| Prostitution: a Prep School for Marriage?
Posted: 1/2/2008 5:39:51 PM | | might i throw a wrench into the cog as well. i never heard that prostitutes made good wives, but rather good mothers. either way, i think they'd do no better or worse than any women who have never sold their bodies outright. they have done, or continue to do what they want, just as many who marry for convenience as has already been stated. personally, i wouldn't like for my wife to be a victim of the stigma attached to the profession. it would be hard to have her recognized as such, even though she was my wife, just as i'd prefer no one to think harm of any woman i'm with, whether she charged money or just had sex for fun in her past. i have known a very few women actually in the business, most aquaintances of friends and some as customers in my place of business. they were people, just like myself, they sold a commodity on the open market, like myself, and made money doing it. if i didn't have customers, my business would fail so i hold no prejudices against them personally. as the cliche states, we all pay for it one way or the other. if its a business act to them, they should as well be capable of seperating home life from work, and be able to function as well as anyone else in the housewife capacity. i think more it would be their drive to be successful, no matter what they "do" that would make them good wife material. if they have no drive, then no matter what their profession, they won't be good as a wife or as anything else. people are people, all individuals, some have had better chances in life and some have made better choices, so lighten up and remember the ladies of the night have value too in someones eyes. | |
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| Prostitution: a Prep School for Marriage?
Posted: 1/2/2008 5:40:53 PM |
I perceive them as:
• Self-centered and self-absorbed,
• Drug-dependant (sometimes alcohol-dependant),
• Immoral,
• Manipulative, and
• Often afflicted with significant emotional or mental disorders.
Well, fair enough, but what about the prostitutes....? | |
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| Prostitution: a Prep School for Marriage?
Posted: 1/2/2008 5:47:03 PM | Don, numerous published studies by practicing sociologists and psychological specialists are readily available for your inspection. (I speculate much is available on the internet.) No apologies are required . . . we are having an adult discussion, after all.
Regarding my personal experiences, I’ll take a fifth of Johnny Walker -- Black label, please.LOL
Someone please guide me to the retirement community for retired hookers (if one exists). They do not simply evaporate. They live in most communities. Wanna see a show of hands, Gwen?
. . . and Gwen -- I dare say MANY men would ‘fess and raise both hands (if they only knew). | |
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| Prostitution: a Prep School for Marriage?
Posted: 1/2/2008 5:50:59 PM | The men get sex and someone to clean the house and bear their children. The women get money, gifts, clothes, holidays. Even though they are married, it is still a prostitution exchange. Love is rarely part of it for both sides. It works for these men though, and it's no loss to normal women who would never consider them to be dating material. The prostitute gets her money. Win-win for all, except the kids, who are a product of a hooker and a john.
oh so true.
that was one point i was hoping to make but i think it went over some peoples head.
most ppl are prostituting themselves but don't realize it.
even the lonely ole hags who have been beaten down and weathered by life. she finally settles for some guy who tells her every thing she wants to her, but in her heart she knows is untrue. She sells herself to avoid loneliness, yeh she sells herself. He has most of the income, she was a house wife in her younger years....she doesn't have much in social security. She has no retirement left. Maybe that younger man wiped out her savings.Ole fart marries her after all she is still a great deal younger than he is....but a year later he is caught fondling the maid. she gets angry, she stays with him. why? because she rather pay the cost her "self respect", than face that bitter pill of loneliness.
damn hookers ain't marriage material, friggin prostitutes are a disgrace to humanity..huh?
oh gosh, I'm long winded...but heck you get the point
-everyone is prostituting themselves even on the job...you better perform and do it right or the boss is gonna fire your ass. He talks to you like sh!t you swallow and hold your tongue. He doesn't give you the promotion you deserve....u take it up the heiny ... you better not back talk or you will be kicked to the curb... hooking yourself. Job fairs ...mass meat markets...
I don't know anymore hookers but,
I knew plenty when I was a nurse in a county hospital, I also met a few in a rehab facility I worked at. I became really great friends with a ex-hooker. She was one of the most giving, non-judgemental, caring persons i knew. Gosh she was friggin gorgeous. She'd give a helping hand anytime it was needed. She was the best counselor in L A county(she was awarded) by the state of CA on several occasions.
yeh keep judging a life you have never had to live
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| Prostitution: a Prep School for Marriage?
Posted: 1/2/2008 5:52:23 PM | ^^^^^ Now that was funny... I don't care who you are, that was funny right thar!
Weatherman: always wrong, never charges a dime.
Paperboy: delivers your paper, throws it in the bushes, collects a fee, expects a tip.
Doctor: listens to your complaints, misdiagnosis and collects a fee.
Lawyer: Lies to you, does half of what he says he'll do and collects a fee.
Plumber: fixes your pipes, charges you a fee (overcharges), collects a fee.
Prostitute: does exactly what she says she'll do - cleans your pipes then collects a fee.
Where's the dishonor in that? | |
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| Prostitution: a Prep School for Marriage?
Posted: 1/2/2008 5:54:50 PM | kindacute - I think both of your posts on this subject deserve a standing ovation! Couldn't possibly say it as well! Thank you for posting.
For some of you - I would make an excellent wife! Slightly out of practise, quit drinking 15 years back - but enough of you kept my habit alive and hic hic hic'ing that I'm certain to make one of you lucky Johns a great l'il wifeepoo  
A.S.is
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| Prostitution: a Prep School for Marriage?
Posted: 1/2/2008 7:01:18 PM | | I'm throwing my hat into the ring with Indigo Rose and Kindacute (who would be better named "reallyverycute"), what is this crap where you all assume a persons past relegates them to some lower position in life, unworhty of the lofted title of "wife" regardless of where they may be now on their journey. Yeah, I have known a few prostitutes in my time. The only difference between them and me was they were getting paid for what I would have given up for free. And WHO hadn't? Which one of you hasn't closed there eyes at sometime and imagined themselves in some totally wicked and sexually perverse act that a good prostitute would be paid big bucks for? So they did it and you only imagined it? When people who have travelled down the dark and lonely roads survive and move on and find new lives and new ways to live , some go with a wisdom that the righteous never had. Would a woman who at onetime sold her soul not knowing where she was, who came to the realisation that the love she really wanted could be found with a man who mutually loved and trusted her regardless of her past, not make a great wife? I cannot imagine falling in love with someone and then falling out of love with them because they told me that in their former life they had done some bad things. well lah de freakin dah... oh to be among the sainted who never have sinned. This really wise man i read one time said "let He who is without sin cast the first stone"...then another guy on the otherside of the spectrum said name a four letter word for whore...lighten up people...you never know what you might do given the right (or wrong) situation. One of my favorite questions is " is it worse to have sex with someone for money or treat your waiter like a dog because he f'u'c'ked up your order?" I did know a former prostitute who said she'd rather be a whore than be a mean person. My reply is " those that mind, don't matter...those that matter, don't mind!' So yeah, I would marry Julia Roberts anyday. Would she make a great wife? Only if she kept being " the Pretty Woman?" I know the wicked man hating b't'hs at the country club. Their old men are out in Vegas with the call girls...so will yours if you don't get a grip.... | |
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| Prostitution: a Prep School for Marriage?
Posted: 1/2/2008 7:08:27 PM | first and foremost, OP, you and i are perfectly clear. and i thank you for this.
moving forward though,
i do not in actuality support the 'profession' now in question. but i see a lot of erroneous misconceptions and concepts being tossed out as actual facts.
how is it the case that just because we venture to believe that what we think on the matter is true, constitutes as actual fact?
people do what they do. and to write every relationship off as a tacit form of prostitution seems to me to undermine the idea of two people genuinely having affections for each other and thus choosing to share themselves with one another.
only a jaded mind, one laden with insecurities and and a hidden agenda, would attempt to justify the misconception that every intimate relationship is touched by a taste of prostitution.
it is not the case that what we have experienced in our personal lives resonates as the universal norm.
come now! prostitution, we adjudge as wrong. great! but this does not give credence to one claiming that all relations are colored by some form of prostitution.
things are not that dismal for everyone. despite that things may be this dismal for you. | |
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| Prostitution: a Prep School for Marriage?
Posted: 1/2/2008 7:30:20 PM | | ..Thudpucker let me throw a spanner in the works here...if everyone is so upset about prostitution and training for marraige, what about friends with benefits...is this not just the same... without the money transaction involved? So if we take it like that ,then yes I do have to agree with you , friends with benefits might make better spouses. But now I need to tread carefully...Good nonsense thread!! ;) | |
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| Prostitution: a Prep School for Marriage?
Posted: 1/2/2008 7:42:12 PM | Well ....... from what I understand - we don’t really need a hOOker ...... just find a gal that smokes.
According to that other tread - the gals that smoke *may* have more experience than your average hOOker.
(yes this is a bs post - the survey really said that only 79.533345 percent of the gals that smoke have more experience - than a hOOker)
(that last part was also bs lol) | |
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| Prostitution: a Prep School for Marriage?
Posted: 1/2/2008 8:31:44 PM | Hi Dreams!
That provokes an interesting new, more compassionate direction, a different twist, to the situation. FWB indeed might be a relatively non-traditional, yet effective way, of discussing this type of relationship. The parameters are similar, lacking only those colorful social stigmas involved.
Opinions, Fishies? | |
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| Prostitution: a Prep School for Marriage?
Posted: 1/2/2008 8:50:50 PM | I remember dating a whore. I picked her up leaving a boring party in the hills. I took my lawyer car, a damn ferrari. As I was stopped at a light, I ask a woman if she could help me out. She jumped in and drove me to my hotel.
As we parted, I felt funny so I asked her to come up to my room for a while. I thought she was a drug user because she went to floss after we had some strawberries and champagne.
By the next day I laid out enough cash to keep her around for a week! We'll see how it goes..
~Belly~ | |
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| Prostitution: a Prep School for Marriage?
Posted: 1/2/2008 8:57:14 PM | I knew one "ex" prostitute who has recovered from the addiction of drugs and alcohol for 10 yrs, and went on to college and a real career. I didn't know any of this about her at first, but we hung out for a while a few years back (strictly platonically) and we had a very close emotionally intimate bond. I believe she was actually looking to me for guidance even though I only had a little over a year in recovery at that time. I looked-up to her because of her time in recovery, never thinking about how low she went. I was not the extremely low bottom situation she was.
I can tell you this about her, she sincerely tries to live "right" now, but she's far from what I'd call marriage material either. Most of those other behaviors and issues are still very prevelant and they don't just "disappear" without some very serious help and intensive therapy.
There were lots of things dating back to her childhood and abuse, neglect. Juvenile hall history, and finally emancipating herself from her parents just to live under a bridge and sell herself for her next fix for 10 yrs. Nevermind contracting Hepatitis C and the loss of several of her rear teeth (otherwise one of the most physically attractive women I've ever seen).
It will take someone like that many years and lots of therapy before she's even remotely normal and ready for a healthy relationship. You'd have to be a saint and a very strong person to endure it.
Oh yeah, and if you think the sex would be awesome, think again. She also had issues with sex because of her past. She didn't have sex at all, or very rarely. It brought-up too many memories for her. Although we were strictly platonic, we were very close and she did confide this to me once or twice. I'd imagine most women in the same / similar situation would also have such sexual dis-functions.
It's not what you want or what you think it would be.
MikeM | |
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| Prostitution: a Prep School for Marriage?
Posted: 1/2/2008 10:05:07 PM | I think I have seen one of them in my day. She hit on my friend's dad at the gas station. $5.00 for the deluxe and $10.00 for it all. and I'm sorry... My "guy" crawled himself up into my stomach and wouldn't come out for hours! Not even to pee! I had to sit down to do that! I had drank so much coke that day too!
So, no thank you. | |
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| Prostitution: a Prep School for Marriage?
Posted: 1/3/2008 1:54:58 AM |
friends with benefits might make better spouses
If it was a genuine FWB relationship. Not one in which one party was hoping for more, one party pitied the other, or they were not actually friends at all. Friends would suggest also having a good time as friends outside the bedroom, having commonalities and enjoying each other. Then the benefits part is because both people desire sex with each other and find each other attractive enough to have sex. Money not involved. I would say this would be a better relationship than the traditional where you have a cycle of infatuation that tapers off and leads to cheating, jealousy, boredom and breaking up. After 14 years, I still have the same best friend and love her just the same. How many boyfriends have I had in that time? Can't even count them. Lovers comes and go but true friendship stays. | |
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| Prostitution: a Prep School for Marriage?
Posted: 1/3/2008 2:07:15 AM | The opening proposition for this thread is silly as has been amply pointed out.
I have had to deal with a few in a professional (non-sexual) capacity. There is no stereo-type ant more than there is a stereo-type in accountants or check-out operators who are drug or alcohol dependant or whatever....
So, they are people. If they are real, and you like them for who they are, that is great. Some people think fish-gutters make good spouses and pro-basketballers are all lying cheats - go figure. It comes down to the person. | |
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| Prostitution: a Prep School for Marriage?
Posted: 1/3/2008 4:20:20 AM | I would never bother with a woman knowingly she's into the sex trade like that. Stripper is as far as it goes as long she plans on stopping the activity once we're committed to each other.
I don't want no man touching my girl. | |
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| Prostitution: a Prep School for Marriage?
Posted: 1/3/2008 10:05:11 AM | Alright, enough. Surely everyone has heard the expression that prostitution is the 'oldest profession'. Now, that doesn't refer to the gals plying their trade on the streets. It refers to the fact that since males and females have existed, women trade sex for love, protection, sustenance, shelter, a ring and a promise for all of the above forever, I can go on and on. Whether you trade it for 'whatever' or for money, it's the same thing whether you care to admit it or not. It's bartering one thing for another. As soon as a woman even considers whether a man will be a good provider or not, she's weighing out whether that will be a good enough reason to consider having sex with him. She's making an investment for her potential future with him, making sex available in return, which is what he's mainly interested in (and before you challenge whether that's what he's primarily interested in, ask yourself how many intimate relationships men will pursue with women if there is absolutely NEVER any chance for sex; few). And men trade 'whatever' or money for sex.
I know there will be people, mostly women, who will shout to the rooftops that there's a difference between someone who has sex for immediate reimbursement and one who gets married, takes care of the house, has kids, prepares food and cleans, etc. while the guy goes out and makes the money and pays for her food, clothing, shelter, etc.. But you can 'hire' a woman to do all those things as well. It all depends on how much you want to pay, and what you want to pay for. Not all guys want children, and we can do pretty much everything else other than sex for ourselves (in fact, we can satisfy our sexual urges ourselves. That leaves affection, the only thing we need another human being for at all, and there are women who will sell that as well). So why should anyone be forced into the 'package deal'? Just because historically, societies want their members to have families, procreate to have more members in that society?? Bah. Speaking as someone who got raked over the coals in a divorce, I would have been much better off financially if I had simply paid prostitutes on a pay as you go method rather than wind up losing virtually everything anyway.
Let the flames begin. | |
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| Prostitution: a Prep School for Marriage?
Posted: 1/3/2008 10:20:13 AM | I was taught that Joshua, the spiritual leader who took over from Moses, married Rachav, a prostitute. See http://www.geocities.com/rachav/rachav1.html
If a prostitute is good enough for the leader of G-d's people, would it not follow that she's good enough for me? I'm definitely not holier than Joshua. | |
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| Prostitution: a Prep School for Marriage?
Posted: 1/3/2008 10:27:26 AM | Mes. # 68
That leaves affection, the only thing we need another human being for at all, and there are women who will sell that as well).
Let the flames begin.
Flaming someone who believes that affection can be bought or sold doesn't seem worthy of a flame...well at least not in my opinion anyway, but to each their own:)
On topic...
I sometimes think that people saw the movie "Pretty Woman" as a documentary, and NOT as a modern Cinderella bullcrap
story made in Hollywood's "la la land" for the "la la people" who actually buy into that crap. That is what I'm starting to think after reading the stuff I read on here everyday...but hey, that's me and this is just my opinion:)
Edit: I have known MANY prostitutes by their first names AND their last names. I have loved and cared for some of them...and I have often held some of them in my arms while they wept. NONE of them could have even remotely identified themselves with Julia Roberts' character. Hollywood is simply NOT reality.
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| Prostitution: a Prep School for Marriage?
Posted: 1/3/2008 10:34:14 AM |
women that prostitute for their kids a hero ???? that statement makes me sick!!!!!!!!BULL ****RING SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've been a single mom for yrs and had to survive and never once ever thought of becoming a hooker to do it! if she would think of her kids that would never cross her mind unless she just doesn't give a shit and like to spread her legs!
great for you ...many have raised their kids by themselves and not had to do things like this
but some dont have education , opportunities for some it is the only way they can see to survive ... wish it wasent so ...and i dont think if they just didnt give a shit or didnt have morals so many would commit suicide
How many people in here know a prostitute on a first name basis? (Gigolos count.) ....i do i do
How many people in here would date either a prostitute or an ex-prostitute? ..i will iwill...if she wanted to change her life
How many people in here are already dating or have dated either a prostitute or an ex-prostitute? i have ..but even though i forgave her past she could not ...tragic...god rest her soul....as i said i know something of the suicide tendencies in ex prostitutes... and if more people could forgive and let them live past their past ...maybe more of them could forgive themselves and live past their pasts | |
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| Prostitution: a Prep School for Marriage?
Posted: 1/3/2008 10:52:05 AM | | I have to agree with you. Every guy i know is cheating on their wife or partner. They marry the lady who would be a great mom and wife ...but cheat with the slut. I want to marry the slut that I can treat like a princess | |
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| Prostitution: a Prep School for Marriage?
Posted: 1/3/2008 11:44:09 AM | I have to apologize for my other post. After reading many inputs from people I can gain knowledge from and respect their sharing, I must change my thinking or maybe you just made me really think.
No one is born, planning for difficulties that influence their need to make choices in life that others don't have to make. The saying...Walk a mile in someone's shoes before making a judgement should be contemplated by everyone, before casting stones.
Thank you oldsoul and deerdog for your big hearts and deep compassionate souls. | |
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| Prostitution: a Prep School for Marriage?
Posted: 1/3/2008 12:14:13 PM | Well,
Given we have a storied history of some wives making excellent prostitutes I can't rule out a productive cycle on this one.
It amazes me how in this self aggrandizing contempt for those in the oldest profession that few understand or sympathize with the fact that women rarely come to prostitution by choice. Whether they are enslaved before puberty or succumb to socio-economic pressures arguably beyond their control how dare any of you judge them when you have no idea what suffering is.
I don't think I could personally handle marrying an ex prostitute, but as has been noted I'm gonna do the right thing and not judge a life I've never had to live. A woman that rises above poor circumstance is to be admired. | |
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| Prostitution: a Prep School for Marriage?
Posted: 1/3/2008 12:50:50 PM | The burning question remains: Where do retired prostitutes go? Old Hookers never die – they just trade away? (Sorry, Doug! Oops!)
What forces them into retirement? Do they evaporate into the aether? Do they go to a retirement home in Palm Springs?
Do they get a free ascension? Do they die? Get kidnapped? Get sold into slavery?
. . . or do they MARRY SOMEONE? | |
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