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Posted: 1/23/2008 12:28:17 PM | I'm sorry, but Heath Ledger was an idiot.
Anyone with half a brain knows you should NEVER mix meds like that. Especially if one of the the meds is a sleeping pill. What was he thinking? A life tragically cut short by lack of common sense. And now he'll never get a chance to reprise what could have been one of his greatest roles.
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Posted: 1/26/2008 12:07:04 AM | Thankfully, Mr. Ledger was an Actor, and not a Pharmacist. I don't think he necessarily deserves a lot of criticism...
I hadn't noticed the link to the trailer before, but I finally went and had a peek at it... and I gotta say, I'm really disappointed with the Joker. I don't think this has all that much to do with Ledger's performance, more with the Writer and Director's vision. Having been a fan of the comics, I'm really disappointed how much they diverged from his style. In addition to being delusional and totally homicidal, the Joker's insanity encompasses (but is not limited to):
Sartorial Compulsion: He has always been an avant guard fashionista. He favours an immaculately tailored pin-stripe suit, in some shade of purple, in whatever style will be all the rage next year. If he happened to be in bed, having a nap, and some henchman came by to report a failure, the Joker would take the time to put on a crisp shirt, put a double-windsor in his tie, and don a suit before going out to strangle said henchman. Then he'd put his clothes away before going back to his nap. In the trailer, they mention that the Joker's outfit is custom made... but it appears that he used old curtains for fabric. 
Obsessive Compulsive about his Makeup: The truth is, the Joker has white skin because he fell into a vat of toxic chemicals (more accurately, Batman knocked him into it before he was the Joker. If you can find "The Killing Joke" it's a good read). So, his "face paint" should always be perfectly white and even (because it's not paint). He does wear lipstick though... and usually he's very anal retentive about getting it "just so." People have hassled him about this... he's killed for less. Part of the reason for this is he's been known to put his Smile Toxin into his favourite shade, and it wouldn't do to have it smearing and smudged all over the place. Once again, the Dark Knight Joker just has it smeared all over the place.
The way the Joker is drawn has always been tall, lean and elegant. He's supposed to be graceful yet manic. Think of an acrobat who's a master at walking on stilts. Our Dark Knight version seems short, squat and scruffy. Casting might be partially to blame -if he's not built for it, then he can't pull it off... but if they can make Tom Cruise look tall... I guess I feel like whoever developed the look and style for the movie was someone who has wet dreams about Jack Nicholson. The person who should have designed the look would be a total Batman Fanboi. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2008 1:12:44 AM | I'm sorry that Heath Ledger died.
That's a tragedy for his family.
The Joker in DC Comics was insane...as were all of Batman's villians.
The exception possibly being Ra's a Ghul...but that's another story.
From what I've been reading...they've taken the character in a "new direction" w/ this movie...which to me is Hollywoodspeak for "we really f*cked this up".
Apparently the Joker's appearance in has nothing to do w/ his interaction w/ Batman but is makeup (?) that he applies and then allows (a quote here) "to slowly rot off"....
WTF?
Why is it that Hollywood seems to think that THEY can "improve" something that's already been written?
And this is after proving on MANY.MANY occasions that they CAN'T.
While an excellent turn as the Joker would be a great denouement to Heath Ledger's prematurely shortened career...I have grave doubts about the quality of this film. | |
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Posted: 1/27/2008 8:04:15 PM |
From what I've been reading...they've taken the character in a "new direction" w/ this movie...which to me is Hollywoodspeak for "we really f*cked this up".
Apparently the Joker's appearance in has nothing to do w/ his interaction w/ Batman but is makeup (?) that he applies and then allows (a quote here) "to slowly rot off"....
WTF?
Yeah, if the Joker is wearing "clown make up", then they really f*cked up... They even got it right in the first movie, when we see Jack Nicholson applying "flesh" make up before his "commercial" and "date" scene. We know it's "flesh" make up when it gets washed off after Vicky Vayle tosses the pitcher of water into his face. | |
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Posted: 1/28/2008 7:14:07 AM | Yes, they have changed some things about the Joker, but I don't think people should judge it by watching a 2 min trailer. I am not 100% on "The Dark Knight" Joker's look too but I think Ledger's rendition of Joker will be the best. Chris Nolan has a vision for his Batman movies and I like his "realistic version" of Batman and the villains.... they may not be 100% true to the comics, but they are respectful renditions of the characters. If you look back, every batman comic/cartoon/movie writer, actor, artist have a different rendition of each character and no two are exactly the same..... but what they all are is respectful to the characters.... unlike what Joel Schumacher did.
Nolan may not be the best comic movie director, but he is a filmmaker genius and nothing he has made in the past should ever put that doubt in people's heads. | |
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Posted: 1/28/2008 3:25:33 PM |
You might like these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgYhLIThTvk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKbAEmvZyKQ
Very much, hilarious!
I'm sorry, but Heath Ledger was an idiot.
Anyone with half a brain knows you should NEVER mix meds like that. Especially if one of the the meds is a sleeping pill. What was he thinking? A life tragically cut short by lack of common sense. And now he'll never get a chance to reprise what could have been one of his greatest roles.
The police are saying its murder as I understand it. | |
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Posted: 1/28/2008 6:46:11 PM | | The way I see it,Joker got another victim,instead of brandX,the sleeping pills got him.Its a shame he will be missed . | |
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Posted: 1/28/2008 9:52:59 PM | What?!! They do NOT know what killed him. Please stop making assumptions ...or...were you there?
Anyhoo, i dont know if ill be able to see the movie. I was excited before but now, i dunno.
I'm sorry, but Heath Ledger was an idiot.
Anyone with half a brain knows you should NEVER mix meds like that. Especially if one of the the meds is a sleeping pill. What was he thinking? A life tragically cut short by lack of common sense. And now he'll never get a chance to reprise what could have been one of his greatest roles. | |
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Posted: 1/28/2008 11:05:16 PM | | I still want to see it and am still curious what they did with it but it will be strange without him and sad esp. knowing he won't be there to watch his own permiere. Fortuneately though he's probably got to see clips of the movie while filming. :) | |
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Posted: 1/29/2008 7:21:25 AM |
In some aspects, the whole scenario is almost reminiscent of The Crowe and Bruce Lee's kid.
I don't see the connection.
Brandon Lee was killed DURING the filming of The Crow by the carelessness of the director and the films' armorer.
Heath Ledger died, by his own hand, in NYC AFTER filming ended.
Apples and oranges. | |
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Posted: 1/29/2008 9:19:11 AM | What?!! They do NOT know what killed him. Please stop making assumptions ...or...were you there?
Anyhoo, i dont know if ill be able to see the movie. I was excited before but now, i dunno.
I am drawing conclusions based on facts.
It has been confirmed that several meds were found near his bed, including a prescription sleeping pill. I'm not implying that he was a drug addict who was trying to get high; according to almost every article I've read, it is most likely he accidentally overdosed because he was mixing meds that had a negative chemical reaction to his body. It won't be confirmed 100% for another week or so, but it doesn't take a genius to put 2 and 2 together. Most 28 year old men don't just die in their sleep of natural causes.
It's not the first time something like this has happened in Hollywood and probably won't be the last. What pisses me off is that it could have been avoided. It's common sense: if you are on a sleeping medication, you should NEVER EVER EVER mix it with anything--including other prescriptions, or alcohol. It says so right on the warning labels and also is told by the doctor. The problem is most people don't bother to read or follow through with warnings. But those warnings are there for a reason and people should always read instructions thoroughly and take care to follow them.
Heath was a bright actor who was just coming into his own in the past couple of years; it's a shame that his life was cut short. I think he is going to make a GREAT Joker and I look forward to seeing this film immensely. | |
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Posted: 1/29/2008 11:24:51 AM |
if you are on a sleeping medication, you should NEVER EVER EVER mix it with anything--including other prescriptions, or alcohol.
You're giving me bad ideas already... LOL... | |
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Posted: 1/29/2008 1:37:16 PM | In some aspects, the whole scenario is almost reminiscent of The Crowe and Bruce Lee's kid.
Actually, it's closer to the death of Bruce Lee himself. He was killed from hypersensitivity to the muscle relaxant in Equagesic (a prescription painkiller). If memory serves, it was someone else's prescription that he had borrowed for his headache.
(Can we once again say bad idea?)
He died about three weeks before the opening of "Enter the Dragon," the film that made him a household name.
Moving back to topic.....who's playing Katie Holmes's role in this film? I believe the character name is Rachel......I couldn't STAND her in "Batman Begins" and did a clog dance when I found out she wouldn't be in this one.
I think that she is a completely useless character. I hope they kill her off eventually. | |
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Posted: 1/29/2008 4:06:14 PM | It's more likely Bruce Lee's producer Raymond Chow let him die because he knew his studio Golden Harvest would be screwed once Lee left for Hollywood...why do 15k salary/per film in Hong Kong when Hollywood offers 1-2/per film ?
Chow was present at both incidents May 10th , 1973 (when he showed signs of poisoning & nearly died) & July 20th , 1973 (the day he died)
Chow knew damn well the danger symptoms but didn't care that Lee was dying. | |
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Posted: 1/29/2008 6:38:08 PM |
Moving back to topic.....who's playing Katie Holmes's role in this film? I believe the character name is Rachel......I couldn't STAND her in "Batman Begins" and did a clog dance when I found out she wouldn't be in this one.
I think that she is a completely useless character. I hope they kill her off eventually.
Maggie Gyllenhaal is replacing Holmes.
Frankly...it's NOT an improvement.
Katie Holmes has a cute pixish quality.
Maggie Gyllenhaal has the sex appeal of a wet sponge.
Well..maybe just a damp one...
The women characters in Batman films are there to cut through the homoerotic subtext of the whole production.
A single man..that lives alone in a house...and wears skintight costumes?
Also...when Robin comes into play...that lives w/ a young boy?
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Posted: 1/30/2008 5:47:09 AM |
I don't see the connection.
Brandon Lee was killed DURING the filming of The Crow by the carelessness of the director and the films' armorer.
Heath Ledger died, by his own hand, in NYC AFTER filming ended.
Apples and oranges.
OK, I will spell it out. What I mean is that it is another movie set up for the popularity of a potential cult following due to the fact that the actor died and that the circumstances are open to many possible interpretations of the facts. THAT is where I see the potential for BATMAN going. It gives it rise to potentially launch to a whole new level of status as other movies have done when a major actor in it died.
What pisses me off is that it could have been avoided. It's common sense: if you are on a sleeping medication, you should NEVER EVER EVER mix it with anything--including other prescriptions, or alcohol. It says so right on the warning labels and also is told by the doctor.
a) You don't know that it could have been avoided.
b) You shouldn't talk about things you know little of. Most meds are perfectly safe to use with other meds SO LONG as they are in DIFFERENT catagories, most of the time. MAOs are one big exception. SSRIs can be tricky, some of the diabetic meds, and some of the blood thinners. But don't take two muscle relaxants for instance.
But otherwise you're fine to take a muscle relaxant and a sinus medication and ibuprofen. Take a look at the c ocktail of meds in nyquil alone!
If you start looking closer at OTC meds you will even begin to see meds never recommended together before now together such as tylenol with aspirin with ibuprofen in a migraine pill.
The reason they are safe -- tylenol is handled by the liver, ibuprofen by the kidneys...etc.. so there is no interaction. 10 years ago doctors said this was a no-no but science advances, times change, and so should your knowledge. | |
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Posted: 1/30/2008 8:36:21 AM | You shouldn't talk about things you know little of.
Actually I DO know what I'm talking about. But I'm not going to sit here and list my credentials and I'm tired of arguing this so I'll just move on.......
Maggie Gyllenhall? I actually like her much better as an actress than Katie Holmes. I look forward to seeing her performance in this film. I really wish they'd put Catwoman in there, though...I think she'd make a much better female protaganist than Rachel Dawes (or would it be antagonist? LOL).
How many more films are they going to do, anyway? I had heard only three, but I wasn't sure.
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Posted: 1/30/2008 8:45:28 AM | | I've seen the previews. It looks pretty good. Batman Begins was really good. I didn't like the other series of Batman movies but these Christain Bale versions are much better. | |
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Posted: 1/30/2008 9:09:29 AM |
OK, I will spell it out. What I mean is that it is another movie set up for the popularity of a potential cult following due to the fact that the actor died and that the circumstances are open to many possible interpretations of the facts. THAT is where I see the potential for BATMAN going. It gives it rise to potentially launch to a whole new level of status as other movies have done when a major actor in it died.
Glad you felt the NEED to "spell that out" for me..
Too bad you lacked the ability.
Brandon Lee was a B-movie actor who planned to become an A-list actor if The Crow was successful.
His death was the result of an incompetent person being in charge of the weapons used on the movie set.
And the director's rushing the scenes w/o proper preparation.
The Crow...even after Lee's death was a B-movie that made enough of a return to "inspire" three insipid sequels and a failed television series
Heath Ledger was an A-list (at least an A minus list) actor who was already an established "star" due to the selection of roles he played.
His death was the result of either an accidental overdose or a negative drug interaction (the jury is still out) at the home of a friend.
The Dark Knight is the sequel to a successful blockbuster and would have lent more luster to Ledger's already solid career.
And,barring unforeseen circumstances, The Dark Knight will be as successful (if not more so) than its predecessor.
There's no way the two men (or their lives) can be accurately compared other than the fact that they died prematurely.
If that's the metric that's being used...then Brad Renfro and River Phoenix tragic deaths lend themselves more to successful comparison than Lee's.
Brandon Lee's death is similar (almost) to that of Jon Erik-Hexum, an 80's TV star who was killed in an on-set firearms-related accident.
Like I said...
Apples and oranges | |
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Posted: 1/30/2008 3:38:15 PM | Maggie has the sex appeal of a wet sponge
- I like the substitution of Maggie Gyllenhaal, and that is one helluva sexy sponge....grrrrrrr
- I was thinking that Ledger's death was similar to James Dean more than anyone else..... both died young and right at the start of the peak of their (A-list) careers, and they look similar
- yes they were planning on making it a trilogy and Ledger was signed on for the 3rd, now they will have to re-cast or re-write the script. | |
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Posted: 1/30/2008 10:27:22 PM | As a fan of characters and the franchise I'm not really interested in Ledger's death... It's unfortunate, but doesn't really mean much to me in the context of the movie. Arguing about the specifics of his death is pointless, and merely panders to the Weekly World News junkies.
yes they were planning on making it a trilogy and Ledger was signed on for the 3rd, now they will have to re-cast or re-write the script.
Ah... that's something else that really ticked me off about the original Batman... the phrase "luck of the Devil" applies to the Joker 1000%. The mystique of the character is that his origin is a mystery, and no matter how likely it is that he was killed by something, he probably wasn't. | |
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Posted: 1/30/2008 10:44:16 PM |
Brandon Lee was a B-movie actor who planned to become an A-list actor if The Crow was successful.
His death was the result of an incompetent person being in charge of the weapons used on the movie set.
And the director's rushing the scenes w/o proper preparation.
The Crow...even after Lee's death was a B-movie that made enough of a return to "inspire" three insipid sequels and a failed television series
Heath Ledger was an A-list (at least an A minus list) actor who was already an established "star" due to the selection of roles he played.
His death was the result of either an accidental overdose or a negative drug interaction (the jury is still out) at the home of a friend.
The Dark Knight is the sequel to a successful blockbuster and would have lent more luster to Ledger's already solid career.
And,barring unforeseen circumstances, The Dark Knight will be as successful (if not more so) than its predecessor.
There's no way the two men (or their lives) can be accurately compared other than the fact that they died prematurely.
If that's the metric that's being used...then Brad Renfro and River Phoenix tragic deaths lend themselves more to successful comparison than Lee's.
Brandon Lee's death is similar (almost) to that of Jon Erik-Hexum, an 80's TV star who was killed in an on-set firearms-related accident.
Like I said...
Apples and oranges
Whatever. | |
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Posted: 4/21/2008 4:13:23 PM | im a Joker fan not a batman fan im also a riddler & two-face fan
so when i heard that heath was going to play joker i was skeptical & interested on one hand i couldnt really see heath being the unique demented brillient being that is Joker on the otherhand Heath is a very good actor & very adaptive for his roles which peaked my curiosity than i saw the premier teaser trailer of Batman:The Dark Knight it was the bank robbery scean it was uncut & cant seem to find the trailer even on youtube anyways the way the bank robbery went down i was immediately grabbed by it than at the end when Joker/one of the robbers/heath took off the mask & said his line i was hooked he looked awesome vicious & uniquely psychotic also im curious to see the new two-face aswell all i have to say is
IF YOU GOTTA GO!
GO WITH A SMILE!
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