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 Aknightrmor

Joined: 5/19/2007
Msg: 101
Is Matter a form of Energy?
Posted: 1/19/2008 3:07:27 PM
To me, spirituality is a lame excuse for masochism.
 BlueCrimson77

Joined: 10/16/2007
Msg: 102
Is Matter a form of Energy?
Posted: 1/20/2008 10:24:57 PM
stonestonque wrote
but matter and energy makes me think of duality and that's what divides all things... And it is an illusion.

I reply:
Yes, divisions are illusions. We are all connected. Western culture has divided the mind and the body for instance. They are not truly separate but interconnected and interrelating.
 Greg8001

Joined: 9/15/2007
Msg: 103
Is Matter a form of Energy?
Posted: 1/22/2008 5:09:07 AM
I think Einstein's equation already states that matter is energy. I also think the laws relating to the conservation of energy have been verified down to the level of subatomic particles like protons, electrons, neutrons, etc, but I am not a physicist, so one would need to discuss what the evidence is for that.
 The Dark Highwayman

Joined: 8/3/2007
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Posted: 1/22/2008 3:48:10 PM
All matter is energy yes, as 99% of an atom is just empty space, so what holds it together? energy. gravity.

First Law - Energy is conserved yup.

But the second law states that you can never have a thermodynamic process whereby a system is 100% efficient. So if we tried to put all the sub atomic particles in our sub-atomic cookie jars - we would loose some as heat and energy.

Now, as stated on another post the reason why the H bomb and dyamite and Semtex etc are all very explosive is that to break bonds release energy and to make bonds require a hell of a lot of energy to be put in.

Think of it as it would take you a day or two to destroy a house but it takes a team of builders at least 2 weeks to construct one.
 thefrener

Joined: 5/5/2007
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Posted: 1/24/2008 7:07:07 AM
does it really matter
 Stonestongue

Joined: 5/18/2006
Msg: 106
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Posted: 1/25/2008 9:28:25 PM

does it really matter


I guess it depends on whether you find it fun to speculate on such things... Does having fun while we're here matter? You bet it does!
 LBP

Joined: 7/4/2007
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Posted: 1/25/2008 11:33:59 PM
Yes matter is a form a energy because without energy there could be no matter.

I look at matter as just a more tactile form of energy. The energy never goes away, it just changes form. Regardless of your beliefs, you can't argue that you are made up of energy and I personally find it reassuring to know that the energy that makes up who I am will never go away so in some ways, I'm immortal!!
 yogalady

Joined: 12/28/2006
Msg: 108
Is Matter a form of Energy?
Posted: 2/9/2008 12:50:40 PM
You got it!
Energy ,light vibrations and high intense refined frequencies and pure consciousness
working through matter in this physical reality
 yogalady

Joined: 12/28/2006
Msg: 109
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Posted: 2/9/2008 12:52:31 PM
connected through our consciousness to that state of pure existance of energy vibrations and frequncies that permiate the universe...if you practice deep forms of meditation we will be able to exprenience this state and see for you yourself the reality of the illusionary world in which we live...
 Trendy87

Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 110
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Posted: 2/12/2008 6:09:05 PM
"All matter is energy yes, as 99% of an atom is just empty space, so what holds it together? energy. gravity."

Gravity is the weakest, at this point. The other 3 fundamental forces are what holds things together at an atomic scale.
 Inicia

Joined: 12/21/2007
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Posted: 2/13/2008 12:46:59 AM
yeah exactly...down to the bare essentials...that is it. matter is movement. nothing is stable. as far as the mind and thought: quantum physics believes those have matter so they are trying to measure them. Along that venue the belief is that the matter of our thoughts affect the production of our chemicals therefore affecting our life outcomes.
As far as objectivity::: good luck finding someone who can be objective. Weber will tell you all about the objectivity of science.. It is actually called perspective.
 Aknightrmor

Joined: 5/19/2007
Msg: 112
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Posted: 3/10/2008 11:32:33 PM
Huh... I know I'm verrrrry smart because everyone but my closest childhood friends will say so and most of my distant friends would say I'm a "super genius" or very smart and my family tells me I'm very smart, but I do dumb things. I take risks. Bad, impulsive risks... Well my great grandpa lived to be 90something and my other grandpa before he was involved in a near fatal accident was very healthy so I think I'll live to be old and I'm not worried about failing to be productive, although it wouldn't hurt to be like my 22 y/o friend who is completing his master's degree in chemistry/med this semester. I have little/no post-HS education. I'm hoping that waiting to educate myself will be an advantage for me due to the recent developments in technology, however, I realize that most of my important learning will occur at the graduate level, so I should acquaint myself with the basics. I decided that when I do go back to school, that I won't be lollygagging like I did in HS. I'm going to go above and beyond in every course. Even though I'd qualify to a calculus mathematical level, I'd rather start at an accelerated algebra course to get my mind back up to speed. Personality wise, I'm usually quiet. I want to say things and direct people to do what I think they should, but I'm often shy and even when I do speak out, I'm often misunderstood and/or incoherent.

So I'm smart, but stupid and its all due to the physics and chemistry in my brain...
 stargazer1000

Joined: 1/16/2008
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Posted: 3/11/2008 8:17:28 PM
Well, it's been pointed out a few times already but I don't know if anyone's actually told you that it's described as equivalence. In fact, the perception of solidity in matter is actually illusory since all matter is made up mostly of empty space. It is electromagnetic charge in your hand interacting and repelling the electromagnetic charge of the table that prevents both from passing through the other.

Indeed, if you follow M-theory, matter and energy including gravity are simply vibrating strings of energy. How those strings interact with 11-dimension spacetime determines their actual "flavour."

To apply spiritual significance to this, however, can be likened to theologians debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. That's not to say "God" and "spirit" don't exist. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. In fact, no logical argument can be made for something's non-existence. We simply lack sufficient understanding to prove or even provide a sufficiently provable theory for the existence of either.
 Steven02151

Joined: 2/17/2008
Msg: 114
Is Matter a form of Energy?
Posted: 3/12/2008 9:07:33 PM
Matter and energy are part of the physical universe. Maybe neither has anything to do with "God".

The psychic realm transcends matter and energy. A woman feels a great pain in her side and learns later that her son was shot in a war far away at that exact moment, transcending time, matter, and energy.

The spiritual realm is probably far from our imagination.
 The Sage

Joined: 4/28/2007
Msg: 115
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Posted: 3/13/2008 12:12:28 AM
OP:

I didn't read all the posts to this, but the question has been asked many times in a variety of ways. I'll give you the short version first, then expand on it.

First Einstein's equation answers your question. However, there is more to your question than translating energy into mass or mass into energy.

Most scientists will agree, I feel, that everything breaks down to energy. And we can only understand it in terms of what it makes objects do (the objects being 99.99% space, or more precisely "nothingness"). The final question, of course, is how can we define energy without referencing force to move something somewhere?

In simplest definition, energy is either kinetic (moving ) or potential (stored).

If it is potential, it isn't doing anything. What if all objects of the universe reverted to energy. Since energy no longer had to move anything, it would then be considered what? Certainly not kinetic energy since it isn't doing anything because there's nothing to do anything with. Nor can it be potential energy because there would be no mechanism for storing it, like a coiled spring, or pile driver at the top of a path.

What is left? Nothing! Is nothing, or precisely according to some mystic religions, "no-thing"or eternal "nothingness" the essence of the universe?
 strategiki

Joined: 3/5/2008
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Posted: 3/13/2008 6:04:45 AM
New string/m-theory explains that the big bang started largely as the result of 1 or more parallel universes.

As a philosopher, I have my own idea, which is thus:

Nothing is actually something. We/I can say it is something because 1. I can conceptualize it. Because I can conceptualize it, I can understand it, and because I can understand it, then it is a logical supposition to say that there is 'something' in 'nothing'.

There is no such thing as "absolute nothing", at least not so far as we can comprehend. Anything that is truly a lack of anything, it beyond comprehension. It's like asking, "what is beyond the end of the universe"?

The above arguments indicate that existence, or what I term to be existence -everything-, is more pervasive than most anyone, including science, is able to recognize.

I hope I wasn't too confusing or led to any perceptual assumptions whatsoever.

-Derek


P.S. I'm pretty sure I am masochistic. Funny that, many great men throughout history apparently were too
 stargazer1000

Joined: 1/16/2008
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Posted: 3/13/2008 6:33:31 PM
"In simplest definition, energy is either kinetic (moving ) or potential (stored). "

And that's the problem with simple definitions. They don't contain the full array of possibilities. Because, for several hundred thousand years after the Big Bang, there was something. Specifically, a sea of high-energy photons including the heat of the Big Bang and the effects of matter/anti-matter interactions in the first few seconds following the Big Bang.

As for the nature of the universe, it's true nature is hardly "nothing." At the smallest level, there is the quantum "foam" that may, at this very second, be spawning all manner of weird particles, wormholes and baby universes.

Ponder that for a while!
 Greg8002

Joined: 3/11/2008
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Posted: 3/14/2008 4:29:38 AM
In my understanding, the law of energy conservation still applies to subatomic particles. The law expressed in Einstein's famous equation also holds as well. Even elementary particles don't break the established laws of physics, in fact a lot of their behaviour and phenomena which arise due to particle behaviours are only explicable using ideas such as those based on the laws of thermodynamics. However a lot of classical theory doesn't work at the level of subatomic particles, and instead quantum mechanics applies, but even QM transfers a lot of well established ideas from classical mechanics down to the level of particles and can work quite well in some situations.
 MrScott

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Posted: 3/18/2008 12:03:43 PM
I think you have alot of your ideas mixed up, no one randomly threw matter and we appeared, it was the sum of an unthinkable number of slight alterations over many many years. You could say the cause is survival of the fitist and the effect is useful mutations live on. Creationism isn't a science, no one has managed to produce any scientific evidence behind it. As for the speed of light god is supposedly almighty and incomprehendable so in theory he'd be everywhere at once, why if he is all powerful did it take him 6 days to build the earth?
 Tantrik_OG

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Posted: 3/19/2008 5:48:39 AM
This is the very question I asked my jungian psychoanalyst just yesterday. What a coincidence! She said it was up to me to decide. I think it is all FORM. No SUBSTANCE.
 LostSoul24

Joined: 3/26/2008
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Posted: 3/31/2008 6:44:50 PM

The problem with you people is that you see the word God and your brain triggers religion and dogmatic fire.


I Dont. i dont believe in religion, but i do believe in god, or ackknowleges he exists.

I dont think religion and god are the same thing.

Religion is pplz beliefs what they believe, their faith. God is bigger then that. Hes a symbol of the human heart.

I im not a religious person, im against religion, but i do believe in ''god''
 Aknightrmor

Joined: 5/19/2007
Msg: 122
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Posted: 4/5/2008 12:15:14 AM
You say something like matter is 99.99% empty space, but how do we not know that an atom is not 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% empty space?
 Bright1Raziel

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Posted: 4/5/2008 6:35:48 AM
What happens if you break a bunch of matter down to the atomic level and then break it down further and you just bottle up all these broken atoms?


You would get a soup of quantum particles. This is also known as energy.


Is the law of conservation of matter preserved? I imagine the answer is no and that some of the matter is "turned into" energy.


The answer is yes. There is no law of conservation of matter, it is the law of conservation of energy. Energy can niether be created nor destroyed, just changed. By dismantling an atom you are simply changing the energy in that atom into a difrent form. So it is not turned into energy, it was energy to begin with.


So in essence, is matter a form of energy and is it possible to do the opposite by "constructing" matter from energy?


Yes. This is called Fusion. It is something our sun dose quite a bit of. It takes hydrogen atoms and lots of energy and smashes them together to make helium atoms. Every atom in the universe was made by coliding atoms together with lots of energy to make biger atoms containing more energy.


Does anyone care to disagree that creationism is not science?


Yes I do. Creationism has been proven tobe lies, missinformation and falicious arguments. Check out Dover PA for more information.
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