| is everyone over 30 taking antidepressants? Posted: 12/27/2007 12:31:09 AM | Sorry, I haven't had enough dates and any really bad ex wives and really bad long-term girlfriends from any source including Fish to be depressed about to have a need to take antidepressants! I think that it is over rated and there is too much bogus discussion and speculation about how many people are on antidepressants. what really gets me is that only in major cities does antidepressants get prescribed the most as per inquiries with pharmacy management, shrinks and pharmacists.  | |
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| is everyone over 30 taking antidepressants? Posted: 12/27/2007 1:48:33 AM | | I should be on them but without health insurance i can not afford them. So I try to get by but I get so depressed it feels like I want to just die. not one woman wants a man that feels like that. So what is a man like me supposed to do? | |
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| is everyone over 30 taking antidepressants? Posted: 12/27/2007 1:54:36 AM | I agree with JustJanice (msg 18) -
Most of us do not really NEED the medication. Time, talking with someone and EXERCISE will get you through situational depression. And YES -- I know this for sure as I spent 2 years watching the best thing that had happened to me die. Was I depressed the entire time, not to mention after his death? You bet! It took my 16 months to get off the couch and stop eating -- and after 9 months of thinking I had recovered, it came back with a vengeance. Fortunately, it didn't last as long as the first time. However, I don't think pills are/were the answer.
I may become depressed again -- who knows, but I know people who are still depressed and have been on antidepressants for YEARS. One takes an antidepressant and an anti-anxiety med -- she drools. By themselves, pills aren't the answer -- therapy is also required to really heal. Kathleene, I hope you are in therapy -- and you have to WANT to get better. Only one of the people I know taking antidepressants is in therapy. It won't do any good because they are in denial of their part in their current situation. Part of healing is accepting reality --otherwise one is just spinning one's wheels. | |
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| is everyone over 30 taking antidepressants? Posted: 12/27/2007 2:29:26 AM |
It won't do any good because they are in denial of their part in their current situation. Part of healing is accepting reality --otherwise one is just spinning one's wheels.
But what do you do when the other person has to do the moral equivalent of committing murder in order to get out of it?
Moral systems are no joke. The one I was raised in will kill my mother someday if the SSRIs stop working. My sister drinks her way through it. My brother has finally resigned himself to never having a family. I've settled into being the perpetual bad girl, not because I drink, do drugs, wh*re around, charge thousands on credit cards or any other such thing, but because I don't meet the standards.
Not coincidentally, I'm neither suicidal nor alcoholic, but if you talk to my mother, she'll tell you I'd be better off dead. It's not that she doesn't love me, either, only that she considers my life and priorities so abhorrent that suicide would be preferable. I know she's nuts and so does everyone else, but there's nothing anyone can do about it because as long as there's a glimmer of hope that she'll someday live up to expectations, she'll hang onto it.
She's not stupid, either. Some of you are dependent on technology she helped develop, and I can say that safely because the technology is now ubiquitous. She's an engineer, with an IQ comparable to Einstein or Goethe. Her death will be a horrific loss to more than her immediate family.
So when I get the feeling that her drugs are wearing off, I'm the first on her case to see a doctor for a new prescription, because I see no act on her part that could possibly make her feel better. If she changes, she will feel as guilty as if she committed a violent, senseless crime. She has a conscience. It may not operate the same way most people's does, but she has one and violating it will have the same effect as it would on anyone else. She won't feel better. She'll feel worse.
So it's off to the pharmacist, but at least on meds she functions. If she were to start drinking or, going back in time a bit, taking laudanum, it would be a kind of a death. On SSRIs and Ritalin, she can get up in the morning and go to work. She can live with herself. It's good enough for me.
I don't begrudge people their crutches. We all have them. For some, it's herbs. For some, it's beer. For me, it's a variety of pharmaceuticals, one of which is a low-dose SSRI for pain and another of which can do organ damage over time. It comes down to life being imperfect. We're complex, fragile machines that can break down in so many ways we can't count them all.
As far as the OP is concerned, the childhood she describes would have scrambled her emotional responses, especially when it comes to dealing with stress. SSRIs and therapy are probably her best hope. Kudos for doing what's necessary, and for having to humility to admit you were wrong.
It comes back to moral systems. When we declare an entire class of drugs to be wrong, we put up barriers in front of people who might need them. It's just as destructive as declaring a new drug to be a miracle cure and throwing it by the handfuls at everyone who complains of a little ache or pain. | |
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| is everyone over 30 taking antidepressants? Posted: 12/27/2007 2:40:21 AM | James there are some of us who understand what you are going away and would not turn someone away just because of depression. Don't give up .
By the way james did you know that salmon oil is really great for depression. Try it because it may just work. | |
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| is everyone over 30 taking antidepressants? Posted: 12/27/2007 7:10:31 AM | For those of you saying that a "drug is a drug," though, it is easy to have that attitude when you are not familiar or do not know someone who has chronic, chemically based depression. Many people are depressed for a reason(s) and learn to deal with problems and losses, but for many others, it isn't a matter of pulling themselves out of the depths of despair. My mother has battled this type of depression her whole life, and anti-depressants have given her some semblance of normalcy--now that she is 82 and getting a little senile.
To the OP, though, you need to get yourself off the drugs. Losing people whom one loves is something that we all go through. It is never easy, but by taking anti-depressants, you are not even allowing yourself to mourn and grieve for those who are dead. When you start to wean yourself, the pain comes back because you have never dealt with it. - Gwendolyn2006
This is so true Gwendolyn2006! Doctors are WAY too quick to prescribe a pill for any & every thing these days. Organic depression (being depressed for a reason), is not helped by anti-depressants & it is probably those people who have the most adverse reactions to them. I mean, think about it. Insulin & digoxin save thousands of lives every year, but they are only save when prescribed & used properly. | |
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| is everyone over 30 taking antidepressants? Posted: 12/27/2007 8:03:51 AM |
Organic depression (being depressed for a reason), is not helped by anti-depressants & it is probably those people who have the most adverse reactions to them. I mean, think about it. Insulin & digoxin save thousands of lives every year, but they are only save when prescribed & used properly.
I used to think the same thing Michaelann, and I do btw still agree that far too many people are being perscibed drugs they do not need and should not have. I have however saddly learned from experience that its not true. I know full well the source of my depression and its definately as you define Organic. I know for a fact saddly that had I not been put on anti-depressants I would not have survived there are still days now I question if I was fully off them if I would make it. There is a benifit against the "higher" edges of the depression keeping them in the center.
I'm finally at the point of reducing my dosage and heading to removing them completely, and as much as I dislike them and the pharmacudical industry I can't in honesty not say that. | |
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| is everyone over 30 taking antidepressants? Posted: 12/27/2007 8:11:03 AM | I recently stopped taking paxil and a couple other ones I can't pronounce or spell. Who knows if I'll start back.
Doctors over prescribe meds. One pill I was on, was to help me sleep I just found out. Which is strange, since I told my doctor long ago I sleep too much and DON'T need help with it. Damn dolt. | |
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| is everyone over 30 taking antidepressants? Posted: 12/27/2007 1:00:16 PM | I went to the doctors today after feeling extremely suicidal last night, I have tried to steer away from antidepressants and have never been on them before, but I am afraid of what may happen if I don't take them - I need help.
My depression came on after the death of my mother in August. We were very close and more like sisters. I also got divorced this year. I know lots of people suffer losses but everyone is different and I think what works for you, works for you. We should not knock medication if it saves a life/gets you back on track. I am also going to start counselling and with the two combined, I intend for 2008 to be a great year and I am finally relieved that I am dealing with "my problem".  | |
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| is everyone over 30 taking antidepressants? Posted: 12/27/2007 6:46:34 PM | | Amen , finally someone with the right answer. I have a family member who has been bipolar for so many years. He is good on meds, but has break thrus when he thinks shadows are trying to kill him. Cries for 24 hours over nothing, and at times when he is off the meds I can't get him out of bed. Thank God for the meds. as long as he takes them, he is basically okay. Now remember he has had this psychosis most of his life. We have tried off the meds, yoga, religion, positive thinking, theraphy. | |
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| is everyone over 30 taking antidepressants? Posted: 12/27/2007 7:36:43 PM | | Woman of substance, Its such a sad thing that u have experienced so much loss in ur life, i can see why u need the medication, no one should be expected to go through such loss and suffering without the help of these antidepressants. The meds will help u through and remember at ur age u will most likely be menopausal and that also could be why when u have tried to stop the medication, it all starts again. Im on them and i am menopausal so try to stay on them until this time of change has passed then see ur doctor about some councelling and then when ur ready try to wean off them. If u try while you are menopausal then u will most likely fail to get off them. Thats assuming you are going through menopause. Good luck and may God heal ur heart. | |
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| is everyone over 30 taking antidepressants? Posted: 12/28/2007 4:28:54 AM | Thanks again everyone. Im a bit concerned about nickyr feeling suicidal. So young and beautiful girl, it will pass but if you need help the meds are there. Sometimes it takes a few trials and errors to find the right one for you. And for the guy who said he needs them but cant afford them. Dont you get your medication cheap if your on a low income? We do here thank god. Thats so sad to suffer deppression and money stopping you from getting help that may save your life. Feeling suicidal is the lowest darkest black hole you can be in. I have fought and fought to get out of those holes and it can happen just dont give up coz things can change in a heartbeat. Good stuff can happen again. Try to forget its the holidays and everyone is with people coz thats not true. There are millions of people all alone for the holidays including me. Love to all of you who are suffering ive walked your path with many others. Give your self a hug and imagine its me coz id like to hug you all | |
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| is everyone over 30 taking antidepressants? Posted: 12/28/2007 6:07:27 AM | | I'm concerned about anyone who considers suicide an alternative. If anyone who has added to this thread would like to talk when you are feeling severe bouts of depression I'd be more than happy to talk with you here on this site privately or through personal e-mail. Sometimes you just have to reach out. Help sometimes comes from the most unlikely places. Be strong nicky and womanofsubstance. Try to take one day at a time , and seek the therapy that it best for you regardless of what others might think they know about your situations. I've treated alot of clients in your situations and I know you both can be healed. Take care. | |
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| is everyone over 30 taking antidepressants? Posted: 12/28/2007 6:19:09 AM |
Ok ill ill be the first to admit im on them. It really amazes me how many people are taking them. It makes me feel a bit sad that so many are in need of these drugs. I dont feel ashamed as without them i cry a lot. When my two little sisters died i became an alcoholic and eventually went to detox . Thats when the doc put me on them five years ago. i feel perfectly normal and because i feel so great sometimes ive tried to wean off them. four days after theyre out of my system it starts. All the pain of my sisters and mum and dad dying comes back and im an emotional wreck. How many of you are on them? And how are they going for you?
Antidepressants are probably overprescribed,but they are easier to give than having to spend hours or days w/ a counselor. Or just dealing w/ your problems yourself. While our society has advanced faster than some people are able to deal with,I find it odd that while life overall has grown easier (think of how life was 100+ years ago) the number of people "depressed" has grown exponentially. How did people during the Black Death,slavery or the Holocaust "deal" w/ it??
If you can't function now that you've started taking them...and if you can't stop taking them...you need to consider getting professional help ASAP. | |
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| is everyone over 30 taking antidepressants? Posted: 12/28/2007 7:54:16 AM | See Cocytus that's a bit short sighted honestly. Again I agree they are overperscribed, I agree often people are using them for the easy way out.
No antidepressant should be being perscribed however unless someone is working with someone to address their issues.
That said life hasn't grown easier its grown different. In someways it has actually gotten worse in the past 20 or so years its become likely that people will be less well off then their parents and that's almost unheard of in history.
As for the rest of you questions history provides the answers in saddly painful ways. Research sanitariums and bedlam to get your answer. | |
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| is everyone over 30 taking antidepressants? Posted: 12/28/2007 8:08:06 AM | | Many people don't realize just how destructive depression can be. It's easy to say that people should be able to cope with their depression or other mental health issues if you have'nt experienced it , or if you have no formal education on the subject. I do admit that as a proffessional in the field of mental health I have had clients come to me because they did not want to be medicated , and that drugs for depression and other mental health disorders are way over prescribed. But what works for one does not always work for everyone. Some people have been through such traumatizing things in their life that they do need the help of threrapists. But to anyone that is considering seeking counseling , don't be afraid to ask your counselor questions about their credentials. And if medication is prescribed , do some research on that medication before you attempt to take it. They all have side effects that could cause other problems with your general and mental health. | |
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| is everyone over 30 taking antidepressants? Posted: 12/28/2007 8:15:15 AM |
See Cocytus that's a bit short sighted honestly. Again I agree they are overperscribed, I agree often people are using them for the easy way out.
No antidepressant should be being perscribed however unless someone is working with someone to address their issues.
That said life hasn't grown easier its grown different. In someways it has actually gotten worse in the past 20 or so years its become likely that people will be less well off then their parents and that's almost unheard of in history.
As for the rest of you questions history provides the answers in saddly painful ways. Research sanitariums and bedlam to get your answer.
The word's "prescribed" I have researched mental illness. Bedlam (a hospital in England) and sanitariums were mainly used for people who showed visible signs of mental illness (hallucinations,hearing voices,etc) and not for the classes of people that are using the mental health services of today.
I find it difficult to believe that it's any harder to do deal w/ issues today when 100 years ago:
1) People lived w/ relatives until they died (in the same house and sometimes in the SAME ROOM) 2) Routinely witnessed public executions and lynchings 3) could expect to live 20 years les 9and in worse physical condition) than people of today 4) Would likely never go farther in their lives than where they were born (either in location or class status)
All of these items are more than anything experienced by most people today. I think that most people can "suck it up" after some counseling w/o the use of drugs. | |
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| is everyone over 30 taking antidepressants? Posted: 12/28/2007 8:48:22 AM | Ohhhh is it now??? *LAUGHS*
I'll give you three quick pointers of reality when it comes to spelling especially english.
1) Spelling in english at least is really just convention after centuries of oral only tradition and thousands of phonetic spellings it came down to the runners of the presses getting tired of having to reset presses for every region. It continues today between the US and England for example. Personally I love driving spelling mavens nuts.
2) I type way too fast and respond to way too much while doing waaaaay to many things, so as long as my spelling is clear enought to be understood which is 99% of the time, I'm fine with it I don't really care if you are :)
3) The majority of time when someone harps on spelling its because their arguement has no wieght behind it anyway.
You haven't researched mental illness to any serious degree or you wouldn't have posted what you have. The natures of mental illness have been under discussion for millenia and are documented both in their more active and in their passive symptoms. Your choice to refer only to those who had visible signs ignores the countless number who was also just placed their by their families, or by the crown to remove enemies. Which granted is beside the point. My reason for mentioning them was to point out that people have had trouble coping with life since time immemorial for example from Wikipedia just because it was easy.
With the first "great civilization," that of the Ancient Egyptians, came the first signs of change in the treatment of the mentally ill. Egypt, like the early stone-age societies (and indeed most societies for the next 3-and-a-half millennia), regarded mental illness as magical or religious in nature. Egyptian psychiatric theory was deeply rooted in the Egyptian conception of the self – the khat (the body), the ka (one’s guardian spirit, who guides the individual to the afterlife), and the ba (symbolized by a bird carrying the key to eternity, which leaves the body after death and resides in heaven), all playing their part in the cyclical nature of life and death[citation needed]. The societal obsession with death and life after death meant that the health of the mind or soul played an essential part in one’s overall health. In Ancient Egypt the first known psychiatric text (written around 20th century BC which explains the causes of "hysteria"), the first known mental hospital (a temple complex near modern Saqqara which is thought to be meant for the treatment of the mentally ill), and the first known mental physician are found in history
Your choice to see life in only one vantage point is of course your right but one could easily show how even through your examples life was "easier" back then for example
1) People lived w/ relatives until they died (in the same house and sometimes in the SAME ROOM) And so they did not deal with the isolation, and disconnectedness most people feel in modern society often feeling detatched from everything around them.
2) Routinely witnessed public executions and lynchings And so felt safer seeing justice done.
4) Would likely never go farther in their lives than where they were born (either in location or class status) And so were able to feel a connection to all those around them and know their place and purpose without fear of being out of work and without a home and without friends. | |
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| is everyone over 30 taking antidepressants? Posted: 12/28/2007 9:00:17 AM | | Centuries ago psychologists and psychiatrists knew very little about the human brain and its functions. It has taken years of research and clinical experiments to come to the conclusions that we come to today in the field of mental health. Centuries ago , people were locked in assylums because psychologists and psychiatrists were still learning about the huamn brain and its association with mental illness. We are'nt living in the dark ages anymore. | |
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| is everyone over 30 taking antidepressants? Posted: 12/28/2007 9:02:28 AM | ^^^^^^^
Wow...you missed the entire point of my posting. And I find it hard to take seriously somebody who doesn't take the time to spell check their postings. It's sign that they they're either lazy or lack competence. And FYI..mental illness HASN'T been "studied" for millennia...(another misspelling,BTW) Serious research into mental illness has only taken within the last two hundred years. Check your facts on that one,sport.
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| is everyone over 30 taking antidepressants? Posted: 12/28/2007 9:31:36 AM | Ohh you poor poor lad you just don't get it either...
You can take me seriously or not, it won't change the facts in your favor. The general rule to follow neighbor is to debate the facts and arguements not the individual. Attacking the individual and nitpicking shows a weakness in your arguements showing a lack of competence. Okay let me get this straight I give you a direct quote and example that mental illness was noted and studied in Ancient Egypt, which by the way had quite a bit of advanced medical knowlege using embalming techniques which we've only recently matched, and you tell me no it hasn't? Then you tell me to check my facts?
The fact is that mental illness's while not perhaps attributed to their correct cause were noted, pursued, treated since ancient egypt. While the greatest strides are only in the last 200 years that does not negate their original work. Its much like saying surgery is only 200 years old when we know that the greeks were doing it in the time of Hippocrates.
As you say don't put it out there. You're WAY off the topic and your way off the facts.
If anything your view of mental illness is about 200 years behind. | |
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| is everyone over 30 taking antidepressants? Posted: 12/28/2007 9:36:28 AM | "I'm way over 30 and the only anti-depressants I've ever been on were Hawaiian Shirts. I'll notice that when I'm depressed, I start wearing gray. Then I'll go buy some bright colored Hawaiian shirts and it'll turn things right around. Now-a-days I wear orange socks every day and it keeps me from getting depressed."~ Lario
Lario, if you're serious, this is very awesome! | |
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| is everyone over 30 taking antidepressants? Posted: 12/28/2007 9:43:10 AM | | The only medication I use is alcohol. Fortunately for me, I haven't become addicted as a result. And no, I don't consider myself to have more willpower or self discipline than those that do become addicted, just more fortunate not to have the genetic make up to be more susceptible to addiction. | |
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| is everyone over 30 taking antidepressants? Posted: 12/28/2007 10:00:06 AM | | i know several people who are on them, or who have been on and off, on and off. once upon a time, years back, a therapist i was seeing recommended them. but i said no, and i worked with other methods. i have been through "situational" depression, which means, there is a situation in your life that is causing the depression, like having to care take for an elderly parent or some other situation that disrupts your whole life. i do believe the times we are living in aren't easy either. so, for those who are interested, some of the things i have used (successfully) are flower essences, a spiritual mantra practice, and EFT (emotional freedom technique; i am a facilitator of this ). a good therapist can also be invaluable -- i happened to find one, and she is very, very good. i am not one for a lot of "talk" therapy; this therapist both listens and gives very practical strategies for whatever you are dealing with, so that you can get on with your life. | |
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