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Because she’s a woman, the impression of personalizing or making her a first name so saturated, is a great political ploy.

Ok...the only thing the Republican got against Hillary is the fact that she was DUPED like all Americans into believing there was going to be a short but sweet war in ridding of the materials of mass destruction. Needless to say...WE WERE ALL DUPED into this charade of LET'S PLAY WAR..what are they doing...MAKING MONEY especially for the war? OR using our social security moneys? and THAT is why they say we will not have any money for retirement....when we decide to retire?

I want someone who refuses to PLAY WAR anymore..who will put funds into our childrens educational system

There is an internal social disfunction and we need someone to deal with the back yard security system FIRST.

Dump the ideas saving the world for now...

Socialist countries, such as Canada seem to approach issues from a unique perspective, that being of a collective consciousness. Truly a noble perception, however, one need only consider the historical record of other such national “people” approaches that suppress individual perspectives, such as the former Soviet Union etc., to discover that the collective mindset eventually leads to the cessation of freedoms and ultimately utter chaos.

"the collective mindset eventually leads to the cessation of freedoms and ultimately utter chaos.

Hey Tim, couple things came directly to mind when reading this particular paragraph.

"They hate us, cause they hate freedom" ,
"If you're not with us, you're with the terrorists",
"Voting for John Kerry is a vote for terrorists",
"Liberals love the terrorist and hate America",
"America, Love it or leave it",
"Republican party is the party of GOD!",
"Islam=Terrorist"
"Warrentless Wire Taps are for your safety",
"I'm a patriot because I support my president",
"President Bush is making us safe"
"Gay Marriage will ruin the sanctity of Straight Marriage",
"Evil Doers want to stop our way of life",
"Iraq has WMD and Saddam conspired with Bin Laden to plan 9/11",

Above are quotes made by politicians and those who support them here on these threads.

Now If this country can get passes silly political labels, and see the big picture, I think Barack Obama will be the next President of America, and While he will have to work twice as hard as any previous president to stitch the gapeing wounds this country has been suffered with, racially, economically, security wise, and diplomatically..... I think he has the best chance of pulling it off out of any candidate on either side.

It will be interesting to see if he wins the nomination if Hillary will find a position somewhere in his administration.

1.) The Islamic terrorists do hate us, actually they hate all westerners. Aside from the comment being a little vague, it certainly isn't an untruth.

2.) Any reasonable person recognizes there is a 3rd option. Anti-terror, pro-terror and complacent... I recognize some feel that more diplomacy should have been used, but Congress did not see it that way, that would be a bi-partisan Congress by the way...

3.) A vote for Kerry was a vote for cut & run... He did campaign with the platform of an immediate withdrawal, and leaving before the terrorists are in check is nothing short of enabling them... I think the surge proved it required MORE, not less to stabilize the area

4.) I agree with the love it or leave it slogan, always have, always will... Common sense dictates if you're unhappy being someplace, you need only place one foot in front of the other until you reach happy land...

5.) The party of God? Never heard that one, kind of indefensible so I won't even bother trying.

6.) Islam EXTREMIST = Terrorist, or at least terrorist sympathizer... WE didn't start this fight, we just took it off our continent to their backyard...

7.) Warrant less wiretaps is a fallacy, the Patriot Act merely provides for the installation of electronic surveillance during the warrant approval process, it’s really sad that the liberals who voted for it are touting it as a neo-con movement to eliminate our rights. (And they say Republicans use scare tactics.)

8.) You can't seriously consider this offensive given the liberal position that republicans are undermining the constitution, when the majority of Congressional Democrats voted in favor of extending the Patriot Act. I completely agree that it's silly to proclaim one party more patriotic than the other, but I will say that this push towards political correctness is undermining the very fabric of our nation.

9.) We are safer now than we were before 9/11... There may be more threats, but clearly the lack of attacks on us since we took the fight to them is indisputable proof that it was the correct approach to eliminating attacks on US soil.

10.) Gay marriage is a States issue, and I personally think everyone deserves the opportunity to be screwed by the divorce courts!

11.) Assuming "evil doers" equates to Islamic terrorists, I don't see where it's an incorrect statement. Salman Rushdie wrote a book called Satanic Verses and a fatwa was declared by the Muslim cleric Ayatollah Khomeini, the supreme leader of Iran. Call me crazy, but a death warrant issued because of dissent in a book is just a tad extreme and perhaps just a tad on the “evil” side...

12.) Bill Clinton even said Saddam had WMD's in the 90's, can we let that go since we know for a fact that under the Clinton Administration Saddam used some of them to kill his own people? Did he really have to launch one into your neighborhood before you can accept the fact that EVERYONE in a position to know, even Saddam himself, claimed WMD's existed in the Iraqi arsenal? As for Saddam's involvement in the bombing of the WTC, I don't think they found a check with his signature, but we did and do have all sorts of evidence that he encouraged attacks against the US, offering monetary rewards and training facilities for Al Qaeda.

Yeah it has been a while hasn’t it, lol Okay Tim, Nice Looooooong Reply Post, I would expect nothing less from you . (Blacksheep puts hands together, interlocks fingers, turns both around and cracks all joints...... ready to deliver now)

1 a. They want us to stop medaling in their affairs, not that I think they are going about it the right way, nor do I believe in their oppressive ideology in regards to women or understanding/tolerating other religious beliefs.
But the reality of this is we interfered with them first decades ago and continue to this day.

2a. Yes, understood... but there were other ways of fixing the problem than insistence on war in Iraq, especially when the target should have been Bin Laden in Afghanistan.

3a. "More" was the advice of top military brass PRIOR to invading Iraq, but others in the administration decided they would be greeted as liberators with roses laid at their feet (possibly watching too much History Channel) and showed these generals the door (otherwise called voluntary retirement).

4a. Or you can do like the French did years ago and cut the heads of the elitist who destroyed your "happy land", then rebuild it back to what it was or better afterwards. I for one like the French method better since I hate moving.

6a. Christian EXTREMIST = Terrorist too! WE did start this fight and we did so before either you or I swam upstream. The President was IKE, the country was Iran.
Prior to that, another "western country" England, carved up lands under Muslim control in their colonial efforts to create Israel.
America has from then till current supported Israel while they commit human rights violations un-abetted against all their neighbors.

7a. The FISA act, and other similar instruments of the American Gestapo, are nothing more than attempts to control the American Vox Populi, reality is they have very little ability to control terrorism since its like looking for a needle in a stack of needles. and if lucky enough to find said "needle" then you have to have enough translators to translate, then enough people with inside knowledge of terror organizations to decode the coded messages. We don’t have these capabilities.
Republicans could have done anything they wanted up until 2006 since they had majority in every branch of Government.

8a. "those who will trade freedom for security deserve neither" Nuff said.

9a. Not a good argument, Just cause you don’t jump out the window, doesn’t mean gravity isn’t still working. We have quadrupled the hate against ourselves with our recent actions, even in Non-Muslim countries! Proof of this is in other countries where leaders were seen by their populations as being too close to Bush (Australia for example) and those leaders were thrown out on their asses come next elections).
We have created a power vacuum and history proves that nothing good ever fills a power vacuum.

10a. I always thought of this as a distraction from REAL issues which this administration has failed at miserably! And the bible thumpers went for it cause they didn’t want Gay people to show the hypocrisy of "church goers" by having a lower rate of divorce than STR8 people, lol

11a. Equally evil is launching 100 cruise missiles against Civilians in a Major city of Baghdad, Iraq killing 30,000 plus men women and children (a country which had nothing to do with 911) in retaliation for 4 planes being flown into our buildings killing 3000 plus civilians,...... All the while largely letting the real criminal Bin Laden escape could also be seen as pretty evil too.

12a. Bin Laden has been trying for years to kill Saddam and get control of Iraq, but couldn’t get the job done. Saddam was a **stard, but he ruled with an Iron fist. He wouldn’t take to kindly to anyone trying to upset his absolute control of Iraq.
Bin Laden is a radical nut job who believed Saddam should be beheaded for being a secularist Muslim, and not following the Radical brand that Bin Laden follows.
So in actuality, we helped Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda get into a country they had no way of getting into before. That’s not slowing terror down, its increasing its capabilities.

Now back on track with the thread, Barack Obama Will be the next POTUS, and Hillary has one last shot at avoiding illumination in TX, PA, and OH.
I supported her in the past and still think she makes a formidable opponent and would make a great POTUS, However Barack will make a better one since the best thing a Prez. can do is motivate the people, and he does this very well.

Hillary should play the Cheney roll (experience in the background) .
If Barack would even offer her the opportunity that is.

Senator Clinton, if she is nominated, will cause a number of Democrats to avoid voting at all (particularly the young and a number of minorities) and her nomination will be used as a battle cry by Republicans to continue their reign in the White House.

Barack Obama is the better candidate for the position for no other reason than the fact that while Obama voters may not vote for Clinton, Clinton voters will almost certainly vote for Obama.

It's sad that Senator Clinton's ambition to be President in what will likely be her only run has blinded her to the obvious.
And that is that.she can't win.

Wrong. Clinton voters will not vote for Obama. Clinton voters will be just as irritated that Clinton did not win over Obama and they will definitely move over to McCain and visa versa. Because of the bloody battle for top dog between Clinton and Obama, the losing side is obviously going to go McCain; thus I see McCain as our next president which suits me fine, because I still feel I would rather have McCain than Obama any day of the week.

Either you're committed to fixing the party, or get out, but stop trying to stop our change and growth from the inside. The times are new, and the party, your party, was dead. It's been revitalized (not by Hillary) and we've got some work to do. Help us or don't, but don't sabotage us, either.

She showed a strength during a whole lot of living and community involvement.

I take exception to anyone generalizing that Obama supports would not vote Clinton if he lost but that Clinton supports would vote Obama. That based on polls? Well, we know what the polls said in New Hampshire - remember?

For the Obama supporters reading this and hoping to 'kick butt' may I ask if he was in the military? I have yet to see that mentioned. Certainly I think it is important even without a draft to have served the country in some way.