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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/22/2006 3:53:57 PM | A friend of mine signed me up for David D's newsletters as a joke. I read them every now and then. I haven't spent a penny on his stuff, and I probably never will.
Both the best and the worst in this thread about his material is spot on. At its best, his material teaches men to be confident when approaching women, laid back, more at ease, and makes you think about what you're saying before you say it, and how you come across.
However, if you take it too seriously, yes, it can turn you into a manipulative b*stard.
As for the women who say it doesn't work, that's baloney. I watched a guy on an airplane practically read from the book while he asked a woman to sit next to him on the plane. He invaded her personal space, just like David D's stuff said. They met right before getting on the plane. Less than two hours later, they were making out. They dissappeared to find someplace private after we deplaned. She got onto my connecting flight a lot more disshelved than before.
I wish I was kidding. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/22/2006 8:27:16 PM | Sorry to break it to you sunbirdus but that's what the general consensus says. ALL of the dating gurus say this...even some mainstream dating advisors. It's a scientific fact! Try dating women for a few weeks and maybe you'll see... 
OK, maybe not ALL men are direct. Maybe some play games. There are always exceptions, but I'm confident in saying ALL women are indirect and play games whether they realize it or not.
And yes I am nuts but that's besides the point ;p Thanks! | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/22/2006 10:15:39 PM | Hey, ima_gin maybe you should try dating men...and then you can tell
me all their lines they lay on you is being direct, men will say, agree to
anything if it makes what is inbetween their legs happy at the moment
and thats a scientific fact!!!DIRECTLY speaking: someone who's only
26 shouldnt be too confident about anything yet.... | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/22/2006 10:40:35 PM | I found his work very interesting. And I thought it is just like that book "The Rules" for girls...it is a way for men with no confidence to pretend that they have some.
Not a bad thing in itself, as pretending you have confidence usually leads to the real thing.
However, when those guys meet up with a GIRL who has real confidence, she will see straight through the game, and may just call him on it.
That's what I would do.
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/23/2006 12:17:39 AM | If a man employs these tactics and gets a woman, I suggest to you that there is something else going on. I suggest to you that she wanted whatever happened to happen and was not seduced unknowingly. Sometimes women want a connection just as much as men do. If you appear confident, she will gravitate towards you if she finds you physically appealing and is in the proper head space.
Sincerely, I find that most women will lose interest if a man is indifferent to them or if he pays more attention to another woman. They find the behaviour very rude, not enticing. If the man suddenly starts showing interest, the woman might not give him a second chance. Girls and women don't like to be snubbed. The scenario might change somewhat in a bar if alcohol is being consumed. We all know that alcohol lowers inhibitions and suppresses feelings.
I once started a thread on Dr. Phil's approach to dating for women, just to get feedback from people on his theories which did involve some deceit. Almost down to a tee, men were offended by the tactics Dr. Phil suggested...such as introducing competition if a man's interest is waning. He suggested not making yourself available for dates if asked at the last moment, ie, on an impulse date. He suggested playing it cool, that if you showed too much interest, a fellow would lose interest.
The general consensus on the thread on Dr. Phil was that men don't like to be manipulated and would in fact, lose interest in a woman who would try to play them like that. The ironic thing was that most of the women who posted to the thread, were irate at Dr. Phil's suggestions too, and said they would never play such games with a man.
I find both sexes play games, knowingly and unknowingly. There is something to be said for not falling all over someone you are interested in. I don't think either sex likes that. It is also makes sense that self confidence is attractive to both sexes and being a doormat is not. But when you start 'deliberately' playing people, you risk losing them. That is not attractive in the least for men or women. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/23/2006 6:04:16 AM | sunburdus.
Well as a 46 year old woman.. you should know when a man is interested in you, and you can most likely tell what he's thinking or feeling most of the time. Scientifically, women are found to be better at reading body language, voice tonality and so on. It's not so easy for men. Women never tell us exactly how they feel or what they want. It's like you are reading us in English and we are reading you in uhm, some alien language. It's not fair. That's why it helps us to have guides.  | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/23/2006 7:12:27 AM | I get DD emails on a regular basis (for free..I would never buy this stuff!)...provides good comic relief to the world of m/f relationships... Can be a little like "Wild and Crazy Guys" and gold chains for the new millenia..
On the plus side it does give some pointers on building self confidence, what your body language is saying etc....basically trying to teach you not to be a bumbling idiot around other people...I'm surprised that DD has not figured out that he can market this stuff to the business world...
On the negative side, at some point it does all become very manipulative and fake. Its one thing to have a little healthy tension in a relationship that drives attraction. Its another to constantly play with jealously, etc. I suppose if you want to attract a partner that will constantly f**k with your head it will work great...oh wait...this is mostly about putting notches in your belt vs. open/honest relationships.. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/23/2006 8:30:55 AM | | Yeah right like men never bought these pheromone aftershaves which at the time was supposed to make you more sexually attractive to women......or was it just me who bought 4 cases at a time... | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/23/2006 12:00:10 PM | Nonsense! She is absolutely spot on. Unfortunately, you are being convinced otherwise. And this is the cause of many singleton's headaches. Men playing women and women wising up to the 'game' and as a result, no one trust one another enough to engage in a relationship. It's all about he's playing me and she's only after ____ (insert thing).
If you simply were yourself, you might actually find someone who will like you for you!! Not because of some trick you played. Btw, I am now fully convinced, it's a nitwit who will respond to the 'game' and if you're okay with dating a 'nitwit', then certainly continue your 'game'.
As to the girl who does not respond to the 'game'? She is the quality prospect you would hope the men are choosing for longer term relationships. Sadly, considering what I am reading, that is NOT the case.
How'dya like them bananas?
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/23/2006 12:04:31 PM | "In fact, the more men know "game" or how to effectively and quickly convey the attractive aspects of their personalities the better the worl is for everyone"
And the more women spread the word the men are playing the "game" bet the bank you'll be kicked to the curb and / or taken advantage of...because you were manipulating.
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/23/2006 12:33:36 PM |
It also seems that there is a double standard here. Many of the women who've posted think this stuff is manipulative, but how many read the articles in the women's magazines about finding the right guy, catching the right guy, getting noticed by the right guy, turning on the right guy, etc., etc.? Spend a few boring minutes in a grocery checkout line and you'll know what I'm talking about!
I think they both suck. No double standard here at least. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/23/2006 1:24:48 PM | | I read Neil Strauss's book "The Game," and as I live in England I had never heard of the boot camps and gurus that were described in the book. The book itself is a great read and I think the point he was making was that often the people who dish out this advice are severely dysfunctional. I was intrigued by 'Mystery' one of the gurus. I joined his site and received his newsletter once a week. Mystery admits that everything in N S's book is true, but it doesn't seem to have stopped him giving advice. Most of it would probably get you laid if the woman was drunk or extremely bored, but I can't see how anyone would form a long term relationship using these tactics. One point he made I agreed with. The way men approach women can be unimaginative. And I think *original* openers would go a long way to at least get a woman to have a drink with you. All of Mystery's openers have been done to death, so you would need some new ones. I would respond to something fresh and original. As NS says in his book women can recognise the rehearsed lines and they tell the guys to get a new guru. Mystery seemed barking mad in the book, maybe DDA is too. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/23/2006 1:35:09 PM | Holy crap maverick. Small internet. I don't suppose you know court? Heading out to a party with him tonight.
Anyway, I've yet to see an intelligent response from any of the females bashing this stuff. It's been pretty much copies of "well i havn't read it, but i've heard that his material is X Y Z and that's wrong, no quality woman would fall for that lollzzz"
Basically, there are a lot of men out there that have never had any clue how to speak to women in a way that will generate attraction. They might never have a clue. It can be a very lonely way to live. Then someone comes along having researched women and attraction for years, and has a book that describes why they are afraid to approach women, why that's silly, what women are attracted to and why, and how they can go about sorting out their own lives in order to become more attractive to the opposite sex.
In one of the eight hour seminars I have, he spends nearly six hours simply talking about how important it is to sort our your own life before introducing anyone else to it, and how being a complete person is the most attractive thing there is. He goes on and on about exactly why men are nervous around women, then spends a large amount of time attacking that insecurity from numerous angles. He then talks at length about exactly what it is that women find attractive in a man, and how many men have been brought up to believe that women find the exact opposite attractive.
Finally, after spending hours and hours talking about all the ways to improve yourself(which is so far from being commonsense for many men that they would never have figured it out otherwise) he finally starts giving examples of c*cky comedy in action. He's not handing out lines because the point is not to memorize these things and use only them, but to understand why these things work, and then incorporate that understanding into your own personality.
Any who, i'm not going to waste any more time. Those that are open minded and receptive to new ideas have already seen how David D and other gurus offer unique tools for attracting women, closed and small minded people have already decided that it's silly and stupid, and won't have their minds changed. Best of luck with your "love will just happen by accident if you act like yourself" attitudes. I wonder how many people have died alone with attitudes like that? You can all keep fishing with the same worms your whole life and hope that sooner or later something bites. I'm going to experiment with different baits and see if I can't improve my odds.
Just a few final points:
Why doesnt Deangelo have a GF?: last seminar i watched with him he was in a serious relationship.
Why hasnt' he thought of applying this to business: I'm pretty sure that he has.
Don't pay for this stuff! You can download it lollz!: That's illegal, and immoral, IMO
LOL omg, a novel about a novel(simply peachy): I'm aware that you're unable to write a coherant sentence, let alone a paragraph or two, but try not to get in the way of the adults having a discussion. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/23/2006 1:57:39 PM | | There's nothing wrong with changing your bait, but when you dangle that bait in front of every woman who crosses you path, that's insincere. How would guys like it if woman had a handbook and used it on every male she fancied. I am different with every person I meet. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/23/2006 2:08:04 PM |
There's nothing wrong with changing your bait, but when you dangle that bait in front of every woman who crosses you path, that's insincere.
did you read the part where the book wasn't about using lines, or are you just replying to select bits of what I wrote?
Perhaps you are saying that hitting on many women is insincere. My personaly philosophy is that there are a lot of things that go into making a woman attractive. The first thing that I will notice is her body, face, clothing, etc. Physical attractiveness. If i find a woman physically attractive, I will talk to her. Period. At this point, I will use the conversation to see if I am attracted to her personality. If I am, then I'll do my best to make her attracted to me. I don't see how that's insincere at all. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/23/2006 3:01:56 PM | makingupaname, I've read a lot of David D's stuff, he touches on some important things like sorting your life out, but he doesn't go deep enough.
The c*cky comedy stuff, that's not something every man can learn to do and doesn't work on a lot of women. It's a false security blanket for insecure men.
Men who are confident don't need to learn**** comedy. They just need to learn to love and accept who they are. Then they will attract the RIGHT woman for them. What David D. teaches is basically throw a bunch of hooks and eventually you'll land a fish.
Great. But without being ok with yourself, having solid confidence, it doesn't matter how many of those hooks you throw out there. None of them will lead to a serious, fulfilling relationship.
All this dating advice does for the most part it teach men how to be players. They don't teach them the foundation (to any decent degree) that is necessary to have a lasting, fulfilling relationship. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/23/2006 3:17:08 PM | I really don't see how that opinion is validated, especially since you've stated it as though it is fact, but I suppose you are entitled to it.
I don't see a "false security blanket" when I read David D's stuff. I see training wheels. Many confident men just dont' know how to talk to women. I used to approach women all the time and would always walk away with new friends. Never new romances. I read a few books by david D, among others, and suddenly my success with women takes off. It really was just a matter of changing a few small things about how i viewed my interactions with women. The results were astounding, and out of all proportion to the effort that I put in.
I'm supposed to take it on faith that when the right girl for me comes along, that she will be attracted to me just because we are soul mates? No thanks, i'm not taking that chance.
Here's how i see it. Lets take a well rounded, confident man who just doesn't know how to attract females. I know that idea might sound like an oxymoron, but trust me that it exists, and exists frequently. He meets a girl that he has a hopeless crush on. He wants her, he believes that if they were together they'd be perfect for each other. But when he talks to her, he stutters, stammers or just says something foolish and she thinks he's creepy, and won't be attracted to him.
Now, is she not attracted to him because they are wrong for each other, or because he just didn't know how to be attractive? Personally, I'm going do everything I can to learn how to attract women so that when i finally do meet the one, there will be no question as to wether or not I will be able to attract her. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/23/2006 3:29:32 PM | Dustin Hoffman: "You know, I could lay a big line on you and we could do a lot of role-playing, but the simple truth is, is that I find you very interesting and I'd really like to make love to you."
Jessica Lange: *SLAP!*
- from "Tootsie" (1982)
Would you women REALLY react much differently if someone honest came along who respected you enough to give you an equally straightforward approach? | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/23/2006 5:28:15 PM | | makingupaname I didn't say that hitting on a lot of women was insincere, I said that using the same recipe for each one was insincere. There is a lot to be said for chemistry. I have sometimes ben in a club or bar or bookshop and have been drawn to a man, he may be just sitting alone drinking a cuo of coffee. I won't know if he is inteligent, because I won't have spoken to him, I won't know if he treats his mother badly abuses his cat, or has a horroble singing voice but ... I will find myself drawn to him. Of course when I find out he does all of th above ... I marry him. Only kidding! DDA can't give you that thing called chemistry. If it's not there no amount of shtick will work. I was referring to just that one section of your post. | |
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| David Deangelo Double Your Dating - Any feedback?
Posted: 9/23/2006 5:42:13 PM | David DeAngelo is just one more of thousands of B.S. scam artists trying to make a quick buck off of desperate people.
You're better off flushing your money down the toilet. | |
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| Try Carlos Xuma
Posted: 9/23/2006 7:12:11 PM | I'm a big fan of Carlos Xuma -
Unlike David D and most of the other dating/seduction "gurus", Carlos comes across as a much more mature, grounded and serious person ... his advice is top-notch, even though writing quality is rather poor .. hehe .. but if you get a chance, listen to his audio files/podcasts .. he sounds so much better
here is a secret: his ebooks and audio files (and all other dating experts' material) can be downloaded for free if you know how to use p2p networks ... | |
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