| Women who smoke are far more promiscuous.
Posted: 3/20/2008 9:43:25 PM | I agree with May32. that a conclusion of promiscuity cannot be supported. The general promiscuity conclusion that you seem to agree with because being on the site and single is unlikely to be more or less promiscuous than off the site and single. It could be that the singles on the site are finding fewer sexual partners. Most of the really slutty women I know (have known) don't use a computer for dating (or anything else really).
But the cheating is a relatively sound correlation given the data. In general, other than forum junkies, those who self list as married or living together on POF are here to cheat. Given that the rate of smoking in the general population is half of what it is here on POF, cheating seems to be highly correlated with smoking. It's necessarily the case that there is a lower percentage of smokers off of POF who are married. While many of those off site may also be cheating, it's unlikely the proportion is nearly as high as the married and living together on POF.
The only way to conclude that smoking isn't related to cheating is to make one of the following arguments:
-Married and Living together people are much more likely to be smokers in general (a fact that can likely be verified)
-People who cheat off of POF are much more likely to be non-smokers and it balances out. (it's possible that being a smoker is more of a turn off in person than online)
If you don't believe one of those arguments then it's hard to avoid a conclusion that smokers tend to cheat. | |
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| Women who smoke are far more promiscuous.
Posted: 3/20/2008 11:29:18 PM | What about those of us who smoke and do not wear shoes? lol
I smoke - I can't stand shoes, and I'm not promiscuous.
There go the statistics. lol | |
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| Women who smoke are far more promiscuous.
Posted: 3/21/2008 2:20:52 AM | | Absolute fact.Females that are smokers and in high school are involved in sexual acts far more than nonsmokers. If your high school age daughter/sister/whatever smokes, she is sexually active. There have been several dozen studies conducted and most are within just a point or two of being identical. Face it, if they are into risky type behavior, it doesn't seem to matter which they are doing. | |
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| Women who smoke are far more promiscuous.
Posted: 3/21/2008 6:27:05 AM | | This forum seems like another way to berate women and to entice anger.......if you had truly wanted to make this a debate on smokers you would have used non gender terms or used both men and women. I respect the right that other people hate being around smokers and having not smoked for many years I can see it would be and issue and I respect that and have no problem with someone not being interested in myself because I do now smoke. But once again you are targeting a certain sex and that is women. If you want a fair debate instead of targeting a certain sex or heck now were dragging teenage girls into a adult forum about smoking it seems that you have to make this a gender based issue. If you had wanted to go over the medical risks and social risks of smoking I would have read this with interest and I would have been more open minded . You have put women on the defensive and made this Just another Issue about Women and another way to berate them. You could have opened up this forum in away that would have changed some people's behavior and addictions without charging in and trying to entice Women anger. This was just another way to drag women into the dirt instead of making this a real debate on smoking and behaviors of those that do smoke,,,,once again it is another forum targeting women instead of a behavior.................and FYI I do smoke........and I am not promiscuous Blue | |
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Posted: 3/21/2008 6:54:20 AM | {quote}Looks like women who smoke are more likely to cheat, and the real shocker is "living together". Not sure if women assume that means boyfriend girlfriend or just room mates.
Being a administer I would think that you know better than to select a target audience
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| Women who smoke are far more promiscuous.
Posted: 3/21/2008 9:30:34 AM | quote
Absolute fact.Females that are smokers and in high school are involved in sexual acts far more than nonsmokers. If your high school age daughter/sister/whatever smokes, she is sexually active.
Absolute Bullshit. I started smoking in grade 9 - and didn't loose my 'innocence' till the age of 23 - my own decision. And I am a former drummer, involved in the music industry - so you think that my level of sluttiness would have been higher, especially seeing as I SMOKE - but everyone is different. Stats like this is really a waste of time, and it sad how many people fall into the lies.
Funny how most of the girls who got pregnant in high school - didn't smoke. A couple of them did - but a lot of them did not. I was about one of only 8 girls in school who graduated that didn't need extra material in her dress in the tummy. In fact the whores that smoked in our school were the guys.
Not only that - but a lot of the young teases out there who are dressing up in whorish clothing and going to the clubs, drink - but don't smoke. And look at the high rate of std's in their age groups. And its funny how this was done on women - must have been done by a woman hater. | |
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| Women who smoke are far more promiscuous.
Posted: 3/21/2008 9:49:15 AM |
It's not surprising that men reportedly have more sex partners on average than women, but that's not the question.
Zentral is correct. The topic is not attempting to contrast promiscuity prevalence between men and women, but between smoking women and non-smoking women. Usually, when you see these "straw man" rebuttals pop up in threads, it's because some posters can't handle the truth.  | |
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| Women who smoke are far more promiscuous.
Posted: 3/21/2008 10:12:51 AM |
blueyesrsmiling wrote: ...if you had truly wanted to make this
a debate on smokers you would have used non gender terms
or used both men and women.
Gender is relevant when discussing promiscuity because statistically
men who have an abnormally large number of partners are perceived
as more sexually attractive and as having higher social status,
all other things equal. | |
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| Women who smoke are far more promiscuous.
Posted: 3/21/2008 10:32:20 AM |
Gender is relevant when discussing promiscuity because statistically
men who have an abnormally large number of partners are perceived
as more sexually attractive and as having higher social status,
all other things equal.
Oooh... I just burped... out loud...
I wonder what THAT means!!! | |
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| Women who smoke are far more promiscuous.
Posted: 3/21/2008 11:09:34 AM | queenrhiannon, like many others, are taking their personal experience and trying to generalize. Statistics are NOT about individuals!
Perhaps (for the sake of an example) the stats indicate that 12% of smoking women are promiscuous, while only 8% of non-smoking women are. That would be a very significant difference statistically, yet by far most women - smokers or not - would not be promiscuous by those numbers. (IF the numbers I made up were true, then a guy hitting on women who smoke would have a 1.5 times greater chance of "scoring" than if he hit on non-smoking women, assuming he tried often enough.)
Individual experiences and behavior don't matter whatsoever, statistically - the cumulative numbers over many samples does. | |
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| Women who smoke are far more promiscuous.
Posted: 3/21/2008 1:21:22 PM | quote]CDC or NCHS or BRSS or other sources do not have a "promiscuity" question. Promiscuity is derived from a common variable in most all CDC data sets and it's a variable called "Number of Lifetime Sex Partners". So I went to National Center for Health Statistics (division of CDC) and downloaded their NCHS. Including sexual behavior, alcohol, smoking and other survey modules.
Total Sample is N = 7,781.
NoseyNeighbor showed us where he got his statics's
38% of single women smoke with an average age of 30
48% of married women on the site smoke with an average age of 34
58% of women who selected "living together" smoke with an average age of 28
34% of divorced women on the site smoke with an average age of 45
44% of seperated women on the site smoke with an average age of 40
How did Admin arrive at these statics's?
Gender is relevant when discussing promiscuity because statistically
men who have an abnormally large number of partners are perceived
as more sexually attractive and as having higher social status,
all other things equal.
Absolute fact.Females that are smokers and in high school are involved in sexual acts far more than nonsmokers. If your high school age daughter/sister/whatever smokes, she is sexually active.
Please show me how either of these two statements are about the original question?
I thought we were talking about adult women. Not High School Teenagers and no where in the original OP are we talking about Men being perceived as sexually more attractive.
Individual experiences and behavior don't matter whatsoever, statistically - the cumulative numbers over many samples does.
Again how did you arrive at this statics? I haven't seen anything to prove this. At least show us something that will prove what you are stating as fact.
Again the way this OP started this post has put women on the defensive....especially women who smoke.....Everyone that is and adult knows that smoking is very bad for you...But I would have loved to hear non smokers opinions about smoking from the get go ......... I have been both a smoker and a non smoker for me this is a addiction. I would have loved to hear from recovering smoking about how to be successful in quiting....like I say before this is very biased and is degrading to a select group of women..........................so back up your facts I live in the show me State and I love proof..........and I will make a Public apology if I need so....I would love you to prove me wrong....may help in my deciding factor to quit..... Blue | |
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| Women who smoke are far more promiscuous.
Posted: 3/21/2008 1:34:19 PM | The Admin's reluctance to stand up for his Christmas post left pages and pages of redundancies.
The thread became fun(ny). Don't ruin it. | |
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| Women who smoke are far more promiscuous.
Posted: 3/21/2008 1:39:52 PM |
Perhaps (for the sake of an example) the stats indicate that 12% of smoking women are promiscuous, while only 8% of non-smoking women are. That would be a very significant difference statistically, yet by far most women - smokers or not - would not be promiscuous by those numbers. (IF the numbers I made up were true, then a guy hitting on women who smoke would have a 1.5 times greater chance of "scoring" than if he hit on non-smoking women, assuming he tried often enough.)
I may have missed it, but what exactly qualifies as "promiscuous"?
Hmmmmm.................
Personally, I don't really care whether I'm likely to go to my grave having had MORE rather than LESS sexual partners over the course of my life than the "average" woman who has never smoked. And I'm even willing to consider the possibility that people who began smoking in their teens were probably more likely to "party" (lol) in their youth than their non-smoking counterparts (although this is in no way a RULE). But I'm also quite certain that simply having not married until I was 30 will make me likely to have MORE sexual partners than someone who got married at 18 and divorced at 40--even if SHE got divorced due to sexual infidelity on her part of the sort that I have never committed. So, smoking aside, am I more "promiscuous" than her?
Sorry, but the idea that just higher numbers equates to some absolute state of being "more promiscuous"--which is a MORAL term carrying MORAL implications with it--is absurd. No?
In other words, even IF one CAN use data to make the argument that women who smoke will have, on average, more sex partners than their non-smoking counterparts....and it appears that even this is doubtful....that does NOT mean that they are "more promiscuous."
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| Women who smoke are far more promiscuous.
Posted: 3/21/2008 6:44:52 PM | I believe this "stat" was achieved by discussing the fact that many men .. oh lets say 93 percent, who are asked by a woman: "Got a light?" actually hear: "Do me".
I'll check wiki on the actual figures.
later
A.S.is
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| Women who smoke are far more promiscuous.
Posted: 3/21/2008 10:58:41 PM |
I believe this "stat" was achieved by discussing the fact that many men .. oh lets say 93 percent, who are asked by a woman: "Got a light?" actually hear: "Do me".
Isn't that the truth......lol
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| Women who smoke are far more promiscuous.
Posted: 3/22/2008 6:37:38 AM | | Wow, what a totally RANDOM post. I am not offended, merely amused. The general opinion of promiscuity is that it is a self esteem issue, not related to smoking! Next question would be then, do you have low self esteem because you smoke? Or do you smoke because you have low self esteem? | |
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Posted: 3/22/2008 6:54:11 AM | | First of all yes im a smoker and its my business. and who are these ppl taking these poles I have never been offered one how many have so who ever it is has no right to say Women smokers are more Promiscuous thats BS. If the people that put these polls together were more constructive the world would be a much better place. | |
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| Women who smoke are far more promiscuous.
Posted: 3/22/2008 8:17:13 AM | smoking enables approaching the opposite sex with a seemingly innocuous motivation and the outcome can be a "score" from time to time, maybe even a relationship.
smoking also opens up what one would accept in the potential partner as non-smokers many times will exclude a smoker but that wouldn't occur with a smoker unless hypocrisy is being practiced.
i myself have contemplated of all the great looking women i could have had if only i was acceptant of smoking and if i smoked to make such insidious moves. it's a heck of a lot easier to ask a woman if she has a light and then talk about different cigarrette brands, taxation on them, etc, then to come up with with some other words that the woman, in her protection mode, might immediately scoff at as thinking the guy wants only her body and brushes him off in haste. | |
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| Women who smoke are far more promiscuous.
Posted: 3/22/2008 8:45:39 AM | Harvard just did a study to find out if nice guys do or do not finish last.. Conclusion they do not. The study was comprised of 100 college students. There you have it. It's conclusive.. A hard cold fact. lol Now all you men go out there and play nice.
Dont you just love it. When you agree, the study is correct. When you know it cant apply to you its flawed. It's just a study. Dont take it personal. Now I'm going to eat my carbs, drink my wine, and smoke a cigarette. If I had a man I' d follow it by unprotected sex. But alas, I'll take a nap and pretend. | |
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| Women who smoke are far more promiscuous.
Posted: 3/22/2008 8:51:32 AM |
he study was comprised of 100 college students. There you have it. It's conclusive..
No - sorry too small and qualitative a sample and er it's only Harvard college students - I theenk those stats may be a little skewed :) | |
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