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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 8/25/2009 9:45:12 PM |
Perhaps you don't understand what scoundrels the founding fathers actually were.
So you are saying that nothing has really changed. I will agree with that. I am saying that what they did, while attempting to build a foundation of a new country, was procedurally proper, for the most part.
They were Christians, and they did look to the bible for guidance on how to proceed with what they were doing.
If you go into a church today, there are plenty of adulterers, plenty of Sunday morning Christians, liars, cheaters, and rapists that no one prosecuted. Man has not changed. But in that there are some good people, male and female, that do believe in what they know to be true.
As far as polygamy in the bible, I think that a man can have more than one wife, but I would not recommend it. If the population were 7 women to 1 man, it would be understandable. David had something like 200 wives, but punished for his affair with Bathsheba. Overall, I believe that it was meant to be one man with one woman.
As far as all men being created equal, I don’t believe that all men are, so I am not going to argue against it being a lie. | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 9/3/2009 10:04:23 PM | When will everyone realize we who call ourselves Christians are just like the Jews of
the New Testament?
Sadducees: - noun
Sadducees, sect of Jews formed around the time of the Hasmonean revolt (c.200 B.C.). Little is known concerning their beliefs, but according to Josephus Flavius, they upheld only the authority of the written law, and not the oral tradition held by the Pharisees. They are believed to have had a small following, drawn primarily from the upper classes. Eventually, they reached an accommodation with the Pharisees, which allowed them to serve as priests in exchange for acceptance of Pharasitical rulings regarding the law. Their sect was centered on the cult of the Temple, and they ceased to exist after its destruction in A.D. 70.
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Pharisees: - noun
Pharisees, one of the two great Jewish religious and political parties of the second commonwealth. Their opponents were the Sadducees, and it appears that the Sadducees gave them their name, perushim, Hebrew for "separatists" or "deviants." The Pharisees began their activities during or after the Hasmonean revolt (c.166-142 B.C.). The Pharisees upheld an interpretation of Judaism that was in opposition to the priestly Temple cult. They stressed faith in the one God; the divine revelation of the law both written and oral handed down by Moses through Joshua, the elders, and the prophets to the Pharisees; and eternal life and resurrection for those who keep the law. Pharisees insisted on the strict observance of Jewish law, which they began to codify. While in agreement on the broad outlines of Jewish law, the Pharisees encouraged debate on its fine points, and according to one view, practiced the tradition of zuggot, or pairs of scholars with opposing views. They developed the synagogue as an alternative place of worship to the Temple, with a liturgy consisting of biblical and prophetic readings, and the repetition of the shma, the basic creed of Judaism. In addition, they supported the separation of the worldly and the spiritual spheres, ceding the former to the secular rulers. Though some supported the revolt against Rome in A.D. 70, most did not. One Pharisee was Yohanan ben Zakkai, who fled to Jamnia, where he was instrumental in developing post-Temple Judaism. By separating Judaism from dependence on the Temple cult, and by stressing the direct relation between the individual and God, the Pharisees laid the groundwork for normative rabbinic Judaism. Their influence on Christianity was substantial as well, despite the passages in the New Testament which label the Pharisees "hypocrites" or "offspring of the vipers." St. Paul was originally a Pharisee. After the fall of the Temple (A.D. 70), the Pharisees became the dominant party until c.135.
So Which ONE are you?????? 
JC did not like either group - they were all hypocrites - if any one did what Christ asked the world would be a much better place. Of course if JC was here today - we would kill him just like the last time - that's why the 2nd coming - he won't let us.
To answer the question - is Pre Marital Sex a Sin - yes it is a Sin - but you would not go to Hell for doing it!!!!! Like eating Shellfish, bottom dwellers, Kosher Food, and issue of Alternative Lifestylist.
Get real people - nothing is new since the days of the Roman Empire - except Electricity for the most part. People and their Alternative Lifestyles have not changed, people also have eaten the same stuff as 2000 years ago.
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 9/5/2009 5:57:55 PM |
but please do not blaspheme the Bible and tell the lie that this was ever a trully Christian nation!
But under the Articles of Confederation from 1782-1789 each Nation-State had it's own State Church....
Under the US Constitution of 1789 it was set up not to favor any Christian Church over any other - Jefferson won with no religion having rights over any other.
that being religious desention from the Early corupt Church!
I take stand against that remark - I am an Episcopalian - yes the Church of England has its problems and so does the Episcopal Church - but we are not corrupted than any other church.
If you want to split hairs the Episcopalians, Methodists are the Church of England and the Presbyterians are the Church of Scotland - all of which were split from their Mother Churches in 1776.
But this is about Premartial Sex - I still say it is a SIN, but not a sentence to Hell by any means....
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 9/6/2009 3:44:25 PM | *IF* one trully and studiously studies the Bible for a lifetime they will see that not only was the Original Church corrupted in time but all, Did I say All, of the original denominations in the colonies were way out there on tangents; in other words Heredical and Blasphemous of the Scriptures!
And Jefferson DID NOT beleive in Christ, thought it was a SCAM; yet wrote his own feralized Bible! What a pervert!
Speaking on the wrongs of Biblical Pre-Marital Sex, you do know of the SHAKERS who beleived in total abstinence of sexuality and adopted Children until the govt. made laws forbidding it do you not? Yet the made whiskey and Opium and supported their movement from the proceeds.
And then you do know how off the wall, many a century ago were about sexuality (based upon East Coast tradition) contrasted to America today as evidenced by Holly-Weird's emphasis on NO morals regarding sexuality!
We've gone from one perversion to the other side of the pendulum! | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 9/6/2009 9:27:24 PM |
Original Church corrupted in time but all, Did I say All
The Roman Catholic Church in Western Europe and Church of England (Anglican) created most of the denominations (Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists, Baptists, Reformed, Evangelicals) No Church not corrupted - the Evangelicals who claim in Might is Right, and We are Bible based - so what - they are all human institutions and corrupted.
SHAKERS who beleived in total abstinence of sexuality and adopted Children until the govt. made laws forbidding it do you not?
Yeah, they also made furniture that's worth a fortune. The reason they were forbidden to adopt was the indoctrinated Life Long Abstenance, and they couldn't force anyone to be Abstanant for Life - that's exactly the reason there are no Shakers left...
Holly-Weird's emphasis on NO morals regarding sexuality!
This is the idea of the TALL, DARK and HANDSOME and the mythic "REAL MAN" which leads to look for pure NSA sex and no Morals, or Marriage - degrading everyone to Animal life . The Idea the Bad Boy with several steady lovers is the only way to go.
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 9/9/2009 3:55:38 PM | That is about it, you hit a lot of what we have become
Like I get these dudes that either appear as DEAF as they can't seem to read a profile and assimulate what a girl is saying, ALL OF THE TIME!
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These dudes who act as if their family was breeding 'tramps' just keep hounding many girls I'm sure with no regard for who they are nor what they have said!
I mean just listen to most of the comments via this thread; most dudes have 'no clue' about what the Bible teaches about sexuality!
A REAL SHAME UPON THEIR PARENTAGE IF THEY LIST ANY CHRISTIAN RELIGION ON THEIR PROFILE DON'T YOU THINK? | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 9/9/2009 4:24:49 PM |
A REAL SHAME UPON THEIR PARENTAGE IF THEY LIST ANY CHRISTIAN RELIGION ON THEIR PROFILE DON'T YOU THINK?
Well, they don't go to church, or read the bible in any form - NOT COOL.....
They aren't Christians they are Agnostics at best or even Nihilist......
I'm thinking Nihilists...
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 9/10/2009 10:31:42 AM |
most dudes have 'no clue' about what the Bible teaches about sexuality!
Are you surprised? People are children in the eyes of God. That goes for men and women. Even Jesus referred to Man as sheep. Without a shepherd, people wander, while thinking that everything is ok, and are ignorant to the consequences that our choices will bring upon us.
Premarital sex is a man made concept, and was made according to man made laws. According to God, Sex is marriage. When you read the bible, understand that Gods laws, and the situations that are presented, were written with the understanding that sex and marriage are the same thing. Sex unites two physical bodies, and the act unites two souls. I don’t care if people think that there is such a thing as no strings attached sex, it does not exist. If you break the sanctity of marriage, that sexual and soulful union, then you are breaking the laws that God has given to us.
Reread the parts of the bible that you think contradicts that concept; it is not there. Better yet, reread the bible with that concept.
I am not deaf. I understand what you are trying to do, and it is a good thing. There are way too many people that are tarnishing their own lives before they even graduate high school, and they blow it off with a live and learn excuse. Some even think that it is beneficial with the ‘what doesn’t kill me makes me stronger’ concept. Those are both copouts that people use to make themselves feel better about them selves. You can lie to yourself, but you cannot lie to God. | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 9/10/2009 1:56:43 PM | And that is why on this continent we are so fortunate. We have the right and resources to study the Bible. Many in the Earlier centurys of Christianity had not the 66 books to study from; only various teachers and preachers.
It's a crying shame so many who wear the label of Christian have little concept of what it means to be one; for they are toooooo lazy to read the documents they claim to follow about their so-called Lord!
I mean If I belong to any group shouldn't I understand it's veiwpoints and Values?
Strange so many will not go with Christ after this life because of their sexual lifestyle according to John in Revelation! | |
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 9/10/2009 5:33:32 PM |
Many in the Earlier centurys of Christianity had not the 66 books to study from; only various teachers and preachers.
You must be a true Reformed Protestant? 66 Books - you know who set those 66 books as the Protestant Canon? The Archbishop of Canterbury - in 1870 he set aside the Apocrypha - as a separate book to be USED also - only Reformed Christians threw them out and forgot about them. You actually need a copy of that book too......
It's a crying shame so many who wear the label of Christian have little concept of what it means to be one;
Well the term Christian is a bad word these days - a lot of that comes from Backward thinking and Self Centeredness of the Evangelical movement. People flock to these Churches because Organized Religion is Satan - funny if you are going to any Church doesn't that void your claim? You then are a smaller Organized Religion.
Strange so many will not go with Christ after this life because of their sexual lifestyle
I equate them to the Lepers in the Bible - the Phariseeses, Sadduceses, and Essenes all ignored them and cast them out of the fold - only Jesus had compassion for them. In that case all Christians have devolved into the Phariseeses, Sadduceses, and Essenes and we will all be called Hypocrits.....
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| Where does it say - in the Bible - that pre-marital sex is restricted?
Posted: 10/28/2009 2:28:16 PM | There is no Hebrew or Greek word used in the Bible that precisely refers to sex before marriage. The Bible undeniably condemns adultery and sexual immorality, but is sex before marriage considered sexually immoral? According to 1 Corinthians 7:2, “yes” is the clear answer: “But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.” In this verse, Paul states that marriage is the “cure” for sexual immorality. First Corinthians 7:2 is essentially saying that, because people cannot control themselves and so many are having immoral sex outside of marriage, people should get married. Then they can fulfill their passions in a moral way.
Since 1 Corinthians 7:2 clearly includes sex before marriage in the definition of sexual immorality, all of the Bible verses that condemn sexual immorality as being sinful also condemn sex before marriage as sinful. Sex before marriage is included in the biblical definition of sexual immorality. There are numerous Scriptures that declare sex before marriage to be a sin (Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 5:1; 6:13, 18; 10:8; 2 Corinthians 12:21; Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3; Colossians 3:5; 1 Thessalonians 4:3; Jude 7). The Bible promotes complete abstinence before marriage. Sex between a husband and his wife is the only form of sexual relations of which God approves (Hebrews 13:4).
Far too often we focus on the “recreation” aspect of sex without recognizing that there is another aspect—procreation. Sex within marriage is pleasurable, and God designed it that way. God wants men and women to enjoy sexual activity within the confines of marriage. Song of Solomon and several other Bible passages (such as Proverbs 5:19) clearly describe the pleasure of sex. However, the couple must understand that God’s intent for sex includes producing children. Thus, for a couple to engage in sex before marriage is doubly wrong—they are enjoying pleasures not intended for them, and they are taking a chance of creating a human life outside of the family structure God intended for every child.
While practicality does not determine right from wrong, if the Bible's message on sex before marriage were obeyed, there would be far fewer sexually transmitted diseases, far fewer abortions, far fewer unwed mothers and unwanted pregnancies, and far fewer children growing up without both parents in their lives. Abstinence is God’s only policy when it comes to sex before marriage. Abstinence saves lives, protects babies, gives sexual relations the proper value, and, most importantly, honors God. | |
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