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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 8/25/2007 9:40:54 PM | quazyguy says:
Finally, it tells men to not worry or care about whether sex happens or not and just enjoy yourself, your companion, and the surrounding circumstances. Of course, sex is definitely important, but as the name of this site reminds us, there are Plenty Of Fish.
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 8/25/2007 9:49:14 PM | Straight up bro. These guys are fools. Mr. Nice guy always finishes last. **** funny is what most women want. They want confidence and laughs. These fools are just ignorant. You got to be witty and down for your shit. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 8/25/2007 10:38:27 PM | Ahem.. Calling all the brainwashed members of Devil De Angelos cult. Listen very carefully,.. i have read all 18 pages of this thread,.. and the overall impression i get is this. Even when women and some men are telling you that they do NOT like the techniques Mr C**** applies. you shrug it off and insist that it works. I am British. We wrote the rule book on subtle sarcasm and suave c****iness. believe me, Mr de Angelo is a ham fisted amatuer.
A 2nd rate salesman, peddling 2 rate cure all's.
Believe me gentlemen, women of substance, wit, and self assurance will not be affected or manipulated with this terribly simplistic reverse psychology. Do I look like I want to be teased? Would you dare? Do I look like I want a man to 'draw me in' and 'push me away' ? Oh please, its all rather rather pathetic. Know this, a lot of ladies can spot this a mile off. It will not increase your chances. Women are more Machiavellian then Mr de Angelo caters for.
This psuedo psychology may work on a rather drunk 20 year old, and if thats what you want, thats fine.. have your jolly fun,.. but even the drunken 20 year old wont fall for it many times.
really, you're all embarrassing yourselves here. And please, dont be tempted to post a response that 'teases' me or patronises me. i can assure you it wont work, I shall not rise to your unappealing bait. I thank you, DA. x | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 8/25/2007 11:00:55 PM |
This psuedo psychology may work on a rather drunk 20 year old, and if thats what you want, thats fine.. have your jolly fun,.. but even the drunken 20 year old wont fall for it many times.
really, you're all embarrassing yourselves here. And please, dont be tempted to post a response that 'teases' me or patronises me. i can assure you it wont work, I shall not rise to your unappealing bait. I thank you, DA. x
Ahhh. Sure. Your loss. But why be so angry? | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/6/2007 5:47:43 PM | Devils Advocate,
I could not agree with you more. Disciples of dating gurus are embarrasing to themselves and others who see them.
As a man, I cannot imagine approaching a woman as anything other than myself.
I find it intriguing that the DDA fans all use the same words over and over again (and apply it to others). Wuss is my favorite. I guess I wuss is a guy who needs to buy a book to tell him how to meet women. However did people get together before the printing press????
Another idea they push is that women like "bad boys." Hmmmm, I agree with that except to me a "bad boy" is a guy who thinks for himself. Therefore, you can have "bad boys" in any profession. I have known guys who were thought of as rebels for the way they practice law, accounting, science . . . A Harley is just a toy anyone can buy.
Devils Advocate, you called it for what it is! | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/7/2007 7:29:33 AM |
David DeAngelo would not be making well in excess of 6 million dollars a year if he was pedalling products that didn't give results.
Source? Not to call you out at all...but I'd love to know why and to whom, if it is true, he would disclose such personal info.
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/7/2007 9:19:01 AM | It's what I've been told by one of the other leading figures in the dating/relationship community whom he's interviewed in the past for his DYD series. I don't know how close they are/were, and I have only his word for it, so I can't give any concrete evidence.
I do know that when I last checked he gives a 200% kickback for successful referrals on his Double your Dating eBook. If he can get so many eBook customers to purchase his more expensive products that a 200% kickback is a viable business model despite the possible exploits, then I imagine he's making a very healthy profit indeed. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/7/2007 10:50:53 AM | | The only thing I have to say about any of this is that the only thing anyone can do is to be their best self and be interesting, cool and the centre of your own reality... do that and you will be more sucessfull with everything... thats what all these things say... | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/7/2007 4:03:44 PM | What does the fact that David DeAngelo makes $XXX have to do with anything? Jeff Skilling made a ton of money running ENRON, but I don't know anyone in business who would want to emulate his tactics.
In reality, its pitiful that some men feel the need to read books / watch videos in order to have the confidence to interact with women. Probably a doctor and a dose of Prozac would be more helpful. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/8/2007 2:21:22 PM |
Ahem.. Calling all the brainwashed members of Devil De Angelos cult. Listen very carefully,.. i have read all 18 pages of this thread,.. and the overall impression i get is this. Even when women and some men are telling you that they do NOT like the techniques Mr C**** applies.
you did better than me, I made it through the first five pages or so, but it is obvious the women hate him and many of the guys swear by his techniques. I have never purchased any of his material, but I signed up for another online dating site which has given me the privilege of receiving a bunch of his newsletters and tip on how to pick up women. My impression is that most of it is just common sense, and at least in his newsletters he re-hashes the same points over and over and just changes the wording. Basically he teaches men how to do what used to be called "flirting" ever heard of it? Yep, that is so harmful to the womens cause to teach men how to flirt with them, and they are all now going to bend to his will and become a bunch of sluts because of his ground breaking revolutionary techniques in how to manipulate women. Oh, he also tells men not to act like needy stalkers, i.e. wusses, around women, which he calls "one-itis", kinda a creative term for needy stalker. He tells men not to do things like call women 10 times a day after first meeting them, etc. Now is that really so bad? | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/8/2007 4:26:18 PM | Marco you are very right on the money. It is 90% common sense and I'm amazed at how many guys actually do not have that.
I dated a guy not too long ago that seemed to be following some sort of 'system'. It was weird. It was not a naturally developing relationship and I got very bored of it in three weeks and stopped returning his calls. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/8/2007 5:31:40 PM | I would like to point out that if any person that has a full proof system on anything will never sell the entire system. Regardless of how much people a willing to pay.
lol swspice, did you have to slow down for the guy and say something like are "you on step 12 yet or should I wait until you get there?" lol
In this world of quick ad-libs, keeping scores and what the other person thinks driven attitudes, people seem to forget that this thing of dating is a very natural instinctive process.
First thing is to start living your life to the max, making decisions where you have no regrets, becoming all that you can be. Once you start realising such simple life goals your "communication" gets better because it is cleaner.
This is not difficult. Sure you may have go against what the media and society say you must be. But life is an adventure. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/8/2007 6:34:28 PM | I used to read his stuff and even though some of it was good, a lot of it was not great. All he really says is to be funny and confident. That is true and it works.
What does not work is the type of thinking that it promotes. If you can't attract a woman, you will think it is your fault because of some piece of the puzzle that you are missing, and not because it was something you can't control. I used to think like this.
If you are confident, then there will not be much need to read how to get a date books.
If you can't attract a woman, you can't attract her. There won't be any book or video or guru that can help you out.
There are just a few basic things you need to do to attract a woman:
be confident
be funny
a bit challenging
work out
get a good job
learn an instrument
get a hobby
meet more people to meet more people
don't focus on getting laid, a date, married, ect...
live life to the fullest
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/9/2007 4:44:35 PM |
What does not work is the type of thinking that it promotes. If you can't attract a woman, you will think it is your fault because of some piece of the puzzle that you are missing, and not because it was something you can't control. I used to think like this.
Partially true, but I wonder how many times a lady will initially be attracted to a man, at least enough to consider him and give him a chance, but when he approaches her (or fails to because he is shy and unsure), he messes up and ruins any initial attraction she had for him. He may come across to her as a bore or a dork or even a creep simply because he lacks the basic social skills that DeAngelo teaches in his newsletters. For that reason I think that women have little to fear from this guy. I doubt he is going to turn many "normal" guys into big time players, deciding to be a player or not is a personal choice the guy makes. More DeAngelo he will teach many socially inept guys how to interact on a level that the women expect men to.
Another thing is that we all have to be players in a sense, even if our ultimate goal is a LTR. Dating is a numbers game, especially with online dating you may have to go through 100 interactions to find one woman who is compatible(and women wonder why so many guys write form letters). Are you being a "player" by going out on the town and getting a dozen phone numbers? What if you are new to an area, you are in your 30's and you either don't know alot of people or your friends are married with 2.5 kids, living in the burbs, etc.? You have to do things like go out dancing, joining clubs, doing online dating, and talking to women whenever the opportunity presents itself if you are going to put the odds of meeting the right person in your favor.
Now if you get a bunch of contacts, what you do with those contacts depends on whether you are a player or not. If your intention is to have a revolving door of women you are sleeping with for the indefinite future, then you are a player, but if your intention is to date a bunch of women and find one good one who likes you for a LTR, I don't consider that being a player, I consider that maximising your options so you don't settle for someone you are not very compatible with.
I don't think that many women realize this is the kind of effort an average guy has to put in to find someone. I am starting my own business, and since I am not an alpha male I certainly don't have time to be a player considering I would have to make it a full time job to do all this. Now if you are an alpha male and look like Brad Pitt, that is a completely different story, but I am not in that top 2%tile of people or I would have had women on POF all over me without me having to make any effort whatsoever, but for the average guy in his thirties women just don't fall out of trees onto his lap, he has to be proactive.
Back to my original point, true that if she is not attracted to him in the first place and he comes onto her he will be a "loser" or a "creep" in her eyes no matter what he says. He may have not read her body language before the approach, which is something else DeAngelo discusses in his newsletters(I think DeAngelo calls this "Indications of Interest"). However, I think it is easy for a guy to ruin an interaction with a woman even if she is initially attracted to him. There are many men out there who are average looking but still have trouble getting dates even when they want to date, and I think this is his target market. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/11/2007 5:19:03 PM | This has been one of the most enjoyable threads I have read in a long time. The interplay of good advice, ignorance, opinion and even a little philosophy is great.
Let me set some points about myself first:
I have only read a few of DD's newsletters.
I can get dates when I get out there and apply myself.
I DO have some insecurities and confidence issues, but not in all areas of life or even dating.
That said, I'm gonna single some folks out.
Simply Peachy - You are cute and seem to have a sense of humor. Whether your posts were made seriously or satirically, reading them was fun (but not terribly helpful)
Makingupaname - Your posts were a delight to read. Considerate and well thought out. Thank you.
Jarbarian - You do tend to beat a dead horse in your arguments, but I can see where you are coming from. Now, speaking as someone who is still becoming learned in psychology, I disagree with a few fundamental things you say-
Yes, confidence and insecurity are big issues, especially in the male mind, and yes if you try to mask them most women will be able to see through you. No, seeking DD's or anyone else’s advice does not mean you need to come see a shrink.
If DD helps you get a number, or even a nice date, then that will automatically help buoy your confidence, even if it is just one g-rated date. And, it is not only possible, but likely that a man has enough confidence in himself to keep a relationship going once it’s started, but not have the confidence to start one. I agree though that if a man is so badly insecure that he would not be able to maintain a relationship with a woman who is genuinely interested, DD's advice probably won't help much. However, I don't think this to be the case with most, and does not warrant such strong emphasis on not 'putting the cart before the horse'.
There is nothing wrong with a crutch. A crutch is a device intended to help someone move about while they mend, and meant to be discarded once they are better. DD is meant to assist men in the dating world until they understand their own behaviors and women's reactions to them, then they can ditch ***** & funny for whatever style they like best, if even they went with that style at all in the first place.
As for relationships, that is entirely unrelated to dating. Period. If you are having problems with relationships, see a different guru. If it is a serious problem, seek a counselor. DD is for getting things started only; the most you would need to say about relationships is that he will not prepare you for them if you are unready in the first place.
Also keep in mind that traditional monogamous relationships aren’t the only ones. Some people do honestly prefer just dating around, or keeping things casual. There really is little need to constantly harp on DD's reported lack of relationship oriented material.
And now, some of the sentiments expressed here that have made me grin:
Be yourself ....unless yourself is insecure, then change yourself.
Be confident. No, no, don't try to use anything that might help you gain confidence, just be it. Right now. Go on, do it.
Because I have a philosophical difference with what I have read or heard about, or worse, misunderstand it, I will now call it evil/wrong/ineffective/ etc. No, I don't want to discuss why I think the way I think, I just do.
To men in general: Treat women with respect and don’t lie, etc etc etc. Realize however, you WILL at times in your life, even by the one you love, be disrespected, lied to, and be the recipient of irrational behavior. This is basic human behavior. You will need to learn to cope. Try your best to learn how women work, and while you may need to employ 'tricks' to live with them, do it as one who wishes to stay with your loved one out of love, not as one seeking to use another for their own gain alone.
To women in general: Yes, the ideal is to be honest and genuine. Please try to stick to that for us. Women can be as shallow and manipulative as men. That said, sometimes even loving, intelligent, good men and women can behave in ways that are senseless. If you meet a man who is insecure - cherish him, he is being himself. If you meet a man who is
***** and creepy - be kind to him because he is either trying to become better and hasn't gotten it, or is suffering worse than the insecure man. And if you find your perfect man - keep in mind he probably wasn't always perfect. He was probably once insecure, and once a creep, and has had to mature.
Basically, I know that people have biases, preferences, and attitudes that screen out some mates that would be perfect for them. I have them too. Getting past these automatic, superficial defenses is not wrong, because once I have started chatting up a girl and we actually have the opportunity to have a real conversation we can decide with more informed opinions.
From what I have read of all the posts the sum is this:
DD is an ice breaker, not a conversation.
DD is a date (or couple of dates), not a relationship
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/14/2007 12:40:09 AM | i have the dvd's and all of the audio books. i downloaded them off the bit torrent sites.. just wanna say..it is all good.. but why not just try and understand yourself.. what do you like and what would you expect from others.. how would you like this and that.. because this is what everyone wants and feels.. what tools do you already have.. you can watch the dvd's and all the rest, and it might help you to realize that your not alone in the search for love.. i found that dd teaches basically how to score.. anyone can score.. that isn't going to solve your problem.. we are designed with a natural desire to be loved, or atleast get a feeling of it.. and scoring is just an emptiness that even dd's advice can't fill. the reason you are here is to find the love of your life.. if it was anything less. you wouldn't waste your time reading what others say in reply to your post.. you would be self consumed.. so in asking the advice and opinions of your peers.. you are receptive to solid advice.. forget dd''s audio.. use what you have already.. some girls will think you are a loser.. thats cool.. everyone has an opinion.. that doesn't make them right.. its just their right to have an opinion.. you don't have to own it.. but in the end.. some girls might think what you have is cute.. and thats your edge or in .. its not about scheming and learning what is the best way to get a girl.. its about finding that special someone that will make you forget to breathe.. just for a split second.. who on earth can teach you that.. think about it.. have fun.. love is supposed to be fun and exciting.. it was never intended to be a lesson.. its a lifstyle shared by two people.. you stumble on to it..lol.. and thats cool...wow..  dale | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/16/2007 4:09:16 PM | Hi everyone, I'm new to POF.
I am female and I've actaully read the DYD ebook and watched some of his Body Language DVD (this was too long and stopped around halfway through the 2nd DVD). David D is kinda related to the Seduction/PUA Community so there's a lot I could say on this but will try not to.
As a girl, I can see how this can work and wouldn't work. One of the big things in the Seduction Community is that what a girl SAYS she wants doesn't always translate to what she actaully wants - I think this is partially true. If you read DYD and David D's newsletters, I think some of his techniques do work to getting a girl. Some techniques seem better than others but it's up to the guy to decide what he chooses to take from this and what he doesn't. A lot of the newsletters focus (and the Community in general) on f-closing the girl - so much is about getting laid. But in terms of attraction I actaully support some of David D's stuff. I've had some of it done on me and it works. I've seen it used on other girls and it works. It might not work with EVERYONE but it does produce results.
Like someone said before (I only read about 2 pages) it is a life altering thing. The main picture is for a guy to gain confidence and boost his self-esteem. Add the C&F and you have a guy that teases the girl a lot, and it works for me. I don't want some insecure guy that can hardly get the words out off his mouth talking to me. I like the guy that has confidence, he can talk to me, and provides a little bit of a challenge. David D teaches guys to change to be like this.
Again, I'm not saying that everything is golden, but if a guy can pick what works and use it for whatever goal he has in mind it can happen. It just happens that for most (not all, but most) guys the goal happens to be sex and that's what they use it for. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/17/2007 8:59:23 AM |
It is war, when men make profit off of using women. (simplypeachy)
I hear you. I hear you. Let's burn Cosmo. (OutMind)
The same type girl, who goes for c0cky neanderthal types, is the same girl pushing to castrate Deangelo.
Like Cosmo, and a horde of other womens magazines takes on dating, DD has information that is useful, and like anything in life, one should take what they feel they need and leave the rest.
Womens independance has brought about a new breed of men, some lacking the fortitude or charisma to entertain "cosmos girls". Few instruments have done for women what Cosmo and other womens magazine writers have done. Suffice to say, men ought to have a source of information about women and what it is their experience has shown. DD may not be 100% right, but then, I've read Cosmo a few times too.   | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/17/2007 11:24:01 AM |
Be yourself ....unless yourself is insecure, then change yourself.
No one has said that. What they mean is that if you are being insecure you are not being yourself. They are saying that if you are insecure, you should stop that and start being yourself.
That being said, feeling insecure is an emotion and not a definition of character. Even if it is a definition of character, it would vanish when you strongly embrace your more positive traits and get a stronger definition of who they are.
Be confident. No, no, don't try to use anything that might help you gain confidence, just be it. Right now. Go on, do it.
Confidence should never come from anyone but yourself. It also shouldn't come from any kind of "technique" you use to meet and date women. If you believe in yourself, you will do all those "techniques" naturally.
A woman who is now a good friend of mine (and is 13yrs my senior) complimented me on how I approached her. She said she liked it and that it took a lot of confidence. All said was "hey, my name is MDNinja, and my friend here is terrible at introducing people." *she was a friend of his*
Another time, I met a woman at the mall, I showed her how to play sonic the hedge hog. I pretty much just went up to her and said "you are doing that ALL wrong. let me show you." I tell you what, I finished that level in 2 minutes and she oooo'd and awwwed so many times, we had to have a cigarette after words.
Now one might say that I used this technique or that technique, but the truth is that I was just confident and in the moment. Any "technique" that I used was just a natural extention of being secure in myself. I wasn't thinking of being c & f or using something I read off of the internet.
If you have to employ tactics, techniques, ect... then you have to ask yourself, "does she like me or my techniques?"
I can tell you right now that NONE of the best PUA's are looking anything up on the web. What they are doing however, is going out and living their life. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/18/2007 12:57:41 PM | insecurity is a part of one's self just as much as confidence, arrogance, etc.
People seem to be touting 'your true self' as the shining product that is left after all negative things are taken away. A person is made of positive and negative features, the interplay of which is what makes them interesting.
As for confidence ..it is a learned attribute for both positive and negative, not inate. In Psychology a person can become crippled if the feedback from the world tells them they are not able to affect an outcome. Similarly, people use positive feedback to gauge thier competence.
If you better yourself by emulating confident behavior then you will grow into the behavior you emulate. IE 'you' and the 'technique' become one.
Many of th ebest PUA's had to learn the hard way and through observation. Internet reaserch is condensed observation.
If for some reason you have had something damage your confidence, rebuild it. For those who say not to, I suggest next time you break a limb, go without PT or a cast and just be yourself. I am sure you will be stronger for it...if the limb heals, but those who accept help will become stronger more quickly. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/18/2007 1:16:50 PM | I have a CD set of his and the insight and advice is really good. Dont listen to anyone who tells you that its bullsh*t. The only one who can think that is you. So dont let other people make up your mind for you. Not every guy is the same. Some guys have it when it comes to women and some guys have to learn it. Theres nothing wrong with it. So next time some idiot tells you that its bullsh*t tell it to p*ss off. I have used some of his techniques and with very good success, on the first night of meeting a lady we had a lot of fun and well lets just say things got very physical.
David De Angelo teaches guys how and what women are attracted to and how to capitalize one it.  | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/27/2007 3:16:44 AM | | i have the dvd's and all of the audio books. i downloaded them off the bit torrent sites.. just wanna say..it is all good.. but why not just try and understand yourself.. what do you like and what would you expect from others.. how would you like this and that.. because this is what everyone wants and feels.. what tools do you already have.. you can watch the dvd's and all the rest, and it might help you to realize that your not alone in the search for love.. i found that dd teaches basically how to score.. anyone can score.. that isn't going to solve your problem.. we are designed with a natural desire to be loved, or atleast get a feeling of it.. and scoring is just an emptiness that even dd's advice can't fill. the reason you are here is to find the love of your life.. if it was anything less. you wouldn't waste your time reading what others say in reply to your post.. you would be self consumed.. so in asking the advice and opinions of your peers.. you are receptive to solid advice.. forget dd''s audio.. use what you have already.. some girls will think you are a loser.. thats cool.. everyone has an opinion.. that doesn't make them right.. its just their right to have an opinion.. you don't have to own it.. but in the end.. some girls might think what you have is cute.. and thats your edge or in .. its not about scheming and learning what is the best way to get a girl.. its about finding that special someone that will make you forget to breathe.. just for a split second.. who on earth can teach you that.. think about it.. have fun.. love is supposed to be fun and exciting.. it was never intended to be a lesson.. its a lifstyle shared by two people.. you stumble on to it..lol.. and thats cool...wow.. dale | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/27/2007 5:57:10 AM |
David DeAngelo would not be making well in excess of 6 million dollars a year if he was pedalling products that didn't give results
A product doesnt have to give results to earn money.
All u have to do is give the appearance it does.
You make money by finding wat ppl want and selling them a product that they think works.
ie. Anti-aging products are a billion dollar business worldwide but the products do absolutely nothing.
Infomercials run for hours with ppl swearing these products work & sumtimes these ppl actually believe the products do.
DeAngelo aka Eben W. Pagan was a real estate and mortgage broker but first found real success in training real estate professionals how to use direct marketing to build sales leads.
Umm....that TELLS u wat the guy specialises in.
And THATS WHY the guy is making money, it has nothing to do with the product.
Women & Sex
Sumtimes I give men waaay tooo much credit for intelligence.
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