| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/4/2008 4:59:26 PM | | Lostcause- Ive got a WHAT IF for ya. What if the parents were aproached by the lawer after the case hit the funny papers? Can you imagine that actualy happening? Ya mean a lawyer would actualy try to profit from some one elses grief? | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/5/2008 5:26:30 AM | | Why sure we hug our trees..What's wrong with that in some parts of Utah they hump their trees...There's nothing wrong with greiving for the tiger it seems it was only trying to defend itself.. | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/5/2008 7:23:41 AM | The whole point ...A HUMAN BEING IS DEAD..feel for him and his family...hold a vigil for them...pray for them...
Having a vigil and boobing over the tiger is stupid. IT IS AN ANIMAL with killer instincts...no matter where it was..it is in it's nature to kill...it did. This is not the first attack by your sacred kitty...ask the zoo keeper how his arm is.. | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/5/2008 8:58:25 AM | Sorry gang, gotta applaud the actions of the tiger here. The tiger was doing what a tiger normally does, and liquored up, stupid human beings were doing what liquored up, stupid human beings normally do. They played with fire and they got burned! Defective genetic material removed from gene pool. Score one for Darwin!
Then, these 2 MENSA brothers hire Mark Geragos, a slimy DEFENSE attorney to represent them? Why do they need to be defended? I thought THEY were the ones wronged here? What do they need to be defended from..........their incredibly stupid behavior? The fact that they decided that they would like to have a "predator-prey" type relationship with a wild animal? Gee, maybe it was part of a Biology experiment? Maybe they had high aspirations of becoming Animal Behaviorist? Maybe they saw an episode of "Mutual of Omahas Wild Kingdom". Would you not hire a Personal Injury attorney for this particular situation?????
If I were the zoo, I would be hiring an attorney to recover the fair market value of the tiger that they were responsible for having shot and killed at the hands of San Francisco's finest! | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/5/2008 10:04:26 AM |
The whole point ...A HUMAN BEING IS DEAD..feel for him and his family...hold a vigil for them...pray for them...
I DO feel for his family.
I certainly do not feel for the idiots that caused this, their friend is dead due to their stupidity, for having no respect for a wild animal. For taunting it, seemingly throwing things at it whilst possibly under the influence of booze.
Having a vigil and boobing over the tiger is stupid. IT IS AN ANIMAL with killer instincts...no matter where it was..it is in it's nature to kill...it did.
So why is it stupid then???
To mourn the death of a an animal that happens to be one of a critically endangered species is not stupid. It is sad that, as you have said, it used its killer instincts to protect itself and its home. (NO I AM NOT SAYING THAT THE LADS WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO KILL THE TIGER ETC.... IT WAS DOING WHAT MOTHER NATURE INSTILLED IN IT TO DO - TO REACT TO THE ATTACK)
I feel for the parents of that dead lad, i really do. I cant even get close to imagining what they must be going through.
BUT something should be learned by this. People should educate their kids better regarding animals. Teach them not to taunt and tease animals, teach them to respect them.
Maybe then we wont have people throwing things and taunting beasts when they supposedly "grow up". | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/5/2008 11:25:36 AM |
The whole point ...A HUMAN BEING IS DEAD..feel for him and his family...hold a vigil for them...pray for them..
and they wouldn't be dead if they didn't mess with the kitty.
The whole point ...A HUMAN BEING IS DEAD..feel for him and his family...hold a vigil for them...pray for them..
why? if some idiot gets himself killed because of his own blunder, why should i even shed a tear?
Having a vigil and boobing over the tiger is stupid. IT IS AN ANIMAL
boo-hooing over some booze hound who gets himself killed is stupid. besides humans are animals, too.
ask the zoo keeper how his arm is
thats part of the job. its to be expected. I feel bad for the zoo keeper, but i blame the drunks for bothering the cat. i mean if they didnt torment the tiger, they would be alive.
I find it interesting how people are defending these drunk idiots. next thing you know, they will be saying they were heros. | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/5/2008 3:24:22 PM | Born2Late : Soliciting a client, last I knew anyway, is against the Rules of Professional Responsibility. Besides, who would want such a case? Because the matter involves a Government Entity, the zoo property is owned by the City of San Francisco, and will certainly be named in the lawsuit that is yet to be filed, whoever the lawyer is that these people hired is going to have a mountain of paperwork to contend with.
If I were working in the office of the attorney these people hired, I'd quit, immediately upon finding out he/she had taken the case. Litigation of that kind goes on forever, and it's a fight, every tiny step of the way.
There are much easier cases to handle, and they're much more lucrative. | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/5/2008 4:37:40 PM | | Too bad about the people should have left the tiger alone if a dumb ass chooses to mess with a tiger don't be surprised if they should get eaten...Call me what you will from a couple thousand miles away through a screen you big tough brutes I grieve for the tiger..:crying Have a nice day and take a valium.. | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/5/2008 5:23:09 PM | | Maybe not the appropriate "Christian" response, but I have zero sympathy for the 3 clowns. What kind of person gets off on tormenting another person or animal that they're sure can't fight back? Be like me visiting Mike Tyson in prison, standing back from the cell and spitting at him and calling him a putz. If he managed to get an arm through the bars and ripped my throat out, who could blame him? If it turns out the dead guy didn't torment the tiger in any way I'll be the first to apologize on this forum. Until then, even though she's dead, after a life in captivity, the tiger's finally free. | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/6/2008 5:06:40 AM |
Hey man, did you hear about the Tiger that escaped from the SAN FRANCISCO zoo on Xmas and killed that 17 year old kid? Then the cops shot the tiger, not tranq, they shot him dead, so that brings the total world population of Siberian tigers to what, 40? and how many 17 year old kids ? Is this what we're going to be doing when Jesus comes back?
Ok, now that was just funny.  | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/6/2008 5:22:47 AM | Here's the upswing: For every member of PETA at that vigil, there are two extra hamburgers for each of us. Maybe even a couple steaks. Would you pass the A1 please?
I do love animals, but... | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/6/2008 5:40:39 AM | Byrd: You're not too awful far from San Francisco. Very little has been said about this whole incident in the last week or so. Is there any new information coming out about all of this in the local news there?
I ask so that maybe those of us not local to the area can try to keep up on what's been found out, and speak intelligently on the matter. | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/6/2008 6:39:14 AM | Cotton -
If you continue on the judgements of my character, then Im afraid I may have to resort to mudslinging - so in the interests of keeping the forums civil and clean, relax, have some dip and lay off.
I DID say there were incidents involving animal handlers - that I feel is individual negligence vs negligence on the part of the zoo. as to the dead elephants, animals die in captivity.
and carlos....*sniff* poor carlos. I want a looksee into HIS past. I want to know HIS criminal history. Methinks we'll have a better picture of him and his cohorts if we look at his background. Judge? that's what we do in society and as to someone judging me - Im already screwed as Im an atheist and all.
My statement stands - in spite of your findings - if indeed they provoked Tatiana, the only victim here is Tatiana. | |
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| Speaking Intelligently on the Matter of the SF Zoo Killing
Posted: 1/6/2008 6:46:47 AM | Lostcauz: I'm sure you know this, but for all of the latest info required to speak intelligibly on the SF Zoo matter, just do a Google search on the phrase, "Latest news on killing at SF Zoo."
With all due respect, I ask that you time how long it takes to do that search so that you may respond intelligently on the matter. Write that time down.
Now, do a search on how many children die of hunger, women and CHILDREN are raped, people die due to protracted social conflict, someone dies of cancer, etc. -- in that SAME amount of time.
We can't fix the whole world, but we can fix something. We must choose our battles carefully, as time and resources are not unlimited.
I just can't help but think how many of my students who are being abused and neglected, or can't afford lunch or proper dental/health care, could be helped if those SAME people banning together on behalf of that TIGER -- Put the same amount of thought, consideration, and energy into a suffering child.
I could be wrong, and forgive me if I did not speak intelligently. I'm only an English teacher. | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/6/2008 11:04:05 AM | Spinner..takes better than you or the net to provoke me into slinging anything sweetie ....your ignorant..repeating your misinformation over & over..you are making this personal..not about Carlos or Tatiana..and you ARE misleading good intentions of other people..just wrong on your part...some humans really DO love & want to help..
Religion or the lack of religion does not pertain to what we were debating thank you..I believe in my God & your beliefs are yours..so please refrain from bringing that issue into an already emotional thread ok..thanks
Carlos Sousa did not tease Tatiana..and I do believe (belief,not FACT)..that the 2 brothers are responsible along with the Denver Zoo & the SF Zoo..the 2 innocents killed in this avoidable tragedy were innocent..Carlos stood his ground..he did NOT run like the 2 cowards that know the truth of that evening..he did what he had too & his past has no bearing on that evening..and to clarify..I am happy the brothers lived..they fought for THEIR lives & I value human life more than I do an animals..
I would like to know your past..you are disturbed in what you do to your own animal & people like you that spout their ignorance & disrespect the dead I do pity..not hate..pity okay..apparently you have never known love or want anyone else to experience it to continue degrading the dead and attacking me in your own slick way JUST to have the last word..I give you the last word & refuse to react to any post in the future of yours..
You know nothing but what you read of current so called "news"....expand your search..I am sure you & many others that keep saying Tatiana should have not been there don't even realize she was BORN in captivity..she was NEVER wild..the Zoo was HER sanctuary & home..hold the ZOO responsible..and for her to be turned out in the wild because of humans wants would have killed her a long time ago..hunters you know..the prize of her teeth,skin..even whiskers..she would have been hunted down.. one of the reasons why they are near extinction now..
The SF Zoo needs an outside investigation..Tatiana was brought to them on Dec.16th of 2005..the 2 years she spent at the SF zoo was one incident after another..and thats just concerning this one tiger & attack..not the past as I have stated for others to LEARN the mismanagement & maintenance of this zoo..they failed in their responsibility from the get go to her & the public viewing her..apparently common sense is not your forte to hold them AND the brothers responsible for their individual actions that preceded & led to the conclusion of this tragedy.
One more thing..to rebut your blase comment about that elephants die in captivity..then please tell the truth why the remaining elephants were moved to the Sanctuary..You know nothing but hate and sitting like the coward YOU are behind your screen to continue laughing about death..you have NO honor..now there is my judgement call on your so called character..
For you to let your ignorance stand,carry on..I am through with you..your nothing but a distraction for those that need to learn how to actually help captive animals that are overlooked when no one is looking....for those that care & can have some postive influence I wish them well & pray for a better future for the remaining animals in captivity..I also pray for Carlos who will finally be laid to rest..I respect his honor & attempt to distract Tatiana from her continued mauling of his friend..they left him..
Oh..and for those still interested in this..I do wonder about the pictures the brothers took on their cell phones during the attack which the police now have in possession but cannot at this time access without their permission..sooo..that is why I do not support them..if my friend had died like that.. I would be cooperating..you know..Pictures CAN speak a thousand words..
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| Speaking Intelligently on the Matter of the SF Zoo Killing
Posted: 1/6/2008 11:43:06 AM | You're right, I was aware that there are sources that purport to have the latest information on what happened at the SF Zoo, when Mr. Sousa lost his life. However, local news, and newspapers, have much better sources, than national news outlets. Local news outlets, for the most part, carry stories longer, than do national news outlets. Last, and certainly not least, is what the local people in the area are saying, and what they've heard. If you want to know what's going on in the neighborhood, you talk to the paper boy, not the Editor of the newspaper.
I didn't write any times down, as to how long it took me to do searches for information, nor will I. My time is no longer billed to a client, therefore, it is my own to do with as I see fit.
You're right, we can't fix all of the world's ills; any attempt to do so would be a futile effort, at best.
It could well be argued that people gathering for any kind of event, be it a vigil for a tiger, fund raising for the local pregnancy crisis center, rape prevention training, etc., etc., . . ., neglects some other crisis that is important to someone else. As you have said, "[w]e must choose our battles carefully, as time and resources are not unlimited."
I haven't taken a stand on either side of the issues involving what happened at the SF Zoo, as of yet. However, the latest information I've been able to find, appears only to helped substantiate what others have speculated happened on that fateful day. This only leads more, yet unanswered, questions.
With everyone lawyering up, and their respective lawyers posturing for what the future likely holds, any future information will have the respective lawyer's spin on it. The latest I've been able to find out is that the two brothers attacked on the same day Mr. Sousa lost his life, formed a pact not to tell Police what "they" did prior to the attack. Their Defense attorney has not been cooperative in allowing the Police to examine the car these young men arrived at the SF Zoo in, or in permitting the Police to examine their respective cell phones; all of which MAY contain valuable evidence in determining what happened on that fateful day.
Everyone's lawyered up now. Mr. Sousa's parents are like sharks that smell blood in the water. The other two guys who were hurt that day, are hiding behind their defense attorney, and refusing to cooperate with the Police. It could well be argued that all of these individuals are fully entitled to hire attorneys to do their talking for them. The point is, a reasonable person would not incur the exhorbitant cost of an attorney without some reason to do so.
How many children went hungry during this process? I have no idea. I do what I can, when I can afford it. A parasite can feast upon the host only so long, before the host dies. | |
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| Speaking Intelligently on the Matter of the SF Zoo Killing
Posted: 1/6/2008 12:23:12 PM | | One thing that I'm staying tuned for is the toxicology reports on Mr. Sousa. They are probably another couple weeks away, but this would shed intense light on how much sympathy we ought to be giving him. If alcohol and/or drugs are found in his system, and I would be willing to bet a small sum of money they will, all the more proof that these 3 gentlemen are responsible for this entire incident and criminal charges brought against the brothers. | |
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| Speaking Intelligently on the Matter of the SF Zoo Killing
Posted: 1/6/2008 1:12:39 PM | hacksalot03..When toxicology reports show the allegations being leveled against Carlos Sousa are released IF it proves Carlos Sousa was drinking..how does that become a FACT that he teased Tatiana?..because he was a young man that drank that day??
Now I understand some of the women we treat for domestic violence saying they would rather be judged by 12 instead of carried by 6..after they kill...went from Innocent until proven guilty to Guilty until proven innocent these times..
Drinking impairs judgement sure but to level a accusation that they are responsible for the ENTIRE incident just because he may have drank with his friends that day is just not getting it..that becomes a personal viewpoint of us all on that matter..still does not prove anything except he was drinking..
I pray I never am around irresponsible people after having a glass of wine & have my throat ripped open by an escaped tiger..and have people say..oh she deserved it..she was drinking....this word "taunting" has become overused..like the weapons of mass destruction phrase that was repeated like a mantra by people..
You also said "all the more proof" shows all 3 responsible?..What "proof" exists at this point they did anything to the tiger?..I haven't read any Proof/Fact on this..your already biased and most likely would be removed as a potential juror..lol
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| Speaking Intelligently on the Matter of the SF Zoo Killing
Posted: 1/6/2008 1:26:38 PM | "hacksalot03..When toxicology reports show the allegations being leveled against Carlos Sousa are released IF it proves Carlos Sousa was drinking..how does that become a FACT that he teased Tatiana?..because he was a young man that drank that day??"
Cottonblossom,
No, one does not explicitly imply the other. However, when people hit the corn squeezing's a little too hard, then they tend to do things they would not otherwise do. They are not with all their faculties. Otherwise, they're be no point in running toxicology studies on dead people, requiring drug screens on prospective employees or when accidents happen, and why we have laws against drinking and driving and public intoxication. This would give more credibility to the argument that they were doing something that was not very smart, namely, teasing the tiger. Otherwise, why would it be reported that an empty vodka bottle was found in the car they went to the zoo in? | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/6/2008 1:32:59 PM | he whole point ...A HUMAN BEING IS DEAD..feel for him and his family...hold a vigil for them...pray for them...
Having a vigil and boobing over the tiger is stupid. IT IS AN ANIMAL with killer instincts...no matter where it was..it is in it's nature to kill...it did. This is not the first attack by your sacred kitty...ask the zoo keeper how his arm is..
as has been pointed out lad, if the teens were taunting the tiger, THEIR being dead and injured is simply moral justice. they made the choice. tatiana had every right to do what she did. as someone else pointed out, there's a lot more 17 year olds. | |
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| Vigil for...tiger at SF ZOO that killed a man.WTF?
Posted: 1/6/2008 1:36:25 PM | I really don't see anything strange about it. It was a life was it not?
This poor animal felt threatened and all she did was what her instincts told her to do, for that she was killed. I really wish people would stop seeing animals as a lesser life-form. I hold the value of their lives at the same level as I hold that of any other human-being. Tatiana (I think that was her name) Died because some jackasses thought it would be fun to pelt an animal with rocks. The way I see it it's cleansing the gene pool. If the guy was stupid enough to throw rocks at an animal who could tear him limb from limb it was his fault. BEFORE you argue about the wall....ok, maybe it could have been higher but the tiger had been fine in there before. I'm really beginning to loose faith in the human race...we truly are going to bring about the world's ending...if not the ending of our own race. | |
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