| | Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?Page 6 of 8 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8) | You can have an iq of a genius but be completely dumb in spiritual matters.
This true. You could also obey the earlier proverb, and simply state it so that you hear your thoughts, yet fail to attempt to understand theirs. Of course there is alway the possibilty that if your throw your pearls before swine, they will trample them underfoot, and then turn to rend you. It is understanding that is the focus of both proverbs, but the second understands the emotional responses of those who fail to understand the completeness of the sayings. If my words cut like a two-edged sword, then I had a good teacher. | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 6/18/2009 3:25:13 PM |
What exactly is there to understand. The divine child was conveived and born out of wedlock, correct?
I all depends on what you are actually trying to understand. When a drama Queen tells you a story, do believe every word? Are you sucked up into the drama? Do you weight the evidence?
What is there to understand?
Hearsay is inadmissible in a court of law. | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 6/24/2009 5:52:59 PM | Matthew 5:32
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
For those wo HAVE NOT thoroughly studied their Bible doesn't the above scripture *IF* it was trully Christ's words wrote by Matthew and also other disciples, point out how wrong that adultery was and the only provision for grounds for adultery; which was generally punnished by death!
Point is, celibacy til the wedding vow was and is a big part of Judaism and adopted by Chritianity; even if many Carnal Christians DO NOT want to take up their cross much of the time!  | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 7/5/2009 5:10:33 PM | We actually had a very interesting discussion on the topic. Too bad you couldn't attend or contribute. Do you suppose everyone should ignore your post as you have ignored theirs? Isn't that what "do unto others means?"
Personally, I think "Do unto Others" applies in the case of pre-marital sex as well. It was one of jesuses highest commandments. | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 7/8/2009 10:23:32 AM | The topic is about documentation within the Bible against Pre-Marital sex.
Why was her Scripture on Fornication seen as off topic? Don't you understand that Fornication is ANY sex outside of marriage except sex within marriage of same sex ties or marriages to animals also applies as fornication.
She did contribute, but others before her were going waaaayyyy out there off topic, was that it, you didn't like her not following the detour others engaged in?
What IF one is a SADIST Or MASOCHIST, how do you justify the 'doing unto others as you would have them do unto you' if they are of the warped traits of those 'isms'?
Let's get back on topic and how about you who believe so strongly in 'FORNICATING' show some scriptures in context, of Pro-Pre-Marital Sex? If you can! | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 7/8/2009 10:33:58 AM | Why was her Scripture on Fornication seen as off topic? Don't you understand that Fornication is ANY sex outside of marriage except sex within marriage of same sex ties or marriages to animals also applies as fornication. .
You might want to read the whole thread instead of cherry-picking. My complaint was not directed at her posting "off-topic." It was the assertion that the word pornea in Greek, had the same definition 2000 years ago. My claim is that she and you are making an "exclusivity of truth" claim on the intended meaning of the word, and aseerting an "exclusivity of truth" claim that the word "fornication" is the correct translation of the word "pornea."
Many people contributed on that discussion, and though not conclusive, agreed that there is a discrepancy in the meaning. You simply preach your own meaning of a word defined in a dictionary that doesn't exist. Ancient Greek died more than a thousand years ago.
Preaching and exclusivity of truth are in violation of the rules. If you would like to join the discussion, be prepared to know of what others on the thread have said. | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 7/8/2009 1:34:38 PM | | I think that anyone who reads all that was said here and still insists that the Bible does not condemn premarital sex is a sinner and in need of salvation. They do not want to know the truth or do what is right. They just want to get laid with someone other than their wife or husband and will say or do anything to justify doing that. God help them. God save them. God deliver them. God have mercy upon them. God stoke their consciences that they might feel guilty and repent and turn from their wicked ways. I am a celibate Christian man and that is all I have to say. Amen. | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 7/8/2009 1:44:20 PM | They just want to get laid with someone other than their wife or husband and will say or do anything to justify doing that. .
How would you know what they want? Are you a mind reader? Did they teach you how at your church? I would like to go to a church that could teach that. You could surely convince the heathens of miracles with those "works." Maybe they want you to know the truth, and liberate you from the lies of the church. More people would pay attention to the "truth" if they knew how to pick out the lies. Sex is a great way to get "MEN" interested in scripture. When you understand the extent of the mistranslation, you might feel differently, but I doubt that anyone of your extremely blindfolded faith based perspective would ever pick up a "heretical" work such as Plato, Socrates, or Aristotle, and consider the word "Porneai" (sp) in its non religious context. You are too busy waxing the brainwash.
They just want to get laid with someone other than their wife or husband and will say or do anything to justify doing that. .
At least they aren't going after the altar boys. (the actual meaning of Porneos, if my translations serve me well) | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 7/13/2009 12:10:08 PM | This should be evident that in the Laws of Moses sex was supposed to be for marriage only:
Exodus 22:16 (New International Reader's Version)
[ Laws About Social Problems ] "Suppose a man meets a virgin who is not engaged. And he talks her into having sex with him. Then he must pay her father the price for a bride. And he must get married to her.
And I'm only being Zealous, NOT stating absolutes but quoting scripture that pertains to the Argument!
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 7/13/2009 5:07:26 PM |
the Laws of Moses sex was supposed to be for marriage only:
Have you read any of the other Laws of Moses, and do you obey those as well?
Shall an iota pass from the law, or do you keep ony the ones which suit you? I could probably find one or two on how to women that you will simply adore. | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 7/13/2009 5:46:24 PM | Oops, how to "treat women."
Suppose a man meets a virgin who is not engaged. And he talks her into having sex with him. Then he must pay her father the price for a bride. And he must get married to her.
By the way, this is the only verse mentioned regarding premarital sex which has any real credibility, and we have discussed it before.
So to recap, if you have sex with a virgin, you should marry her. Are there any virgins out there? In historical context, the laws of Moses made a lot of "common sense." I doubt that many "christian women" appreciate how they fit in today. Suppose you were the girl child sold into slavery? It was your father's right to do so under the Law of Moses. Do you suppose that under the "Inerrant word of God" there might be a few laws that wouldn't treat people as kindly as Jesus suggested? What did he really suggest? Love thy neighbor?
Welcome to my neighborhood. Won't you be my neighbor? Are you my neighbor? Who is my neighbor? So many people just seem to be near dwellers, and ne'er do well. | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 7/14/2009 12:42:11 PM | Evidently in Judaism it was understood the spritual path of Chasity for it's wrote in Ruth the following from her future husband's comments to her:
Ruth 3:10-11 And he said, Blessed be thou of the LORD, my daughter: for thou hast shewed more kindness in the latter end than at the beginning, inasmuch as thou followedst not young men, whether poor or rich. And now, my daughter, fear not; I will do to thee all that thou requirest: for all the city of my people doth know that thou art a virtuous woman.
This DOES NOT glorify any promiscuios behavior *IF* this is one of the precepts within Judaism! | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 7/14/2009 7:17:24 PM | This DOES NOT glorify any promiscuios behavior *IF* this is one of the precepts within Judaism
Nor does it mention chastity, but you can surely create the illusion, or make an assumption that it does. You play tricks on your own mind. I will read the actual text. "Following after young men" could mean going to war, just as easily as it could mean promiscuity. If you want to show something, how about showing us direct references, and not beating around a bush? That is the problem with many preachers. They put the cart before the horse, and tell you that the verse means something before they quote it; whereas this simple direct quotation of Jesus pertains exactly to the same action of the typical preacher:"Beware the leaven of the Pharisees."
Jesus specifically tells you not to look at the making of bread, but to look for the curruption in the "verse" and "law," and to ignore or "beware" the speaker if they exceed the textual reference. Since the "textual" reference has been corrupted by 2000 years of poor translation, it is pretty easy to ignore the whole thing. You must become the "living word" and forsake the dead(word). To become the living word, you must learn the parables, riddles, and stories which Jesus spoke, and ignore the "embellishments" of the Preachers.
While Chastity is indeed a virtue, it is not the entirety of virtue. For a young girl to believe that she can reach the Noble stature of Ruth by simply remaining chaste is almost heresy. To "dumb down" the verse to that level creates allowances and pressures for gender bias. Virtue is something everyone shoud strive for, and mere chastity is no substitute. | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 7/15/2009 4:27:25 PM | Women went to war, as you say it possibly could mean that! REALLY I doubt there were any Zena, Warrior Princesses as the feminists would love. Where did you find the documentation for such a hypothesis that Ruth may have went to war?
Something tells me you don't know how men went to war in those days. A troupe of women followed behind. The "rich young men" led, and the poor took orders, but the strong young men of the poor sought their fortunes with their strength at their young ages. They weren't a bunch of softies like the 'gamers' of today.
Stories make more sense when held within their contemporaneous references. The young men were more likely seeking glory on the battelfield than in a whore's tent. Yet I alone shall battle the heathen trolls for you my fair maiden. I shall stand and defend your honor from the wicked Atheists in this land of meager fishes. We shall truly see the nature of Ruth when I reveal the secret of the text. The land shall rejoice in the knowledge of THE LORD, and shun the worshippers of Ba'al forever more!
I might be a little agressive, but I am not Ruth-less. | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 7/15/2009 5:07:28 PM | Ruth, Chapter 1
"Elimelech, Naomi's husband, died, and she and her two sons were left.
These married Moabite women: one was called Orpah and the other Ruth. They lived there for about ten years. "
Ruth was married for ten years at the opening of the first chapter. Do we assume that her vows were never consecrated? I am sorry, we can't assume that. Without consecration, there is no "right of redemption."
Chapter 2
"Ruth the Moabitess said to Naomi, 'Let me go into the fields and glean ears of corn in the footsteps of some man who will look on me with favour.' She replied, 'Go, daughter.'
Wonder what favor she was seeking?
She was to be married in a few more verses. Do you think she just layed at his feet under the cloak before he sent her away? Hmmm?
Is it ok then, that I should just have women who lay under my cloak? Is this how they set an example of Chastity? Can I join your church? | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 7/17/2009 1:44:21 PM | Sex did not happen according to scripture that night.
Like I said. She laid "under his cloak" not just at his feet. I think you misinterpret the meaning, but I might have to ask a Rabbi, or Scorpio in his place.
Anyway, I still want to join the Church where laying under my cloak is a symbol of a young ladies chastity. I might even give her a few sacks of flour to lug home to mama.
The whole story kind of reminds me of my wife. She laid under my cloak one night, and we rarely parted for some time after that. I gave her a few sacks of flour, and then she "went to God." | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 7/28/2009 8:43:44 PM |
So to recap, if you have sex with a virgin, you should marry her. Are there any virgins out there?
 never married.
If a father sold his child, his child would have a place with some one who had enough to buy her/him. Times were hard and there was no reliable birth control. Israel did not do child sacrifice so the kid could not be given to one of the "gods" like yellow black and olive kids, they could not be given to the woods or the winds like white and red kids were. What do you do with the extras? Remember that most slaves came to the door of the house they wanted to be the slave to and asked to be a slave please and pierced their ear by stabbing it into the door post of the house they want to be slaves in. If you were a female would you rather be in a country were you could own property, get educated, expect justice, like a woman in Isreal or a place were you could be raped anytime day or night beaten in pubic or killed for the fun of the ruler or idol as was common in the rest of the world. Egypt had some protections for women and a few other tribes.
Back to the topic
Sex is for a husband and his wife as long as they both live. Any other sex is not constructive it is destructive and may cause death. HPV, HIV, AIDS, vHep, GW, TSS....to name a few. The wage of sin is death. If people did not have sex outside of marriage none of the afore mention sicknesses would be. TSS comes from objects Ashtorth worship is believed by some to have morphed the virus into the present deadly form. | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 7/30/2009 12:56:55 AM | haha.. sooo kissmekindsir and lovinvixen are you telling me the two of you are actually virgins??? I find that very hard to believe.. especially having talked to both of you before.
If you are, then you are indeed a very rare and genuine catch for any man.
I've only known two virgins over 26.. One was over 300lbs and the other was absolutely georgous, but a very, very dedicated Christian.
I guess I'm asking you both outright, are you virgins? | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 7/31/2009 1:52:22 AM | I re-read the actual title of the thread, what is meant by the word "resticted", rather than prohibited?
I guess that means pre-maritalsex is resticted to people that aren't married.
But since King Solomon supposedly had 700 wives & 300 concubines then pre-marital sex among other peole probably balanced out.
And if pre-maritalsex is a big no-no, who married Adam & Eve? If God did, who were the witnesses? | |
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