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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 7/21/2008 5:54:18 PM | Hi,
I am aware of David de Angelo's techniques and of Neil Strauss's.
I read somewhere that they WORK. But only on women with low self esteem.
I totally agree with this. This**** and funny routine I would recognise in an instant and these guys would be wasting their time with me because I would think they were obnoxious, laugh at them, then make my excuses and leave.
Sure, this stuff works, on shallow, insecure and immature women. Women with healthy self-esteem simply won't put up with this! I know for a fact that one guy tried this routine on me and it didn't work. It just irritated the hell out of me.
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 7/22/2008 7:13:49 PM | I've read some of the stuff out of curiosity and entertainment, and I would say when it's taken to extreme, yes, it will usually only work on women who are insecure but at the same time not ditzy. However, otherwise, on the original premise, it works on women who are the ones at the bar that most men drool over (which does not require a 9 or a 10, once guys have had drinks at a bar). Works with younger women easier, I would imagine.
The basic premise of c0cky-funny is, you're c0cky, sure, but you're not *entirely* serious about it -- you're being funny woven in with it. You're razzing. It's lighthearted, you're not coming off as a threat or really arrogant, but it's different than any semi-shy guy would dare. Most guys will be kiss-up-funny to a gal at a bar, but you totally separate yourself from that. It's a fine line not to be rude, while showing that you're not the kind of guy who caters to random women for attention. You're not a jerk, you're just a guy who's sizing her up as a person just as much as she's sizing you up. You razz her, but also demonstrate that you find her attractive -- without throwing out obvious compliments. You're a catch -- not a fish that jumps in the boat by itself. You give her attention, but at the same time only letting her know she MIGHT be right for you. That's the basic premise. It's different, and in an environment where the woman has guys panting and drooling over her, I believe that method is effective, sure. And it can become part of a guy's personality... and I don't think that is mean to women or anything. No meanness required when portraying yourself as a little challenging.
Spin-offs of this are taken to extreme of essentially 'treating the woman like sh!t', which is a whole other story, and it's sad. That's just asking to be the next dead-beat-dad for the lady. Sure, some women WANT to be treated like sh!t, and you can find that with pretty messed up people, but a guy would be wasting his time and rightfully his reputation going down that route. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 7/23/2008 6:57:29 AM | i enjoy reading his dating tips , there always interesting i find . although not all are 100 % practical in real life .
but some of his tips are really good i think . they definity have some use for us single guys . | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 7/23/2008 7:10:57 AM | The book is GARBAGE, in my opinion. It creates nothing but angry, bitter, men. And, it teaches them to take advantage of women. It doesn't even come close to reality, in regards to what women are really searching for. Give it a rest, will ya David?
The guy relates his past as 'poor him, couldn't get any dates'. He has a mom and sisters who laugh at some guys that they previously dated (most women don't stand around and do this, by the way, unless the guys act like David), and then, he sells the guys some books and calls them names to get under their skin; names he knows will trigger intense emotions (woosie, pansy, etc.) What's worse, is these guys are so insecure that they buy into the name calling, believe it or not! What guy wants to feel like a woosie, pansy; right? Naturally, if they don't want to feel like that, they buy David's garbage books and tapes. :( What an old, outdated, MANIPULATING selling point!!!
What's even worse is the guys who buy into it, try to teach the silly antics to other insecure men that aren't having luck with their dating, which ruins the other guy's chance of any type of 'real' relationship with 'any' REAL women, which makes the guys even more bitter and undateable!
Sure, some of the better looking ones might get laid by the kids (girls 20 something), because many women at that age are still in the stage of trying to 'change' someone (especially the badboy personna), by using their sexual prowess, as opposed to using their heart and brain...but, the relationship is doomed to failure, right from the start, because as soon as she finds out he's not that person 'inside', she loses interest! YOU CAN'T FAKE WHO YOU ARE, FOR LONG!
So, if you want to get laid, break some gal's heart who is just out of her teens, have her become some hardened bit ch and eventually take it out on one of your buddies, go for it!
However, if you're after a 'real' relationship with a 'normal' female...don't buy the book and use it on her! Or, take the book and burn it, if you already bought it, quickly, before you get any stupid ideas that are bound to cause failure in ANY relationship.
IT'S COMPLETE GARBAGE!!
By the way, I'm also a writer of a known relationship book. I challenged David, outright. To this date, he still won't see my challenge, or even make it public. Ask me why. Because he knows his book is nothing more than a bunch of made up milarky!! Oh...and to boot, he has absolutely NO credentials regarding relationships, or even human nature. Is he even married? NOOOOOO!!! Never was, and maybe, never will be! | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 7/23/2008 8:52:19 AM | Whoaaa.... chill out there sweetthang! I can see that it's not just men that David's making "angry, [and] bitter".
For the "insecure men that aren't having luck with their dating" though, I would think that a new perspective would be right up their alley. Ever notice all the "NiceGuys" kicking around here? Maybe they could use a little help in not being so "Nice". Let's face it, he's not in the business of helping women get what they want, it's to help men. That the women are better off for it is just a happy coincidence.
Congratulations on having your own relationship book. I'm sure it's much larger than David's. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 7/23/2008 11:05:08 AM | I think guys like Mystery, Neil Strauss and David De-Angelo offer some really good tips although, even if I could afford it, I would not pay £1000 for someone to teach me how to get women. You see, women have been studying "us" since they were old enough to read. They're having parties, giggling, and talking about the advantages of playing hard to get, not returning phone calls, flirting strategies, not looking desperate, body language. They're learning the "game" and how to play it... and very very well. But for men ? Well it’s a lot different. Men are shown women in Magazines, everywhere but what men aren’t shown is how to attract these women.
Yeah, yeah I know in films such as 'The Nutty Professor' where Eddie Murphy stars as Norbit or 'Me, Myself, & Irene' (Jim Carey as Charlie), the nice sweet guy gets the girl. In reality this isn't true, it isn't what actually happens. So De-Angelo basically teaches guys, nice guys, the guys who women say they want how to attract women, simple as that. It’s not manipulation or anything because for a lot of guys acting on any attraction they may have for a woman is like navigating an obstacle course. The reality is that most men just can't simply put on a short dress and act sexy, expect women will flock to them. Where as even a average woman, can have men running to her for sex.
We have to work on our game. So talking or reading about guys like Strauss, De-Angelo can be like talking to master scientists that have dissected and analyzed every element of the sport. Talking to some women about dating can be like talking to a talented footballer. He just can do, so he does. However his lack of in depth knowledge does not necessarily make him an ideal candidate to be a good coach or manager. I've never liked that you have to 'game' them to get a date, a kiss, and then sex say or do the wrong thing anywhere along the way, and bang ! You're instantly disqualified from getting some but I’ve realised that it is necessary to be a bit distant in a game where you can be short-circuited by a women at any stage of the seduction process.
TRUE seduction turns the tables on women by making them wish you weren't so distant, even though it was they who required you to keep a distance in the first place. If women didn't want men who were distant, they would not rig the game so that men had to keep their cards close to the chest in order to succeed. So yeah De-Angelo, Neil Strauss and others are good for men. I mean, I wouldn’t pay £1000 for them but these were men who changed from being unsuccessful with women to having more options than they could handle. So in my opinion, you should not listen to women’s advice above De-Angelo advice. Why ? Well in simple terms. If you wanted to know how to beat Mike Tyson. Who would you ask ? ….Mike Tyson ? Or someone who knocked Tyson out in the first round ? | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 7/23/2008 11:18:46 AM | The *fixing your inner game* stuff is nonsense. The way you feel about yourself has absolutely no correlation to how other people respond to you.
I can attest, though, absolutely that the teasing mocking thing does make you much more attractive to a girl than being a nice guy ever has! | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 7/23/2008 11:45:15 AM |
Once a man loves and accepts who he is and displays the characteristics of a BALANCED man (not a door mat, not a jerk) he won't NEED to play games or use lines or techniques. He will NATURALLY attract the right woman for him based on who he is. He will already BE different and separate himself from other men. The overweight or unattractive men you see with extremely attractive women have already learned this.
Sorry mate. This is untrue.
Self-confidence DOES NOT ATTRACT WOMEN! It makes you feel better about yourself, yes, but the way you feel about yourself DOES NOT AFFECT the way people interact with you.
I think the key is to be bold. You must be outgoing and find the ways to attract women. I'm not entirely sold on the tricks, but dating most definitely is a game that you need to learn the rules to play.
If being yourself includes elements that women perceive as desperate or insecure, even if you accept these things about yourself, will consistenly lead to rejection and failure. Period.
You have to learn how to change yourself in order to have any hope at finding someone. The dating programs help guys to figure out ways to do this. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 7/23/2008 12:02:24 PM | Ive seen it time and time again, oh just be yourself because DD's stuff (or any others gurus stuff) is bullshit. But WTF is being yourself? Or heres my favorite, "just be confident" when in fact, many men as well as women dont even know what the hell that means. People believe confidence to be some pie in the sky power that just pops up in you like magic and it doesnt work like that.
Your confidence comes from trial and error. It comes from getting rejected over and over and over again and not getting butt hurt over it. It comes from the success you do gain along the way as well. When youve been in the field long enough you will have a stronger sense of who you are and what you can offer a woman. It will get to the point where you can use a one liner on a woman and it will work but you wont have to because you will have taken the failures and success you have with past attempts with women and get it right.
David D teaches you some ways in which you can accomplish this, and so do others such as neil strauss. And yes its true, DD is more about you having the balls to attract the women you desire, not keeping them. However, as a man you have to take a step back and look at that closely. Do you want to settle down? Do you want one night stands? Do you want a girlfriend? What do you want? If you want long term David teaches you how to get them, you have to look within yourself and others as to how to keep a woman. If you dont want to keep a woman and are content with many, then some of what David offers may be all you need. But thats the thing you have to figure out.
I could go on and on about how and why it isnt in a mans best interest to seek a woman to help him meet his goals for attracting the women he desires, but thats not the point of this post. I can say that if you have gotten past the intial dating stage with a woman you are interested (which outside of confidence buliding is all David D can help you with anyway) in, then you can easily and openly find out what her needs are and meet them. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 7/25/2008 3:52:43 PM | Whoaaa.... chill out there sweetthang! I can see that it's not just men that David's making "angry, [and] bitter".
For the "insecure men that aren't having luck with their dating" though, I would think that a new perspective would be right up their alley. Ever notice all the "NiceGuys" kicking around here? Maybe they could use a little help in not being so "Nice". Let's face it, he's not in the business of helping women get what they want, it's to help men. That the women are better off for it is just a happy coincidence.
Congratulations on having your own relationship book. I'm sure it's much larger than David's.
Actually, it's not bitterness on my part, nor anger, toward David or any of his followers. I wouldn't date you guys, though, if you used it on me, hehe. Does that tell you anything? If you want to "level the field" by using 'kids', be my guest. That's your perogative. But, in my personal opinion, it's downright slimey! Honestly, it doesn't work with 'real women'. Why not try it on the normal crowd and find out for yourself? Don't take my word for it. The first time you PLAY the GAMES he teaches you to PLAY, you would be OUT THE DOOR, at least, if you tried it on a REAL WOMAN! I made the important words, larger, so that you actually SEE what I'm saying.
In fact, you're making a huge mistake, because the ladies you're hunting WON'T stick with you. All you're doing, by using it on women, is MAKING SURE that MORE women DON'T WANT TO SLEEP WITH MEN!!! Eventually, you'll run out of women to "TRY ON", so to speak, and you'll create MORE OF THE WOMEN YOU ALREADY HATE! Sound healthy to you?
No, you're right...my book is not as popular, and I'm ok with that. You see, I 'CHOOSE' NOT to use the TACTICS David uses, to get you to buy my book. Instead, I use honesty, as opposed to manipulation. I use 'real life situations' with 'ADULTS', as opposed to unsuspecting children. I use straight forwardness, as opposed to slimey tactics that are geared to reach someone at a SUBLIMINAL level in their brains, a place they have no control over...and I'm not talking about the outdated methods you're attempting to use on the women. I'm speaking about what he uses on you men, in order to sell his books and tapes to you. Sad!! You guys have fallen for the oldest tricks in the book!
Think of it this way...if he's teaching you to manipulate little girls, which is essentially what they are, barely out of their teens, this is the next set of women that will grow up hating men. And, he's selling you his books to do it. Don't you think he knows how to manipulate you men into buying his books and tapes?
Here's another point to take into account...he's NOT a woman, but he's attempting to tell you guys what a WOMAN THINKS?? Ahem, and WHEN HAVE YOU EVER KNOWN A MAN THAT KNEW WHAT A WOMAN REALLY THOUGHT? I know therapists that don't know what women really think, but David has some magic pill that has determined THEIR REAL THOUGHTS? Ok, if that's what you want to believe, keep lining his pockets with your money, hehe. By the way, I have a bridge for you fellas too...it only costs $20.00 a pop, and it comes with a money back guarantee, hehe. Sure!! | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 7/25/2008 4:28:24 PM |
All it does is level the playing field, where (MOST) men have been handicapped
for so long, and my god, how that loss of power threatens some women!
Do you really believe that? You were never really handicapped. But, David sure told you that you were. Instead, you were seeking the incorrect type of lady...which is based on the type of relationship you had with one of your parents. You want to know why you're not successful with relationships? Seek out therapy, and you might be.
You really think it threatens women? Hehe, oh brother! I hate to tell you this, friend, but most women could care less whether you come or go. Most women have plenty of men to choose from. So, if you think that you coming up to them and telling them some joke aimed at their self esteem, is supposed to make them interested in you...well, would it get you interested in a woman if she told you, "Hey, bud...you're fat, but you'll do. I don't know what all these women see in you, but I'll let you call me if you play your cards right."
Would you be interested? I highly doubt it! Some of the more insecure fellows might...but most of them, would be just out of their teens, if that much!
Women would not find it funny, except the ones that are just out of their teens and don't know what to do with some fella who is putting them down.
I can't tell you how many have attempted to use this stuff on me. Bye, bye, they're out of there...and NO SECOND CHANCES! They're history...bada bing, bada boom, Gonzo! Another one bites the dust!
Now, if I do that, can you imagine how many thousands of other women are doing the exact same thing? They are laughing at you fellas who use it, in case you're not aware of it. But, hey...go fill his pockets with your money. Please, feel free!  | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 7/25/2008 4:38:20 PM | David D teaches you some ways in which you can accomplish this, and so do others such as neil strauss. And yes its true, DD is more about you having the balls to attract the women you desire, not keeping them.
The key words here are NOT KEEPING THEM!
A long term relationship? David? What, are you kidding me? I doubt David even knows what a long term relationship is. He can't even address the 'known' anger issues he's created amongst many men toward the opposite sex. And, yet, he's going to address the other issues that happen in a 'real relationship'? Yeah, right, maybe in his dreams!
He's going to give you the secret to life, regarding women?? hehe PLEASE, GET REAL, fellas! Wake up from this wild fantasy, he's trying to sell you on.
Do you really think his gf/wife would put up with him calling her names? NO WAY! Fellas, calling names is nothing less than ABUSE. This is so much milarky, and if you buy into it, well...all I can say is, I wouldn't want to be you!
Will you get the gals? The only type of female you will get is a kid barely out of her teens; one that doesn't have a clue. Once she figures the game out, though...she will be leaving you for the next one that treats her with the respect she deserves. Just something to think about. And, when that happens, you will be even more bitter regarding women. You won't even associate it to the crap that David has taught you. Sad, eh?
You want to know what women want...what attracts them to you?
Here it is:
1. Be honest...don't lie to her, at all.
2. Always put her ahead of yourself.
3. Don't ask her to pay for dates.
4. She likes it a little when you worry about her with other men,
but don't go overboard.
5. Treat her like you would your best friend!
6. If you want to attract her, smile! And, then, keep smiling her way. Don't say another word. He who speaks first, loses! If someone else picks her up, there is always another day (in a bar situation). She will usually make the first move, if you don't. If you want to make the first move...do so. Just walk over and say, Hi, would you care to (fill in the blank with whatever...dance, talk, chat, etc.)
7. Pull out her chair for her, and offer a seat. If she says, no thanks, I can do that myself...smile and stand aside. She will guide you from that point on. :)
8. Always be a gentleman, and treat her like a lady.
9. Don't check out other women when you're on a date with her (she has eyes in the back of her head, so don't think she doesn't know when you do it.)
10. Don't talk about sex until she brings it up.
These are just some of the things that attract a woman, and keeps her thinking of you. Simple, but I think you get the drift. And, I didn't even mention that you should buy my book. How about that!
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 7/27/2008 7:25:57 AM | C'mon now Sweetthang, don't be like that! We both know you're all about game playing, it's just that you like to be in charge of the game. Can't hold that against you. but you get no props either. You seem to be very hung up on things like tactics as you call them, which I think, is why you're missing the bigger picture. It's true that guys want these tactics and whatnot (pickup lines etc) to instantly improve their success with women, and it's equally true that David does teach some of this stuff, but that's not the point. Ultimately, it's not the goal to collect a bag of tricks. The point is to understand what attraction is all about so that he can incorporate that into his own persona. It's about moving away from the "getting a woman that will have you" attitude to "getting a woman that you want". This really, really isn't rocket science - it's just self-improvement in a fairly narrow area - that being attractiveness to the women that the guys want. It appeals to guys because none of this requires guys to change their fundamental values or interests, unless those interests include being a doormat.
I find it curious though, that you persist in the binary categorization of women into the works-on, and doesn't-work-on groups, the former you refer to as "little girls" and the latter as the "real women". It really does sounds like your definitions are based on whether David's "tactics" work on them or not. If these "tactics" did work on a 45 year old woman, would you be calling her a little girl too? | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 7/27/2008 7:30:18 AM |
1. Be honest...don't lie to her, at all.
2. Always put her ahead of yourself.
3. Don't ask her to pay for dates.
4. She likes it a little when you worry about her with other men,
but don't go overboard.
5. Treat her like you would your best friend!
6. If you want to attract her, smile! And, then, keep smiling her way. Don't say another word. He who speaks first, loses! If someone else picks her up, there is always another day (in a bar situation). She will usually make the first move, if you don't. If you want to make the first move...do so. Just walk over and say, Hi, would you care to (fill in the blank with whatever...dance, talk, chat, etc.)
7. Pull out her chair for her, and offer a seat. If she says, no thanks, I can do that myself...smile and stand aside. She will guide you from that point on. :)
8. Always be a gentleman, and treat her like a lady.
9. Don't check out other women when you're on a date with her (she has eyes in the back of her head, so don't think she doesn't know when you do it.)
10. Don't talk about sex until she brings it up.
Sounds like an excerpt from "Double your Niceguy". No wonder there are so many of them around here complaining that they can't get a date. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 7/27/2008 7:37:27 AM | Not only was I a Dave D'angelo reader.. I was a female member. Someone brought this guy and his sight to my attention a few years back. I learned a lot and was quite mortified by what I read.
Now to be fair. I can honestly admit that the odd thing might get my attention. But a lot of what he said to do repeatedly there was no way in hell I'd put up with that nonsense.
Always remember hot chicks are just like anybody else. Sooner or later they will get sick of it and you have a very angry woman on your hands that just won't bother with you. You might get them initially but not for long term treating them like that. Definately not a serious relationship. You blow any chances in that right off the bat by not "playing " it straight.
might I add... Dave D'Angelo is still single!
I wonder why?
Or is that just a ploy to sell books??? | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 7/27/2008 5:38:25 PM | Bottom line,.. if a woman is attracted to you, she'll date you, if she's not.. she wont..
Why is this so hard for some men to understand? I have never ever in my whole entire life, dated a man that I did'nt find attractive,.. I dont care how much 'game ' he had, how much personality, how much gift of the gab...
Men who persist in trying to chat you up, when you've made up your mind that his looks are not what you like,.. are just going to make themselves annoying.
Simple as that.
Learn to accept NO as an answer,.. and try again with a different woman.
Sheesh.. you guys really make a complicated issue out of something thats very simple.
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 7/27/2008 8:03:14 PM | This is what I think:
If you are looking to "seduce" women, i.e. have one-night stands and/or straight up sex, then his advice works (at least from people that I know have used it). There are LOTS of similar products out there...and all of them smell of snake oil.
However, the real life basics that are taught by most of these books and services (i.e. having confidence, killing approach anxiety, NOT using pick-up lines, etc. etc.) are what I think are most important for anyone even trying to look for a relationship actively. It's about going out there, taking a risk, and accepting that you will fail sometimes. If you ask anyone who's even half-decent with getting women for whatever reason, they will tell you easily about the success stories they had...and skim through the whole host of failures they went through too.
On top of that, if you just jump in the pool and start talking to women, you might even LEARN something! If you ask women about their experiences with men (especially those that are in relationships or are married), they will be more than glad to tell you about them and what they (and most other girls) hate about guys that approach them. You'll be surprised how easy it is to get a woman to talk to you, want to get to know you and maybe go further with you...
BTW: Quality women (in your eyes) will not fall for lots of the bullshit that's taught by the PUAs. Relationships always take time to build, and they are wonderful when done this way. :-)
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 7/27/2008 8:10:32 PM | Another thing:
A lot of the techniques taught by the PUAs work...if you're not completely obvious about it. Being****-and-funny shouldn't make the woman feel bad; I've used it just to make women smile, and it works almost every single time.
When you make a woman smile or laugh, they will talk to you, even if it's for a minute or two. Sometimes, you might get amazing conversations that lead to better things, but most times you will not.
Personally, I hate people who manipulate women for the sake of having sex. Not only does it make the woman (usually) feel worse after everything's said and done, it makes it harder for people who do have good intentions to really show them forthright! | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 7/28/2008 9:01:01 AM | Never forget that**** and funny doesn't work with feminists! lol
They don't have a sense of humor anyway, and good thing, because
they would be the last woman you would want, anyway!
If a woman is laughing, she is comfortable!
I personally don't follow any relationship Guru's advice, as to what to
do, or what not to do. I do, however recognize what principles are at
work in my never ending quest to understand the REAL female mind
and how it works, as opposed to what Females say. And the ultimate
quest, to understand why so many females do things and make choices
that they themselves deny that they do, and I think in some bizarre way
even believe that! | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 7/30/2008 10:52:05 PM | [Furthermore, have any women read his works and what do y'all think of his advice?]
Thank you so much for posting this. I dated a guy several years ago who was big into David DeAngelo. I broke it off even though I really cared for him, because he couldn't communicate properly and was always being cruel.....it really bordered on verbally abusive. He was an incredibly sensitive man deep down, but could just never drop his guard. When I read the DD posts and 'advice', I realized that my guy had been trying to work this on me, and that it had driven me away.
He just contacted me AGAIN after 5 years, and I thought maybe he had learned something.....nope! It took me less than a month to leave this time. David DeAngelo advises men that ALL women like their men to tease them and that showing emotions makes you some sort of wuss. Ridiculous! And he states that women who don't respond to his 'tricks' are insecure and needy. That's just pure b.s. Women with their heads on straight and their self-esteem intact like kind men who communicate and show consideration. The women that respond to David D. are women who have their own set of issues that make them respond to that jerky behavior. Please don't make the same mistake my (2 time) ex did. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 7/31/2008 9:01:20 PM | I started reading David DeAngelo's free e-mail newsletters in 2004; did it on a lark. I must admit, though I'm a guy. I
am cynical and part of me thinks that he ghostwrites 99 percent of his mailbag; threads are practically the same, give
or take a locale or circumstance-wussy guy reads DYD and David and suddenly becomes Cassanova, Dating Superhero.
The guy is a marketing genius. Plain, WASPY Eben Pagan adopts cool, Italian sounding name and taps into self-help
dating market. I will give him that.
I have seen his tactics used with mixed results. One guy decided that he would bust a gal's balls so to speak. We were
all at a pub together and this gal, a bar waitress/manager busted his balls about a hat he was wearing. So, he busted back, using some C&F , commenting on her wardrobe.. Needless to say, it backfired and she ignored him the remainder of
the time, while talking to the other guys in group.
I have seen it work but in the proper conditions. I had a friend who has a background in social sciences, marketing and
interpersonal psychology look at DeAngelo's stuff. He also is an expert in relationships as part of his background.
He observed that the material most likely would work on women aged 18-21, who are either heavy into the party/club
scene or are uneducated urban dwellers.
Like any "system," it usually works under the right conditions. Let me use a football analogy from last year. The Patriots
ran up a lot of points and went undefeated. Their offense seemd invincible. But, a great deal of that simply was their schedule. Their division opponents-Bills, Jets, Dolphins-all were losing teams with poor defenses. Many other teams did not play the right defense, maybe in awe or tried to use overcomplicated cover schemes. In the Super Bowl, the Giants simplified
the equation to getting to Tom Brady; attack line and create backfield pressure on every play. So, yes, a team can go
undefeated, run up lots of points and seem godlike; under the right conditions-weak schedule and weak defenses that
react , not counterattack.
Same with this stuff. As I stated, it likely will work on a certain demographic, generally applied using the shotgun or boiler room numbers game approach; go to several clubs or bars and talk to as many females as possible until finding those
who either don't mind that a guy is using a system as long as she enjoys interacting with him; or simply is a natural
customer who will buy it, hook, line and sinker.
He does have some good points-confidence, be funny and interesting, don't be needy-pushy-wussy-psycho stalker (may
get unwanted police attention doing that). Some of the other stuff, like kid a woman like your little sister, eh, not
sure about that. Also, constantly busting balls, not sure about that either. It's fun when the gal can laugh at herself
and be in on the joke. It's stale when the guy is being sardonic on the edge of being a jerk when TRYING to
be funny.
At day's end, enjoy it for what it is, take the good pointers from it but don't swear on it like a holy book. After all, he is
simply a marketer/salesman who throws a tad of entertainment/showmanship into the mix, using dating and
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