| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 7:21:21 AM | | Spinner, you attacked a dead man! With what you are hearing on the street. Called him all kinds of names, after hearing rumers of an empty booze bottle, a slingshot,and debris in the enclosure. Have you actually researched the zoos past? A bunch of you guys are looking like a lynch mob going off on something some little kid made up and started spreading arround. I guess I like tigers more than sheep.LOL | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 7:27:39 AM | Im well aware of the zoo's past and why not attack a dead man? Shit, this is America - I heard viciousness and cruelty when Ronald Reagan died, so Im merely adhering to tradition. That said, the SFPD broke the story about the vodka and the Washington Post about the slingshots - not too I said 'IF true' multiple times - if it turns out that Im corrected, I will stand corrected - as I am not however, a member of the media or the police, I am entitled to my opinion - moblike or not.
As to the zoo - I grew up in Boston - we have the Franklin Park public zoo - and with all the elements in the area, it was not uncommon to have some moron throwing things at the animals - so really, its not too far fetched to beleive that these mooks brought the attack on themselves. Now pay attention to the next word: IF ....IF this is true, IF they tormented the cat, they ARE idiots, and the one kid who was deleted is one less contaminant for the gene pool. | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 7:49:41 AM | | Id like you to pay attention to your last statement spinner. (not uncommon to have some moron throwing things at the animals) That means it happens alot. So debris is a common finding in the enclosure I suppose. So IF the cat was teased, it didnt nessisarily have to be them, It could have been the person before them I suppose. There are so many variables in this case, Im holding off any judgement. | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 7:51:42 AM | | and that's your right to withhold judgement. I just have a gut feeling that with the vodka in the car, as confirmed by the SFPD and the as yet uncorroborated reports of slingshots - it sounds like a few morons decided to play a game with a 500 lb killing machine ..... and ended up losing in dramatic fashion. Its a lot like playing Russian Roulette....with an automatic pistol - obviously stupid. | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 8:14:47 AM | I see that there's actually some people in San Fran with dignity.
Who knew....
Tatyana should have been tranquilized, not killed.
The stupid morons who got themselves mauled by teasing her (A TIGER!!!!!) got off easy.
RIP Tatyana, this world isn't good enough for Tigers anyway. | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 8:36:40 AM | | Serious subject buy may I add a little humor that makes s serious point. Not sure about the precise date by at the celebrations in India to mark Queen Victoria's jubilee the then Prince of Wales decided to try have a go at 'pig sticking' - apparently a local custom similar to bull fighting. Not a good idea - especially when dressed in a stunning white ceremonial uniform because the pig didn't t like being stuck on the backside one little bit and retaliated by charging at the Prince and knocking him down in the mud. The Prince was outraged " How dare he" he proclaimed trying to wipe the mud off his royal insignia. " So sorry your royal highness ' says the Maharaja that had laid on the exhibition and continued " But we really must not blame the pig. You see sir you know that your are the Prince of Wales. I know that you are the Prince of Wales but the pig unfortunately dear sir does not". If anyone is to blame for this unfortunate incident then it has to be the zoo and indeed the public in general who want to get nearer and nearer to wild animals. That frown at locked cages or the ones at least not behind secondary barriers that might have prevented this incident. As for the vigil for the tiger. What is about we British. there was a similar even after some horses were killed in the Hyde Park bombings. Millions sent get well cards to one injured horse yet completely ignored the soldiers that were injured and killed. Someone has got their priority's wrong. | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 8:49:47 AM | Death for a foolish mistake is indeed too high a price for fools, but at the same time the Tiger was a Tiger. She gracefully took revenge for her offended pride as any great cat would. She did not harm those who were not a threat to her. Yes she viewed the authorities as threats and so the greater tragedy occured and she lost her life. Still it reminds me of the eagle and the scorpian fable *although it has many variations. She acted to her nature and we condemn her for it, while ignoring our own failings.
That we allowed youth to believe they were superior to one of the great hunters. That we allowed them to believe that they were safe and could act with disrespect to someone/something greater then them without repercussion. That we choose to be cheaper rather then safer and did not extend the trench and heighten the wall, and so all got what they deserved save the Tiger who simply was who she was victim in begining and in ending to our pride. | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 9:16:47 AM | It's the 21st century - why isn't video surveillance mandatory in every zoo? Should an escape occur there will be footage to validate how & why.
When taking on the responsibility of caging an animal(or human - e.g. jail/prison) there are very few acceptable excuses for the deaths or escapes of either & human failure is unacceptable  | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 9:27:03 AM | | Out of all the rocks to be thrown, I havent seen one thrown at the tiger. That is as it should be. I see the zoo mainly at fault. People are not the smartest warm blooded being on the planet, and ill include myself in that. You can hang a WET PAINT sign and before long someone will stick a finger in it just to see. People put cookies on top of the fridge to keep them away from the kids, but the draino etc. is under the sink. All the people at the zoo were guests. It was up to the zoo to protect the guests and the animals. It is black and white. | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 9:29:41 AM |
I grew up in the SF Bay Area and this doesn't surprise me at all. The people up there do some things that just make me shake my head. Sad but true.
WOW, having a vigil for an endangered tiger is something to "shake" your head about-
the senseless death of this majectic creature shows man at his worse!
this vigil shows man at his best! | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 9:34:45 AM |
A vigil for a tiger that killed someone?
An animal has NO idea that it is doing wrong when it attacks someone. The tiger isn't the one to blame for the people who were killed, it's the fault of the zoo for not restraining it properly. An exotic animal had to die because some moron couldn't construct an adequate fence. | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 9:35:34 AM | when Yasir Arafat died a few years ago, the moonbats here in Boston had a vigil. I was livid and was part of a protest hosted by the Young Republicans and a number of Jewish leagues - THAT was a vigil that was worthy of head shaking - brutal, subhuman animal who murdered thousands and supported murderers. Tatiana was an animal whose time on this planet served us humans well - only we were too arrogant and too self absorbed to appreciate her.
Oh and the latest on the beefjerkey er um 'victims.'
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2008/01/03/MN9TU8AGC.DTL | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 9:36:55 AM | When parents/guardians, can learn to raise their children as so they do not act like wild animals themselves, then maybe, and only maybe will sad situations like this not occur again.
Here you had a pair of young adults- teasing, taunting a creature of the wild that can not be reasoned with.
Tigers, while they can appear to be tamed, well, as we all should realize , in the end are still wild animals that will attack, mame and kill with or without provication.
If this poor young man had used the brains that God had blessed him with, well maybe he would still be on this earth able to have had a long and happy life.
But no- they acted like punks, and instead of a bullet getting them by a gang, it was a different kind of get back alltogether..
There is sadness for the animal, the family's, the Zoo , and it it a lesson that unfortunately had to be learned the hard way..
God Bless..
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 9:37:49 AM |
Death for a foolish mistake is indeed too high a price for fools, but at the same time the Tiger was a Tiger. She gracefully took revenge for her offended pride as any great cat would. She did not harm those who were not a threat to her.
Totally agree. People seem to forget that animals are not stupid. A lot of animals do have pride and are easily antagonized.
If we, as in mankind, were not so insistent on killing magnificent beasts for their fur, so called "medicine", for a hunters trophy or just plain greed then there would be no need for tigers, orangutans, gibbons or pandas to be in zoos to be taking part of essential breeding programmes to keep these species (amongst many others) alive.
If we didn't think we were above everything and anything and didn't insist on wiping out breeds then there would be no need nowdays for zoos or rescue parks.
Although I of course feel for the families affected by this, something should be learned from this. It is about time that humans realised that we aren't superior to everything.
WOW, having a vigil for an endangered tiger is something to "shake" your head about-
the senseless death of this majectic creature shows man at his worse!
this vigil shows man at his best!
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 9:46:43 AM | If we didn't think we were above everything and anything and didn't insist on wiping out breeds then there would be no need nowdays for zoos or rescue parks.
Although I of course feel for the families affected by this, something should be learned from this. It is about time that humans realised that we aren't superior to everything.
-- wow Foxy....you have reaffirmed why I have always dug British women! | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 9:56:41 AM |
when Yasir Arafat died a few years ago, the moonbats here in Boston had a vigil. I was livid and was part of a protest hosted by the Young Republicans and a number of Jewish leagues - THAT was a vigil that was worthy of head shaking - brutal, subhuman animal who murdered thousands and supported murderers. Tatiana was an animal whose time on this planet served us humans well - only we were too arrogant and too self absorbed to appreciate her.
Oh and the latest on the beefjerkey er um 'victims.'
Waaaay off topic ,sportsfan.
Also....which "thousands" did Yasser Arafat "kill?"
Your point loses effect when you exaggerate.
I was (and am) disgusted by the outpouring of sympathy for a wild animal's death being held above that of another human being.
It's sad when people value the lives of other species before our own.
Should these guys (if they were) been teasing the animals?
No.
Should their friend have had his throat torn out?
Absolutely not.
I wonder how many sympathizers on here on would feel the same way if they went three hours east of SF and ran into a cougar in the Sierra foothills.
I'm the sure would appreciate all of your sympathy as it was jumping on your back trying to sever your spinal cord.
PETA members would probably say "I wonder what he/she did to enrage the cougar?"
Geez... | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 10:00:50 AM |
and that's your right to withhold judgement. I just have a gut feeling that with the vodka in the car, as confirmed by the SFPD and the as yet uncorroborated reports of slingshots - it sounds like a few morons decided to play a game with a 500 lb killing machine ..... and ended up losing in dramatic fashion. Its a lot like playing Russian Roulette....with an automatic pistol - obviously stupid.
If it is ever proven that they provoked this animal by throwing rocks or using slingshots etc, I would love to see these brothers be criminally held responsible for their buddies death and not get one dime. | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 10:03:34 AM | if its proven cocytus, as to the culpability of the 'victims' then yes, I do hold the tiger's life above theirs. any day. its like the homeowner, drunk and stupid, who beats his rottweillers every day - I feel no sympathy if said dogs maul him.
as to Arafat - at the risk of hijacking the thread with politics - his involvement and collusion with terrorist organizations aimed at eradicating Israel put him lower than Tatiana in my book.
and Im far from a PETA guy - I hunt, fish, shoot and have animals of my own. But what is lacking here clearly, is respect for wildlife. Tatiana was an excellent teacher it appears. | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 10:28:47 AM |
I was (and am) disgusted by the outpouring of sympathy for a wild animal's death being held above that of another human being.
It isnt just a "wild animal". It is a critically endangered wild animal. One that is literally teetering on extinction.
It's sad when people value the lives of other species before our own.
I wouldnt say that people are placing the life of another species over their own. I think people are exasperated that yet another member of a (sorry to repeat the phrase) CRITICALLY ENDANGERED SPECIES has been killed due to the sheer stupidity of members of the human race!!!!!!!!!
Should these guys (if they were) been teasing the animals?
No.
You are right, they should not have been doing this at all. I dont know about anyone else, but i know as i child i was taught to have respect for all animals, wild or otherwise. I was in awe of creatures such as tigers and lions, had admiration and respect for them. I was raised to respect species such as these. I would never contemplate taunting , what is clearly, a very dangerous breed capable of killing me in one fell swoop!
I wonder how many sympathizers on here on would feel the same way if they went three hours east of SF and ran into a cougar in the Sierra foothills.
I'm the sure would appreciate all of your sympathy as it was jumping on your back trying to sever your spinal cord.
If i were to be walking in an area where these animals roam freely, i would be asking for trouble if i wasnt protecting myself. Are there less than 50 cougars left on the planet?
Yet again, i am amazed by the "We are above all creatures" mentality in some posts.
Start giving magnificent animals the respect and protection they have earned and need before we lose them all forever. | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 11:30:20 AM | I'm not sure where the above poster got the number of Bengal Tigers at 50. But a quick google shows there are an estimated 4500-5000 in the wild.
Yet again, i am amazed by the "We are above all creatures" mentality in some posts.
It's called being the top of the food chain! We ARE superior to all other creatures. Now, this doesn't give us a right to decimate a species for no good reason. And it is sad this creature had to be put down.
But a human life is worth more than a tiger's. Without question. | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 11:41:28 AM |
It's called being the top of the food chain! We ARE superior to all other creatures. Now, this doesn't give us a right to decimate a species for no good reason. And it is sad this creature had to be put down
I agree.
It's called being an "apex predator."
That means no other animal normally predates upon human beings as we are the top of the food pyramid.
Tiger are in their environment.
I think a lot PETA supporters forget if our ancestors hadn't decided to move to the top of that pyramid,a lot of us wouldn't be here today.
Then,again,there'd be more tigers....
Habitat destruction kills far more tigers than there are being killed in incidents like this one.
I don't see people holding vigils to protest that. | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 11:47:20 AM | I'm not sure where the above poster got the number of Bengal Tigers at 50. But a quick google shows there are an estimated 4500-5000 in the wild.
I apologise as i did get my figure wrong. According to the original thread on this matter it was a siberian tiger, NOT a bengal tiger. There are approximately 350 of these left in the world.
It's called being the top of the food chain! We ARE superior to all other creatures.
We might be top of the food chain, that DOES NOT make us superior, just better equipped.
Now, this doesn't give us a right to decimate a species for no good reason.
I agree wholeheartedly.
And it is sad this creature had to be put down.
It is very sad. The creature, in my opinion, should have been heavily sedated and then possibly moved to a conservation park that would have been far better equipped to take care of a very dangerous wild animal instead on in a zoo. It would have had a better chance of being entered into a breeding programme where this breed can be encouraged to survive.
But a human life is worth more than a tiger's. Without question.
Not in all cases i believe.
I have a feeling nothing will be learned from this tragedy, no further respect for these animals will be gained. Families have lost their children due to their own stupidity. Another endangered species has lost a member due to the stupidity of a couple of humans.
I think a lot PETA supporters forget if our ancestors hadn't decided to move to the top of that pyramid,a lot of us wouldn't be here today.
Then,again,there'd be more tigers....
What is all this "peta supporters" nonsense? I am not a Peta supporter. I simply know that man has raped this earth and murdered its inhabitants for too long.
Does it really not bother anyone apart from me that one day our grandchildren will be looking in books and asking if we ever saw tigers? That very soon they will be wiped off this earth?
I find it tragic. | |
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