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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/20/2006 12:15:34 PM | You're a day too late...we are on to you. But if you decide to take their advice and pretend to be something you are not...and venture down the road of exploitation and playerdom, may I suggest you travel to some third world country to do so? As again, the babes are onto ALL of this here...and you wonder why we have become cold and lacking emotion? Because of YOUR GAMES!
Gesh, must we educate you on everything?
No ripe bananas for you!
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/20/2006 12:49:54 PM | I haven't read any of Deangelo, but have heard him mentioned in the forums before. If this book teaches men how to show more self-confidence when approaching women, then that's great. If it delves into the female psyche realistically, that's fabulous. Most men don't understand what makes us tick or what we actually want from them.
However, if the book promises average joes that they can manipulate volumes of beautiful women into being willing vaginas, then I would say it is a crock. If the book recommends indifference, lies, rudeness and manipulation as tools for bagging these babes, then I would say it is misleading men. If a man is telling you that he has had success using these techniques, then I would say he is greatly exaggerating his success or outright lying about it. I also have to wonder about the character of a man who would buy such a book and then try to put it into play.
Look, the vast majority of women don't like to be treated badly. It will not endear you to them at all. In fact, you will get shot down very quickly. I know there is a myth out there that says women like bad boys and if you treat them like a creep, you'll get them...but it is a lie. Women are attracted to men who are full of self-confidence. They don't like arrogant SOB's who try to be dime store Valentino's. They are totally turned off by players. Oh, unhealthy women might buy into it, but that is because they have psychological issues. And, why on earth would you want to spend time with them, unless you are psychologically damaged, as well? | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/20/2006 1:45:10 PM | | Some of his stuff is useful, but I wouldn't treat it like a bible. His theories for picking up women and getting phone numbers isn't what I'm after. But his advice on building inner confidence and not being the stereotypical nice guy/doormat/wussy is useful. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/20/2006 2:01:35 PM | If it teaches men to not be doormats, then I approve. If, however, it teaches men to stop being doormats by making women doormats, then I would say it is twisted, hypocritical tripe and should be avoided at all costs. Women don't like to be doormats anymore than men do.
Self confidence and self esteem are internal processes. You don't improve them by looking outside of yourself. You improve them by seeing yourself in a different light. In other words, your self confidence and self esteem won't improve by treating women in ways that are unkind. If anything, it will tug at your conscience and perhaps have the opposite of the intended effect. Guilt is a horrible thing to deal with.
So, if you want to read this book, take the positive aspects of it that improve how you see yourself and learn how to set healthy boundaries. But whatever you do, don't get sucked into justifying bad behaviour towards women. It's just plain wrong and it won't make you feel good about yourself if you have an ounce of decency in you. And, I think most of you have way more than an ounce of decency running through your veins... | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/20/2006 2:13:58 PM | The only thing of value that David D teaches is the same things of value that Tom Leykis teaches.
1. CONFIDENCE IN YOURSELF
2. DON'T ACT LIKE A WUSS
3. GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER (have goals, desires in life that don't require someone else to accomplish them)
If you're looking for a ton of one-liners and trying to "score" then by all means, listen to David's lines. The****/funny stuff is just common sense. It all comes from being confident and NOT****.
If you truly believe you are of value (and everyone is) then there's no need to feed women one liners and try and act like something you are not. Focus on your own self-confidence, your strengths and PRACTICE talking to women.
Good Lord, men. How on earth do you expect to be comfortable talking to women when you never practice. You'll spend 10 hours a day getting great a "World of Warcraft" but yet spend no time talking to women. Then when you fail, you scratch your head and wonder why.
Practice makes perfect. If you want your confidence to soar, how about practicing talking to women and getting over rejection? It happens to all of us.
You don't need David D. or Tom Leykis' advice if you just believe in who you are. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/20/2006 2:27:06 PM |
You have to do all this and change because just being yourself doesn't work any more.
OK you are gonna read a book and learn how to get women, choose one of these women to be your permanent partner(or as close as one can get to permanency these days lol) and then spend(hopefully) the rest of your life not being yourself, because that's what some book told you to do??
Y'know, it's occurred to me that maybe dating and relationships might go a HELL of a lot easier if we all quit reading books about dating/relationships, stopped over-thinking the issue. and simply WERE ourselves?? Do we need to add yet ANOTHER question to the "screening" process? That question being "Which relationship guru do YOU believe in?" Am I in trouble because my 'gurus" are Ann Landers, Miss Manners and Larry the Cable Guy?
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/20/2006 6:42:54 PM | I've read alot of david d's material. I've put a lot of it to use and my success with women has increased dramatically.
He's one of many guru's that I researched after reading "The Game" when I was first introduced to the idea that some dating gurus out there weren't absolutely full of shit.
Deangelo's material is the most natural of all the gurus i've encountered. Most of the rest spout canned lines, from the moment the conversation starts until you're in bed with the women. Very few people are able to come to terms with this type of lifestyle, and for good reason. It's shallow and flakey. It works, but it's a hard hurdle to jump.
Ddeangelo got himself famous when he came out with his idea of**** Comedy. He describes this as the perfect mix of a little bit too confident mixed with humour. He has since stated that he regrets ever coming up with that name, as many get the wrong impression, and has since started referring to it as "Confidently Playfull" (actually, i think someone else came up with this term.)
The basic premise is to tease a girl, rip on her, pretend that she's attracted to you, right from the start, and that she'll have to work to get you. This is intriguing and fun to many women, because they are so used to being chased by men that are buying them drinks and endlessly complimenting them.
The biggest lesson you will take from him though, is as many have said, the importance of being confident, and not being a doormat. He explains why this is attractive to women, he helps reframe interactions with women to ease your fears about talking to them and basically helps you realize that it is well within your power to be the most attractive person in any given room, with a little work. Great stuff.
That being said, he is not a writer. The Double your Dating book is poorly written, poorly laid out and will not really be that big of a help, in my opinion. The double your dating DVD series is 100x better, in my opinion. Playfully confident is much easier to demonstrate than describe, and if it is within your means I reccommend the DVD series far above the book. It's a great product. I have the audio ripped to my iPod and i've listened to the entire 8 hours perhaps 3 times.
A side not to everyone who ridicules the idea of getting a book on learning how to attract women: attraction is for some reason one of the only skills on earth that people are supposed to automagically figure out for themselves. If I wanted to learn to cook, play guitar, be a better public speaker, be a better leader, learn to write or any number of other self improvement things, I could seek out a book or a class or a private instructor, and people would congratulate me on taking steps to improve myself. The minute someone seeks to learn to attract the opposite sex, they are called pathetic and hopeless. This is a silly and immature attitude. People keep saying how attracting women is all about approaching them over and over, in order to become experienced at it. Reading is all about taking other people experience and making it your own in a much more efficient manner. If you want to get better at something, pick up a book on the subject, and never mind what small minded people say.
I have never been useless with women. I often have a girlfriend, and they are always beautiful intelligent women. I have had a few girlfriends with whom people would stop me in public and tell me how beautiful they were. I feel that this is important because it shows what stage I was at before I came across David D's material.
It was largely a crap shoot however, if i liked a girl, i had no real idea how to attract them any more often than 10% of the time. I also almost NEVER had any success with meeting random strange women and turning them into romantic partners. I would talk to strangers all the time, in bars, restaurants, university etc. I had no trouble at all making friends, but none of these women would be attracted to me. Usually theo nly way a woman would be attracted was if she was a friend of a friend who I had met at a party or something similar. I needed to have social ties to someone before being able to attract them, for some reason. This material has boosted my success rate through the roof, and I have no problems going out with friends and getting phone numbers and often more. Coffee shops, both patrons and barristas, people in book stores, it doesn't matter. If there is an attractive girl in the same room as me, I have a fair chance of attracting her.
It's always been really cool to be me, but lately it's gotten a lot cooler, and I at least partially thank David D for that. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/21/2006 11:28:47 AM | OMG, its a novel about a novel!!
Please, cut the psycho analytical self help -- relationship babble...and JUST be yourself! and you will find a suitable partner...when the time is right.
all else is faked-out marketing tactics which will only last for so long. It's like doctoring a resume. Or getting plastic surgery. It ain't real...and you know it...and eventually, you will be found out. So, STOP THE INSANITY! and screw these freaks of nature (get women, players) and JUST BE YOU! | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/21/2006 11:45:04 AM | Is okay, you guys who want to try these techninques, lol, life changing, am laughing.
You who do this are going to wind up with just exactly what you paid for, the words from the book, the technique.
You are going to reap some mighty poor imitations of women, again, the easy marks, that ANYONE could have had, just so many guys are too unsure of themselves to make advances to.
I have talked online with this guy, he tried those on me, lol, didn't work, he never even got my email address. He was bragging online of how he could get any woman, about his book, the whole works, one total loser he is, wouldn't have given him the time of day. By the way, he also was bragging about all the money he had, his house, and how he is reaping rewards off of this book. I think the line he used on me mostly, and did it everyday for a while, such character it showed, was, "I never forget a woman with a good rack" By the way, he really talked a lot about phermones, better get some of that cologne, perfume.
When you do pick them up, guys, and get your one night stands, wear condoms, cause you are playing with fire. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/21/2006 11:52:03 AM | makingupaname, though David D claims that his ideal goal for men is a long lasting relationship with a woman, that is not what he is pushing.
He's pushing a technique to get women into bed. He's no better than a snake oil salesman.
In addition, for a guy who talks a lot about being successful with women, why is he still single? I've never heard him say the words "My girlfriend" or "My fiance."
For someone touting so much success, he sure has been single for a long time.
Other than being confident and funny (and not being a wuss) most of his advice is double speak. It's not going to work for men who lack confidence to begin with.
The bottom line is for a man to be successful in meeting, dating and eventually marrying the woman of his dreams, he has to overcome his insecurities and love who he is. The confidence and humor will come NATURALLY when are happy with who you are. (acceptance of one's self is mandatory for others to accept you). | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/21/2006 11:59:26 AM | | Good post, jar, and he IS still single, you know. His technique left much to be desired, when you tell a woman that you can get ANY woman to spread her legs, that is a signal for combat, lol, and we women tend to back off with, ha ha that is what YOU think, makes us want to show him that he is not such hot stuff. Defeats his purpose entirely. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/21/2006 12:32:49 PM | I personally think books are a useful way to get information, whether dating or not. The key to women is confidence, and challenge. No one has to be a jerk or an ***hole to be challenging. Women don't want a kiss ass chorus behind them who says yes to everything they want, and calls 36 times in a 24 hour period. They want a man they can court and pursue, who keeps their "interest level" high.
Challenge..... | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/21/2006 1:29:29 PM | ^Most women don't want the kind of "challenge" you are intimating. Hah! They really don't want to court and pursue to keep their "interest level" high. They want to be courted by a man who is clever and charming and full of self confidence. They want to be interested by an interesting man. Indifference is just as big a turn off as obsession is.
Further, any man who suggested that he had a lot of sexual partners would get taken off most most suitability lists. No woman wants a STD and players have STD's. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/21/2006 2:02:57 PM | | Lol, ooli, you are right, what woman in their right mind would even go out with him? I wouldn't have let him come near me on a bet. But, then, that was a defeat to him and his theories, too. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/21/2006 2:39:15 PM | I think the main problem here is a few things. People are to focused on either end of the ethical dating spectrum, you are either doing things to attract women OR you are being your self. This is not good, because on the one end you are just manipulating people, on the other end you aren't doing anything and you just expect everyone else to do the work for you because all you have to do is just be yourself.
What you have to do is find some techniques that represent who YOU are and use those techniques to attract women and express who you are. For example, I am a guininely funny guy and observant guy, so instead of opening with a cheesy one liner or just saying hello, I will probably compliment and tease you about something that other guys might not notice.
I've seen guys get women by going over board with compliments ect..., and I think that is cool because that is who they are. That sort of thing would not work for me, because even though I am not a negative person, I generally don't give out compliments.
An interesting point to make is this: Who is being themself on a date, a guy who is nervous, serious, goe a to fancy restaurant, and tries to impress his date, or a guy who dresses casual, takes her to his regular restruant, makes her laugh, and even though he may be disappointed with a bad date, wont let it ruin his day?
I'd also like to point out ironic it for people to say that it is lame to read advice about dating, when they themselfs are on a Dating Advice Forum. As well all of the nay-sayers have neglected the fact that DD has been in long term relationships.
Dating/pick-up/meeting-people/whatever techniques shouldn't be used to make up for insecurities, but should be used to express your interest (and who you are) more effectively and efficiencely. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/21/2006 5:03:35 PM | Interesting conversation... I actually run a dating business similar to David D's and I know more than half the ppl mentioned in "The Game". I used to work for a competing business of his until I started my own. The truth is... the stuff does work.
Here's why.
Attractive women are hit on ALL THE TIME! What makes you stand out? You're the 5th guy that night to go up and ask if you could buy her a drink. By her accepting she's stuck in a conversation with you for twenty minutes. Ever been in a conversation you REALLY don't want to be in? Your eyes roll back, you wanna pull your hair out, but you're still stuck. So before you even have a chance to show that you're a really cool guy she should meet you've already been tagged and put into the same pile as every other guy.
Here's how it works.
You've got about 10 seconds to show through body language, tonality and confidence that you're not every other guy. You can't hit on someone until they're attracted to you. So, keeping that in mind, don't hit on her. Go up and talk to her friends, get to know the group and dont show interest in that one girl. After you're part of the group, make friends with her. Odds are if her friends think you're a cool fun guy and they're attracted to you, she will be too. It's just based in psychology. We want what we can't have. Get to know her better and then agree to hang out again and exchange contact info...
anyway... it's too complicated to get into right here. But "The Game" by Neil Strauss is an entertaining read. Yes - these ppl do exist, yes they are good at what they do, and yes, it is real.
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/21/2006 5:25:51 PM | I don't want what I can't have. I want what I want.
All of the women I know...be they 20 year old models, 30 year old single mom's with thriving careers or 40 year old CEO's who are rolling in the dough...want what they want. They will only put in so much effort, and only if they are getting the appropriate feedback from the men they are interested in. Most healthy women won't pursue a man who appears to be indifferent to them. So walk a careful line if you play it cool.
Edit: Now, it sounds like this book is geared toward men seeking women in their 20's and early 30's, because it sure wouldn't work with a 35+ year old woman. lol If you fit this description, then befriending her friends is always a good idea. Girls who go out in a group are in pack mode. They will stay loyal to the pack. If her girlfriends don't like you, it doesn't matter if she does, she will probably reject you to keep their approval. But for crying out loud, even when trying to impress her girlfriends, let her know that you find her intriguing, even if it's winking at her occasionally. Don't be indifferent or you'll probably screw it up.
The scenario is different when the women involved are more mature.
PS...If you want to know how women think, ask them and read women's magazines. Women know what they want more than a man trying to sell an idea to make money does.
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/21/2006 5:32:05 PM | | Lol, if a man joins a group I am in and is not paying attention to me, then I assume he is not interested in me, is interested in someone else in the group and I would move on, I would certainly respond to the man who might come along during this time and expressed interest. You snooze, you lose. So by playing this game, you just played away your chances with any contact or date with me, if it was me you were interested in. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/21/2006 5:42:52 PM | | i have his 4 dvd series. i used some of it and was pleasantly surprised. don't forget that he says that woman act without knowing it. they give you the go ahead signs without even being aware. i also have other authors of this sort of thing. if interested in exchanging material contact at dalecasselman@yahoo.com. i also have never be lied to again. lots of dale carnagie, anthony robins, brian tracy, allan watts, david deangelo(body series of dvd), david j lieberman(get anyone to do anything you want), richard bandler, dr wayne dyer, paul mckenna, and so many more. they are all audio and video. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/21/2006 5:50:06 PM | | if you apply what david is saying. you dont ignore the prospect(girl). you make her totally aware of your interest and then you simply let her do the foot work. making advances, only to pull them away again. as she gets a taste of the comfort zone she experiences with you, you take it away. leaving her to realize that she much preferred having an advancing relationship with you, rather than none at all. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/21/2006 5:56:43 PM | | Lol, am very old school, have never made an advance on a man in my life. I like a confident man, if he wants to get to know me, HE makes the advances This is all playing games and games will only backfire on you. When you meet someone you really like, really want to know, you are going to lose out because of your game playing. You can't play ALL the women, some of us are just a little smarter than that. Lol, or maybe you like women with no brains. A smart woman could spot this game from a mile off. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/21/2006 7:27:17 PM | Interesting conversation... I actually run a dating business similar to David D's and I know more than half the ppl mentioned in "The Game". I used to work for a competing business of his until I started my own. The truth is... the stuff does work.
Here's why.
Attractive women are hit on ALL THE TIME! What makes you stand out? You're the 5th guy that night to go up and ask if you could buy her a drink. By her accepting she's stuck in a conversation with you for twenty minutes. Ever been in a conversation you REALLY don't want to be in? Your eyes roll back, you wanna pull your hair out, but you're still stuck. So before you even have a chance to show that you're a really cool guy she should meet you've already been tagged and put into the same pile as every other guy.
Here's how it works.
You've got about 10 seconds to show through body language, tonality and confidence that you're not every other guy. You can't hit on someone until they're attracted to you. So, keeping that in mind, don't hit on her. Go up and talk to her friends, get to know the group and dont show interest in that one girl. After you're part of the group, make friends with her. Odds are if her friends think you're a cool fun guy and they're attracted to you, she will be too. It's just based in psychology. We want what we can't have. Get to know her better and then agree to hang out again and exchange contact info...
anyway... it's too complicated to get into right here. But "The Game" by Neil Strauss is an entertaining read. Yes - these ppl do exist, yes they are good at what they do, and yes, it is real.
-Maverick
You can not teach men how to have successful relationships with methods like these, PERIOD. Sure, they might "score" once in a while but even a blind squirrel eventually finds a nut. If being a player is your goal is, by all means start buying into this.
David D's stuff, The Game junk, Tom Leykis, etc. It's all a SMOKE SCREEN my friend. They cover up the biggest problem ALL men have with women.
CONFIDENCE (Insecurity)
Once a man loves and accepts who he is and displays the characteristics of a BALANCED man (not a door mat, not a jerk) he won't NEED to play games or use lines or techniques. He will NATURALLY attract the right woman for him based on who he is. He will already BE different and separate himself from other men. The overweight or unattractive men you see with extremely attractive women have already learned this.
What people who push "techniques" are really pushing amounts to giving a blind dog a bone. They don't truly understand what is going on. They try a few lines, find some low level of success and build up a false sense of confidence. Not based on who they are, but pushing lines. It's "high school" level pyschology.
This doesn't lead to long lasting, meaningful relationships because the foundation it's built upon is SHAKY at best.
The foundation for a great relationship is built within. On being confident and secure in yourself. On being happy with who you are, being perfectly happy single and having a woman compliment your life -- not BE your life.
If a man really wants to lean how to be successful with women, he first has to find HIMSELF. Until then, no amount of mumbo-jumbo from self-proclaimed "dating experts" is going to help him. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/21/2006 7:55:36 PM |
Once a man loves and accepts who he is and displays the characteristics of a BALANCED man (not a door mat, not a jerk) he won't NEED to play games or use lines or techniques. He will NATURALLY attract the right woman for him based on who he is. He will already BE different and separate himself from other men. The overweight or unattractive men you see with extremely attractive women have already learned this.
Exactly. | |
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