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Posted: 3/27/2009 7:10:07 PM | So, why should I have to go to court and get a court order. It seems your putting an extra step in there that is not there for other types of neglect. I know that if my ex's place was unsafe and I had evidence of it, the child protection agency would not need me to go to court to investigate.
All the more reason why you shouldn't feel the need to see the CP's statements. If your child(ren) were to be neglected, she will be charged, and then you'll have the kids and you will be able to collect child support.
Why the extra step?
So that the government (whom I somewhat trust) is the party doing the investigation, versus an angry ex. | |
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Posted: 3/27/2009 7:44:26 PM | This is one of those threads that make my skin crawl. I only read a little of it, and it wasn't good. This is truly the thread of the walking wounded, those with entitlement issues, those who feel manhandled by the courts or just angry at ex spouses.
Using the OP's situation $300,000 a year she could be entitled to 17% for 1 child or 25% for 2. That is a standard forumla used I know in NY, I think in CA. Now the problem here is simple the "tax man" is the issue most divorced guys have a problem with. Let's say you pay 30% to Uncle Sam that's $90,000. If you paid on the formula that's $75,000+90,000= $165,000. Then even though the courts are kind now, they will still give alimony if the kids are young, for 5 years. Let's say she gets $48,000, a reaasonable figure for this type of income. That's a grand total of $209,000.
Now for those of you who don't know it, jobs like that do NOT grow on trees. You need a skill set to get that kind of job. So this guy feels like I work for this and wind up with less than 1/3? Understandable yes, rational, maybe to some not to others.
Having been there, done that, got the Hermes tie and Gucci loafers to prove it.LOL I opted to pay more in child support then alimony, I worked with my lawyer to get her to give me an accounting, additionally i paid for school. My older daughter went to one of "those" high schools $25,000 a year (last year the tuition was $50,000).
You need to honestly look at this, if your a man in this bracket. Your kids had a certain life with you. What would you do now? Have them move to a slum and eat cat food? They're your flesh and blood for God's sake. It's only money, and if you have this kind of job, you can make more. None of you would believe what this cost me over the 12 years I paid. But I slept well, my kids were cared for, did the thing they needed to do. Embarked on life feeling good about who they were.
So I think this is more of an issue for people who earn middle class incomes than the example of the OP. JMO< Bob | |
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Posted: 3/27/2009 11:26:38 PM | You ignored my question as to WHICH finance minister you kicked off your porch... was it Jim Flaherty (Federal) or Dwight Duncan (Provincial)? So which one was it? Or was that just something you pulled out of your @ss?~zeke~
^^I am guessing you aren't smart enough to view my profile and figure out which riding I am in, so you could figure out which blue belly was dumb enough to knock on my door...What do I get if I tell you Jim Flarerty?..I may have exagerated by saying I kicked off my porch...I scared him off my porch with pointed questions about the working class he had no answers too..at which point I CHASED him off my porch..and down the street to every house he was campaigning at withing 3 blocks of my house....lol...oh the memories! I am quite sure he remembers me..
FYI my Mom's best friend was his receptionist for 20 years in his law office...until he laid her off..lol....he knows exactly who I am..
*****Hey starfun...from what I can tell you belong to a small group of women who I consider parasites...you find the weak points and manipulate the circumstances to benefit your personal the finacial gain and wellbeing ...Your intentions are quite transparent... BTW....I do support Daisy and her opinions regarding this topic...regardless of my personal responses to her posts to me...cause I don't change my opinions depending on which way the wind blows in these forums..******
Really I've not seen one of ya'll speak to the good of the child....bashing the ex...but nothing about the good of the child....and if you're actually in divorce or seperated...and you are this worked up with your ex in 3-D...I can only imagine that you behave the same way around your children....shame on you....none of your arguements are about your children...they are all about controling the ex...~ 2irish1 ~
^^^Thank you irish for saying that....because it is quite apparent that this opinion holds little weight if a woman was to make the same comment.
It is as easy as this....If your gonna talk the talk..you had better be prepared to walk the walk.... | |
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Posted: 3/27/2009 11:50:13 PM |
It truly isn't an evil conspiracy; it really does cost a lot more to support two homes.
Of course it does. NCP's (who pay their support) know that all too well because they actually do support two homes while their CP counterpart is left to support only a fraction of their own. | |
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Posted: 3/28/2009 1:33:40 AM | Let me give you an example, my ex and I used pay about $400 per month in daycare I would pay 250 she paid 150. When it came to tax time, because as provided in the income tax act, she was the lower income earner, she got to claim it. So, she claims a deduction of lets say $4,000 (10 months our daughter was in school), that means at her marginal tax rate she would get a refund of almost $1,600. If we divide that by the 10 months or $160 per month that would mean she would be actually making money off the daycare and I would remain at $250. The funny thing is, you think this is equitable and that I should not share in the deduction. ~soccersweep~
^^^^I call total BS on NCP's not being aloud to claim their percentage costs regarding childcare. The reason I know this is because at one time my ex and I recieved different reciepts from the daycare centre that reflected the portion each of us paid.
What you are talking about is that men (regardless of paying a larger share of childcare) don't get the same benefits or return upon claiming the expense due to having a higher income..and more often don't reap any benefit on their taxes for claiming childcare..as it should be...
Having had similiar discussins with you regarding these type of topics, I can only assume your pissed off that you let your ex claim the entire deduction for childcare because
1. it wouldn't make a difference in your return or benefits due to your income
2. You were under the impression that making this gesture warrented you recieving half of the return and tax breaks your ex got due to claiming the total cost of childcare...AND..that my friend is called FRAUD!
If you pay x amount in daycare...claim it...I am quite certain that the benefits for your ex will not be severley altered because you refuse to give her the whole childcare deduction....
...and oh yeah...this has got nothing to do with control....uhuh....pfffttt...puhlease!
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Posted: 3/28/2009 2:09:32 AM | SCENARIO A:
Is $2500/month enough for 2 kids NEEDS??
SCENARIO B:
The Dad makes about $25,000/month (GROSS). Is $2500/month enough for 2 kids NEEDS?? [/b}
Now I believe the percentage who will agree will change drastically ALTHOUGH the kids NEEDS hasnt change! ~starfun~
^^^How about this
Scenario A.....no matter which way you want to spin it....10% of what the kids were accustomed too still falls short...
for eg. Sorry son, you can't play competitive hockey..oh and you have to go to public school now...and your mother dosen't make enough to stay in the neighbourhood and we are selling the house..BTW...Santa is real...see ya next weekend!
Scenerio B
These debates are all relative...lifestyles are subjective to what a child has become accustomed too...and given the varying degrees of income made by men who are NCP's and the past history of the honour system of paying support voluntarily....I think the courts have made things fair across the board in regards to child support...
Personally, I still think it is more than enough even if the woman doesnt add a dime. ~starfun~
^^I suspect you would think a dime to be too much..especially since it could mean a nickel out of your entitlement that I suspect you have being a single woman dating a single parent... | |
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Posted: 3/28/2009 2:52:39 AM | Really I've not seen one of ya'll speak to the good of the child....bashing the ex...but nothing about the good of the child....and if you're actually in divorce or seperated...and you are this worked up with your ex in 3-D...I can only imagine that you behave the same way around your children....shame on you....none of your arguements are about your children...they are all about controling the ex...~ 2irish1 ~
Imagining things and knowing the facts are not the same. I have been paying 13 years and have at least 3 more to go. The first year their were times when I had to decide which days I could afford to eat. Nothing special and lots of men have been through this. We do this out of love for our kids so that we know they are provided for and we can spend a weekend together. I have no problem paying when I know it is going to the childs wellbeing and will continue to help even when she becomes an adult. Thats even better,I know the money is going directly to her. Holding someone accountable for money handed over has nothing to do with control and everything to do with your childs wellbeing. How can anyone not see this? Saying it's control mentality makes me wonder if they are not relating this to themselves. Personally,I have never once bashed my ex in front of my kid. Why? Because she is the mother and would never do anything that would add confusion. Shame on you 2irish1 for making these assumptions to all the working men that care about their kids but at least we know what you think of us. To your credit,your doing an excellent job of sucking up. Not my style but hey if its working run with it. | |
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Posted: 3/28/2009 2:57:48 AM | Listen:
To anyone who thinks that supporting a child needs to have strings attached to that support...well...is just crazy...
1) The person who's in physical custody of the child/ren has many more financial burdens placed on them...As well as, the time and physical burdens of raising the child/ren
2) If you think that you can control the custodial parents discression in spending of the support...well that's what the court system is for..knock yourself out.
3) There's a very good reason the child support enforcement system is in place...it mandates the amount of support to be paid...and it forces the deadbeat parent to make the payments...
BTW, for those guys out there that are ready to hurtle the stink bombs at me cause I don't know what I'm talkin' bout....I also have a 28yo daughter....that I paid support for from the time she was 4 till 18....And I went to support enforcement to have a voluntary wage garnishmnet done so that the ex and I had no quarels about money....
of course, I could just sit on my computer and piss and moan about all the money my ex frittered away over the years that was mine....but then it wasn't...it went to help pay the mortgage, food, lights, phone, clothes, sitters, braces, heat, transportation, activities, and a whole sh*tload more....
Hey boys...manup
BTW: If you think that at 28 paying child support for my 4 yo and the daughter my ex convinced me to adopt was easy...well you are wrong....but that started in 1984....I'm removed from all that hurt by 25 years
SoutherGuy...yea I checked your profile...you seem to be a hard working man...nice tractor trailer...long haul?
My thoughts are this: if it isn't hard on both of you..you and ex...financially at the start...then it was an in-equititable divorce...the art of negotiation...one side is estatic=bad deal for the other...both are happy/not=equitable negotiation
Over the years my financial situation improved while my ex is still in the first little tiny home I bought going nowhere slowly. too bad...so sad...for her
geesh I hate this thread
jmo,
Irish
please don't drag me back to this thread by flaming, baiting, name calling....it's just unacceptable | |
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Posted: 3/28/2009 3:29:20 AM | Listen:
To anyone who thinks that supporting a child needs to have strings attached to that support...well...is just crazy...
1) The person who's in physical custody of the child/ren has many more financial burdens placed on them...As well as, the time and physical burdens of raising the child/ren
2) If you think that you can control the custodial parents discression in spending of the support...well that's what the court system is for..knock yourself out.
Crazy?Knowing the CHILD SUPPORT is going to the childs well being is crazy? OK
1)She may have the responsibility but I wouldn't say its a burden. In my case she has lived most of the last 13 years on what I pay alone so doesn't apply here.Time,yes I would agree she has that.
2)I agree here and have done that. Their are many ways to accomplish this. Be creative. Done | |
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Posted: 3/28/2009 3:37:12 AM | SouthernGuy,
My ex did the same....little or no other means of support other than me...so at 12 my daughter decided to come live with me...and don't think "I" got a nickel of support....but, again...men's earning potential is greater even today...yea, I know diesel prices....still....the system is imperfect...that's why it the system | |
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Posted: 3/28/2009 5:44:15 AM |
SCENARIO A:
Is $2500/month enough for 2 kids NEEDS??
SCENARIO B:
The Dad makes about $25,000/month (GROSS). Is $2500/month enough for 2 kids NEEDS?? [/b}
Now I believe the percentage who will agree will change drastically ALTHOUGH the kids NEEDS hasnt change! ~starfun~
^^^How about this
Scenario A.....no matter which way you want to spin it....10% of what the kids were accustomed too still falls short...
for eg. Sorry son, you can't play competitive hockey..oh and you have to go to public school now...and your mother dosen't make enough to stay in the neighbourhood and we are selling the house..BTW...Santa is real...see ya next weekend!
Scenerio B
These debates are all relative...lifestyles are subjective to what a child has become accustomed too...and given the varying degrees of income made by men who are NCP's and the past history of the honour system of paying support voluntarily....I think the courts have made things fair across the board in regards to child support...
^^^^Lisbeth, that a bunch of Yapping with no substance.
I already have given a detailed account of how my TWO kids DON'T COST me more than $1000/month based purely on their NEEDS which are based on ACTUAL COSTS that I spend money on... and that's based on living in a detached house in Toronto where each child has their own bedroom.
But let's just round up to an even $1000 for the Needs (food, clothing, school supplies and the INCREMENTAL cost for that additional bedroom). That leaves $1500 to go BEYOND NEEDS.
So the question is... does competitive hockey cost $1500/month? No way... not even for 4 kids does it cost that much.
Now if you're gonna do competitive hockey AND competitive golf PLUS something else like Football, then I can see the money being tight.
And I just bought new equipment for my kids not too long ago...
As for 10% "never being enough"... What's stopping YOU from doing what you have to do to get that big income? And don't give me a crock about how "you have the kids". When I was in University, I was in school with some women who had kids. And one super-driven woman I personally knew was in university with me AND she was pregnant AND she had a part time job AND she already had a kid. She was the MOST driven person I've ever met... man or woman.
And as for the line about what kids are used to and the insinuation that "the lifestyle must be maintained or the world will end"... that's a crock too... just ask all the autoworkers who got laid off... many of them women... and ask them if their kids are gonna have the same lifestyle.
Vanguy's situation (along with other situations I know of and cited in previous posts) is proof that the courts often make things unfair and proves that a serious overhaul is needed along with much greater transparency and fairness. | |
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Posted: 3/28/2009 6:35:46 AM |
I call total BS on NCP's not being aloud to claim their percentage costs regarding childcare. The reason I know this is because at one time my ex and I recieved different reciepts from the daycare centre that reflected the portion each of us paid.
You're right... if both parties are getting a receipt. However, 2 years ago, my ex did the same thing as the other poster explained.We had to make 2 trips to court within a month because she refused to make necessary adjustments. If you're ordered to pay your ex instead of the childcare provider, the result is only one receipt. In those instances there are adjustments that are required under subsection 7(3) of the Federal Child Support Guidelines.
The judge the second go round wasn't too impressed with her inability to do math because she figured it out in less than a minute. The judge estimated about $20/month higher than I had suggested to my ex, which was still $100/month less than what she was demanding. And lo! At the end of the school year, my ex didn't even cash my last cheque because I had overpaid... an average of about $20/month. It was a complete exercise in futility wasting the court's time when all she had to do was listen to me in the first place.
So no... it's not BS. This kind of ignorance exists, though fortunately not with my ex anymore. This year was a much different story that didn't involve a single trip to court. But I know exactly what that poster is talking about. In cases where that additional $100 means the difference between the power bill being paid or not, you don't really have a choice when it comes to fighting for every last penny you're allowed to keep. | |
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Posted: 3/28/2009 6:49:52 AM | " call total BS on NCP's not being aloud to claim their percentage costs regarding childcare. The reason I know this is because at one time my ex and I recieved different reciepts from the daycare centre that reflected the portion each of us paid"
According to the income tax act the IT bulletins surrounding this issue it clearly states that childcare expenses can only be claimed by the lower income earner.
"1. it wouldn't make a difference in your return or benefits due to your income"
Childcare expenses come off to get to net income which is where you get the highest return (like ones RRSP deductions) unlike the tax credit sections. So I will try to speak slowly for you, the higher the amount deducted in this section the more the refund is and the higher the person's income the more the refund is. Not a difficult concept is it.
"2. You were under the impression that making this gesture warrented you recieving half of the return and tax breaks your ex got due to claiming the total cost of childcare...AND..that my friend is called FRAUD!"
The only thing that I was entitle to was the refund portion accrued as a result of the childcare deductions. The other deductions, such as dependent, equivalent to spouse, etc.... are all hers since again READ THE TAX FORMS. For equivalent to spouse it clearly states that if you paid child support you cannot claim this deduction. That would be fraud.
"If you pay x amount in daycare...claim it..."
Not according to the IT bulletins that I have read.
"...I am quite certain that the benefits for your ex will not be severley altered because you refuse to give her the whole childcare deduction...."
The difference is would be about $800 to her. But what we agreed to was the we would split the amount down the middle even though I paid more because she had our daughter more. It seemed fair to me.
"and oh yeah...this has got nothing to do with control....uhuh....pfffttt...puhlease"
What is fraud is what the poster above suggested, that if one is not paying the complete amount you cannot claim the whole amount. That is fraud.
As for control, sharing a tax deduction is control, my what warped mind you have. Thanks for the good laugh. | |
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Posted: 3/28/2009 6:58:25 AM | "Sorry son, you can't play competitive hockey"
god, when are you going to stop putting out false and incomplete statements. The 10% represents what is alloted for the basic needs of the child ie: housing, food, clothes etc.... Hockey and private schools under the child support guidelines are considered extrordinary expenses, ie: they are to be paid on top of the basic child support amount. Any lawyer who negociates a settlement would know this, in fact any idiot knows this.
If the child was in private school before they split then this amount is paid in addition to the child support, it is not part of the basic amount and would be part of your divorce agreement. | |
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Posted: 3/28/2009 7:43:58 AM |
It truly isn't an evil conspiracy; it really does cost a lot more to support two homes.
Of course it does. NCP's (who pay their support) know that all too well because they actually do support two homes while their CP counterpart is left to support only a fraction of their own.
I am a custodial parent. My ex supports his own household. He also contributes to my household, you know, the one where OUR CHILDREN live. I am left to pay for a ONLY A FRACTION of the costs of maintaining my own household. The FRACTION happens to be about EIGHT out of TEN, or eighty percent. Is that FRACTION acceptable to you? Gee, I hope that's not too greedy, especially when you consider that I am only one of four people in my household (me and OUR three sons), and when you consider that the ex makes a hell of a lot more more than I do, and sees them maybe once a week. What a gold digger I am.....I am a getting SUCH a free ride!
You shouldn't feel the need to point out to me that mothers are supposed to support their kids; I already mentioned that in a previous post. I have no problem with my finances, or my support payments. I have a big problem with people ranting about how NCP's are getting screwed over because that is their own personal experience. Not all (probably not many) CP's are just looking for some kind of a free ride. | |
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Posted: 3/28/2009 7:52:27 AM |
I already have given a detailed account of how my TWO kids DON'T COST me more than $1000/month based purely on their NEEDS which are based on ACTUAL COSTS that I spend money on... and that's based on living in a detached house in Toronto where each child has their own bedroom.
But let's just round up to an even $1000 for the Needs (food, clothing, school supplies and the INCREMENTAL cost for that additional bedroom
Yes, Lisbeth, he did "yap" on quite a bit about this. I gave my own (much more realistic) account of how it really costs me more than twice as much a month to support myself and my children than it would to support just little old me. See post 606 if you are interested.
Remember, though, you have to let the kids enjoy the WHOLE house, not just that "extra bedroom." | |
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Posted: 3/28/2009 7:52:38 AM |
I already have given a detailed account of how my TWO kids DON'T COST me more than $1000/month based purely on their NEEDS which are based on ACTUAL COSTS that I spend money on... and that's based on living in a detached house in Toronto where each child has their own bedroom.
But let's just round up to an even $1000 for the Needs (food, clothing, school supplies and the INCREMENTAL cost for that additional bedroom
Yes, Lisbeth, he did "yap" on quite a bit about this. I gave my own (much more realistic) account of how it really costs me more than twice as much a month to support myself and my children than it would to support just little old me. See post 606 if you are interested.
Remember, though, you have to let the kids enjoy the WHOLE house, not just that "extra bedroom." | |
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Posted: 3/28/2009 8:47:20 AM | I had a look at the tables for where I live in Canada and the amount for 3 children at an income of lets $75K ( you said he makes quite a bit more than you and makes a good living would $1,460 per month. So, this represents only 20% of your costs? Because if I add it up, you would receive $1,460 in child support, maybe another $200 for CTB and then get to claim them as dependents, lets say another $150 per month. In total that;s $1,810 per month to support the kids, which is not including your contribution.
If we go by the act which says that the custodial parent will contribute the equivalent amount the total would then be $1,810 plus $1,460 (your contribution) or $3,270 to support your 3 boys.
If he is contributing according to the tables at $1,460 I think in my opinion that would be fair amount, but you have said that this only covers 20% of your total cost. But he is only suppose to cover 50% of the cost of the 3 boys not 50% of your total cost.
Of course could be way out lunch on the child support amount as high salary to me can be something total different to others. Also, if he is not contributing towards the cost of university then that would need to be on top of what he already pays.
Finally, if you soon in university can't use all of his deductions for school you can use them against your income. This helps to offset when the child earns income and you can't claim as much towards equivalent to spouse. | |
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Posted: 3/28/2009 9:44:59 AM | Hi Soccersweep:
Okay...fine....maybe it's like those commercials: I'm richer than I think...lol. I'm not comfortable posting hard numbers about my income on this site (remember I didn't even want my ex looking at my banking info, so not about to share it with all the fishies) but I guess instead of saying the ex makes a "good" living, I'll go with "very good" living instead.I don't work for minimum wage, either, btw. I have two good jobs. One thing I did not previously mention is that he only pays support for the younger two. The oldest is over 18, and the language of our agreement was that instead of him paying support, he pays part (just part) of the education costs. If I remember correctly, we did it that way so that he would not be paying me child support for a child who was still in school, but lived away from home. Well, university time came and the child in question chose not to leave home, so I absorb his living expenses, and that boy can EAT!
When it comes to my major expenses (house, car, etc) I like to keep them well below what I can actually afford. I do this so that my children can have a great eduction. I know people will jump all over this and say that post-secondary education is not a necessity, but it is a priority in my opinion. I know, too, that some people will suggest that kids over 18 get out there and support themselves, but I've been there and done that, and if I can do better for my kids, then I will.
Anyway, my point is that I am not getting a free ride. I work hard to pay the lion's share towards the support and education of the children that I brought into this world, and I have absolutely no problem in doing so. In no way am I even close to living off the spoils of my dead marriage, and I resent the implication of any such thing. I stand by my belief that most CP's are NOT getting rich off child support, and that the number of people who abuse the system is relatively low. | |
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Posted: 3/28/2009 9:49:48 AM | KristinZ,
Yes, Lisbeth, he did "yap" on quite a bit about this. I gave my own (much more realistic) account of how it really costs me more than twice as much a month to support myself and my children than it would to support just little old me. See post 606 if you are interested.
Remember, though, you have to let the kids enjoy the WHOLE house, not just that "extra bedroom.
Yes... and I responded saying more or less that you'd have "the rest of the house" kids or no kids.
The "rest of the house" cost is an "Adult" expense, not a "child" expense.
Or are you trying to tell me that if you lived on your own, you WOULDN'T have a kitchen, living room or dining room and heat/ac in all of them? Well when *I* lived on my own, I had all that and a computer room... and when the kids came on the Scene, I had to GIVE UP MY COMPUTER ROOM! According to your logic, I should be compensated for that "loss".
The truth is that WHERE the kids go in a house is IRRELEVANT to calculating the INCREMENTAL cost for that additional room. Or are you trying to convince everyone that someone walking from one room in a house to another room somehow magically raises one's costs somehow in a material way?
Whatever you've been smoking, I want some...
I'm gonna tell you again... I do ALL THE FINANCES... I live with my kids... my Ex PAYS ME SUPPORT right now. And I bought the house we're all in not that long ago.
So I can safely say that I have an EXCEPTIONALLY good handle on what all the costs are... and what is tied to the kids and what isn't.
Those Child Support guidelines are GENEROUS... UNLESS you need to pay for 8 hours of child care every day... but that's handled separately anyway... which means that the guidelines are generous to anyone who knows how to manage their money and doesn't waste it on eating out or buying takeout all the time.
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Posted: 3/28/2009 9:58:20 AM |
^^I am guessing you aren't smart enough to view my profile and figure out which riding I am in, so you could figure out which blue belly was dumb enough to knock on my door...
Lizbeth... and I'm *observing* that you have trouble answering simple questions in a straightforward way.
And no... I don't have the riding locations memorized for each and every minister... I simply knew the names because I watch the news...
And anyway... If you don't like what someone is doing, wouldn't it be more productive to tell them in detail why you disagree rather than taking a knee-jerk reaction and kicking them off your porch? | |
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Posted: 3/28/2009 10:08:38 AM | Whatever you've been smoking, I want some..
You know, Zeke, I have come to expect the condescending attitude in everything that you say; after all your OPINION guides you in all things, and you DO seem to know everything. You've crossed the line, though, with that remark. It is offensive. | |
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Posted: 3/28/2009 10:35:41 AM | Yes... and I responded saying more or less that you'd have "the rest of the house" kids or no kids.
Nope, I wouldn't. I would have the single bedroom apartment like my single friend, at about half the cost, which is what I said in my post.
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| Prenuptial Agreements and Maximum Child Support payment!
Posted: 3/28/2009 10:44:33 AM | "Anyway, my point is that I am not getting a free ride. I work hard to pay the lion's share towards the support and education of the children that I brought into this world, and I have absolutely no problem in doing so. In no way am I even close to living off the spoils of my dead marriage, and I resent the implication of any such thing. I stand by my belief that most CP's are NOT getting rich off child support, and that the number of people who abuse the system is relatively low."
wow a point we can agree upon. CP are not getting rich, its just when one says that the ncp does not even cover half of the expenses that I speak up. I can only speak for my own situation, my ex is not getting rich, but when I run the numbers I am paying about 60% of the costs, which is fine. She is well taken care of and lives about 50% with me now. No point in adjusting the child support now since our daughter will be graduating in a year and then coming to live with me while she attends university. Why ruin a great relationship over a couple hundred a month.
As for how much your oldest can eat, my daughter had two friends over last night , I ordered two large pizzas and cheezy bread thinking that would be enough. Silly me, Not even close and at about 10 pm my daughter came to me and asked if we had anything else because they were hungry. | |
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