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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/27/2007 10:45:11 AM | I'm well aware of his background and real name, as I imagine are many of the others here who are familiar with his stuff.
You can't tell if anti-aging cream works till you've been using it ten years and find that you look older. A product like many of his though, sold purely on informational contact and with a full money back guarantee, will fall flat on it's face if nobody finds it to be of any use. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/27/2007 2:19:14 PM | ^^^RE: MY msg #450 and #451 for anyone following the thread
It comes back to the old "give the ppl wat they want"
A product like many of his though, sold purely on informational contact and with a full money back guarantee, will fall flat on it's face if nobody finds it to be of any use
If u give the perception of honesty (full money back guarantee) & ppl sum how think its a sure thing...how can I lose they say?
The odd one or two thousand that return a product will not impact the argued amount of 6 million dollars.
So wat if u even had to return 2 million of it, u still get 4.
Thats good business practice not good product.
U use a stage name because ur puttin on a show, u do it to give the right feel & hype the incentive. Create a mob mentality over sumthing that makes ppl feel good or desperately want.
David Copperfield aka David Seth Kotkin puts on a show, but it doesnt mean he's actually doing magic.
Sales Sales Sales Sales!!!!
Oh yeah & as far as 10yrs worth of Anti Aging products goes, well thats 10 YEARS of CASH sum1 else is makin
This is not a personal comment to you SK, for others just keep in mind that;
There will always b ppl who give their last breath to vehemently argue a product bcos ppl have egos & pride & ultimately dont wanna feel used or like an idiot while sumone else gets rich.
And THAT is the magic of marketing. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/27/2007 7:31:59 PM | While I didn't take the time to read all the posts in this thread, 452 message is a lot, I have been an observer in the PUA community.
The books and tapes and what not that these members of the Pick Up Artist community sell aren't really designed to "pick up chicks". They are ultimately designed to increase your confidence in yourself. They give you material so you don't have to fumble around when trying to come up with something to say. You have something already that you can use. So you use it, have a little bit of success, and you ultimately feel a whole lot better about yourself. You then capitalize on those gains by going out again and again -- meeting more and more women and then you'll, with a little patience and perseverance, become comfortable enough in yourself to at least talk to most any girl you interact with.
They are simply trying to help you how to get out of your own way, which is incredibly difficult for shy guys to do.
That at least what it appears to be from where I'm sitting. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/28/2007 1:54:17 PM | | If anyone gets laid like a rock star, they either ask for the stds they have from the groupies or they get served papers accusing them of a paternity matter later on. Enjoy. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 10/4/2007 5:28:39 AM | WHAT DOES DD OFFER?
David DeAngelo and a select few others similar authors offer men a way to improve themselves. They provide a sort of "social education" tailored to men and male psyche.
Since writing his book, he has reworked his material (based on feedback and testing of this methods) and his most recent stuff, in the form of video seminars, is where all the actual bread and butter is. So, I am not only referring to the book but his entire collection of material. I have also found Neil Strauss, Juggler, Gunwitch and other similar authors offer good ideas and insight. I’ve adopted views, and approaches from off all of the above and DeAngelo definitely ranks up there for me.
DOES THIS STUFF WORK? CAN ANYONE VOUCHE?
There was a poster out there who asked whether any man has benefited from DD's material. I for one have benefited immensely. I have had more success with women in the past two years (since picking up his material and the material of other similar authores) then I have all the other years of my life put together. Every person has a different definition of success. My success is that I have met, dated, and have gotten romantically involved with women who I find attractive on all levels (intellectually, spiritually, and physically). I now have a larger social circle then I’ve ever dreamed. I am more confident. I seem to attract women more naturally. It didn’t happen over night, it’s been a slow and sometimes frustrating process, but I have seen and am satisfied with the improvements. In previous years of my life, I had only been met with rejection from women, and the classic "I only see you as a friend". Not anymore...
IS THIS ALL ABOUT PICKUP LINES?
Both DD's eBook and Neil's “The Game” were written 2-3 years ago. DD’s book was probably written 4-6 years ago. Both books offer some insight for males, but you MUST understand that since then, both of these guys have modified their material. Since their books came out these guys have had a chance to interact with thousands of men, who in-turn have given them valuable feedback. I've seen an evolution of their teachings and material.
DD now admits that his original book “Double Your Dating” has many recommendations, like acting "c-o-c-k-y and funny" etc., that actually served to men as a crutch. He didn't realize it at the time, but as time went on, and as he received more feedback, and as he was given a chance to interact with the guys who were learning this stuff he realized for most guys these were crutches because they had a much more deep rooted problem. Some of the approaches he recommends in the original book are ment to “emulate” confidence, or actions that a confident, well rounded man would take. The problem for most of his clients is their lack of confidence, bravado, savvy, masculinity, and experience that a TRUE healthy well rounded male has. In other word these techniques help you ACT more like a healthy, confident, well-rounded male, but they do not address the issue of the much more deep rooted problem.
Well luckily for us guys both DD and Neil have tackled these issues once they realized that this was the case. DD has teamed up with a psychologist and come out with a program called "how to be a man" and also "Deep Inner Game". Both programs dive deep into the male psyche and help explain and decompose what makes a truly healthy, what you might call "alpha" male. The type that seem naturally attract women (almost effortlessly and without any cheesy pickup lines), and also the type that seems to naturally lead men. These later programs don't offer quick solutions, rather roadmaps for you to follow so you can "change course", correct bad mental habits, and begin the process of building confidence, and basically become a better person.
I honestly think this stuff should be taught at High Schools and colleges. It really opened my eyes.
WHO NEEDS TO LEARN THIS STUFF?
You would be surprised. Men like me! Which I think are in the majority rather then the minority. Let me put it to you this way. As we men go through life, some of us, for one reason or another naturally become healthy well rounded males. Just by the mere course our lives take, and the people that surround us (friends, brothers, father figures) we learn to attract women, or become of the type of men that women are naturally attracted to. Others like myself aren't that lucky.
Now keep in mind one thing, everything in life is learned. Everyone on here has gone through life experience various forms of stimulation. You have gone through life picking and choosing from what you have read/heard/seen/and lived and decided what ideas, views, and behavior patterns you will make your own, and accept.
When you're born your mind is a blank sheet. Your parents and family members pour their views into you. As you grow older you begin to branch out from their views as you begin to receive other forms of stimulation such as school, television, friends, etc. eventually as you grow older your views become totally independent from that of your parents. You may even grow to take on totally different and opposing views from that of your fathers.
Keeping this in mind, why is it so hard to believe that becoming a healthy attractive, confident, male cannot also be learned or developed through some sort of process? Many guys like me, didn't pick this up naturally.
I remember a classic example of man seeking help from Neil. He was a very successful doctor, probably in his mid 40's, Australian, and I would say above average looking. He explained that he had lived all of his life buying into the fallacy that if you work hard, study, and become successful in your career, the women will naturally fall into place. After many years of hard work and study he woke up one day and realized that this wasn't just working, so he flew to LA to seek Neil's help and his love life has improved tenfold.
THIS STUFF WON'T WORK ON INTELLIGENT WOMEN:
As much as you might not like to believe, DD and Neil’s material work even BETTER on highly educated intelligent women. Let me make my point. Highly educated intelligent women may be very book smart, but they lack something the so called bimboes and party chicks don't, social experience. They lack "combat experience". While you "intelligent" women were locked up in the library, the party chicks were out learning how to navigate the party scenes and diverse social situations. They were getting valuable life experience and becoming veterans of the night and veterans of high stimulation social environments.
In my view there are three types of people. Book smart people, people who have learned a lot through educational systems and books (I was one of these). And experienced, people, people who have learned valuable life lessons through experiences rather then books, so called "street-smart" people. Party girls will most likely fall under the "street-smart" category. The third type is one that has a good balance of both of these things and I know that there are many men and women who fall into this category as well though I would argue that this is the smallest category of the three..
DD's approach will work far more effective on the book smart educated women. Although his approach also works for the other two types. It's been tried and proven.
THOSE WHO AREGUE “BE YOURSELF”
This is somewhat amusing. I always get a chuckle from those people who say “I cannot imagine not being myself and following these guys”. I ask those people. Are you the same person you were last year? Five years ago? Ten years ago? I hope not. I hope you have evolved, as the human mind is meant to do. I have you have learned, and grown, and changed, hopefully for the better. I myself know that I am not the same person I was a year ago. I have change. I have improved. That is what DD offers. It offers a chance to grow and improve. Are you perfect? Could you find a million things you could be better at? Is it possible you could stumble onto Buddhism and change your views of the world and therefore become a new you? If you changed and evolved, then you will not be the same person you were before your change… Does that make you a sell out? Does that somehow make you unauthentic? That is what you people suggest and it is absurd. My view is that I will never be 100% my best self, but I will continue to improve myself on this journey called life. I am constantly looking to improve my current self in an effort to become my best self, what is wrong with that?
THOSE WHO SAY “JUST BE CONFIDENT”
How can anyone just “be” confident? You either have confidence or you don’t. Success breads confidence and many men such as myself lacked success with women early on in our lives. DD and some of his peers offer processes whereby a man can begin to see success with women, thereby increasing his confidence. You can’t just turn on confidence if you’ve never had it. There is no confidence on and off switch. But if your willing to change, take chances, and improve, you can use they’re advice to begin to see success and slowly build up your confidence, until it becomes natural. It takes time, but it’s doable.
THIS STUFF IS COMMON SENSE OR WHY NOT JUST FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF:
As I’ve stated before, some men do figure this stuff out on their own. These men develop a natural ability to attract women. However many men like myself were not this lucky. I view DD and his peers as mentors. You can have mentors in others areas of life, like entrepreneurship, education, etc. Why not in the area of becoming a more confident male and in the area of attracting women? A mentor teaches you what he has learned through trial and error, experience and education. What mentor offers you is his wisdom, they transfer their wisdom onto you, and this is priceless. Those of you who have real life mentors know what I mean. This is the same thing DD offers except that it applies to an area that many people believe one should not or cannot learn.
DEANGELO IS A MARKETER/SCAMMER AND IS MAKING MONEY
Yes he is making a lot of money. And I really could give a rats ass what he was before he started selling his DD products. The fact is his advice and material is very well thought out and over the years he has improved and refined it. Yes he is making money, yes he is probably just in it for the money, but that doesn’t take away the fact that he sells a good product. I dare you to troll the Internet and try to find more negative reviews then positive ones, good luck. You will probably notice the opposite. Many men will vouch that his material works, few men will not. The same cannot be said for many other products out there. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 10/4/2007 5:49:05 AM | I get his emails just to see what he says.
To try to tell guys how to avoid paying for dinner and the way to get a girl in bed is hedonistic and just not appropriate. I think how to treat a woman nicely and so well she wont have any doubt you're the man for her would be a better option. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 10/4/2007 6:00:22 AM | Let me tell you a little stry....a true story....which I think might enlighten many.
I have this girl friend who, in my opinion, is GORGEOUS! I look at her, even at our age, and wish I could have been so pretty. But, when we were growing up, she never really had a social life. I asked her one day if she just didn't like men. "Oh, I LOVE men but when I look in the mirror I can see why none are attracted to me." She goes on to explain how fat she is, how flat-chested she is, how awful her hair looks, etc. I was stunned!
A couple years later, she went off to college and got a parttime job as an assistant to a photographer who did on-site shots for an advertizing agency. To make a long story short, SHE ended up becoming the one the photographer was shooting. Her picture began appearing in many magazines and one night when we were sitting in her apartment, she showed me one of the ads. All of a sudden, out of nowhere, she said, "I really AM pretty, aren't I?" From that night forward, Vicki has been a changed person and finally married a wonderful man after spending three fun-filled years dating and traveling and enjoying life.
The point of all this, I guess, is to say there's NOTHING more attractive, NOTHING more sexy, NOTHING more appealing than 'self-confidence'. And that, my friends, starts early in the morning when you stand in front of the bathroom mirror and say to yourself, "Gee, I like what I see". And if you can't say that, then do something about it.
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 11/14/2007 8:18:49 PM | LOVED your post Puravida2! One of the best ever I have viewed on DD. Especially what you wrote here, "The problem for most of his clients is their lack of confidence, bravado, savvy, masculinity, and experience that a TRUE healthy well rounded male has. In other word these techniques help you ACT more like a healthy, confident, well-rounded male, but they do not address the issue of the much more deep rooted problem."
I will add that the deep rooted problem is that Many men are not really men which isn't there fault. It all goes back to what Dr. Paul was saying with DD on the "Deeper Inner Game" CD. Dr. Paul talks about how in ancient times and in cultures that have rites of passage for teenage boys. Normal rite of passage for a teenage boy would consist of them being taken away from their mothers and experience some rite of passage event. (I.E. slaying of a tiger, stakes in their hanging for days, etc. etc.) A experience that changes them and makes them into men. From that point on they are no longer considered boys they are considered MEN. The chief of the tribe even says, "THE BOY MUST DIE!" as he brings the boy to the rite of passage.
In modern society we no longer have such rite of passage. Boys essentially never grow up into men and they go thru life being man boys. Now for men who have been naturally good with women their whole this doesn't apply. They became men in some way at a early age in modern society. Forgive me for not knowing how exactly. I forgot! lol
For men who are still man boys that don't have to be the small computer nerd type at all. They can be tough Navy Seals, NFL football players, and other forms of physically tough boy but still not be men.
Have you ever heard of women complain about what a guy isn't doing? A lot of women will complain about men basically not stepping up to the plate and being men. How many women have you know to be turned off from a guy because he was unable to make decisions? Or a guy who lived his life of Fear? Fear of the unknown, Fear of Failure, Fear of success, Fear of farting in the wind! kidding on the last. You see that's the real problem with man boys. It's fear! That is why they have such a hard time with women because of Fear. How many guys have you ever known who were really good with women who were afraid of being rejected by women? Few to NONE right? How many men who you have known whom are not good at attracting women have had such a total fear of rejection that they don't even bother to ask or try? TONS! Half of them are addicted to playing World of Warcraft right now probably. lol IN contrast, how many women have you known to be instantly attracted to men who do make choices and who are leaders? | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 11/14/2007 8:36:18 PM | bassgirl747 wrote:
I get his emails just to see what he says.
To try to tell guys how to avoid paying for dinner and the way to get a girl in bed is hedonistic and just not appropriate. I think how to treat a woman nicely and so well she wont have any doubt you're the man for her would be a better option.
Amen to that! Any man who doesn't pay for dinner doesn't get a second date. And I don't do sleaze. I love nice guys. Nice guys that are old-fashioned gentlemen are a jewels in my life. They rock! 
Throw away/burn the book! | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 11/14/2007 11:10:43 PM |
U use a stage name because ur puttin on a show, u do it to give the right feel & hype the incentive. Create a mob mentality over sumthing that makes ppl feel good or desperately want.
David Copperfield aka David Seth Kotkin puts on a show, but it doesnt mean he's actually doing magic.
Sales Sales Sales Sales!!!!
Blah, blah, blah. You don't even know what you are talking about. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 4/17/2008 4:02:56 PM | While Dave is correct in some ways, Hes nothing more than a Marketing Guru who uses carefully crafted "Newsletters" that offer no real explanations. You are paying for the assumption that his book WORKS. Hes a bit dodgy if U ask me.... | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 4/18/2008 12:02:12 AM | It amazes me as to the BS people will say to something they know nothing about. I have read his stuff and to tell you the truth he is right. A guy has to step up and fix himself...to fix the BS we were raised with. Do any of you think that your mama is going to tell you about the night SHE had some "Broke back Mountain" sex in the back of a truck and how good it made her feel? HELL NO. Parents will tell you to not knock up a girl or your should be a virgin and wait till marriage (both sexes).
It is all about your inner game of becoming who you are and not worrying about what others think. It is about becoming someone that is confident in their own sexuality and doesn't flip out on any subject. Kinda like the Marital Arts....control of ones self.
Most females that read his book go off blah...blah....blah about how a guy should kiss her ass and bow to her feet because she has a fuzzy. BUT in real life every woman wants to feel excitement, intimacy, being a bad girl sometimes and most of all being respected as the sexual creature she is inside. Most guys have a issue with sex....and that issue most of the time degrades a woman if she does something he is not use to.
Just the other day some guy wrote on here about his girlfriend and him were having sex and she had a vaginal orgasm...she squirted past his knee. What did this dumb ass ask on here? Instead of enjoying the sex and enjoying her getting to have this type of orgasm he was turned off by it. He was kind of disgusted with her doing that. This being the best orgasm a woman can achieve ( the feelings she feels is off the scale, ladies your best orgasm with just a clit orgasm lets say it is a 10 on your scale...this orgasm takes your 10 and makes it a 2 on the next scale).
But anyway a lot of people don't read that much....but boy are they experts with the info from a book they never read. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 4/18/2008 12:46:15 AM | | DD is about one thing; getting laid by being arrogant to young girls that are naive and stupid. Its not about relationships, its not about love, its not about healthy connections its about getting laid. His techniques wouldnt' stand a chance in other countries but in the U.S. they work well. Our sexual culture is a mess here. Again, just be yourself. If you need gimmicks to get girls, then the problem is one thing. You. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 4/18/2008 12:58:54 AM | | mthomjmark you are right. DD is about meeting and attracting women. It has nothing to do with long term relationships. Indeed, DD himself says his products are about the first ten dates only. However, you can't have an LTR until you attract someone. There are thousands of books about relationships on the market. Use DD to meet and attract, use one of the others for LTR issues. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 4/18/2008 2:58:40 AM | Great Post LDYnBLK, the old Cinderellia story coming alive before your very eyes! I bet that pleased you about your friend ~
Self -image is 95% of the game. ~ If Jack Palace or Richard Boone can be a hot item with the chicks ~ that should give any man hope. ~
I've not read or knowledgable about this author you speak. ~ Sounds like a jerk by many accounts.
There is some redeeming qualities to be found in a jerk, I suppose. Especially if you are finding yourself short in some areas of character development. ~ Additude will carry the moment and a jerk in "no" short supply in that area. ~
A lot of cowboys will mount something that they can't stay on a full eight count. ~ It's a mixture of pain and pleasure ~ nerve and guts ~ the thrill of the ride being the final goal and glory.
I don't treat women that way ~ nor should you. It's a little short sighted in my personal view. ~ Oh! it's true, some like it rough ~ a hard ride ~ like some guys like big hooter and some girls like huge~d``ks. ~ But you are not getting into the real person and buiding any real posssible future with your goals predicated there. ` Very swallow and you life will be swallow as well, void of the richness that could be yours to shared.
These self -help book can be good, like the bible ~ but you must read , and understand how it applies to you. Dig out what you need and can the rest.
I was at the cross-roads once , ~ life had stalled it seemed ~ nothing and no one amused me much ~ things had gone stale. I bought a book titled " Quit whinning and get a life" lol he, he, ~ ~ I'm doing great now ~ there might have been 3 paragraphs in the whole book that ment something to me ~ but sometime , 3 paragraphs is all you need. That was 8 years ago ~ I guess.
We find wisdom ~ wherever we hear it ~ and we can apply it. ~dar | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 4/18/2008 4:27:21 AM |
Amen to that! Any man who doesn't pay for dinner doesn't get a second date
So what you're really saying is that you value the content of a mans wallet more than him. YOU don't deserve a first date if thats your attitude.
Women dont seen to understand how difficult it can be for men to find love, I know of many men my age (25) who have very little or no sexual experience, this isnt through personal choice, their attitude is ''why would anyone want me''
If a little book helps guide them into being able to find a suitable partner they have my blessing.
Isnt it hypocritical that women are bashing DD and DYD when Cosmoploiton and other womens magazines regulaly do articals on how to get and keep a guy.
Its because women get approached by ***holes / idiots / arrogent men constantly they probably have the impression that all guys are like that and anyone who reads DYD is just after a quick f*ck. However the ones that are paying for this book, are probably the guys who respect women so much and treat them so nicely they often just get categarized as friends. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 4/18/2008 9:00:05 AM | | That is the biggest non-sense that I have ever heard. The guys that get the girls are the ones who make her equity equal to yours. If you make a woman feel that she is hot shit before you even get to know her, she already has an advantage, bring her down to an equal playing field well now thats fair. As far as the "jerk" guys, they just break down a woman's self confidence so that she feels he is better than he actually is. She might think he is unattainable, and human flaw is that we always want what we can't have. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 4/21/2008 9:02:04 AM | I think everything I had to say has pretty much already been said here. But I'll just top it off with my two cents.
The only people who really trash talk DeAngelo's ideas and those similar to them are people who have never taken the time to even bother trying to read, understand, or apply any of them. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 4/21/2008 9:31:24 AM | I read the intial DD Book (never purchased any DYDs) but I can definitely say that his material is an interesting read.
I utilized some of his teaching in my own life (self-confidence, humor, creativity, being unique & apart from the pact).
But take this all with a grain of salt. Like what other posters said on here, it's important to be sincere. | |
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