| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 12:21:10 PM | Hey op
"What the F U C K " you say???????????? A human being got killed in a viscious Tiger attack , and you're wondering why as if there is a problam with that??!??
I for one feel very sorry for the boys family and his loved ones, and I am saddened by what happened. My condolences to his family. It's unfortunate, but I do beleive it could have been prevented in some way!! | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 12:43:32 PM | There is a very simple way that this could have been prevented. Stop trying to keep wild animals in cages and pretend that they like it. That tiger didn't go wild, it just went tiger. It's what they do, they hunt and they kill to survive. Not to mention the fact that it had been tormented earlier in the day by possibly the same group of people it later attacked. So now not only is this poor kid dead who will forever be remembered as "that kid that got killed by the tiger" but the tiger is dead too for doing just what it was perfectly designed to do. | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 12:46:08 PM | msg 38^^
Sounds like the "morons" at the San fran Zoo did a darn good job of keeping the tigers at bay until those 3 immature men decided they wanted to sling some rocks at a wild animal who was taunted until he decided to take action of his own.
Those tigers are visited very year by hundreds of thousands of people, and I have never before now heard of an escape by one of them, (at least at that zoo).
Those 3 young men started this- and unfortunately, that beautiful tiger, whose one and only purpose in this world is to procreate it's own species , live, and out of it's own nature- kill, is paying for the stupidity, immaturity, and cruelty of those 3 teens..
And let's not forget the life of that poor man who died- I'm sure had he and his friends realized the consequences of their actions they wouldn't have dared walked that road.
msg41^^
There is really no need to sling insults at people, I am allowed my own opinion.
bah-bah-bah...........................
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 1:39:27 PM | I was sitting at our neighborhood pub a few weeks ago when the news reported a rape. Right away some idiot from the city blurted out that the woman must have asked for it because " you know how they dress and all of that". He got eaten alive, didnt even finish his beer, and left. There were women there in that pub, and we were all friends. He had no grounds to say what he did,he sounded like an idiot, and yes he had that right and so do you.
You may go now. | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 1:43:57 PM | I think a tiger attack.....I would hope YOU would think a tiger attack and a rape would be 2 different things! Every bit of evidence, anecdotal and now some reported, is suggesting the human beef jerkey provoked the attack and thusly, deserved to be treated as tigers treat attackers.
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 2:31:26 PM |
What is all this "peta supporters" nonsense? I am not a Peta supporter. I simply know that man has raped this earth and murdered its inhabitants for too long.
Does it really not bother anyone apart from me that one day our grandchildren will be looking in books and asking if we ever saw tigers? That very soon they will be wiped off this earth?
Sorry..a lot of the drivel on here sounded like PETA BS...
"Man has raped the Earth?"
WTF??
Princess..thanks to global warming,it's likely we'll follow the tiger on his out.
The the world will be "perfect" again..
I don't worry for my grandkids...I may not have any.... | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 2:43:23 PM | Sorry..a lot of the drivel on here sounded like PETA BS...
"Man has raped the Earth?"
WTF??
Princess..thanks to global warming,it's likely we'll follow the tiger on his out.
The the world will be "perfect" again..
I don't worry for my grandkids...I may not have any..
And who causes global warming??
Im not going to even answer that FOR you.
If i am likened to "PETA BS" then so be it. I like the fact i give a crap about animals and the environment. Trouble is, people call it "PETA BS" because they refuse to acknowledge the damage we are doing.
I prefer to be honest to sticking my head in the sand and blaming other things which we have also caused such as global warming. | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 4:26:37 PM | Why do you care if people have a vigil for a tiger? It was a wonderful animal, in horrible circumstances. It doesn't mean the vigilites feel nothing for the HUMAN, there are vigils for him as well.
For the record, zoos are what keep these animals extant now--their "native habitat" is dwindling to nothing so there are VERY few left in the wild. Don't misundertsand what zoos are: they're conservatories, preservers of rare animals like Bengal tigers, who happen to make their money to support this preservation by selling trickets to people to SEE those rare animals. Don't vilify the zoos. | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 4:42:16 PM | OP...I mis read your OP. I thought you had a problem with the person killed having a vigil, which would be totally understandable. I think the vigil should be for the victum.
So I am alittle confused about this. But I can understand people feeling bad for the animal, as I love animals myself. What I don't understand, is why some people actually are taking cheap shots at the victum? | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 5:32:48 PM | I've live here, in SF since 80 something..dont go to zoo's...cant stand 'captivity' since I had sickening visit at Eureka 'zoo' late 70's...
deplorable exhibit of a brown bear in his 10' by 4' wire cage of 25 years!!!! Made me SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All he did was walk up and down that thing...the boys with me said 'he cant even see the wire of his cage any more..' We were young, boys were gonna let him out...someone stopped um, said 'he wouldnt know what to do' I left, never to see a zoo again!!!!!!!!!!!
OT
San Francisco is dealing with the Todd family and Tatitanna in their usual fashion...divided...
remember the 'dog attack that killed woman'....... | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 8:42:26 PM | Spinner..You are wrong..they are numerous facts on this zoos mismanagement for the past 4 decades..do your research before posting wrong information that this zoo "has been around forever with few incidents"..this zoo had many,many "incidents with humans & animals..
And curious..how do you find humor..any kind of laughter at all about tormenting your cat as a joke..that makes me highly suspicious of you as an animal abuser masquerading as a crusader for humane treatment of animals..
Not so nice being judged is it..also occupational hazards as you stated is not what would apply to the facts I have read on this zoo going back 40 years..just do your research..  | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/3/2008 8:50:58 PM | | The whole incident concerning both the teen and the tiger is a tragic one. Yes, the tiger was just being a tiger, and perhaps the 17 year old was just being a silly, daring teen, never expecting his death. I feel sorry for all involved. | |
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Rhett1
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/4/2008 12:04:46 AM | The problem here is the negligence on the part of the zoo, in keeping the tiger in an inadequately fenced compound. Add to that the young men taunting the tiger...
Some were saying it was their own fault for taunting the animal, but the zoo should NEVER have allowed her to be behind a fence that was too short.
All in all, I don't see anything wrong with giving some remembrance for the tiger. Out of all involved (her, the zoo and the guys), she was the least to blame. She was doing what tiger's do. | |
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Rhett1
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/4/2008 12:09:33 AM |
I wonder how many sympathizers on here on would feel the same way if they went three hours east of SF and ran into a cougar in the Sierra foothills.
I'm the sure would appreciate all of your sympathy as it was jumping on your back trying to sever your spinal cord. We have cougars, wolves, bears (both black and grizzly), and moose here (and yes, moose DO attack humans). If I am out wandering in the forest, I am taking my own chances that I may run into one of these animals. That's the difference. Of course, I would also be as prepared as I could possibly be. But when you go to the zoo, you assume that the fences are adequate for each species. Also, if I was taunting a wild animal, I would deserve whatever I get.
I would be devastated to find out that the animal that attacked me had been killed. | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/4/2008 12:33:00 AM | People are taking cheap shots at the victim because the investigation is starting to prove that the tiger was provoked.
Yes, the zoo is at fault for not having the fences up to industry standards. We cannot ignore the fact that it appears these boys were drinking. Also, there were items in the tigers cage that did not belong there (sticks, pinecones, rocks etc) and that they were observed taunting the lions before they moved on to the tiger exhibit. A newspaper also reported they were found with slingshots. How can any animal be faulted for defending itself?
It is sad that these animals have to live in zoos as the wild is no longer safe for them and that they are facing extiction. So you tease a tiger and well, it responds like a tiger. No big surprise. | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/4/2008 2:44:03 AM | I believe the Vigil is for the Tiger - Yes....... and I see nothing wrong with it considering the information coming out. Everyone seems to be down on the cat and want it destroyed for attacking this teen, when the truth of the matter ( let alone that it is already known that a Tiger is a wild beast ) is that the teen-age boys in the group attacked were taunting and teasing the cats. In an atmosphere such as that zoo and considering the dangers involved, I would expect that the boys ( being human beings ) would have a little better common sense when they are out fooling around and doing stupid things. I am sorry that the teen was attacked.........but from what I have heard early in the investigation, it simply boils down to the fact that they asked for it.
I do not believe that the cat should be put down for that........... it went after an idiot as far as I am concerned. From what I observe on a routine basis, most kids these days seem to have no respect for anything.
If it takes a Vigil to save the life of the true victim here........so be it.......... Even if it is a tiger.
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/4/2008 3:36:16 AM | The latest news on this matter comes from a witness to four guys taunting the tigers. The witness' statements have yet to be corroborated. Perhaps that will come in time. It's unfortunate that a young man lost his life for his, or possibly his friends', foolishness. As a kid, I was taught that there are some things you just don't do, i.e. you mess with the bull, you get the horns. These idiots appear to have taunted a tiger, one got killed, and two more got mauled some.
Funny thing, but, the family of the kid who died suddenly has a lawyer speaking for them, slinging all manner of allegations at the zoo. If it weren't for zoos, we wouldn't have a lot of the animals on earth that we do today. Many species have been brought back from the brink of extinction because of zoos.
How many people visited the San Francisco zoo before this incident? None of them have come forward saying there was any kind of problem with the tiger enclosure, regardless of what precautions were taken to prevent an escape. | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/4/2008 5:33:40 AM | Lostcauz..what is ignorant is posting only part of a report or quote and running with it..the actual "eye witness" to this stated she saw a group of 4 men and that the oldest of the group was roaring at tatiana..BUT..but but here.Carlos sousa Jr. was NOT one of them doing that..
Now..concerning your question about the zoo..There WERE reports of a problem with the tiger enclosure..in FACT the "exhibit" had just re-opened Sept. 7 after being closed from public viewing for 9 months previous after the 2006 attack on the zoo handler feeding tatiana..
Also..yes they hired an attorney..who wouldn't with any active brain cells working..not really any worse than the zoo hiring a new public relations speaker for the zoo..
This zoo has some bad bad things been going on for many decades and still people say..its not any of their doing..that is ignorance...If you really want to make a difference for animals like this tiger..stop jumping on the bad wagon..get active and make sure the people running these zoos are doing the right thing..even when no one is looking ..you think.. | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/4/2008 7:29:11 AM | ^^^^^^ msg 54^^^^^^^
A tiger that use his natural instincts to kill--CANNOT be compared to a moronic person who may decide to rape a women based on how she dresses, with that being said, I'm glad that your friend got run out of the bar.
I feel bad for you that you can't handle other people's views on things without calling them sheep and in a roundabout way calling people idiot's.
Your "dismissal" was uncalled for as well, what do you think people don't see past the smugness of your words?
Here is to a nicer "you" for the New Year, God Bless!!
JJ
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/4/2008 8:41:50 AM | Spinner..You are wrong..they are numerous facts on this zoos mismanagement for the past 4 decades..do your research before posting wrong information that this zoo "has been around forever with few incidents"..this zoo had many,many "incidents with humans & animals..
- I did the research, the incidents that occured involved mostly animal trainers getting hurt during feedings. Occupational hazard that for the most part was remedied by better procedures. As to the wall, could it have been higher? certainly! but lets not negate or deny that if provoked, the big cat was doing what she thought was right.
And curious..how do you find humor..any kind of laughter at all about tormenting your cat as a joke..that makes me highly suspicious of you as an animal abuser masquerading as a crusader for humane treatment of animals..
- OH. MY. GOD. lighten up, lady. the most I do to torment my cat is to have him chase a laser pointer into the wall occasionally or cat-boxing...and before you take THAT out of context, no I don't hit the cat. Jesus. | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/4/2008 1:43:43 PM | Spinner.... your still wrong & uninformed ..NO the incidents I am speaking of there is NO way you did your research..& it shows..you flat out either are just yanking chains here..ignorant of your research results & failure to form comprehensive summaries..or just lying....
I notice you called God & Jesus name..just pray he doesn't judge you as harsh as your doing on Carlos Sousa Jr..and the brothers..
I expected better really from you than just this lazy post of yours..your sn aptly portrays your personality..spin words like a top but the fact remains..you only post to get a reaction..just don't push to hard with the misinformation for those that truly are wanting to make sure this never happens again..or just want to help better conditions for the zoos animals..
So...just one example of YOUR ignornace on your so called research..In 2005 because of numerous operational & maintenance problems the zoo failed to have its accreditation renewed in 2005..it took over a year later before the zoo had fixed those problems and were able to get back full accreditation..
2 Elephants died in this same zoo 3 years ago and the remaining Elephants were put in a sanctuary..
A lawsuit by zookeeper Lori Komejan who was attacked in Dec. 2006 by the same tiger
accuses the city of SF (which owns the zoo property) of housing the tigers with reckless disregard for the safety of animal handlers & members of the general public..remember this one preceded this incident with Carlos..maybe authorities should have put more stock in what she told them..instead of writing her off to save the zoo money..
So..maybe you should do your research again..I have pages & pages that go back to the beginning of this zoo..that information came from my local library off microfilm..not the google cases shown above....occupational hazard still apply to those?..not ..now go & don't come back until your a big boy with some grown up advice and facts...appreciate being called a lady though..or better yet..post YOUR research results..just a few..more than one please....if you do that..I will then allow you to see what I have ..trade out?..remember though..not opinions..factual information pls.
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dmotz
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/4/2008 3:17:08 PM | Lostcauz..what is ignorant is posting only part of a report or quote and running with it..the actual "eye witness" to this stated she saw a group of 4 men and that the oldest of the group was roaring at tatiana..BUT..but but here.Carlos sousa Jr. was NOT one of them doing that..
My apology, if my summation of the latest news I'd read on the tiger attack was misleading, it was inadvertent. As my prior post stated, the witness' statement has yet to be corroborated. Obviously, I wasn't there, and I'm not making any judgments, as to who did what, or when what happened, when these guys were attacked. My point is that I am unaware of any problems involving tigers, involving spectators, prior to this incident.
The only incident that has been in the news involved a handler having been attacked by this particular tiger. A handler working at the zoo, getting attacked by a dangerous animal begs the question as to what happened. Did this handler violate established procedures? Was there some kind of equipment malfunction? Thus far, I haven't been able to find out any specific information about this prior incident.
Having some experience with how the law works, in particular, in California, I find it rather interesting that the attorney for the parents of the young man killed has come out making allegations of people begging for assistance for more than 30 minutes, with no one from the zoo doing anything. Doing things like that is purely posturing for the Wrongful Death lawsuit that has yet to be filed. These parents may well be traumatized, that should go without having been said; they lost a child. However, hiring an attorney, mere days after such a traumatic event, speaks of someone who smells money, just as a shark smells blood in the water. If ever there were a slam dunk winner of a lawsuit, this is likely it.
Harsh, yes. True, almost certainly; based upon my personal experience from having worked on such matters, in California. Forgive me, if I take a dim view of people profiting from the death of another.
I'm curious to see whether any criminal charges are in the offing for the alleged friends of the man who was killed. It was thier actions that precipitated the entire event.
There are still a multitude of questions yet to be answered. Unfortunately, the vast majority of us get our information from what few news sources are available; all of them putting their own spin on the facts as they see them.
Like yourself CottonBlossom, I do not live in California, let alone San Francisco. Thus, I am hardly in a position to make any measurable difference, if any at all, where the San Francisco Zoo is concerned. | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/4/2008 3:19:01 PM | The cat went with a bang. A true American tiger (yes, it became American) unlike the cowards that were harassing it because it was deep inside and unable to defend itself.
Somehow, it was determined to get them and indeed deserves a vigil. | |
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