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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 4/21/2008 9:32:21 AM | I always like learning new things, and I have found that a lot of what he says makes sense.
Most guys are not very knowledgeable when it comes to dating and talking to women and if they can get a few pointers on behavior, etc., I say why not? | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 4/21/2008 12:14:45 PM |
Women dont seen to understand how difficult it can be for men to find love, I know of many men my age (25) who have very little or no sexual experience, this isnt through personal choice, their attitude is ''why would anyone want me''
If a little book helps guide them into being able to find a suitable partner they have my blessing.
Isnt it hypocritical that women are bashing DD and DYD when Cosmoploiton and other womens magazines regulaly do articals on how to get and keep a guy.
Its because women get approached by ***holes / idiots / arrogent men constantly they probably have the impression that all guys are like that and anyone who reads DYD is just after a quick f*ck. However the ones that are paying for this book, are probably the guys who respect women so much and treat them so nicely they often just get categarized as friends.
Well said! Women should understand that they're not easy to impress and talk to which is why some men need DYD. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 4/22/2008 4:27:35 PM | I find alot posts in this thread comes from inexperience and also the wrong mindset. People are putting their opinion on his work without even reading his book/articles or applying his principles. Let me tell you have, I have used these teachings and have gone from no girlfriends to plenty, and all chasing me. I am now married to a lovely wife. Mission accomplished.
One other thing guys, I will be flamed for this. But if you think you are going to get some great advice from women, you are making the greatest mistake of all. In addition all this stuff about being is yourself is a load of bull. Ask yourself this: "Has being myself so far got me any success in dating and women??" The majority answer would either be no or would really like it improved. If you are not getting anywhere with women, why are you wanting to continue being yourself. The whole point of his teachings is to understand attraction, and change yourself to become more attractive. Change yourself to be better.
For any of you guys that want to start becoming more attractive, here is a list of his free advice:
http://www.seductiontuition.com/david-deangelo/
Also, he is not telling guys to have one night stands or be a jerk. He is teaching guys to be attractive, and you girls should thank him for it. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 5/10/2008 11:45:50 PM |
^ Best post in this entire thread.
I'll third that.
I havn't read the book, but I found DD's stuff by accident and have been looking into it a little bit for a few days now... I wouldn't call myself a believer or a fanboy or w/e but I do have to side with DD from the changes I noticed within myself and the line of thought some of the material has lead me.
First off,
DD is a businessman... he has a product, and there's plenty of demand. he even uses the word "product" when describing his different lessons etc.
People often argue he's taking advantage of desperate men... Regardless if DD's stuff works or not, ask yourself this. If there is something that can help someone who is desperate to motivate themselves boost selfesteem and have a healthy ego... wouldn't you look into it? wouldn't you invest in it?
The other argument is the whole thing about creating a bad image towards women... or teaching people to do stuff to get dates that's not themselves etc...
First, many of these criticisms have no consideration at all towards what women want. Of course you can retort by saying... Oh but this is a man's point of view... women arn't that sexual, or they really do like "nice" guys aka Wuss in DD's terms... (and yeah if that's the case I'd be surrounded by women)
The truth is, what he says about the wuss and communication with women doesn't only apply to dating. Think about it, I myself would much rather be dealing with a confident, well dressed, well spoken guy at work or in other situations rather than someone who's overly nice, can't make decisions... (which inturn means can't take responsibilites).
I can't and won't testify for or against his actual techniques as I'm not in a position at the moment to go out every day to test this stuff, but what I can say is this.
After listening to some of this stuff, I started feeling better about myself, I dressed up a little, got some great reactions from girls and guys a like... I hold my head up high, my body upright, I try to look people in the eye more often, and do what I love to do with less inhibition. and I've noticed that others notice...
I've never gotten a smile from a cute girl passing by until two days ago, cause I was always in my own little world, I never made myself presentable, never gave off the confident energy in this particular way before. And all it took for me to get noticed was to dress slightly nicer with what I already own, and have a smile on my face, glowing with this new appreciation for myself that I've not had before.
Finally, talking to women, dating women, making love to a woman, marriage... are all forms or things that either are or requires communication.
And like any forms of communication and expression, from public speaking to a piece of art work, it all requires skill and training.
Yes, you can get good by yourself, but even if you try to learn the guitar or sing by yourself... don't you go get a book or look for tabs on the internet?
Point is this, NEVER close a door... if the opportunity is there, check it out, take it with a grain of salt, and spunge as much as you can and make up your own damn mind. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 5/11/2008 3:04:21 AM | As a contributing member in the Community if you are an AFC I definitely will say that investing in Dave's stuff is probably the best thing you can do for starting out that's how I got started and I have corresponded with him and many of his guys and you won't meet a better group of just all around nice and good guys just like you who simply decided they wanted to improve themselves first and then then their dating lives. DYD and all it's programs and the rest of us in the community will never teach you to be a jerk I mean c'mon we are a little more tactful than that. It's all about taking your inner man or my programs "inner alpha" and making that known there are no tips or tricks because once you master your inner self the rest will naturally fall into place of course guys like David D. Swinggcat, Carlos Xuma, and myself still know some shortcuts and tools to help you get there. Once you get advanced enough and can handle other things with out abusing the power thats when you you get your super powers and start learning things like seduction patterns, NLP, and soul gazing the real jedi mind trick stuff. If you have any questions feel free to contact me I can also give you some names of all the others guys out there and the ones who mentored me. Take care
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 5/11/2008 6:33:28 AM | cocky&funny, flirting, negging or whatever you want to call it, only works with girls with huge egos. like the hottest hot babes. I think DD, mystery, and styles stuff is all geared towards these personality types, stuff like chase then retreat etc... because hey every guy whats the hottest hot babe right? I mean they not selling books on how to approach 6s or lower, because you don't need game to do that.
though, If you try this stuff on a Hot babe with no self esteem or a 8/10 or a inexperienced girl they will think you're an ***hole, or that you have no interest in them. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 5/11/2008 3:07:12 PM | The whole point of his teachings is to understand attraction, and change yourself to become more attractive. Change yourself to be better. ..... Also, he is not telling guys to have one night stands or be a jerk. He is teaching guys to be attractive, and you girls should thank him for it.
I love your post... you made the most sense yet. Are guys attracted to that quiet girl in the corner?.... the one who didn't put any make-up on? .... that is wearing clothes that are terribly unattractive on her?..... who seems too shy to talk to anyone?..... highly doubtful. What attract us to a person, whether they are male OR female is confidence..... or what appears to be confidence to us, at least. Females go out of their way to be attractive, and I don't see many guys complaining.... LOL. I have worked with over 80% men for over 20 yrs... and I have never yet heard a man complain about a woman looking "too good"... or "too pretty" Women have worked on improving their appearance thru the ages.... why shouldn't men? ..... AND... if you look good, and people take notice of it, you start feeling better about yourself... and your confidence climbs..... it is a positive cycle. I have been around the block a few times, and I can tell you from experience... if a man does not have the self-confidence to actually ASK me out - he won't last.... and yes, this is the modern age, and yes, I have asked many men out... but most don't like it - it boosts their ego initially, yes... but they don't follow thru on it.... or they play games when I ask them..... so I walk.
****&funny, flirting, negging or whatever you want to call it, only works with girls with huge egos. like the hottest hot babes. I think DD, mystery, and styles stuff is all geared towards these personality types, stuff like chase then retreat etc... because hey every guy whats the hottest hot babe right? I mean they not selling books on how to approach 6s or lower, because you don't need game to do that...... though, If you try this stuff on a Hot babe with no self esteem or a 8/10 or a inexperienced girl they will think you're an ***hole, or that you have no interest in them.
Boy, do you have it wrong.... confidence gets you dates.. and the females that are quiet, watcher types are not always the "babe with no self esteem.... or inexperienced".... they are watching you.... letting you show your true colours. They are often the smarter ones... I cannot stress it enough..... confidence is the most attractive thing going.... that is why the "bad boys" get all the dates.... they come across as confident.... why not? .. .they have nothing to lose... they really don't give a damn.... and to those who don't know any better, they see it as confidence. If you don't believe in yourself, how can you expect a potential date/partner to believe in you? | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 5/11/2008 6:06:06 PM | i have been geting his email tips for a while now and think they are all very good and informative . find there well though out and involve alot of common sense and good ideas .
haven't bought any of his books yet though | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 5/11/2008 8:04:38 PM | | u make many good points but the main idea is sex ...what to do and how to get it and this will always appeal to men...some smart guy made money b cause some 1 had a need... in this case sex... | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 5/12/2008 9:38:53 PM | Confidence is a process and only part of it we teach confidence building, banishing fear and insecurity, approach anxiety, and possessing a strong frame, if you wanna get technical, all these things play a role in being an authentic man/woman. Confidence is a wonderful thing and I have met many confident people out there, clients and sales/marketing reps that have hired me and all you have to do is key in on their insecurities and they all roll over like little puppies. That's why a having strong frame and many other things along with confidence are so important to learn not just for meeting and handling women but in everyday life.
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 5/12/2008 9:47:03 PM | | What do you mean 6,5,4, if you mean raking there is no ranking. This is how it goes either the person is "good enough" for you, or they are "NOT" easy as that... People think too much keep it simple always... | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 5/14/2008 8:55:37 PM | Hey all copying and pasting a previous post of mine on another DD forum that may or may not be insightful to some:
First of all, I have had a vast experience in DD's programs. I have read thru his Inner Game, Advanced, and Mastery programs. While, I do not have a vast amount of in the field experience with them. I will tell you that he does use REAL science in his programs. He uses science from psychologists, sociologists, comedians, and a host of experts. He just does not get up on stage in one of his seminars and just starts to spout off unproven evidence. Everything he teaches has been tested, experimented with, and refined through years of trial and error. Time and time again I have tried to go AGAINST his teachings and programs and you what? DD is right every single time!!!!! I can not tell you how many times I have said to myself, "Dang DD is right yet again!"
You have read through and watch his DVD programs to fully understand what he is really trying to teach men who are not naturally good at attracting women. In my opinion, he is by no means trying to teach men how to trick women or to use women as sex toys. In fact, he tells men that they are to respect women and treat them with the highest regard.
Yes DD is making tons of money from his programs. He is a business like any self help guru is. All of that aside do you blame the guy? He is helping out thousands of men who have struggled to even get dates. Several of these men are not your typical "nerds" either or ugly guys. Some of them are decent or good looking guys who were never taught how to attract women TO NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN.
DD is teaching men the science of attraction. DD is teaching men how to first and foremost become real men. By building their self-esteem, self-confidence, social skills, and everything else that makes a man a man. He is teaching men how create attraction with women. How many times have you heard women say after a date, "I just did not FEEL anything" or "The guy was nice but boring" or "There was NO attraction or CHEMISTRY" DD is teaching men how to build attraction/chemistry with women, so women will not be so disappointed. To enable men more success in getting repeat dates. It is not about sex it is enabling men to be more successful not only with women, but in life in general.
If a man does not know how to create attraction you are dead in the water. I can not tell you how many times I have gone on dates in the past nine years and I failed horribly at getting repeat dates. Am I ugly? NO. Am I computer geek who has never done anything physical before? NO. Quite the contrary I was in the Marine Corps for six years, ran a marathon when I was 17, played football, climbed Mt. Fuji in Japan, competed in bicycle races, and several other sports. It could be argued that I am or was once tougher than many of the bad boys who are good with women.
SO what was (maybe still is) my problem? I didn't know how attraction works between women, I had low confidence, and I had little field experience with women. How does this happen? Modern society has something to do with it. Throughout ancient times tribes would take a teenage boy through a ritual process of entering into manhood. The boy would be taken away from his mother and undergo some physical/mental tasks that developed him into a man. In modern times, for the most part this process does not exist. What you have is a lot of nice guys who are essentially like their mothers. Are they mommy boys? Maybe maybe not..... The key is to know that they CAN'T help it being that way. They are the guys who are always just the friend and who basically suck at getting dates. When they do get a date they are so nervous or boring that they fail horribly. Is this true in all cases? No of course not......it is in general.
As a man you have to KNOW how to create attraction with women and once you initially get them attracted to you the work is not over. You MUST keep the attraction going by being your new confident masculine self.
DD is helping women with his programs. He is developing boys into men so they will know how to create chemistry with women. Most importantly, he is helping men who are truly great great guys learn how to become better men. Women gain from this because truly nice guys (not stalker dummies who claim to be nice or control freaks) are able to create chemistry with them and instead of women getting with some abusive jerk or a player who uses them they find their prince.
I really do not mean to be such a DD fanboy, but like I said time and time again he has proven true. Do I wish his teachings were not true or correct? YES I do wish they were not correct. IN a fairy tale world, nice guys would already know how to attract women and keep their attraction and all the slime balls would not. But that is not how it is so we must adjust.
Are some guys using his****/Funny program and his other technique programs just to get laid? YES that is one of the unfortunate aspects of leaving in today's society. There will always be men who use tools the way they are not meant to be used. DD states in all his programs that we (men/boys) are to use his programs in a certain progression to build our confidence, self-esteem, sexuality, masculine qualities, and much more. He says to only use his technique programs if you need to or if you still not being as successful as you want with women.
Why are a lot of women defensive when it comes to DD? Very simply many may feel that their power is threatened. This is proven online. Look how many women get bombarded with tons of e-mails from tons of different guys daily on here in comparison to men. YES there are some men who get tons of e-mails from women and some women who do not. ON a whole men always get less. I have known women who when they want to date they go date. For nice guys this usually is NOT a choice for them. I have known several women who if they want to they can date a different guy every week.
DD is teaching men how to have more power in the dating game. While at first, it may appear that it does not benefit women. IN reality it really does, because as more nice guys learn to become real men (while still being respectful to women) women will be happier and more in love. As will more men!
His programs are so popular because they work. They have been tested in the field extensively as stated earlier thru trial and error. Sure there will always be some guy out there who will say, "Well I read his book or went through his programs and they did not work for me" That happens with any self-help programs and usually is the fault of the overly negative mindset that the person has when first beginning a program.
Is DD a saint or nut job? Probably neither! He was just a regular nice guy who was unsuccessful with dating and relationships who tried to figure out why men who are naturally good with women so good!
Is is just men who date use his programs? No married men and men in relationships use his programs to help them keep their women ATTRACTED to them so their relationship will not fall part by having the girl say out of the blue, "You know I just do not feel anything any more."
In closing, you have to really study his programs with an open mind. You cannot be defensive and negative. If you were you will automatically discredit or discount his ideas. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 5/14/2008 9:02:03 PM | | Hey Ramdael how's it going? To answer your question......Women are considered a 4, 5, or 6 are considered to be either average, below average, or slightly above average in looks by MOST men. Conversely, for women I would be considered to be anything from a 3 to a 6 depending on what photos I post online and how I look on any given day. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 5/14/2008 9:10:32 PM | What pisses me off most about these kind of programs is that if you don't "get with the program" you are somehow less of a man... "He's teaching you how to be a man..."
blah blah blah... He's teaching you how to pick up women in a bar. Big deal...
Part of his "technique" is to go to bars, get to know all the bouncers/owners/bartenders, so you can impress women by walking into a club and "know" everyone there... Sure, impressive... to women that frequent bars/clubs and are impressed by "VIP" status. Other than those women mentioned above, his techniques are not so good for interacting with real people at work or any where else for that matter.
Show me the part of the program that teaches you how to get a college degree, advance in your career, pay your bills and support your family... THEN we can talk about how he's teaching you to be a man.
Maybe thats in his "advanced, advanced, advanced" techniques DVD... but you'll have to shell out another $19.95 to get that. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 5/14/2008 9:16:22 PM | Eban Pagan is a smart, compassionate & conscientious marketing guru & multi-millionaire.
He's paid his dues, though he's had some breaks, too. He's technically single for now because he wants to be. He does have a lame sense of humor, but who cares when you do as well as he does. He's helped orient & re-orient a few youngsters, divorced men, & divorced women.
(Christian Carter, " Catch Him & Keep Him") . No, I can't put this man down. I might help him be a little funnier once in a while, but he's a good dude. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 5/15/2008 9:11:11 PM |
People often argue he's taking advantage of desperate men...
I'd say well over 90% of such people have Oprah on their TiVo list...
I've read David DeAngelo (not his actual book but I'm on his e-mail list), Mystery, Neil Strauss, Savoy, and a few others, and have made friends with some very skilled PUA's and have learned the most important things.
The most important thing I have learned, and that any PUA worth his salt will tell you -- 80% of mastering pick-up comes from confidence. No matter what lines or skills you have at your disposal, unless you can easily envision success, you will never get it. Frankly, that's true with any endeavor in life.
All that I have read from DeAngelo and others would amount to nothing without the constant effort I make to improve myself and my ability to like myself. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 5/15/2008 9:17:45 PM | Show me the part of the program that teaches you how to get a college degree, advance in your career, pay your bills
I know a lot of PUA's and just about all of them are either in college getting a degree or have very good jobs. I have a master's degree, a lucrative career in a competitive field, and was an officer in the military for six years, having left with an honorable discharge. You'd think a guy like that would be a chick magnet. Nope. I never even had a girlfriend in my life and would literally go years between first dates.
The reason is simple -- education and career might make you a successful person, but it doesn't go very far in making you an attractive man. I have succeeded in all the areas of life that you have mentioned above, but it has done absolutely nothing for me when it comes to dating. I started learning these techniques to change that fact.
and support your family...
Um, you didn't think this one through, eh? If a guy has a family already, then he sure as hell doesn't need to be doubling his dating! Quite a lot of the guys learning from DeAngelo and others are doing so because a family is precisely what they want! | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 5/15/2008 9:23:25 PM |
I think how to treat a woman nicely and so well she wont have any doubt you're the man for her would be a better option.
Bollocks.
Guys who follow that kind of advice invariably end up on PoF creating "nice guy" threads. Treating a woman "nicely" is a sure-fire way to end up in the "friend zone." | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 5/16/2008 3:24:45 PM | justJohn561
Part of his "technique" is to go to bars, get to know all the bouncers/owners/bartenders, so you can impress women by walking into a club and "know" everyone there... Sure, impressive... to women that frequent bars/clubs and are impressed by "VIP" status. Other than those women mentioned above, his techniques are not so good for interacting with real people at work or any where else for that matter.
I beg to differ, he's teaching guys how to communicate to women. I imagine he advises going to bars as they are frequented by women. Maybe you choose to believe it doesnt work with 'real people' (as you put it) to fit in with you're belief system.
Show me the part of the program that teaches you how to get a college degree, advance in your career, pay your bills and support your family... THEN we can talk about how he's teaching you to be a man.
There is'nt. Read the title again. Its called 'Double your dating' not 'Double your education'
Duh
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