| Call for paternity tests at birth
Posted: 1/4/2008 9:01:10 PM | See, now you're throwing insults. Are you capable of having a discussion without becoming emotional?
If you are against the "mandatory" part then fine. How about if it becomes standard hospital procedure. It would effectively be mandatory in the same way pku testing is done. You can refuse it if you want but most hospitals are going to do and no one thinks twice about it. The paternity test could be done at the same time actually.
No one stated the species is going to end if we don't have paternity testing. That is hyperbole on your part. Paternity testing is, however, a useful tool for both men and women. The only people who would not benefit from it are women who have cheated and men who are fathering offspring with no regard to their ability to raise the child. The people who would benefit? The children and perhaps the men who don't know they have a child and would want to be a part of that child's life.
Also, as the article stated, this isn't a question of "special cases" if 1 in 4 children are living with fathers that are not their own. It seems to be a very significant portion of children. | |
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Karen5
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Joined: 4/11/2007
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| Call for paternity tests at birth
Posted: 1/4/2008 9:18:12 PM |
The people who would benefit? The children and perhaps the men who don't know they have a child and would want to be a part of that child's life.
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| Call for paternity tests at birth
Posted: 1/4/2008 9:20:40 PM | That lines up 25% of the children to become worse off than they are now. That's not a benefit for the children.
"That's absurd" to want to do that. ( Oh, sorry for writing "that's absurd"...wouldn't want you to think that I'm hurling insults or anything.)
As for 'standard hospital procedure'....... We have more than one hospital we're dealing with here. It would take legislation to get that to be "standard hospital procedures".....and thinking about that, it wouldn't pass as for being yet another unfunded mandate up upon the system .
Edit: Sock, hmmm. thanks. I'm gonna let it stand though..... Will be careful as we go. The gist here is that it's as fundamental as which party you might be from. Some like big governments into everything, others want individuals to take charge of their rights.....you know the arguements. thanks again buddy! | |
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| Call for paternity tests at birth
Posted: 1/4/2008 9:34:30 PM | I've noticed that some posters here are bypassing the need to determine their potential paternity as they are inadvertently practicing birth control with their attitudes. On a dating website, no less.
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| Call for paternity tests at birth
Posted: 1/4/2008 9:48:19 PM |
"That's absurd" to want to do that. ( Oh, sorry for writing "that's absurd"...wouldn't want you to think that I'm hurling insults or anything.)
Yes, I do think that it is absurd to state that a father would no longer unconditionally love his child because he had a paternity test. The idea is absurd to me. I did not say you are absurd. That is the difference between hurling insults and having an opinion.
That lines up 25% of the children to become worse off than they are now. That's not a benefit for the children.
Worse off how? Show how they will be worse off. If the kid is shown to not be his, then someone else is the child's father. That man will surely be taken to court and asked to pony up. Unless of course you are suggesting a familial relationship based on lies an deceit is a good thing?
You are capable of refusing hospital procedures. Them being available to you doesn't mean you have to have them done, which is why I suggested the change from mandatory to standard procedures so that people such as yourself who wish to opt out can if need be. | |
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| Call for paternity tests at birth
Posted: 1/4/2008 10:06:22 PM | A 'standard procedure' is different than an 'offered procedure'. I have no problem with 'offered'.
I never suggested relationships based on lies and deceit. That would be conjecture on your part.
Worse off: Once you have introduced effectively "2 dad's" or other split relations in the parenting, you've created possibly/probably contentious settings. And while I don't have data to back this up, I'd also speculate that in the majority of these types of cases, there'd be a vast disparity in the two households which would possibly/probably not help the children in the long run either.
The part of this that you're not addressing in your arguements has to do with parenting of the child/children. Is an illegitimate father going to be the best for the circumstances? [btw: let me borrow a quote from Rick Warren: There are no illegitimate children....only illegimate parents!]. A man that it takes 'testing' to bring him forward with just doesn't sound to me to be one that's going to be too eager to do much of a good job. And again, if he is eager, options are available.
What we're really talking about here between us is the 'default setting' in the hospital about whether to test or not. I understand that you wish the "default' to be set to give the test without further active involvement. I'd rather however instead be for the test to require active response in order to get it. In generally passive conditions, there simply really isn't that much need, or at least needs which will forward better conditions for the kids. | |
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Karen5
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Joined: 4/11/2007
Msg: 32 | |
| Call for paternity tests at birth
Posted: 1/4/2008 10:15:01 PM | If my brother had not fought for proof that his gf's child was his, he would not have legally been allowed to participate in his son's life for the past 10 years. It was his right to know that he was the father of the child. I am convinced that his son is better off for having my brother in his life - as well as having his grandmother, aunts, uncles, and cousins that he would not have otherwise known.
It's pretty obvious who the mother is when a child is born. Not so much for the father - and this isn't fair to the father, imo. | |
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| Call for paternity tests at birth
Posted: 1/4/2008 10:23:39 PM | Edit: I think I'm done editting this one now.
Well you may be done, but I'm not. Since you're such a stickler for "getting it right", then you certainly want to know that editing only has one "t".
Now please. Go back to being correct.  | |
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| Call for paternity tests at birth
Posted: 1/4/2008 10:27:19 PM | Thanks Captivating! Love you!
I'm fried tonight...guess it's Friday. That any three words I've written make any sense is a stretch. I'll watch that double - t next time! Thanks! LOL. Have a good night. o4 | |
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