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| Prenuptial Agreements and Maximum Child Support payment!
Posted: 1/17/2008 4:38:26 PM | That is so terrible ;; to think of going into a marriage like that.. Children shouldn't be thought of; if already having second thoughts...RUN_A_WAY  Money means nothing; it's the root of the DEVIL!! LOVE means alot more...LIFE OF HAPPINESS should be the issue...: | |
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| Prenuptial Agreements and Maximum Child Support payment!
Posted: 1/17/2008 4:46:36 PM |
Money means nothing; it's the root of the DEVIL!! LOVE means alot more...LIFE OF HAPPINESS should be the issue...:
Yeah, yeah.... as I've said before at the beginning of a live-in/marriage type relationship it's all about LOOOOOOOOOOOVVVE, but at the end it's all about the MOONNNNNEY, Hunny! | |
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Posted: 1/17/2008 6:15:11 PM | I've read this post from start to finish and I have only one comment:
I LOVE STARFUN7!!!  
How can you NOT love a woman who is so beautiful, articulate, rational, and (above all else) FAIR AND REASONABLE?!!! 
If I could, I'D chase after her! | |
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Posted: 1/18/2008 9:52:04 AM |
Yeah, yeah.... as I've said before at the beginning of a live-in/marriage type relationship it's all about LOOOOOOOOOOOVVVE, but at the end it's all about the MOONNNNNEY, Hunny!
Very well said "iago lives". You rock!!!
Also thanks Vyper. Wish I could chase after you too..  | |
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Posted: 1/18/2008 10:04:46 AM | | it all depends on their lifestyle. what if they choose to send the kids to private schools? what if they live in a home where $2500 does not cover the expenses? Sheesh I'm a single mom with one child and our expenses are $2000 + a month and we live modestly. what about inflation? it doesn't sound good at all. He's thinking numbers if it doesnt work out and they arent even married. I would rethink this if I were her. | |
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| Prenuptial Agreements and Maximum Child Support payment!
Posted: 1/20/2008 12:28:44 AM | | How about a pre-nup that is more reasonable to the realities of life ...........he nurtures his career while dumping all responsibily of house, home and children on her, and he expects it all for free at the expense of her career. After all that, he will fight to not have pay to child support or pay for spousal support for her loss of career.............Is this not a bum in disguise???? | |
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| Prenuptial Agreements and Maximum Child Support payment!
Posted: 1/20/2008 2:39:43 AM | awesome post cools.........margo...with all the extremely pointless off-topic and contradicting posts.....add all that and a loonie and it may get ya a bag of chips!
iago....I can't write what I really want too....and starfun....the real world auditions were held like 6 months ago in New York......
The dollar amount in child support a cs recieves dosen't reflect dollar signs in thier eyes but opportunities for their children.....so how does the CAP of money "saved" in child support reflect in the NCP's eyes?...some of you people really disgust me.. | |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 8:46:20 AM |
.....so how does the CAP of money "saved" in child support reflect in the NCP's eyes?...some of you people really disgust me..
..same as the CP. It is a savings for the kids. They are able to get what they want from the NCP as he/she is not being "sucked dry" by the CP. He/She is able to afford to give the kids the extras they need thereby alleviating the pressure on the CP. | |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 8:58:22 AM | | i have been reading all the threads and there dosent seem to be any ways of protecting the children and stopping the women from getting the gold in the end.except the comment made about haveing an equal amount of child support owing upon a brake up put in the agreement ..is this true? | |
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| Prenuptial Agreements and Maximum Child Support payment!
Posted: 1/22/2008 2:39:14 PM | I think a pre nup is a good idea, what man doesn't want to be protected nowadays. Child support should not be a part of it because that is determined by where you live.
I also agree that as a parent you should not be so selfish as to say "if my wife and I break up I am only giving you this much" because ultimately it should be about the kids. In the same token, I don't believe kids should be spoiled(ecsessively) and that spoiling leads to worse thing(example Paris Hilton). I believe their should be a cap on child support depending on situation(handicapped or what not should be able to ask for more). Then again, it is the day and age where SOME woman will do all of this on purpose so they can live off of the other person and do not appropriate the funds the way they should.
Personally, I helped build the household and walked away with nothing. I pay child support, faithfully, monthly. I see my daughter every weekend, spring break, half of christmas break, half the summer(all while still continuing to pay my child support). I pay for any extras my daughter may want. And if I could have her tomorrow full time without starting a big fight, I would and I wouldn't want one red penny from him. And we are mature enough that if my income changes, we sit down and decide what is reasonable and affordable to pay. I'm in Canada we have maintenance enforcement but my ex and I choose to be adults and deal with this on our own and it works. | |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 5:27:39 PM |
...we sit down and decide what is reasonable and affordable to pay. I'm in Canada we have maintenance enforcement but my ex and I choose to be adults and deal with this on our own and it works.
Wow..Excellent!!!...only 30 and yet so matured. Maybe you should talk to some of the "feminazis" here who think they have the right to suck a guy dry just because they have a kid(s) with him.
I wonder who was stupid enough to base a childs "needs" on the NCP's income!! "Wants" are different thing. And btw,who can afford all their kids "wants" ? | |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 6:13:19 PM | your friends are idiots.
if they are deciding what to do in case of divorce, why are they even considering children? if they are worried about their future together, WHY are these morons brining innocent kids into the mix?
they both seem incredibly selfish and pardon the pun, too stupid to breed!
breeders=gross
that is all | |
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| Prenuptial Agreements and Maximum Child Support payment!
Posted: 1/22/2008 8:55:57 PM | I agree completely ROLLERGRRL...........these 2 should not even think about breeding until they get some counselling on the realities of life and raising a family.
As for MISS PRISS......let's hope her fairly tale bubble never bursts.
Now then, let's all go have a spot of tea with the wonderful wizard of OZ. | |
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| Prenuptial Agreements and Maximum Child Support payment!
Posted: 1/23/2008 1:17:45 PM | .
these 2 should not even think about breeding until they get some counselling on the realities of life and raising a family.
sounds like they have had all the councelling already ..possibly from there parents and agree that family maintenance is unjust and they dont want any part of it ..the government should bud out and let people change the rules with regards to there own lives and choices ..its very mature to be planning ahead of the possability of a brake up like this .
If they could come up with a legal Agreement that would affect the elegability for child support I think they would have more reasons to make it work
and one being the lack of financial gain or custody in the event of a brake up .
Wow..Excellent!!!...only 30 and yet so matured. Maybe you should talk to some of the "feminazis" here who think they have the right to suck a guy dry just because they have a kid(s) with him.
love to see more on here like you girl...
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Posted: 1/25/2008 2:01:48 AM | It is a savings for the kids. They are able to get what they want from the NCP as he/she is not being "sucked dry" by the CP. He/She is able to afford to give the kids the extras.....
^^^starfun, I am not sure what your perceptions are about how much a NCP is required to pay in child support, but it is a small fraction of the gross pay in relation to the income they make...it is less than 20%. The extras like extra cirricular activities, school trips (which can be very expensive) are shared on a sliding scale depending on the two parents income. Your suggestion of capping payments like these only gives some NCP's to withhold any or every additional expense they don't feel like paying.
If NCP's really have issue with where the money goes for extra cirricular activities, I know for a fact the court allows both parties to pay their portion directly to the parties who provide services for the children. (eg. hockey, daycare etc.)
It is only when that arrangement of "good faith" breaks down that a court orders a NCP to pay all of the kids expenses directly to a CP for extra exspences.
You cannot CAP childsupport for one NCP who happen's to make alot of money...and force another NCP who makes a minimal salary to pay a guidelined amount. It isn't right to have two sets of rules with one favouring the rich.
Let's not forget those children who will be brought into this world with a silver spoon only to be replaced with a plastic fork all because their "daddy" wanted to secure and negotiated his finacial future against their right of having a secure and happy childhood.....there are no excuses....only alot of one sided suspiscions and alot of accusations...great world to bring a kid into if this is the line of thinking..... | |
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Posted: 1/25/2008 6:02:10 AM | Lizbeth,
Quite correct there can't be two laws... and there isn't. The OP's friend was thinking $2500/month would be enough for two children, current guidelines is $3700/month - so he would have to pay an additional $1200/month. That's pretty cut and dried.
Agree with you about the issue of capping... Canada does not have two sets of laws: one for the wealthy and another for average joes. And I agree with you that extra expenses have always been above and beyond the set guideline amounts and payment is on a pro-rata based on both spouses incomes.
But I fail to see how you are equating these possible children as being born with silver spoons and reduced to plastic forks. Although a delightful, if inflammatory, turn-of-phrase, this isn't logical for at least two reasons: 1. his fiance is a doctor who will earn fairly decent coin in her own right and 2. any pre-nup that is outside the guideline amount can and will be immediately turned over by the courts if she disputes it. They can make whatever plans and agreements they want to in advance... but it won't hold together in the court if one of them changes their mind about it later. The laws are very clear that you cannot bargain away your child's rights. | |
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| Prenuptial Agreements and Maximum Child Support payment!
Posted: 1/25/2008 7:13:23 AM | In my view CAPPING does not create 2 sets of laws. Its still a single law. CAPPING means the government should pre-determine (as it has in setting min. CS), the maximum reasonable amount of money required for ANY child's needs. EVERYONE pays the set % or the max whichever is lower. I recently learned the federal government is studying the feasibility of introducing a cap in CS payments in line with the EU laws.
You cannot possibly justify a CS payment of $5000/mth for a normal child as reasonable. Lets forget about how much the NCP makes. If a CP was to be making $500,000, the government cannot force/legislate that they spend $5000/month on the kids. Why then do we think its right to force the NCP to spend thus on the kids when we all know very well that such an amount is way over the top. Moreover the NCP has no recourse to demanding the said amount paid be spent as she/he deems fit.
The interesting thing here is that we are assuming the NCP pays only 10% or so of his/her salary. Not true. Its usually more like 20%+ because the % is based on his GROSS. Take $100K/yr. Your CS for 2 kids is $1400/month. Ontario Prov taxes for $100K is approx $12K if not more. Add another $22K for Fed taxes, EI, & CPP. So now he is paying about $17K out of $66K and thats over 25%...and that is assuming he doesnt spend ANY OTHER MONEY on the kids, which we all agree is not possible.
If we are against 2 sets of laws for the wealthy and average Joes, why do we encourage that for kids....that some gets $5000/mth and others $500/mth? To avoid that scenario, then a CAP should be set. If CS is not enough, the CP can apply for the necessary supplement CCTB, FS, etc to reach that amount. Most do get these benefits anyway. | |
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Posted: 1/25/2008 7:28:31 AM | Why not just fly her to the UK where maximum payments are the rule and get married there?
And to those that say that you shouldn't go into the marriage thinking this way--- let's be honest and logical. In this day and age something like 50% of marriages end in divorce. (I'd go into a detailed analysis of why that is... but we've been there and done that. If you have money going in (like someone who makes 300K a year would [and if that's in pounds and not dollars, it's a lot more than that-- but I'm not sure]) you want to make sure you're protected.
Yes, it does take a bit of the romance out of things-- but it is just a safety net. It's better to set up a reasonable system before you get married than to go at each other tooth and nail if/when you're pissed at each other.
When I get married I plan to do so for life---- but life can surprise you. | |
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| Prenuptial Agreements and Maximum Child Support payment!
Posted: 1/25/2008 7:42:57 AM | Well, OP, I'm an attorneuy in Illinois. This is not legal advice by any stretch, but in this state, the statutory minimum child supoprt payment for two children is 28% of the non-custodial parent's net monthly income.
If your frined lived in Illinois and makes $3,000.00 a year, 28% of his GROSS monthly income is $7,000.00. I don't know what his net income is, but $2,500.00 woud certainly NOT cover child support for two children in Illinios with that kind of income.
Your friend sounds like a rich cheapskate if he wants to cheat his UNBORN children of their rightful support. He probably shouldn't have children and moreover, any provision of an antenuptial agreement attempting to limit future child support is likely to be deemed void, as the amoutn can fluctuate based upon changes in income. He probably shouldn't even get married if he's that worried about supporting his kids even before they're born, yet he makes a ton of money. And lastly, the woman in this situation must be a gold digger.
On second thought, maybe they'll make a couple of lawyers rich someday.... | |
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Posted: 1/25/2008 7:50:40 AM | Starfun... I have missed this, but where in the world did the figure of $5000/month come from?
A cs of $5000/month would mean the parent is earning about $650,000 per year in Ontario.
Edit to add: where cs is currently "unfair" is more at the middle and lower end of the scale... as the minimum cs is a greater percentage of income, some of the average joes face more of a burden to pay cs and also live than those at the higher end of the scale. | |
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Posted: 1/25/2008 8:29:50 AM | Well, OP, I'm an attorneuy in Illinois. This is not legal advice by any stretch, but in this state, the statutory minimum child supoprt payment for two children is 28% of the non-custodial parent's net monthly income.
If your frined lived in Illinois and makes $3,000.00 a year, 28% of his GROSS monthly income is $7,000.00. I don't know what his net income is, but $2,500.00 woud certainly NOT cover child support for two children in Illinios with that kind of income.
Your friend sounds like a rich cheapskate if he wants to cheat his UNBORN children of their rightful support. He probably shouldn't have children and moreover, any provision of an antenuptial agreement attempting to limit future child support is likely to be deemed void, as the amoutn can fluctuate based upon changes in income. He probably shouldn't even get married if he's that worried about supporting his kids even before they're born, yet he makes a ton of money. And lastly, the woman in this situation must be a gold digger.
On second thought, maybe they'll make a couple of lawyers rich someday....
As far as legal rights go, those children would be getting $84,000 a year in support. How is that "rightful" support to a child? It isn't like they'd That's enough to modestly support an entire family, nevermind two children.
Looking back at my childhood, I was fairly well-off (well fed, well clothed, lots of toys and other crap for entertainment, big home, good school, etc...) I really doubt my parents ever spent more than $750-1500 a month on me to support that sort of lifestyle, and that would fall between 5-10% of their combined income. | |
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