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Posted: 1/11/2008 8:27:45 AM |
I think it means what it means. A good place to look within might be what you posted in my thread thus answering the dilemma your own angst poser.
I've read that sentence four times, and I still can't figure out what you're saying. Can you redo it in Grade 10 or better English? Thanks. :-) | |
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Posted: 1/11/2008 1:25:49 PM |
Peace..
Does that include "CFWB" cracks? Or do you just mean "peace" from others?
Hey was just goofing around - it this was offensive to you I certainly apologise for the "wise cracks".. | |
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Posted: 11/20/2008 2:18:18 PM | Oh come on you never got it WHY Joseph(Jesus's stepfather) was going to put Mary his wife away!
It sure helps if you read the scriptures or rather read the assignment before you take the test of life! | |
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Posted: 2/27/2009 11:37:26 AM | If a woman does not respect her body, then she does not respect herself.
I would MUCH rather be with a woman who has "held out" for me than one who slept with tons of strange men.
No one likes leftovers.
A beautiful woman can sleep with anyone who she wants. That is a given. But if she is "pure" and only has sex with men she loves, that is a woman worth walking through fire for.
Just my opinion
I won't even give a "tramp" the time of day.. | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 2/27/2009 8:31:18 PM | Interesting thing is Christ never spoke of sexual things. And in Judaism purity laws had more to do with keeping the community separate from others. Then there are the Seven Laws of Noah that some Jews believe non Jews should adhere to (listed below).
~Prohibition of Idolatry: You shall not have any idols before God.
~Prohibition of Murder: You shall not murder.
~Prohibition of Theft: You shall not steal.
~Prohibition of Sexual Promiscuity: You shall not commit any of a series of sexual prohibitions, which include adultery, incest, bestiality and male homosexual intercourse.
~Prohibition of Blasphemy: You shall not blaspheme God's name.
~Dietary Law: Do not eat flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive. (Genesis 9:4)
~Requirement to have just Laws: You shall set up an effective judiciary to enforce the preceding six laws fairly.
Have always been interested in how lesbian sex is never mentioned in either the Jewish or Christian texts, from what I have read. Why?
If there are more females than men, does this mean some women are supposed to go without sex, if sex outside marriage is not allowed?
What about the idea that sexual pleasure is a natural human need? | |
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Posted: 2/28/2009 9:04:09 AM | "quote ] It is all a matter of interpretation. And, I suppose, what particular faith you belong to. In my church, all the good or bad deeds you do don't make a bit of difference if you have faith. IMO, that's all that should matter.
- Very interesting. Let's all become thiefs then and rob all the banks.
But..............
Jesus is there to save us. | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 6/4/2009 2:15:46 PM | If you have read or seen any of the current movies about Jesus's birth, WHY do you think Joseph was considering putting Mary away or others were considering having her stoned to death?
Even the corrupt King Henry VIII in the latest movie, THE OTHER BOLEYN GIRL was asking Ann's sister Mary about the virginity of Ann Boleyn!
Do you think the influence from the Roman Catholic Church from the cannonized scriptures had any bearing upon Henry's motives?
All one has to do to know a little about the Bible is go to www.biblegateway.com, put in some search words and the translation that you'd like to investigate and do a little digging around.
This celibacy til the wedding is rooteninized both in the Jewish documents and Christianity so deep that it makes one appear a fool not to understand that it was and is the Godly way from long time honored tradition! | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 6/4/2009 9:20:29 PM |
All one has to do to know a little about the Bible is go to www.biblegateway.com, put in some search words and the translation that you'd like to investigate and do a little digging around.
This celibacy til the wedding is rooteninized both in the Jewish documents and Christianity so deep that it makes one appear a fool not to understand that it was and is the Godly way from long time honored tradition! .
Personally, I prefer to study the Greek text, and compare the words with contemporaneous literature from the Greek masters. If you do this, you won't likely find much in there that resembles the hollywood movie Christianity of today.
The Revelation of St. John the divine portrays the acts of the early Christians in Corinth, then known as Nicolaitans. They were true followers of now buried Gospel accounts of Jesus. Meanwhile, the Catholic Church decided to help bury those Gospels with the canonization of St. John's book which rebuked the Nicolaitans for their practice of "sexual license." Unless you were actually there, I would say "The jury is still out" and perhaps you should do as Jesus asked, and question "His father" on the matter. | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 6/5/2009 11:11:13 AM |
Fornication is any sex outside marriage. Including adultery.
Pornea is a espression in the greek language, and refers to a purchase.
It is the word which was translated into "fornication" in the King James Bible.
Independent (non-biblical) Greek writings of the time period use it commonly when referring to non-sexual purchases. It is hard to fathom how such a ridiculous meaning is now attributed to such a word. If it means anything about sex, I would think it refers to "sexual slavery." | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 6/5/2009 12:16:12 PM | We have more than Biblical Greek! We have traditions of the early church, and verses about Jezebel, and she is named not by her real name, for her privacy, but from an old testament character, of a similar but more pronounced sexual immorality.
Old traditions in Jesus day and from his ancestry held fornication as a cruelty. Such as in Ruth 2:20, and 3:10, KJV. Since here Naomi is kind or loyal to her family. Whereas other young women look for young men and don't wait for the older man. Ruth source of Jesus' and his listeners own tradition.
Archaeologists say and I think it true, that Joseph was about 30 when he married Mary at 16.
It also is logical that the uncleanness of murder is most unclean, most bloody and harmful, not strictly, then is adultery, then is fornication, which is like adultery. Then it is not a sinful purchase. Following this is stealing, then slander, then blasphemy, then lies.
Fornicate is a Latin derived word. It was a room where women sold themselves. And the Vulgate is an important tradition. The written word and oral traditions. The latter a very tricky matter and point of dispute between Evangelical and Catholic. But not the meaning of fornicate, as far as I heard over the last twenty years. | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 6/5/2009 1:01:49 PM | We have more than Biblical Greek! We have traditions of the early church, and verses about Jezebel, and she is named not by her real name, for her privacy, but from an old testament character, of a similar but more pronounced sexual immorality.
You have the traditions of a Church which routinely burned people at the stake for not folloing their views. Wonderful!
You have old testament verse to support the belief? New Wine, old skins ring any bells for ya?
Fornicate is a Latin derived word.
It comes directy from the word Pornea. Notice the similarity in spelling.
far as I heard over the last twenty years.
I think should go back about 2000 years, if I remember correctly. You are only off by 2 millenia on your lexicon. | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 6/5/2009 6:03:16 PM | I don't study the Old testament. I trust that the flour of the old was leavened before Jesus even read it. The problem is that the leaven has seeped into the new, and the feast of text is leavened throughout.
I don't have to worry about any languages older and more dead than Ancient Greek. And that language is long dead.
Jesus read the septuagint in Greek; spoke Aramaic, and never wrote a book. He spoke of the words of the book as a field of wheat with tares in it. He said that at the harvest, the tares would be burned, and the wheat gathered. The harvest is your perception. If you perceive the tastiness of the wheat; by all means, eat. | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 6/7/2009 3:09:29 PM |
Anyone that DOES NOT understand that within the Bible that premarital sex is wrong is only exposing their Biblical illiteracy; and that ignorance is so pervasive in this nation it seems!
Is it still premarital sex, if you aren't going to get married????
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Posted: 6/8/2009 12:31:31 AM | I am Evangelical, and Catholics and Evangelicals alike have the traditions of the early church as distinct from the Roman Catholic medieval church and Spanish inquisition.
Early church tradition compares with the Bible for relevance.
Here is a quote from Webster's dictionary.
Moses law commanded that in his given situation that the young fornicators get married, that the young man must pay the father a certain sum. That he can refuse to give her away. | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 6/8/2009 12:45:38 AM | I cannot see the quote in my laptop so here is is again.
"fornicate [L fornicor, fornicatus, <fornix, a vault, a brothel, brothels in Rome being generally in vaults or cellars.] To commit fornication."
And Jesus refers to tares and wheat meaning people not Bibles.
And there is sense to the list of unlean things in Matthew 15.
"fornicate [L. fornicor, fornicatus <fornix, a vault, a brothel, brothels in Rome being generally in vaults or cellars.] To commit fornication." | |
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Posted: 6/8/2009 2:24:14 AM | I am Evangelical, and Catholics and Evangelicals alike have the traditions of the early church as distinct from the Roman Catholic medieval church and Spanish inquisition.
Michael Servetus was burned at the stake in which year? by whom?
And what ever happened to the marvelous writings of Marcion, and Bishop Marcion himself?
Here is a quote from Webster's dictionary.
Moses law commanded that in his given situation that the young fornicators get married, that the young man must pay the father a certain sum. That he can refuse to give her away.
Can you quote the same verse from the Bible, or was Webster the religious authority you assert?
And Jesus refers to tares and wheat meaning people not Bibles.
Ok, so who are you calling a weed? I would say more, but I suppose genetics has been kind enough to your family to be a least a lettuce variety. Was Jesus supporting "evolution" or "natural slection' when he said that some people were like weeds?
Matthew 13:36- 43 ends with "he who hath ears to hear" Which is the classic indication that Jesus was speaking in metaphor. In other words "the children of the wicked" are the quotes of people who corrupt the word and become judgemental without understanding the metaphors, and only rely on the literals. Sure. 13:36 is literal if you want it that way. We burn, and you go to heaven. In metaphor we learn, and you suffer in ignorance.
BTW, if you are wrong and the metaphor becomes literal as is commonly know as "allegory", you burn later, and suffer in ignorance now.
"fornicate [L fornicor, fornicatus,
I take it you have never seen F's that look like P's in early English. Pornea. Fornea. | |
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Posted: 6/9/2009 3:20:30 AM | Sorry technical error. The Websters quote was not the Bible verses mentioned.
In quotes "fornicate"... is from Webster's Dictionary.
It is a matter of confidence, faith, the faithful, who tend to obey are god's sons, but the others as in verses 37 onwards are disobedient, harmful to others. Unloving.
Condemnation now for you and I does not come from god. Confidence sustains or justifies itself in you if you are confident in god's mercy, grace and salvation. You won't know. Asking for love and grace can change you, if you are confident and that is not a logical thing, tested and ascertained, not an "if"...
Our choices after god's.
In Australia we tease people by calling them "weed", or "tool"...
Jesus was talking about people whose characters, whose natures were not of god, but of the father of sin, and those of the father of light and love.
Sonship is determined by character.
Who is your father, where will you go when you die, do you accept grace,? Jesus worked salvation. We need to make the right choices.
Exo 22:16 And if a man lures a virgin who is not promised, and lies with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife.
Exo 22:17 If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins.
The above quote is from Moses law as 2hi-iq-4u requested. MKJV. | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 6/9/2009 9:29:20 AM | Exo 22:16 And if a man lures a virgin who is not promised, and lies with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife.
Exo 22:17 If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins.
So I will take your quote, and say that not only is pre-marital sex in the bible, but if she is a virgin, then specific legal requirements are noted. In other words, if the legal conditions are met: Pre-marital sex is "ALLOWED"
It is bad news for Muslims. When they get to heaven, they have to pay 72 dowrys. | |
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Posted: 6/9/2009 10:25:48 AM | Jesus was talking about people whose characters, whose natures were not of god, but of the father of sin, and those of the father of light and love.
I have already stated the purpose and the literary mechanism of the metaphor. I don't need to repeat a "Yes it is"/"No it isn't" argument. I think we shall disagree on the interpretation. Shall we agree to disagree?
If you have not the ears to hear the metaphor, then there is no sense in offering to heal the deaf.
Perhaps someday, "Paul;" the scales will fall from your eyes.
"Why dost thou persecuteth me?" | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 6/9/2009 9:05:02 PM | All one has to do is go to www.biblegateway.com and research 'keywords' relating to pre-marital sex and chasity and this will end; the absurd argument!
Alll one has to do is cut and paste the actual biblical verses to join the discussion. I believe the question was;" where can we find it in the bible?" If you want to go there and search it, and bring back the verses; that would be helpful.
Csonka has shown us a precise restriction involving virgins. The question has effectively been answered. | |
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