| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 8/4/2009 7:36:24 PM | | sex = marriage in the bible as well. it is a lifelong spiritual bond in itself, whether you want it to be or not. that it one reason. it should be in love and commitment. sin is why Christ died. Solomon was not to do what he did as well, sigh, not all the people in the Bible were perfect by any means, nor are we. God is:). | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 8/5/2009 11:42:52 AM |
it says fornication is a sin repeatedly. look up fornication. it means sex outside of marriage, and always has. there is much more to point to this, but case closed.
Case closed? I don't remember anyone apointing you judge ( judge not lest ye be judged)...
Here's the dictionary definition:
fornication /ˌfɔrnɪˈkeɪʃən/
–noun 1. voluntary sexual intercourse between two unmarried persons or two persons not married to each other.
2. Bible. idolatry.
So by that definition ( voluntary sexual intercourse) I guess oral and anal sex are OK between unmarried persons. | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 8/5/2009 2:20:46 PM | Not just any man, there are many males whom are the sons of tramps in the good ole U.S.A., but the facts of so many legalizing brothels tells us all how many men there really are!
Praise God the more righteous and dignified beat us in Naum, and soon Armagadeon will give a bitter taste to the sons of blatant whores on this continent whom do not seem to even get it!
Prostitution doesn't run rampant in Asia and those of Islam; they unlike our meagar males beleive in something!   | |
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Posted: 8/6/2009 6:49:48 AM | | My question for you seriouslyfunnylady.Someone brought this to my attention yesterday and it made sense.You don't want to marry anyone aleast you know sex is going to be good with that person and if you dont have sex with that person until after marriage and it's not good than your just stuck.I've always wondered about that.What's your opion? | |
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Posted: 8/7/2009 12:09:01 PM | As all my female relatives say 'good sexuality comes from a positive relationship that keeps building.......the rest is learned and communicted to the other, sex that is'. Most of the time our genitals work with the other, but 'good sex' as you say is WAYYY TOOOO emphasized in that everything else in the marriage may be going wrong and who is stupid enough to think sex alone will keep two together.
The trouble I have with most from Hugh Hefner's crazy state and the state I live in that has the audacity to legalize brothels is most males don't have a clue how to communicate, they just look for a Barbie doll to poke.....Really Losers you know! | |
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Posted: 8/8/2009 11:45:57 PM |
and the state I live in that has the audacity to legalize brothels is most males don't have a clue how to communicate, they just look for a Barbie doll to poke.....Really Losers you know!
What, they only legalized brothels that employ women to "service" men? Is it still illegal to have brothels with men employees there to "service" women? That'd be a very sexist law.
And what about women that want a woman brothel employee to service them?
... or are you suggesting that women don't occasionally want some no strings attached sex ?? | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 8/9/2009 6:02:47 AM |
prostitution and premarital sex the first is sex for money at the man's request/ often times he pays for dinner and expects that to include sex--therefore-- some men assume it is one and the same.
I guess oral and anal sex are OK between unmarried persons and I guess, like Bill Clinton, some people don't think something done for sexual gratification is sex unless it includes vaginal penetration. --go figure. | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 8/9/2009 8:00:40 AM |
the first is sex for money at the man's request
Or at the woman's request; women aren't all pure innocent creatures that become corrupted by a man's influence... there are also women that use the services of male prostitutes.
I guess oral and anal sex are OK between unmarried persons
and I guess, like Bill Clinton, some people don't think something done for sexual gratification is sex unless it includes vaginal penetration. --go figure.
The post you're quoting was in response to heartofsnow's post to "look up the definitionof fornication". I did, and posted the definition here...the definition doesn't cover anal & oral sex, which was my point. As to Bill Clinton, since he had to keep what he did a secret from Hillary, it was automatically cheating on her, whatever occured in the office.
So going by your post, is maturbation wrong as well? | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 8/9/2009 8:08:06 AM | ^^I don't define what is right or wrong for another person nor do I try to be the moral compass for other people. I do well to keep up with me.
I was simply responding to people defining sex only as copulation. My interpertation is that anything done between two adults that results in sexual gratification is sex. Aren't the physical feelings the same? Isn't the end result the same? Just my take on it. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2009 5:49:26 AM |
or are you suggesting that women don't occasionally want some no strings attached sex ??
According to scripture such females are defined as WHORES or HARLOTS period whether one likes the terms or not! [/quote}
Oh? Well, I'm not an expert on the Bible, but if the women were not receiving payment for the sex, they wouldn't be "whores" so in such cases the bible would be wrong.
What does the Bible call males with that attitude? Or are the men not given such classifications because the bible was written by men? | |
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Posted: 8/10/2009 11:52:58 AM | Whoremonger by most Biblical students refers to a man having sex outside of marriage:
http://www.bible.com/bibleanswers_result.php?id=256
Thease scriptures from the King James Version identify WHOREMONGERS as contrary to God's will; According to the Bible:
Ephesians 5:5
For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Ephesians 5:4-6 (in Context) Ephesians 5 (Whole Chapter)
1 Timothy 1:10
For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
1 Timothy 1:9-11 (in Context) 1 Timothy 1 (Whole Chapter)
Hebrews 13:4
Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
Hebrews 13:3-5 (in Context) Hebrews 13 (Whole Chapter)
Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Revelation 21:7-9 (in Context) Revelation 21 (Whole Chapter)
Revelation 22:15
For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Revelation 22:14-16 (in Context) Revelation 22 (Whole Chapter)
See also this site:
http://www.righteouswarriors.com/controversial/article10.html
See also this website on WHOREMONGER, notice in #8 WHORE is Biblically defined as NOT nessasarily a PROSTITUTE but sex outside of marriage; yep unfaithful wives are whores as unfaithful husbands are WHOREMONGERS by some definitions:
http://jesus-messiah.com/html/fornication-meaning.html
Again NOT passing Judgment yet making a judgment as the Savior commanded Christians to do on this subject!  | |
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Posted: 8/10/2009 9:14:08 PM |
making a judgment as the Savior commanded Christians to do on this subject
Didn't he say "judge not lest ye be judged" and "let he who is without sin cast the 1st stone" ? | |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 7:46:35 AM | As this does pertain to the debate in that we are making judgments about whether Pre-marital sex is scripturally wrong, I list a few scriptures according to the New Testament that are PRO Judge or rather making judgments since the apparent superficial have missed this or rather choose to twist the scriptures for their ungodly agenda!
So many like to edit the Bible and exclude scriptures they would rather NOT hear nor do they care to follow!
John 5:30
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
John 8:26
I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
John 8:50
And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.
John 12:48
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Acts 4:19
But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye.
Acts 7:7
And the nation to whom they shall be in bondage will I judge, said God: and after that shall they come forth, and serve me in this place.
Acts 13:20
And after that he gave unto them judges about the space of four hundred and fifty years, until Samuel the prophet.
Acts 13:46
Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
Acts 16:15
And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us.
Acts 17:31
Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Revelation 18:8
Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
Matthew 12:18
Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.
Matthew 12:20
A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.
Matthew 12:36
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Matthew 12:41
The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
Matthew 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
John 5:22
For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
John 5:27
And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
John 5:30
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
John 8:16
And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
AND....there are many more scriptures regarding positive usage of JUDGING that I have omitted. It is my judgment that many like various denominations highlight what they would like to emphasize while omitting like crossing out scripture with a black magic marker of that which they care NOT to follow. And on this Pre-Marital Sex issue is that exactly what many Carnal Christiand do so often and what is their fate at the end of this life for not following their Lord's precepts and teachings? | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 8/20/2009 10:05:41 AM | This awkward subject must decide everybody for itself.
Badly will always search for me with the authors of clerical treatises, well knowingly that those, which preach the abstinence instead of normal-sexual relations punishable contacts with protective-ordered. The sexual infringements are nowhere more frequent than in catholic. Dioceses worldwide. | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 8/20/2009 10:21:35 AM | In the old testament, a man having sex with a woman makes that woman his wife. The laws in Deuteronomy 22 and 24 are based off of that way of thinking.
Our thoughts on premarital sex are not based on that. The current society bases marriage on the legal system. That is where we get the concept of ‘premarital sex’; which is not biblical.
I agree with the bible. If a man takes a woman and does not keep her as his wife, he has made her unclean, and he will suffer the consequences of that sin. | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 8/21/2009 3:45:05 PM | Every culture on Earth has had their own morality based upon myths and tradition usually. What we are concerned with via this topic are the sanctions against pre-marital sex from both Hebrew and Christian documents, namely the Bible.
As the USA is NOT a Christian country when it comes to sexuality most of the time when one meets a suitor you do not nessasarily know where they are coming from! | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 8/23/2009 12:34:50 AM | ummm... IMHO>>>>doesn't the christain tenent state we are all a bunch of worthless sinning losers... not just the adulters and whores and whore mongers or sexually immoral. In this nation state and global state of affairs it seems that we might focus a little less on "sin" which IMO wasn't intended as a battering ram for judgement and legalism to run our lives but a way to gauge whether we were missing the mark for individual introspection. Jesus said the way was inside of each of us-- not go check with your neighbor and see what he says and be convicted by your neighbor's heart. and fight amongst yourselves however he did predict that he would bring this kind of strife.... and B...S..
It actually says in the bible that all is permissible but all may not be the best for you... if it wasn't 3:30 in the morining I would look up the the biblical passages but not into it right now. night all... | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 8/23/2009 7:04:13 PM |
As the USA is NOT a Christian country when it comes to sexuality most of the time when one meets a suitor you do not nessasarily know where they are coming from!
This is still a Christian country. We have turned from God. We have taken God out of our basis for law, we have taken God out of our basis for school, and we have taken God out of our basis for marriage.
As far as suitors go, don’t have sex until you do know where they are coming from.
I believe that being a Christian comes from within. We as individuals must take responsibility for our own decisions.
Look at sex as marriage, and govern your pre and post decision making based on that concept. That way you wont have to worry about premarital. | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 8/24/2009 4:41:49 PM |
No...NO... and DOUBLE-KNOW, ...this was never a Christian country *IF* you devotedly study the documents!
Yes…YES…. And Yeppers. Most of the original documents created by the original folk of the United States do refer to thanks to and guidance from God. Read them, there are plenty of them.
The biggest problem that the founding fathers dealt with was creating a nation that was not led by one sect of Christianity. i.e. the separation of church and state, meant to declare that no one Christian church should claim governmental authority over the others.
If fact, while writing the original papers, they looked to the bible first, that way they could create a Christian nation without the religious authority that England and most of Europe had. It was a long process and there was a lot of debate, but I think that they did rather well.
The Treaty of Tripoli was not written by our government, or in english, in fact, it was already set in place before it reached congress, and it was working. It is not sufficient evidence, for or against, our nations values. You have been listening to obama, a muslim, a politician, and a man who has proven himself a liar and a failure in office. He is not what this country stands for.
... and that evidence keeps this topic in many people's mind as many want to do the right thing!
The right thing is to control your sexual drive, and not let it control you. God intended a lifelong one man one woman bond. The two becoming one, and how you treat the other is how you treat yourself.
And if you do remember, David was punished for his affair with Bathsheba. | |
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