| Middle aged men and motorbikes
Posted: 1/2/2008 10:13:47 AM |
As for having pics of it on profiles..each to their own, be a dull old world if we all liked the same things. I personally like to see a variety of pics on someones profile as its a reflection of them, who they are and what they are passionate about.
sounds about right to me..
As for coming on the back of a motorcycle- no thanks
Dont knock it till you have tried it......
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| Middle aged men and motorbikes
Posted: 1/2/2008 4:57:27 PM |
Now how about a man an a big Porche or Lamborgini, or maybe a Ferrari .. Mmmmmm Would love to watch them change gear
How about a man with a big ( £80 - 200 k ) Porsche , lambo, or Ferrari to sit next to in any traffic jam any where any time , and watch the bikes (£5 - 10 K )filter past ... still moving still free ...
Watching a Lambo changing gear is much the same as watching my SEAT Leon change gear ... fancy watching ..?!? | |
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| Middle aged men and motorbikes
Posted: 1/2/2008 8:37:43 PM | Ooo I love a man who rides a motorbike, and see nothing wrong with them showing it off in pictures, especially if they are leathered up too. Phwoooar. 
One day I will make sure I can ride a motor bike, love the feeling when I'm on one. | |
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| Middle aged men and motorbikes
Posted: 1/3/2008 2:53:43 PM |
is this some kind of male thing you have to replace women?
No, it compliments a woman, rather than replacing her.
There are few pleasures to beat riding a bike with a woman on the back seat.
or are you trying to relive your youth.?
That might apply to some, but not to me, as I didn't have a bike in my youth. | |
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| Middle aged men and motorbikes
Posted: 1/3/2008 4:12:43 PM | According to the Op Im middle aged.
I've had bikes since I was 20.
I dont ride when salt is on the road or snow or frost.
I dont go as fast as I used to, as I think I wont fix if I come off.
Profiles are personal to the Person if you dont like,click past
Isnt that the whole Idea of POF.....
Dont understand where your coming from actually | |
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| Middle aged men and motorbikes
Posted: 1/3/2008 4:43:08 PM | Leathers on a bike are not a fashion statement, they are handy for helping to protect you when you get knocked off by an typical " I didnt see you mate" numpty cage driver.
And why don't they see them? Because the Power Rangers don't take into account the fact that cars cannot manouevre or accelerate in the same way and do not have the same level of visibility.
Mistakes are made by people who don't pay attention and don't read the road ahead.
That includes bikers.
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| Middle aged men and motorbikes
Posted: 1/3/2008 4:55:25 PM |
Mistakes are made by people who don't pay attention and don't read the road ahead. That includes bikers.
spot on santoki .. cage drivers need to actually look before manoevering, and bikers should expect the unexpected and ride accordingly
OT - car design doesnt help either - the current trend for 'safe' cages mean that the A pillars on cars ( the ones that frame the windscreen) are so thick and badly positioned these days that one can easily lose a car OR a bike in the 'blind spot' created by these pillars eg on a roundabout - without proper obs, its so easy to pull out on someone because you 'didn't see them' ... | |
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| Middle aged men and motorbikes
Posted: 1/3/2008 5:01:59 PM | That is the typical attitude of a cage driver who has not ridden a bike. I expect every car driver to have not seen me and to be trying to kill me but I am no longer amazed every time I have had a car not notice me there when riding quite normally. I strongly believe ALL car drivers should be forced to do the CBT training day and maybe then they will appreciate how vunerable bikes and bikers are in comparison to cars and will maybe not be so arrogant and flippant about bikes.
As to being refered to as "Power Rangers" for wearing leathers, its called protection you dumb ass. You try sliding down the road in jeans and a t shirt at even 30mph and then see how much skin you have left.
Attitudes of arrogant car drivers like you kills bikers.
As for it being "easy to pull out on someone because you just didnt see them".. how about taking the extra 1 second to look PROPERLY before you pull out eh, rather than relying on every bike to assume you are going too. | |
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| Middle aged men and motorbikes
Posted: 1/3/2008 5:26:13 PM | just a point.
how many people have this image of motorbikers weaving in and out of traffic thats moving fast thorough there lane?
thrill seeking?
all in the aid of just getting from a to b?
car drivers have responsiblity,but so do bikers.
responsible driving works both ways.
most care drivers do try to drive responsible.
its not themselves they have to worry about. | |
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| Middle aged men and motorbikes
Posted: 1/4/2008 12:42:41 AM |
I strongly believe ALL car drivers should be forced to do the CBT training day
I have been saying this for years. I took my CBT and it did make me more aware of bikers on the road, more so than I was before, so it has helped.
Msg 32, have you not seen the advert where the guy pulls out from a junction and fails to notice the bike rider.
I think some sort of training in order to be more aware of bikers should be made compulsery. | |
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| Middle aged men and motorbikes
Posted: 1/4/2008 12:50:49 AM | done CBT training years back for when I rode a bike, pity that some bike riders cant get a car test or drive a car and have some muppet on a bike behind or in front of them on full beam or their dipped light up so high that it dazzles me...
when they are behind me and are dazzling me, simply flip the rear view mirror up and position myself so that they are central to me, ie not dazzling me.
nothing wrong with making one's self more visible to other road users, when they not trying to dazzle me, will often pull over a bit to let them thru a gap, eg when overtaking a long line of lorries and always check they are not in my blind spot, or at least as much as possible :) | |
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| Middle aged men and motorbikes
Posted: 1/4/2008 1:35:02 AM | Steve... since 2004 all motorcycles sold have the dipped beam on as standard.. in fact you have no on/off light switch at all. This is part of trying to get them seen more. The dazzling is caused due to the fact that a motorbike is a lot lighter than a car and the suspension is effected more by bumps in the road or by acceleration/braking than a cars which causes the height of the light to change.
Yes I appreciate there are some numptys on bikes as well as cars, but try to remember in an collision bikers are a lot more vunerable too.
At least every single day I have a car in front of me weaving all over the road as the driver has his/her mobile held to their ear to make a call. I have even seen someone in a big lorry do it and when I overtook him and got level with his cab... shook me finger from side to side and did the universal sign for phone to ear and carried on past I got a blast of horn from him and a v sign from the hand that wasnt clasped to his ear. | |
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| Middle aged men and motorbikes
Posted: 1/4/2008 1:48:44 AM | ^^^ thats just typical and I fully agree ...
thats one thing car drivers cant slag off bikers for - Using mobile phones... and the fact that the current idea of making people who use mobile phones whilst driving do a short stint in porridge and a fine doesnt seem to deter them at all....
Lots of people are unduely prejudiced about motorcycle riders... They are not all speed freeks with a death wish... | |
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| Middle aged men and motorbikes
Posted: 1/4/2008 2:19:03 AM | this has gone totally off track and I wish I could delete it
I've had private messages from guys agreeing with my original post- middle aged men buying bikes that have no idea how to ride them and using them for posing.... | |
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Posted: 1/4/2008 2:39:01 AM | " Because the Power Rangers don't take into account the fact that cars cannot manouevre or accelerate in the same way and do not have the same level of visibility."
I have never heard anything so stupid!
Same level of visibilty? Try a helmet on!
Cars can manovere plenty good enough if the driver has been taught properly and is not lazy, they move pretty well when the driver isn't paying proper attention to the road they are pulling out of or changing lanes without doing a blind spot check. Or trying patheticly to race a motorcycle that has filtered to the end of the traffic lights. Yes filtering is legal, under certain circumstances- read your highway code.
Yes fookin lazy car drivers that can't be bothered to check their blind spots or to read a highway code and then decide to give other road users greif when they are in the wrong!
You will generaly find the satistics of who's fault it is in this country with regard to bike accidents doesn't favour the car driver at all.
I'd take any car driver on the road on my bike and they would be shocked at the poor quality and standards of most car drivers on the roads. Every day I see a potential accident due to lazy, ignorant car drivers. And every other day I have to take evasive action before I get wiped out again! | |
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| Middle aged men and motorbikes
Posted: 1/4/2008 2:56:47 AM | I've had private messages from guys agreeing with my original post- middle aged men buying bikes that have no idea how to ride them and using them for posing....
So let me get this straight... you have had guys PM you saying that they have bought bikes in their middle age with no idea of how to ride them and they just want to pose on them? Or they agree with you that they "think" that others do it?
Two different things entirely. If its the second one, it just proves that they think the same way as you, that doesnt make your statement a fact. Likewise they read the thread and chose to message you their opinion rather than post it up here? :roll: Sure thing.
Everyone has hobbies, I did over 20,000 miles on my motorbike in the last 12 months.. none of it was commuting for work.. all fun and track days..after all it is my hobby... the average mileage done on a bike each year is 3,000 miles.. you know, people with less spare time than me doing their hobby.
Some middle aged women take up knitting as a hobby with no idea of how to use the needles but thats their choice too. Live and let live I say... but, I have yet to meet a biker who only bought the bike to pose on. | |
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| Middle aged men and motorbikes
Posted: 1/4/2008 4:18:17 AM | Yeah sorry off track but yes us bikers have to deffend ourselves all time from silly opinions when the roads out there are more dangerous than some think.
So my reply for this thread is .......... How can you pose on something if you can't take it out!
Plus who know's it's you with a helmet and protection on!
Ahh more ridiculas statements about bikers. Sad. | |
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| Middle aged men and motorbikes
Posted: 1/4/2008 10:01:18 AM | I'd guess its a bit lke middle-aged-men-in-porsche-911s
- younger people can't afford the good bikes, cars, stuff. If older men want to spend money on what is I'm sure an enjoyable hobby, why not? They're probably worked for years to be able to afford it after all, and a bikes nowhere near as bad for the environment as a sports car | |
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| Middle aged men and motorbikes
Posted: 1/4/2008 2:52:53 PM | That is the typical attitude of a cage driver who has not ridden a bike.
Interesting assumption. Completely wrong, but interesting nonetheless.
I expect every car driver to have not seen me and to be trying to kill me
Snap. I expect every bike rider to be trying to kill themselves.
I strongly believe ALL car drivers should be forced to do the CBT training day and maybe then they will appreciate how vunerable bikes and bikers are in comparison to cars
Well fortunately that's never going to happen (what with being a completely stupid idea and all).
As to being refered to as "Power Rangers" for wearing leathers, its called protection you dumb ass.
Wearing leather is protection. Wearing mincy colours is not.
Attitudes of arrogant car drivers like you kills bikers.
Actually the attitude of bikers who think that car drivers are to blame for all their accidents is what kills bikers. Oh, that and going like a bat out of hell on an adrenaline rush of course. Clearly you are one of the typically retarded ones with a superiority complex, rather than realising that both parties can be just as much to blame.
As for it being "easy to pull out on someone because you just didnt see them".. how about taking the extra 1 second to look PROPERLY before you pull out
How about slowing down and taking a bit more care?
Msg 32, have you not seen the advert where the guy pulls out from a junction and fails to notice the bike rider.
Yes, that would be the one where the biker is travelling too fast for the conditions.
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Posted: 1/5/2008 4:04:12 AM | I cant be arsed to do all the little quotes on your post but..
I am neither retarded or have a superiority complex, in fact I have to be both an advanced driver and rider for work so see both sides of it.
Do you even have any concept of the factual statistics involving motorbike accidents... clearly not from your assumptions. I suggest you go and do some research as car drivers who "didnt see" the bike are to blame in the overwhelming majority of these accidents.
Again, who said the bikes are speeding past junctions or roundabouts in the first place, but instead of you taking the extra 1 second to look properly, your answer is for the bike to take more care? YOU are not taking care by not taking the time to look properly, not the bike that is alreading on the roundabout or has right of way. Of course, I am sure you would be the first to complain if you got prosecuted for driving without due care and attention for actions such as that though.
Clearly you have not seen The Road safety advert that was mentioned where the car pulls out in front of the bike as it is clear the bike is travelling within the speed limit in the middle of the lane, but obviously your opinion like your driving is so blinkered that you fail to see it. The advert is to highlight spending that extra second to look properly, the advert is not there to say bikes are bad... it is saying they are harder to see and spend more time looking before you kill someone. Attitudes like yours dont help the cause either.  | |
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Posted: 1/5/2008 6:02:37 AM | SanToki - You talk out of your arse! You quite obviously have never ridden a bike on the road, and therefore you have zero experiance from which to base your comments on.
The 'car-only' car drivers of the world have NO idea as to the level of awareness, concentration and even sixth sense an individual has to achieve to be able to survive.
A car driver rarely has to give much consideration to the weather, road conditions, and spatial awareness. Lets face it, at 'average' speeds, a car driver might have an accident that will result in some minor damage, very rarely does a biker ever have minor damage, either to themselves or their machine.
Most often, the reason that car drivers get 'spooked' by a biker is because YOU NEVER SAW THEM!
I've been riding over 30 years, both off-road & road machines, and will only give up when I have to, or some tit likes you kills me. | |
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| Middle aged men and motorbikes
Posted: 1/5/2008 9:13:05 AM | I cant be arsed to do all the little quotes on your post but..
I am neither retarded or have a superiority complex
And I'm not a "dumbass", so let's leave the silly petty name calling you started to the side as it doesn't particularly do you or me any favours and this is neither the time nor the place to it.
I'll ignore the laughable comments from Nick above incidentally as clearly he's not even read what he's actually replying to, and is just spouting nonsense because someone dared to say that car drivers are not wholly responsible for all the bad things that happens to bikers (who needs rational thought when you've got red mist to compensate, eh?).
Do you even have any concept of the factual statistics involving motorbike accidents
I haven't said anything regarding statistics at all, I and another poster mentioned that bikers need to take just as much care as car drivers do (if not more), instead of displaying the typical sycophantic "it's all the car drivers fault" attitude.
Whilst we're on the subject of statistics though, according to the London Biker website apparently the recent official Government stats (collated through use of those little boxes and wires they leave draped across the road) state that the percentage of car drivers and bikers who speed are almost exactly the same (both well over 50%). The severity of the speed is always more severe in the case of the bikers though.
Again, who said the bikes are speeding past junctions
"speeding" does not just mean going above the little numbers on the arbitary signs displayed at the side of the road.
Speeding also means going too fast to be able to take an appropriate action.
If you're approaching a junction where a car is waiting to pull out and you don't moderate your speed to take into account driver stupidity, then it's not all the car driver's fault. Driving and riding should be about paranoia; mistakes happen all the time - no-one deliberately sets out to cause an accident.
Clearly you have not seen The Road safety advert that was mentioned where the car pulls out in front of the bike as it is clear the bike is travelling within the speed limit
Yes I have, it's here;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXI8-_9FrB4
Notice how the supposed view the driver has is specifically limited by placing the camera at the left hand side of the driver's head?
Notice how the car has barely covered a foot of movement before a bike suddenly appears and slams into the middle of the car?
Notice how the car that goes past at the speed limit just before appears to be crawling along, but the biker doesn't?
The message it carries is a very just one, there is no denying that, but the advert itself is a ridiculous and deliberately designed attempt to shock by use of overdramatic liberties. In that advert, I see two people who are not paying sufficient attention to the road.
but obviously your opinion like your driving is so blinkered
Well isn't that strange, because there's only one of us blaming the other side for everything.
Clue: it's not me.
My point was and still is this - everyone on the road needs to take more care, car drivers and bike riders.
That, and that alone, is my "blinkered" view. Are you saying you do not agree with it?
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| Middle aged men and motorbikes
Posted: 1/5/2008 9:28:02 AM | When a car driver says "I didnt see you" that is not an excuse
It is an admission of guilt -end of . | |
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| Middle aged men and motorbikes
Posted: 1/5/2008 9:34:36 AM | When a car driver says "I didnt see you" that is not an excuse
It is an admission of guilt -end of .
Hehe, and I'm the blinkered one. lol.
What if the full statement is "I didn't see you because you were going too fast" ?
Is it then all the car driver's fault?
All accidents happen because two parties are not paying sufficient attention to the road.
That goes for car on car accidents, or car on bike accidents.
You cannot run into someone - even if it is the other person's mistake - if you are driving appropriately.
EDIT : VVVVV Careful Foxy, they'll make you come and stand in the naughty corner with me and Ogg :)
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