pretty good with that. I wouldn't say that I turn it on or off; more like it's on all the time; but, when I need to, I can filter it out. The only place I cannot filter, is the hospital. I think it has to do with the high concentration of 'negative' energy there. What I mean by 'negative', is the pain and suffering and death that permeates the walls. Don't get me wrong, there are those there who have come back from the brink of death, are convalescing, getting better; I can feel those too; but, they are horribly outnumbered by the other, unfortunately.

One kind of odd place that I cannot go to, is a strip bar. I feel the desperation of some of the patrons, there spending their hard earned cash on the closest thing to sex they may ever get. I feel the emotions of some of the dancers; who wish they could be anywhere else but there; doing something else for a living. They aren't there because the like it, they are there because it's a paycheque. Now, in the past this has gotten me into trouble with my friends, some of who have been known to like to go to the 'peelers', as they like to call it; but, most of my close friends understand that I am tuned to things they cannot sense, and accept my refusal to ever accompany them to such establishments.

yes, this was incredibly long-winded; sorry about that...

Sincerely

~Banquo~
 BearHeartUK

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Posted: 12/26/2007 4:27:24 AM
I think people are a little confused as to what an empath is.

Most people, in fact, most primates have the ability to 'put yourself in someone elses shoes' and imagine how this 'someone' would be feeling.

A true empath's own emotions are subdued by others. In a crowded places it can become overwhelming which is why they seek solitude.
On the whole they are very happy, positive people. Children and animals seem to be drawn to them although adults can perceive them to be aloof.

I'm glad to read of others experiences.

Best wishes to you all for the new year.

Ian
 godddesss13

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Posted: 12/26/2007 6:24:55 AM
A few things I found a while back..... it rings true for me, not sure if it will for others.


WHAT IS EMPATHY?

Empathy is the ability to "read” and understand people and be in-tune with or resonate with others, voluntarily or involuntarily of one's empath capacity. Empathy often works alongside with telepathy, and this mutually enhances the strength of these abilities.

Empaths have the ability to scan another's psyche for thoughts and feelings or for past, present, and future life occurrences. Many empaths are unaware of how this actually works, and have long accepted that they were “sensitive” to others.

Empathy is a “feeling” of another’s true emotions to a point where an empath can relate to that person by sensing true feelings that run deeper than those portrayed on the surface. People commonly put on a “show” of expression. This is a learned trait of hiding authentic expression in an increasingly demanding society.

An empath can sense the truth behind the “cover” and will act compassionately to help that person express him/herself, thus making them feel at ease and not so desperately alone. It’s as though the empath truly understands, and, in many cases, they do through personal “firsthand” experience.

Empaths experience empathy towards family, children, friends, close associates, complete strangers, pets, plants and inanimate objects. Thus, an empath can feel the emotions of people and things at a distance. Some are empathic towards animals (the “Horse Whisperer”), to nature, to the planetary system, to mechanical devices or to buildings. Others will have a combination of the above.

Empaths are highly “sensitive”. This is the term commonly used in describing one's abilities (sensitivity) to another’s emotions and feelings. Empaths have a deep sense of “knowing” that accompanies empathy and are often compassionate, considerate, and understanding of others. Everyone has this natural ability; however, many never choose to utilize their ability and/or are completely unaware of their empathic ability.

There are also varying levels of strength in empaths which may be related to the individual’s awareness of self, understanding of the powers of empathy, and/or the acceptance or non-acceptance of empathy by those associated with them, including family and peers. Generally, those who are empathic grow up with these tendencies and do not learn about them until later in life.
by: Christel Broederlow

NOTE: The complete article ^^^ is too long to post here.



The 10 Levels of Empath from Jerry Breen in Seattle

General (1)
The feeling you get when walking into a room where the feeling(s) are 'so thick in here, you could cut it with a knife.' (Everyone has experienced this level of empathy, even those who claim to not being empath!)

Empath (1)
(a) They are hit with all sorts of feelings and emotions, but know that those emotions/feelings are not theirs. But have no idea where they are coming from SPECIFICALLY, and or are unable to identify those specifically.

(b) Over all 'static' feeling of emotions or are over-whelmed and consumed.
~ Do not know where it's coming from or why.
~ Generally in 4 people or greater groups or crowds.
~ The larger the 'group/crowd' the more 'over-whelmed' feeling one would get.
~ It is possible that some 'clinically depressed' people MIGHT fall into this category. Because the 'over all emotions' of others so overwhelm, that they avoid groups of any size, because it causes ‘depression’. (These are those where there is no 'clinical' or 'medical' reason that can be found.)

Empath (2)
~ Same as EMPATH (1a & b) BUT: They can identify the emotions of the above.. HAPPY, SAD, JOY, PAIN, etc. But are unable to focus on where specifically it is coming from except one-on-one, without obvious visual clues.

Empath (3)
~ Same as Empath (2) BUT: They can identify the emotions of the above and tell where they are coming from in small crowds, without the obvious visual clues.

Empath (4)
~ Same as Empath (3) BUT: In large crowds can focus on strong emotional out put from individuals, and tell generally where it it's coming from and focus and search it out.

Empath (5)
~ ALL THE ABOVE plus over great distances of people they love or know, and major events: earthquakes, bombings, celebrations, etc.

Empath (6)
~ ALL THE ABOVE, and be able to hone in and know WHY the feeling is there in general to slightly specific reason for the emotion.

Empath (7)
~ ALL THE ABOVE, and be able to detect if emotional or physical in nature, and why in rather specific detail.

Empath (8)
~ This is in level of 'Psi' abilities. All the above, and know without 'seeing', 'knowing' or observing by natural means... in very specific detail.

Empath (9)
~ All the above, and is able to focus and "scan" the person for detail or information physically, emotionally, etc. And give very specific information / detail.

Empath (10)
~ ALL the above, with great control, this person also branches into PSI abilities and is able to control to various levels thought / body and other functions in another person. Depending on the level of PSI, which is another, and deeper study and research.

by: Jerry J. Breen
 vivica42

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Posted: 12/26/2007 6:49:21 PM

A true empath's own emotions are subdued by others. In a crowded places it can become overwhelming which is why they seek solitude.
On the whole they are very happy, positive people. Children and animals seem to be drawn to them although adults can perceive them to be aloof


Another empath on board here. Everything said by others previously applies to me as well. I can't be in crowds. I feel sorry for people to the utmost, even those who maybe are "getting what they deserve." And children and animals practically cling to me. I work with children and almost daily one of them will tell me they want me to be their mom! This always makes me feel bad.....I don't do anything to "make" the children be so loving toward me, it just happens. They just spontaneously tell me how much they love me. If I enter the room, they leave the person they were maybe hanging around, and I am suddenly surrounded by kids. A co-worker even commented on that the other day...said she liked it when I was around because she could go do other stuff because none of the kids are interested in her at all when I am there. Same with animals. I have always felt the need to be around animals.

If anyone is interested, there is a yahoo group for empaths. I am sure there are many others out there on other sites as well.
 Ravenstar66

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Posted: 12/26/2007 7:46:19 PM
According to that scale I function on a daily basis as a 6, but if I am healing I can go to a 9 or 10. I can only do that if I am focused though. I can't do it in a crowd. Maybe there are "empath" lessons somewhere?

I am okay in hospitals though... but they have a lot of flourescent lighting, and I find that throws me off. Have NO idea what that is all about. I've thought about doing hospice work.. the dying don't really scare me.

Interesting thread
 Nergal

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Posted: 12/26/2007 8:24:37 PM
flourescent lighting is no good for me either. I can handle it better now than I could. It functions on two levels, one its actually flickering so it can affect people as epileptics get affected by strobe effects, and the light isnt as good as natural light either, its a different wavelength to normal. Plus its noisy from a radio point of view. The gas is ignited by a capacitive disharge at around 50 times a second. Perhaps it does point to psychic ability being electromagnetic? On the chart .. I can do 10, I just have to be relaxed and in the right frame of mind but I can induce energy in another person, or remove it. Used to annoy my ex especially where I used to direct it.
 trippy_hare

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Posted: 12/27/2007 1:19:45 AM
^^^^

There's precisely what I'm talking about: "special" definitions and conditions that only apply to "empaths"? Specific traits and abilities that are inherent in self-aware species, but are somehow "heightened" in empaths? Groups of people who consider themselves so very special as to believe that uncomfortable situations (crowds, hospitals) are somehow only difficult for them?

Ugh. Little wonder I have dislike of the term. I despise hospitals as well (mostly because of a fatal allergy to chlorine) but not because I somehow 'absorb' the emotions of the place: hospitals are scary. People in hospitals are sick, or dying, or worse. Life is never sterile, but hospitals are. The staff have seen so much of humanity, good and bad, and are so over-worked that they cannot provide much comfort. Ever tried to stop a doctor and make small talk? I doubt it'd work.

Crowds are no different: especially crowds of strangers. You hardly know anyone (or worse, know no one). First impressions form within seconds: meaning, everyone is judging you almost immediately, and constantly. Everyone has their own agenda, their own schedule, their own routine. Not the most pleasant of experiences for anybody.

I refuse to believe that simply feeling overwhelmed- or underwhelmed- in such scenarios is signs of some metaphysical gift. And it is most certainly not grounds for considering oneself special or superior. That is simply part of the Human Dichotomy in action.

All humans require the following, seemingly contradictory emotional mechanisms:

1) Every human must feel unique: as if they are individual, special, and unlike any other human.
2) Every human must feel like part of a group: as though they belong somewhere, or contribute something.

In my experience, this dichotomy most often manifests as people thinking themselves special because of the group they belong in. I'm sorry, but I don't buy it.
 vivica42

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I refuse to believe that simply feeling overwhelmed- or underwhelmed- in such scenarios is signs of some metaphysical gift. And it is most certainly not grounds for considering oneself special or superior. That is simply part of the Human Dichotomy in action.

All humans require the following, seemingly contradictory emotional mechanisms:

1) Every human must feel unique: as if they are individual, special, and unlike any other human.
2) Every human must feel like part of a group: as though they belong somewhere, or contribute something.

In my experience, this dichotomy most often manifests as people thinking themselves special because of the group they belong in. I'm sorry, but I don't buy it.


In absolutely no way am I attempting to classify myself as superior to other people. You seem to have a major chip on your shoulder, from the postings I have read from you. Speaking only for myself, I have spent my entire life being unable to participate fully in the same things that "other" people do with little or no problem. I also noticed other things about me that were quite DIFFERENT. I kept it to myself until other people started talking about these things within themselves. It is perfectly acceptable and OK to do so....to share experiences/knowledge and therefore, to hopefully find out who, what, where, when and why. You are struggling with this because you are one that doesn't exactly feel the same feelings we do. If you did, you would know where we are coming from with this. If it bothers you so much, look at another board maybe? Me thinks you are protesting a bit too much.
 Raveninns

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Posted: 12/27/2007 5:46:27 AM
@ Trippy, ya know, this is one of the rare times that I wish because someone's reality does not allow for the concept of empathy to exist, then it surely doesn't.

Whether you think folks make this stuff up to make themselves feel special or because it makes them feel as they are contributing to the world does not negate that the possibility that being an empath exists.

Frankly, I don't understand your negativity towards this concept. From "highborn and lowborn" meanderings for which a further explanation of mental illness and being "spoiled" was provided, to "human dichotomy in action"...I respect your opinions but disagree with you very much. You don't "buy it". Fair enough.

I, and apparently others such as me on this forum, have had life experiences which differ from your opinion. Their stories are valid to them and to me.

There are many here who I can relate to...their words ring true for me as I understand only too well the implications of this "gift". To you posters, I thank you for sharing and making me feel less alone.

Masi cho from my heart. Raven
 godddesss13

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Posted: 12/27/2007 11:05:32 AM
My previous post could have just as easily been the ten levels of learning guitar - or math - or a sport..... but it was on an emotional skill, that is not easily measured by mankind, so therefore it is wrong? How do you explain someone who can pick up almost any instrument and play it well in a short perioid of time.... or a sport? I can play sports till I am purple in the face, and I will never be very good.... and yes, even in my prime. Yet I have a sister, who chain smokes, is 48 yrs old, and still has a 36 inch vertical jump like a basketball center. .....The point I am making.... we all have different skills and abilities.... and it does not make us "special" or "superior".... just unique.

Is being empathic a gift?.... arguably, it is a lot more of a responsibility than a gift ..... and those who think it is a gift, maybe want to think that again. Imagine knowing six months before your father is "officially" diagnosed with cancer that he is sick and dying.... and he has told no one. He knew, he just told no one, as he wanted to be treated the same, and he was ready, as he had lived a full life, and wanted to die with grace. Or knowing a similar thing about your best friend's mother..... and you have to find a way to encourage your friend to spend as much time as possible with her mom, and somehow find a workaround with her step-father..... not an easy task. Picking up on the emotions of those around you is not always a good thing..... only when the emotions are positive does it really feel good.
 Ravenstar66

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Posted: 12/27/2007 1:06:01 PM
I don't even know if I would classify it as "metaphysical"... not the way say, clairavoyance is, anyway. I think it is more like some people have a better sense of hearing or smell than others.. some are better at logical deduction.

I'd agree that in my experience it is not always a "gift".. in the manner of a blessing. For me it is frequently painful and has gotten in the way of relationships with others, because I just can't stand to be around others for more than few hours and I need to retreat. 8 hours and I'm DONE, I have to really pull enough energy to even be with my own kid, much less another adult. Needless to say, romance can be a bit tricky. Try explaining to someone who can't understand that you are too overloaded to be near them, and still tell them that you care. Of course my ADD doesn't help either, as I can also get mentally overwhelmed in the course of a regular day.

Nergal.. thanks for the info about the flourescents.. I tried to tell my teachers when I was in grade school that I couldn't concentrate under the lights. That I could "hear" them and they were too distracting.. they thought I was crazy. Or lazy, or lying. I still detest overhead lighting... especially flourescent. I buy the natural daylight bulbs for reading and painting. At night I turn the lights off if I'm watching tv and light candles.
 FrogO_Oeyes

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Posted: 12/27/2007 1:21:32 PM
I'd be inclined to agree with Trippy, though I would have tried more diplomatic wording. Certainly empathy "exists", but like telepathy, I would not consider it to be some special talent. Both can be explained as an extra awareness of some of the feedback we get from our normal senses. The clues are always there, for anyone to "see". Some people perceive those clues better, and may not even realize what the clues are, but this does not make it some form of unexplained ESP. The ability comes from the mind being able to process and react to information without "thinking" about it. You don't need to think "FIRE!" to jerk your hand from a flame, and you don't need to think "That semi is approaching at 80 mph..." in order to jump out of the way. You COULD if you wanted to, and you COULD explain empathetic feelings if you actually tried to determine what the triggers are. I do. I spend far more time observing humans than I do interacting with them. Women are generally considered better at reading subtle cues of body language. It's no shock that women might often be considered more empathetic. Part of that is because they're reading those subtle cues without even thinking about it.

Maseet'cho, Raven?
I haven't heard that word in about 30 years, and without checking your profile, I suspect it's coming from a related language thousands of miles from where I learned it. Could be wrong on that. My version is from Gwichin.
 NeverCanezzer

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I am able to pick up the "cues" from people very well. I read faces very well for sure. Whether that makes me an empath or not I don't know. I can be affected by it though. I find it hard to be around people for too long, even my best friends. I need space after social encounters. I like to sail - the most I can handle with other people is four days out there. I find at the end I'm really ready to head for my cave. I guess I can't take peoples often conflicting emotions - I prefer my own space as its a very neutral environment in that respect. I think that its a negative trait in my case as it does limit my socializing. However, I have learned to accept this and live around and with it.
 Danny Sherwood

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Posted: 12/27/2007 2:26:17 PM
raveninns

Thank you for posting your experiences. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who can feel things like that.
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Posted: 12/27/2007 2:45:24 PM
I'm an empath also reading the above list I'd be type A. I have all the same things mentioned above plus I pick up thoughts from certain people.

I get overstimulated when in crowds and usually come home stressed out. Strangers will often come up to me and tell me all their problems.

People that come to my home usually say they can feel the peace.
Given the choice I'd much rather be in nature especially near water....particularly waterfalls.
I've been told I calm people. There are drawbacks I can usually pick up very fast if someone is being honest or not, drawback in the sense of people you like turning weird on you.
 statueman

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Posted: 12/27/2007 2:50:41 PM
Hey guys...

uh all this thinking you're special and can feel empathy has to have one thing that goes beyond the touchy feely emotionality of the ever caring but never sharing souls.

Where's the soup? Better be servin some soup or I don't want to hear all this touchy feely when you wish upon a star crap. (yeah... still listening to glenn)

but seriously...

EMPATHY ISN'T ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN FEEL

It's about what you do baby... it's about what you do when nobody else is looking and something you never share.

Learn the lesson of the fruit tree... and take the fertilizer cause that's the only way to bear good fruit without being a complete show off.

The Empath saw the farmer put fertilzer around the fruit tree and felt that the fruit three was hurt by it... later that night the empath went to the tree and feeling it's pain dug up all that nasty ole fertilizer. The next year the fruit tree was happy until the farmer came and cut it down to make room for a tree that would mature and bear fruit.

Now when I told you people not to sit under the apple tree with anyone but me... I meant the one with apples on it.
 divineadvisor

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Posted: 12/27/2007 6:15:31 PM
I know someone that can tune into my feelings. When he does it...I know it. He mirrors my emotions and I can tell it is done purposely. There are times when we will be talking and suddenly he will just stop and I know what he is doing....he is tuning into me. I don't know if this makes sense....but, honestly it happens.
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 12/27/2007 6:40:31 PM

EMPATHY ISN'T ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN FEEL


Well, actually, ....it is.


Empathy (from the Greek εμπάθεια, transliterated as empatheia, meaning "physical affection, partiality") is commonly defined as one's ability to recognize, perceive and feel directly the emotion of another. Since the states of mind, beliefs, and desires of others are intertwined with their emotions, one with empathy for another may often be able to more effectively define another's mode of thought and mood. Empathy is often characterized as the ability to "put oneself into another's shoes", or to in some way experience the outlook or emotions of another being within oneself, a sort of emotional resonance.

The word 'empathy' comes from the German 'Einfühlung' (literally, "in-feeling"), coined by the psychologist Theodore Lipps in the late 1880s.

Empathy is also a concept recognized as "reading" another person, completely translating each movement into understandable conversation. Often, an empath can quite literally feel the emotions of another person or persons.

Psychological perspectives

Other aspects

In addition to the above use, the term empathy is also used by some people to signify their heightened or higher sensitivity to the emotions and state of others. This, reportedly, can lead to both positive aspects such as a more skilled instinct for what is "behind the scenes" with people, but also to difficulties such as rapid over-stimulation, overwhelm or stress caused by an inability to protect oneself from this so-called 'pick-up'. Such people may for example find crowds stressful simply due to picking up what is often described as "white noise" or multiple emotions as they pass through it, a phenomenon not to be confused with agoraphobia and sometimes informally known as crowd-sickness.

Empathy in this sense is ascribed by such people to various mechanisms. These include simply more sophisticated subconscious processing of sensory cues or stronger emotional feedback than the norm, (i.e. the normal human experience but more so), and therefore fit within present models. Some people, perhaps due to synesthesia, believe it instead to be a direct emotional sense or a feel for others' "energy". The New Age religion(s) have constructed belief systems around anecdotal evidence of persons who claim to be "empaths" in this sense. This aspect of empathy is not clinically recognized, and someone calling themselves an "empath" usually does not intend to imply that they are gifted with any psychic ability.

A recurrent theme of discussion on such websites relates to the impact upon individuals, and therefore also methods (including mental practices, emotional processes and ritual) which anecdotally can help reduce the intensity of empathic reactions to others' feelings to a more bearable level (informally called 'shielding' or emotional detachment).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empathy#Methods_for_empathising


Now what you do with it after you feel it, that's a whole other barrel of.....apples.
 average_anomaly

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Posted: 12/27/2007 6:42:07 PM
ha ha! too funny, I am just going to stop replying and put - "ditto ravenstar"

floresecent lighting! grrrr- gives me a huge headache - why are so many of us that are alike are alike in the same weird ways? lol
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